Re: Formatting for USA Telephone Numbers

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On 25/02/2022 19:58, Alan B wrote:

Correction
After applying the recommended format, (###) ###-, and entering
1234567890 the displayed value will be (123) 456-7890.


Your original question was asking about +1 (###) ###-, not (###) 
###-.


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Re: Suggestion

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On 2020/06/18 05:27, Piet Fox wrote:
> In MS Word there is a shortcut to insert these Characters while typing. The
> shortcut is "ctrl" and "shift" and "Special Character" together and after
> releasing the keys you can type the "e" and it would insert the Special
> Character automatically.
> Can you please add this shortcut to your wonderful program.

Autocorrect.
I don't know if it is/was publicly distributed, but there was an
Afrikaans autocorrect that had a number of Afrikaans words, written
without the diacritic marks, that would automatically correct
themselves. Possibly the most usefully was the " n " that was
automatically replaced by " ʼn ".

Along those lines, I also saw a proposal for South African place names
to be added. Type in the old name, and it replaced it with the new name,
and in parenthesis had "formerly place-name". I don't know if that
proposal was ever implemented.

Nando's #RightMyName has yet to make it to Apache OpenOffice.

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Re: open office writer

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On 5/16/20 12:57 PM, p s wrote:
> All i want is open office calc. I want to delete writer and all its' bits and 
> I do not want my files deleted. (most of which have been "grabbed" by 
> "WRITER".

Apache Open Office is works program.  This means that Calc, Writer,
Draw, Impress, and Math are built into it, and removing one component
would remove functionality from all components.

> It is invasive. It has swallowed word pad. I like working with word pad.

If Apache Open Office opens files that you would prefer to have opened
by WordPad, then reconfigure the operating system to do that.

> Can you also tell me why it is so damn hard to get through to you people?

Apache Open Office offers official support via a web forum
(https://forum.openoffice.org) and a mailing list (
users@openoffice.apache.org). Support via IRC, Telegram, and similar
channels of communication is available, albeit as unofficial support.
These are the standard Tier Zero support channels.

> Just stick some people on the phone and let them ( the experts) direct an 
> inquiry of whatever kind.

If you want phone support, then you need to purchase phone support from
a third party vendor. A list of vendors providing professional support
can be found at https://www.openoffice.org/bizdev/consultants.html

Phone support is a Tier One support channel, which, for most products
and services, requires one to specifically purchase.

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Re: Spell check - text documents

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On 10/10/18 9:51 PM, brmstk wrote:
> What’s wrong? Thanks for your help.

What language are you writing your document in?
What language does AOo think that your document is in.

Odds are, you are writing your document in one language, and telling
LibO that it is written in a different language.


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Re: Password-locked document

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On 2018-08-26 6:57 a.m., 許哲崇 wrote:

> I suggest you rewrite the document before you pay the expert.

Once upon a time there was a Python script that would brute force OOo
documents that had been password protected. It worked on both the old
and new encryption modules.

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Re: open office license

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On 2018-08-17 4:20 p.m., JD wrote:

> No one EVER asks anyone or any commercial entity for their license to use 
> OpenOffice.

Can I introduce you to _The Software Alliance_?

If they decide to audit your organization, you absolutely have to prove
beyond any shadow of doubt that your copy of Apache OpenOffice was
legally obtained, and your usage of it is in accordance with the
license.(^1)

FWIW, that ">About >Help >License" states that any organization may
freely use it, does not satisfy their requirement that the organization
legally obtained the program.

^1: I _think_ it was the BSA that produced a report alleging how one can
infringe _The Apache License_ and _The GNU General Public License_ as a
user. I lost my copy with a hard drive failure, and no backups. (I was
backing up that drive, when it failed.)

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Re: open office license

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On 2018-08-17 3:05 p.m., 許耀彰 wrote:

> Would it be possible to install openoffice in commercial place? Is there
> license agreement which we can follow and check ? Thanks a lot.

In Apache Open Office
">Help >About >License".

I won't quote everything here, but the substantive part for your
question is:

<<
Is OpenOffice really free for any user?
--

OpenOffice is free for use by everybody. You may take this copy of
OpenOffice and install it on as many computers as you like, and use it
for any purpose you like (including commercial, government, public
administration and educational use). For further details see the license
text delivered together with OpenOffice or
http://www.openoffice.org/license.html >>

#

My personal recommendation is to have a solicitor review
* the license of all of the software that is used by the organization,
to ensure that:
** all software is used with the appropriate license;
** each license is adhered to;
* the hardware, software, and related IT contracts the organization has
made, to ensure that:
** all software is either covered, or known to be deliberately excluded;
** all hardware is either covered, or known to be deliberately excluded;
** all IT contracts are clearly defined in terms of scope, cost, and
duration;
* all warranties provided with hardware, software, or services obtained
by the organization to ensure that the hardware, software, or service
usage complies with the warranty requirements.

In the United States, it is not uncommon that:
* installation of unapproved software terminates a software support
contract (^1);
* installation of unapproved hardware terminates a hardware support
contract;
* installation of third party hardware voids the hardware warranty;
* installation of third party software voids the hardware warranty;
* installation of unapproved hardware voids the hardware warranty;
* installation of unapproced software voids the hardware warranty;



^1: As oft as not, payment for support services yet to be rendered, is
still required. In rare instances, an early termination fee can be
substituted. (I'm aware of one organization that had both an early
termination fee, and required payment for future services not rendered,
to be paid in full.)

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Re: enquiry about font license coverage

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On 20/07/18 10:17 AM, Rebecca Martin wrote:
> I am using open office to write my book which I intend to self publish in 
> print form. I am using the font segoe print 
...
> Can you let me know if I am ok to proceed with printing my book,

Segoe appears to be distributed by Microsoft, INC. As such, you'd have
to contact them, for a copy of the terms and conditions relating to
licensing the font for use in commercially distributed material, for
both digital and hard copy formats.

Neither Apache Open Office nor The Apache Foundation have anything to do
with distribution with that font, and as such, are unable to provide
advice about either the legality, or usability of that font.

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Re: Incomplete/Incorrect Template Name is Shown via Use of Splash Screen

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On 05/28/2018 02:50 PM, Vince wrote:
> No, I did not use File | Save As.  Perhaps I have misspoken, made a typo
> or experienced an unwarranted PC auto fill.   I used File | Templates> |
> Save ... while having the revised (blank numerical data) file opened; to
> place the new template into AOO's template folder, (%AppData%). I chose
> to name the newly created template: IRS Income Tax CalculationsTEMPLATE
> (no space between Calculations and TEMPLATE).


What name is in the ODT file?

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Re: copy and paste and now language is in Japanese

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On 05/14/2018 10:25 PM, Howard Blum wrote:

> 学習するのが最も簡単な言語ではありません

Really ‽‽‽
Five writing systems:
* Hiraganal
* Katakana;
* Kanji;
* Romaji;
* Emoji;
* Hentaigana: Archaic - Used mainly in high end food establishements;
* Arabic Numerals: Arguably not a writing system, per se;

Not to forget that both:
* Jukujikun: What the word means;
* Ateji: How to pronounce the word;
are a standard part of words.

And just to confuse one, documents are either:
* Tategaki: Top to bottom, right to left, right page to left page;
* Yokogaki: Right to left, top to bottom, left page to right page;

Sacrificial raw material, indeed.


More seriously, I doubt that copy and paste translates the material into
Japanese.  If it did, I'd consider that to be an unadvertised feature.

My initial set of questions is:
* What is the material being copied from;
* What platform was the copying done on;
* How was the material copied;
* What code page did the original document use;
* What code page is AOo configured for;
* What writing systems in AOo configured for;
* What writing system was the original document in;

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Re: Resetting Password

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On 05/15/2018 02:39 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

> Isn't it likely that - after a little over four years 

Maybe it just popped in their inbox, and they didn't notice the date?

About three years ago, I received a response to an email I had sent a
decade earlier. My original message had been trapped in limbo for that
decade.

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Re: Office Suite 2018 Premium Edition

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On 03/20/2018 09:01 AM, zahra a wrote:

> but other office programs are closed source and you have not

The specific program in question, _Office Suite 2018 Premium Edition_ is
based upon Apache Open Office. Furthermore, it claims "Unlimited license
for private and business use - registration not required"

###

Mike wrote:

>What is the difference?

Going purely by the product claims on Amazon, the differences are:
* Is on a DVD;
* Is Apache Open Office 4.1.3;
* Includes 20,000 pictures;
* Includes 1,000 fonts;

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Re: Open Office Suite for Mac ?

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On 03/15/2018 10:24 PM, Adriana Claunch wrote:

>and APA 5th & 6th Edition?

https://extensions.libreoffice.org/templates/apa-6th-edition claims to
be a template that adheres to _The APA Manual of Style, 6th Edition_.

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Re: [AOO-Templates]

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On 03/12/2018 05:27 PM, DAMMI TIME wrote:

> I am having a challenging time utilizing the templates to download and 
> creating a log in 

Can you rephrase you issue/problem/question?

Neither downloading, nor using the templates distributed at
https://templates.openoffice.org/ requires any type of registration or
login.

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Re: need older version

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On 03/09/2018 12:44 AM, Diana Ashley PhD wrote:
> I currently run Open Office 4.1.1 and don’t want to overwrite it.

Copy the files to a different directory before opening them.

The current version of AOo should open them correctly.

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Re: templates

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On 02/27/2018 11:21 AM, K Hollywood wrote:

> Wondering if there's a Preview feature you can create 

When searching for templates, a thumbnail is displayed to the left.
When opening the page that the template is described on, a slightly
larger thumbnail is on the right hand side.

How is that inadequate for your requirements?

> anything would be better than having to take the TIME to download 
Look at the license that it is distributed under.  Use of non-existent
licenses, such as "Android App Review" correlates with templates that
are either poor quality, or malware distribution points or pure spam.

>50- (3000 total?) JUST TO SEE them- at present,

Currently, https://templates.openoffice.org claims 3437 templates,
whilst https:/extensions.libreoffice.org/templates? claims 356 templates.

For various reasons, I suspect that both counts are wrong.

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Re: Struggling to Understand Official OpenOffice Guide

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On 02/22/2018 10:49 PM, Jordan Wright wrote:

>guide for recovering damaged OpenOffice files from the official guide 

Do you have an _undamaged_ copy of the file?
Either something in /user/backups/ or, preferably, something that was
either ">save as "filename.datestamp",
or copied to another medium, from where you saved the file?

> What I am struggling to understand is what step 6 is referring to when it 
> talks about “contents.xml” and how I may go about retrieving it.

An odt file is a zip archive, that contains around half a dozen files.
contents.xml is the file that contains the content - the stuff that was
written.

> Also, am I correct to assume that the “directory” in Step 2 can be as simple 
> as creating a folder on a desktop?

Yes.

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Re: Fwd: Re: Google Apps

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On 02/15/2018 12:30 PM, Winter wrote:

> My opinion is correct 

Your opinion holds water for you, and you alone.

For other people, your opinion is not only flat out wrong, but also
anti-intuitive, counter-productive, and guarantee to ensure zero
productivity.

>If this is the way your Tech responds to customers 

You do realize that you are not communicating with tech support, don't you?

>I can see why you create an inferior product. 

Inferior/superior has to do with the specific use case for which the
product is being used. For some use cases, Apache OpenOffice is several
orders of magnitude superior to Microsoft Office.  For other user cases,
the reverse is true.

>You could have listened to my concerns instead you want to

What is intuitive for one person, is anything but intuitive for another
person. Consider, for example, the difference between somebody who
learned keyboarding using vi, and somebody who learned keyboarding using
EMACS, and somebody who learnt keyboarding using WordStar.

All three users will be more productive (^1) in the environment that
they learned keyboarding in, than using a GUI interface. However, for
somebody who learned keyboarding via a GUI, vi, EMACS, and WordStar are
incomprehensible mysteries that are grossly inefficient.

>You know damn well the intent of my sentence 

>From where I'm sitting, your intent is either to prove that your IQ is
the reciprocal of what you claim it is, or else that you have zero
knowledge about keyboarding, data entry, or even computers in general
--- including how to use basic office software.

> product should not be so complicated that I have to dig through forums to do 
> your job.

The job of the user is to learn what their tools are, and how to use
them. People that can't be bothered learning what their tools are, and
how to use them, find everything complicated.


^1: The research implies that a knowledgable user is more than twice as
productive using keyboard commands, and GUI commands.


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Re: Hi OpenOffice.org - General Support question

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On 10/17/2017 03:49 AM, Chris Lark wrote:

>read work I had previously madewith Microsoft Works word processor?

Apache OpenOffice does not import/read Microsoft Works files.
LibreOffice can import/read _some_ Microsoft Works files.

Neither office suite will save to a Microsoft Works file format.

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Fwd: Re: Lost Password

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On 07/06/2017 05:43 PM, Gregory Truby wrote:

>>Try each of those variant patterns, until you find the correct password;

> Thank you Jonathon, I have tried that. Is there really nothing more I can do?

Optimised brute force is the most efficient way of finding the password.

There are a couple of firms that will do this for you, but their fees
are high. One of them has an initial charge of US$10,000,000, and a
quarterly charge of US$1,000,000 with no guarantee of finding the
password. The primary virtue of these services, is that they check
around 99,000,000,000 passwords per second. Organizations which offer
these services have extremely large dictionaries, which they use as part
of their "optimised brute force" attack.

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Re: Lost Password

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On 07/06/2017 04:51 PM, Gregory Truby wrote:

> I am wondering how I can delete the password or bypass it? Or even reset it?

Your best chance of recovering the document, is to:
* Wwrite down what you think the password is;
* Construct variants of that, using the normal password variation patterns;
* Try each of those variant patterns, until you find the correct password;


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Re: Help Me Make This Faster

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On 06/22/2017 07:22 PM, QCIT3 MMisonora wrote:

> The computers we are using are Windows 7 computers that run on a Core 2 Duo 
> with 2 GB of RAM and a 32-bit Operating System.

Your first problem is that you don't have enough RAM for the OS you are
using.

The second problem is that you don't have enough RAM for the OS and
software that you want to use.

IOW, upgrade those computers to at least 8 GB RAM.

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Re: Documents created with OpenOffice to use in Family Treemaker will not open. How can I fix this problem?

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On 06/15/2017 07:32 PM, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

> What format are you trying to import? 

The OP may think that because AOo can import GEDCOM files, it should be
able to export to GEDCOM. (This functionality is available by installing
an extension.)

Back in the days of OOo 1.1.x, a couple of people on one of the
genealogy lists were looking into creating a GEDCOM export filter, with
the actual data being stored in either Base or dBASE. I haven't seen
anything about that project in years, so I doubt it was ever publicly
released.

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Re: [AOO-Templates]

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On 06/13/2017 03:28 AM, Qaz Wiz wrote:

> so many templates/extensions being "offered" on site only link to a dead page.

Unless specific page URLs are provided, nobody can give you the specific
reason that an extension, or template is not available.

In my experience, the four most common reasons for non-availability are:
* The item was never publicly released;
* The item is obsolete/no longer support, and a request to no longer
distribute the item was honoured;
* The item was hosted on a third party site, which has since disappeared;
* The item is not for Apache OpenOffice, but rather is for Microsoft
Office, or another non-compatible office suite;

> i have spent the last HOUR on the site downloading just two templates. none

I understand the frustration of spending a long time searching for
items, only to not be able to retrieve them.

> and of course NO DOWNLOAD BUTTON.

If you were on the official Apache Open Office Extension Site, and the
official Apache Open Office Template Site, clicking on the extension, or
template will take you to the SourceForge page, where the file is
automatically downloaded.

> a curator should be deleting the MANY false entries and the actual page

I will grant that there are a number of extensions that do not work with
the current version of Apache OpenOffice.  However, they work with older
versions, and are thus retained.

> frame should include a "REPORT PAGE" button (in RED i think) to inform
> curator(s) there may be a problem that a curator may need to address.

That is what Bugzilla is for.

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Re: Program(s) Presentation, Solution(s) For Technical Problem(s), Updates, Downloads, Installations

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On 06/09/2017 09:43 PM, Patti C wrote:

> Could you please have a grammar and punctuation checker

Several grammar, punctuation, and style checkers are available for
Apache OpenOffice.

Download and install the appropriate extensions.

I'll also mention that for more comprehensive grammar or spell checking,
you'll need to install supplementary rule sets for those tools. These
rule sets are available from the home site of the specific extension.

>equipped with a thesaurus

Likewise, several spelling checkers and thesauri are available for
Apache OpenOffice. You can find them at
https://extensions.openoffice.org/ and
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/extensions.

> Could you please provide various writing styles with elegance and neatness
> to be easily read and understood; while being impressive to the eyes in the
> printed and written word(s) in the Open Office Text and Drawing Program(s)?

https://templates.openoffice.org/ or LibreOffice's set of templates.

> Could you please state whether the spelling of a word is Canadian or 
> American, such as color or colour?

If you have configured AOo to Canadian English, and installed a Canadian
English dictionary, when you use American English, the words are flagged
when incorrectly spelled for Canadian English.

As far as Canadian English Grammar Checking, and American English
Grammar Checking goes, that is a function of the grammar checker that
you installed.

> Thank you for taking the time to read my email. I hope I have not overwhelmed 
> you.

I take it that reading the user manual, completely, utterly, and
absolutely overwhelmed you, on the basis that it describes a plethora of
options and functions, including all of those that you requested here.

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Re: early version

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On 06/02/2017 04:45 AM, Sanford Shapiro wrote:

> It looks like somewhere along the way I blew it.

Not really.
When the ability to read/write the OOo 1.x was dropped, an extension
that would enable AOo to read, and maybe write those file formats was
supposed to have been released.

FWIW, LibO 5.x can read those file formats.

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Re: Open Office Download Tracking

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On 05/10/2017 09:01 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:

> Thanks for the information on trackers provided above. If any of those can 
> answer the OPs question about his serial number then I would be surprised and 
> it would become a security question.

Given what trackers obtain about one's system, my surprise would be if
they didn't have the serial number of every piece of hardware that was
ever plugged into one's computer.

I've forgotten which CEO of which Social Media company it was that said:
"You don't have any privacy. Get over it."
A statement that shocked a great many people, but accurately reflects
the intrusiveness of corporate sponsored surveillance of individuals,
both online and offline.

Before somebody says: "Isn't it illegal", the simple answer is no.
This type of data has been available for decades. The only difference
between today, and 50 years ago, is that it is much easier, and cheaper
to purchase today, than it was in 1970.

#

FWIW, some versions of MSO embed the serial number of the computer that
the document was first created on, within the document metadata.
Typically, this datapoint is not deleted by "metadata deletion tools".
So if you have any documents created by MSO backed up, take a look at them.

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Re: Does openoffice allows commercial use?

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On 05/06/2017 02:40 AM, ?? wrote:

>a question about your policy for commercial uses.

The only requirement is that your firm honours the Apache License.

> Do we need a license to install the openoffice software on the server? 

Rephrase your question.

As written, the best explanation is:
* Apache OpenOffice is distributed under the Apache License. If you can
get it to run on a server, you can do so. However:
** Apache OpenOffice is for desktops, not servers;
** Apache OpenOffice does not provide for cloud based instances;

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Re: Open Office current release terms and conditions

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On 04/03/2017 05:36 PM, Isaac Schrader wrote:

>The only terms and conditions are you cannot sell the software to any
party

The Federal Circuit Court ruling from SCO v the world was that when
something is sold, all intellectual property rights are inherently
included within the sale, even if not specifically demarcated as such.
As such, since one probably did not have the legal right to sell the
intellectual property rights of Apache OpenOffice, then selling the
product might be an act of fraud. As such, it is some extremely shaky
case law, and _not_ the license that prohibits one from selling the
software.

In the rest of the country, and in places where things have to be
explicitly demarcated, when being sold, there are neither legal nor
licensing hindrances, in selling the software.

Your reputation might suffer, in selling a product that can be obtained
gratis, but that is a different issue.

>and you cannot alter the program in any way.

That is flat out false. One can modify the program. The license does
have a couple of requirements that are trivial to meet, if the altered
program is further distributed.

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

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Re: Possible Corporate installation

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On 03/30/2017 02:32 PM, James Plante wrote:
> What I would do if I were in your position is to print out the AOO license 
> for the version that you’re using;
> write a statement of your circumstances and what you’ve been asked to
do; then take it to a California lawyer,
> and ask for a letter of opinion.

I'd recommend taking printouts of all licenses and contracts that are
related to the project, and have that lawyer go through them, to ensure
that using AOo will be kosher. I've come across a couple of contracts
that, for all practical purposes, prohibited the use of FLOSS. I've also
come across a couple of closed source licenses that make the use of
FLOSS problematic.

> Having that letter in your file will give you some ammunition against 
> lawsuits or other enforcement action. 

+1

I am not a lawyer. This is not legal advice.

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Re: Openoffice bug fixes from libreoffice

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On 03/18/2017 10:49 AM, Edward C wrote:

> Is the code so different now that it would not make sense for an Openoffice 
> dev to have a look at what they did to fix the bug 

I haven't examined the code base of the two projects, but based upon the
way the various extensions function, I suspect that the code base of the
two projects has diverged enough, that code has to be specifically
written for each project.

IOW, a patch for one project will have no effect when integrated into
the other project, unless it is rewritten. Whether or not looking at the
code that fixed in a bug in one project, will provide a useful algorithm
to fix the same bug in the other project, is useful, depends upon a
plethora of unrelated factors.

The other hurdle is that the two projects use different licenses.
Whether or not they are compatible is something best left for the
lawyers to decide.

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Re: TEMPLATES

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On 03/16/2017 09:34 PM, Starr Owens wrote:

> |   I HAVE TRIED REPEATEDLY, FOR 2 YEARS NOW, TO BE ABLE TO DOWNLOAD AND 
> ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO RETRIEVE THE DOWNLOADED TEMPLATES, 

Which template9s) are you trying to obtain?
Please provide both the name, and specific URL you are trying to
retrieve the template from.

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Re: For What Home-Office Tasks are you Using AOO-BASE?

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On 03/09/2017 09:57 PM, VinceB. wrote:

>I have yet to come up with a practical use of the AOO BASE module

People can use BASE for everything that they use the Jet Database Engine
for. The major obstacle being the lack of readily accessible
documentation on using BASE.

> Anyone care to give their list of BASE task applications? 

I know a couple of people who use BASE as a front end for SQLite.

Somewhere in the AOo website, but neither in the template section, nor
in the section that explains using BASE, are four or five BASE
templates, for a music database.

In either the AOo or LibO template repository are:
* A recipe database;
* An inventory system;

> and may give me reason to reconsider using a DBM rather than a spreadsheet 
> tool in some instances.

Databases tend to be far less destructive of data than spreadsheets are.

#

On a personal level, I much prefer SQLite as a database engine.

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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

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On 02/27/2017 09:47 AM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:
>> If we know why they are wanting the template, then one might be able to
>> either suggest an alternative, or create it, using the specifications
> That's a one off solution, next user will report the same problem

If the reconstructed/new template is placed on the template site, in
theory, it will rank higher than the "access denied" template.

>> concentrated on the landing page, and other heavily viewed pages.
> It has nothing to do with heavily viewed pages, because if you search a

I didn't bookmark the specific template (CBrainPower), but searching for
it on the template site returns "Search found 0 items".

> The issue is that if the link is not maintained by the originator of the 
> template, you get errors.

What link are you talking about?

Grabbing the second template on the landing page for Templates,
"Scenario Template", the displayed message is "Mise-en page pour
scénario"
(http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/scenario-template
) and nothing else.

Trying a second template "Music template",
http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en/template/music-paper, the
download link is to
http://templates.services.openoffice.org/template/download/70 . The
license links to http://www.openoffice.org/licenses/BSD.pdf. The only
offsite link I could find was to
https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-templates/files/70/stats/timeline?dates=2017-02-12+to+2017-02-26
, and, if you want to press it,
https://sourceforge.net/projects/aoo-templates/files/70/music_paper.ott/download
, which masquerades as
http://templates.services.openoffice.org/template/download/70

> At the moment the page gives the impression that the template and
> extension pages are owned by Apache OpenOffice

Technically, the webpages for both templates and extensions are owned by
Apache Software Foundation.

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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

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On 02/22/2017 02:16 AM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

> It's not your job to question the why. The extension is on the website
> so it should be downloadable or removed.

If we know why they are wanting the template, then one might be able to
either suggest an alternative, or create it, using the specifications
provided by the individual that wanted the "Access Denied" template.


> The number of problems reported on the user list is to high to ignore,
> only this year there were 11 issues on the user mailing list

That is probably because the "Access Denied" templates appear to be
concentrated on the landing page, and other heavily viewed pages.


>> b) OTOH, this could be a system glitch. Unremovable due to circumstances
>> beyond the control of the website maintainer.
> 
> If a site administrator has a problem to maintain the site he should escalate 
> the problem.

Given that the Apache OpenOffice website maintainers don't have access
to the site that delivers the content ...

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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

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On 02/21/2017 05:23 AM, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

> So who is responsible to maintain this website?

>> Get version 2.1 from http://openofficeapps.weebly.com/
> This website doesn't allow to download it said "Download (Inaktiv)"

CBrainPower_2.01.odb
Filesize 1.1 MB, 1146983 bytes
date: 2013-10-17

It is CSalesFacts that has both an extension, and a database, not
CBrainPower

> It's not up to us to discuss the functionality / usefullness of an extension, 

I'm question both why people want to download this specific file, and
what useful functionality this template offers, especially as compared
to the description.

> but if it is available on the extension web page it should be
downloadable otherwise the extension should be removed.

a) This gets into the philosophy of when, and under what circumstances
all mention of a template, or extension, is removed;

b) OTOH, this could be a system glitch. Unremovable due to circumstances
beyond the control of the website maintainer.

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Re: trying to get a template from the page...

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On 02/20/2017 04:35 AM, Sarah Kragness wrote:

> says 'access denied'... for the cBrainpower1.3 - creative learning made

The version on the AOo extension page has been obsolete for at least
five years.

> SO WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO DO, SINCE IT'S ON A TEMPLATE DOWNLOAD PAGE?

Get version 2.1 from http://openofficeapps.weebly.com/

#

I don't get the apparent popularity of this extension:

The more I look at this extension, the more I think that an extension
that implements PILOT, a la LibreLogo for LibO, would be more useful.

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Re: Saving As Docx

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On 02/17/2017 05:11 AM, Tony Tsui wrote:
> Why doesn't OpenOffice support saving document files as .docx?

When you say ".docx" which of the following file formats do you mean:
* ECMA-376;
* ISO/IEC 29500 Transitional
* ISO/IEC 29500 Strict;

I thought that there was also an ISO/IEC 29500 Provisional, but right
now, I can't find any details about it.

Or do you mean ".docx" as produced by:
* Word 2003;
* Word 2004;
* Word 2006;
* Word 2008;
* Word 2010;
* Word 2011;
* Word 2013;
* Word 2016;
* MSO 365;

That is 13 different file formats, each with their own mutually
exclusive idiosyncrasies and specifications.

Apache OpenOffice could save to ISO 29500 strict, but the price for that
would be guaranteed incompatibility with Microsoft Office, because MSO
does not support ISO 29500 strict.

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Re: Libre Office

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On 02/06/2017 09:56 PM, James Plante wrote:
> Overall, I like Neo better  because its solo developer tends to business as 
> quick as possible. 

I was under the impression that the developor had pretty much closed up
shop. The last time I went poking around that site, I didn't see any
indicators of paid support being available.

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Re: Libre Office

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On 02/06/2017 07:19 PM, John Gregson wrote:
> What is the difference between Open Office and Libre office? 

Back in 2015 I addressed that question in my blog.
http://libreoffice-environment.blogspot.com/2015/03/libreoffice-or-apache-open-office.html

Were I writing that post today, the only addition I'd make is that
LibreOffice is more security qua TSCP BAILS focused.

Which one to use literally depends upon your specific use case.

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Re: [AOO-Templates]

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On 05/12/16 00:19, Toni Drost wrote:
> Just a professional resume

Some of the templates on the AOo Template repository site are neither
libre, nor gratis, which is why I asked for the specific URL.

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Re: My entire novel was replaced with hash[marks]

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On 25/11/16 22:39, John Hart wrote:

> Automatic saving of a file every 'n' minutes, and creating an automatic
 backup file aren't the same thing.

As far as I can determine, AOo considers thatto be two different
actions, done in two different ways.

>If automatic saving uses the same file name, it could be destructive, if it 
>uses a different file name, and the
> program or system crashes, how does one find the file?

if turned on, the backup file is saved in wherever you have designated
your backup file to be. The default name of the backup folder is
"backup". The default location is in user profile folder.

I've forgotten where the crash protection file is saved to. :(
AFIAK, it is not saved in either the same folder as the original
document, nor in the backup folder, but in a third location.

> If there's a crash protection file, why would the user be required to turn it 
> on? 

Crash recovery doesn't always recover the correct document. There was,
and for all I know still is, a bug that is incredibly difficult to
diagnose, that causes both backup, and crash recovery to fail, depending
upon how one configures various other user-changeable settings. (The
simple fix was to turn off both auto backup, and crash recovery,, and if
the program did crash, decline the recovery process. However, this fix
does require one to save the file at frequent intervals --- at least
once every five minutes, if not more frequently.)

>When you restart OO after a crash, does it ask if you want to recover
the file?

Yes.

#

The ideal solution would be for somebody who groks both AOo and SVN to
fix the bugs in OOo-SVN, so that it automatically saves files every #
minutes.  Ideally, part of the bug-fixing would be an automated install
of SVN, such that non-programmers don't have to do anything but click
one button "Yes, Install SVN", or "No, Cancel Operation".

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Re: Transferring Markdown Documents to OpenOffice

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On 19/11/16 20:56, H wrote:
>I am a recent convert to using markdown for creating draft documents,
outlines etc.

At the beginning of October, I was shown a work flow process to create
documents that have complex formatting and layout requirements (^1),
using markdown (^2) and GIT. However, specific details were, shall we
say, somewhat lacking.

> Now I would also like to create drafts of documents and of slide
> presentations in markdown to later be transferred to OpenOffice or

If I understand the documentation correctly, then
multimarkdown -t 0DF file.txt
will create an ODF file from file.txt.

You can grab MultiMarkDown from
https://github.com/fletcher/MultiMarkdown-5/releases
*Nix users will have to import source from GitHub and compile it on
themselves.

I'm not aware of any extensions that enable LibO to import/export
Markdown. :(


^1: This system enables one to do things that are not possible with
Scribus, LibO, or anything from either zip code 98052 or 95014.

^2: The biggest modification is flags to indicate a change in writing
system.

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Re: [AOO-Templates]

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On 03/11/2016 10:18, Pauline Martin wrote:

> I was trying to download this template from the Open Office site:
> http://templates.openoffice.org/en/template/cd-jewel-case-front-insert-template-2

That isn't a template.

it was uploaded by an organization that specialises in spreading their
commercial message on high profile, non-commercial sites, in their
attempt to gain a more favourable Google Page Ranking.

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Re: Writing Templates

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On 02/11/2016 18:58, James Plante wrote:

> My advice is to make your own. 

That really depends upon what the template does.

The typical MSO Template with an MSRP in the US$400 price range, whilst
creatable by power users, is usually both awkward and tedious to
construct. Those in the US$10,000 price range are usually beyond the
territory occupied by power users. Between those two price points,
things are iffy, but tend towards requiring specialists to construct,
and power users to utilize.

On the flipside, it is much easier to download templates for Project
Management, than it is to construct them from scratch.

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Re: [AOO-Templates]

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On 02/11/2016 15:17, Rory O'Farrell wrote:

> Some templates/extensions are now not available, 

At least a third of the templates could be removed/deleted, without
losing anything useable.

>for reasons I don't think anyone has investigated.

There is a chance, albeit slim, that the template is available elsewhere
on the Internet. (I download most templates that look useful. However,
last week, something happened to the drive I archived them on, and lost
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Re: ODT and ODS document saving problems

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On 31/10/2016 08:03, Sophie Ofei Anim wrote:
> Every document I save after update in ODT or ODS format blocks and a 
> notification says that this document has already been edited and impossible 
> to write the file. 

What happens when you do a save as?

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Re: AOO-Templates

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On 09/10/2016 19:24, Brian Barker wrote:

> All that doesn't explain the not altogether satisfactory behaviour of the 
> OpenOffice web site, of course.

a)  At some point in time, both templates and extensions that are "old"
are no longer listed, when one does a search for them;

b) For templates and extensions that were deliberately removed from
services.openoffice.org, a period of time can elapse, before no evidence
of their prior existence can be found on the openoffice.org site;

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Re: Page numbering

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On 06/10/2016 01:19, Martin Groenescheij wrote:

>even with a crap package you can achieve perfect results.

Sometimes inferior software won't allow one to make the adjustments that
are needed, for perfect results.

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Re: Page numbering

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On 05/10/2016 21:47, John Hart wrote:

> From what I understand, styles are associated with paragraphs, not pages,

There are:
* Page Styles;
* Paragraph Styles;
* Numbering Styles;
* Character Styles;

Depending upon how configured, these styles can be used to trigger other
things.

In my example, a slight modification of Header 1, results in the page
style Right Page being inserted before the heading.

> All I wanted to do was put a title page, and table of contents in front
> of a multi file document that prints exactly as it needs to. 

Title page that flows into copyright page that flows into
FrontMatterRightPage that flows into FrontMatterLeftPage, that flows
into FrontMatterRightPage, etc.

Then use Header One that automatically insert RightPage before the
header, after make that configuration.

>Why this is  so complex, in what is supposed to be a mature software
package used by
 millions is hard to under stand.

It is complex, precisely because it a mature package, for which people
have used for a plethora of use cases that you probably never dreamed
existed.

jonathon

> In user friendly software, this should take about ten minutes, not ten hours.

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Re: Page numbering

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On 05/10/2016 08:38, John Hart wrote:

> The Title, Copyright, and Table were pasted into the TEXT block
> at the beginning, separated by inserted Manual Breaks. 

Look at the page style for Chapter 1. It should be _Right Page_.
If it isn't, then the simplest way to correct it, is to modify the
Chapter header to force a page break before the heading, with a page
style of _Right Page_.

>If those  breaks were wrong, can they be replaced, or edited?

IMNSHO, manually inserting is begging for style / layout issues.  Much
better to configure the styles (page and/or paragraph) to flow into the
formatting you want.

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Re: Page numbering

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On 04/10/2016 23:17, John Hart wrote:
> If it's not a BUG,  what needs to be added to make it work..

Select the appropriate attributes for the appropriate styles.

I'd have to look at the document in question, to explain why it produces
the result it does. I suspect that it due to the inserted page not
having headers/footers in which page numbers can be inserted, and
forcing all subsequent pages to be of the same style.

Regardless, it isn't a bug, but simply a misunderstanding of how to
configure page styles.

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Re: Page numbering

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On 03/10/2016 21:54, John Hart wrote:

> A list of style attributes, and a diagram of how they propagate would be most 
> useful. Does such a document exist?

AFAIK, that doesn't exist for styles and templates that are included in
the default setup.

There are a couple of templates for which a separate document exists
that describes:
* each attribute of each style used in the template;
* what other styles are affected by an attribute change of a style;
* why each style was created;
* when to use each style;



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Re: Request for Nofollow or Removal of Links to My Site at Openoffice

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On 25/09/2016 01:26, Dave Fisher wrote:
> These sites are not hosted on Apache infrastructure.

I hadn't realized that not only is
http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en hosted on servers controlled
by, and maintained by SourceForge, but that Apache  Infra had zero
authority over what happens there.

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Re: Request for Nofollow or Removal of Links to My Site at Openoffice

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On 24/09/2016 03:24, Formsbirds wrote:

> I'm writing to ask for adding "Nofollow" tag to the links that pointed to my 
> site - formsbirds.com or remove them completely. 
> We found thousands of links pointed to our site from 
> templates.openoffice.org. 

My recommendation is that you:
* Contact infra directly;
* List each page in which links to your site can be found;

FWIW, the templates in question appear to be PDF files, and as such, are
not usable as is, with either Write or Calc. As such, they probably
should be deleted from http://templates.services.openoffice.org/en.

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RE: Page Header Assistance

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Roy wrote:

>I gave the simple answer

Simple ≠ usable.

More pointedly, the cited web page doesn't mention that for your
proposed solution, one creates that last page _first_.
(If you start with the first page, you triple the amount of work needed
to create pages that flow together properly.)
>no need to go into complexities if the OP is already baffled.  

That bafflement is precisely why the OP should be told how complicated
their proposal is.
That the first hundred plus attempts to create the pages probably will
not produce the desired results.
(Maybe if somebody sends them detailed, step by step instructions, for
creating the first ten to twenty pages,
they might not give up in frustration. I pointedly will not write such
instructions, because it only not
only encourages non-existent project management and planning, but
actively promotes bad design.
CF: Tufte, Edward (2001) _The Visual Display of Quantitative
Information_ Cheshire CT: Graphics Press. ISBN 0-9613921-4-2

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Re: Page Header Assistance

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On 20/09/2016 Rory wrote:

> You need to use a different page style every time the page header changes.  
> Details are given in this tutorial

Whether or not a new page style is needed for each even page, depends
upon the source of the headers.  If it were, say, chapter headings, then
only two page styles are needed --- LeftPage and RightPage.

If every even page needs its custom, non-sourceable header, then a page
style for each page _might_ be needed. This is doable, but extremely
tricky. Anybody going this route needs to think long and hard about why
each page needs a custom, non-sourceable header, before tackling it.

If one is experienced at constructing page styles, it will take between
10 and 20 attempts, to get the pages to flow correctly. If one is not
experienced with creating page styles, then budget at least 500
attempts, to get the pages to look the way they should, and flow
smoothly into each other. IOW, this is not for the feint-hearted.

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Re: Hello OOoTransit

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On 14/09/2016 16:28, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote:

> There is no OOoTransit extension on the Apache OpenOffice site, 
> .

There are extensions in the AOo Extension repository, that are not
displayed when doing a search, but are displayed when the appropriate
URL is used. I do not maintain a list of these extensions that meet
these criteria.

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Re: MS Office Publisher

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On 08/09/2016 23:58, Terry Hocevar wrote:
> Do you have a similar product or recommendation for beginner newsletter 
> publisher?

Write will do a better job than anything MSPublisher could ever dream of
being able to do.


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RE: spreadsheet password

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Michelle wrote:

>tried every password ive ever used and searched the internet on recovery and 
>have found nothing, please advise

a) How much are you willing to pay for password recovery?
b) How long are you willing to wait for said password to be recovered?


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Re: Can't find answer on website or Help

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> On Sun, Aug 7, 2016 at 2:51 PM,  Gillian wrote:

>> The main problem I have at present is trying to type in text the symbols 
>> found in music:  I have a sharp symbol on my keyboard but none of the others,
particularly needing the flat symbol.

> Try this:
> http://www.outsideshore.com/music/music-software/musescore-example-manager-for-libreoffice/


OOoLilyPOnd, obtainable from
http://extensions.openoffice.org/en/project/ooolilypond is more likely
to work than MuseScore Manager.

I wouldn't be surprised if  the _LibreOffice SongBook Architect_
(http://struckkai.blogspot.de/2015/04/libreofficesongbookarchitect.html)
is more appropriate than either OOoLilyPond or MuseScore
Manager4LibreOffice.(Contrary to its name, LOSA is available for both
LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice.)

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Re: Font colour changes in global substitutions

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On 01/08/2016 00:54, brian wrote:

> is published via Amazon's 'print on demand' services. We send Amazon
> the book as a PDF, they print a copy when somebody buys one. 

Have you looked at the price difference between B and 4 colour
printing? For this specific usage --- hearts and diamonds in red ---  is
it worth the roughly six cents per page price difference?

For ebook formats (PDF, epub, mobi, fb2, etc) the major issue with
colour is that most e-ink screens don't display them properly. For
non-e-ink devices, colour is rendered correctly. As such, colouring
hearts and diamonds in red is a non-issue.

> No conventional publisher would touch it with a barge pole.

The organization that hired you to write the material is the publisher.
As such, what is needed is a printer, not a publisher.

Personally, for POD I'd rather go with Ingram Spark for non-Amazon
sales, holding off on CreateSpace until Amazon's non-stocking policy
makes using it imperative. On the flipside, IngramSpark mandates that
one knows exactly what one is doing, whilst CreateSpace mandates that
one be utterly clueless.

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Re: Font colour changes in global substitutions

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On 31/07/2016 22:45, brian wrote:

> substitute the red suit symbols for hearts and diamonds (I cheat by
> copying the symbols from elsewhere in the text) but I can't work out
> how to then switch back to black text after I've done the substitution, 

Character Styles.
Create one for Red Suites and one for Black Suites.

Write your document using your usual character style.  When finished,
write a macro that searches for each heart, and applies the Red Suite
character style to it, then change that macro so search for each
diamond, to apply the Red Suite character style to it.  Then modify it
to search for each spade, and apply the Black Suite character style to
it, then change it to search for each club, applying the Black Suite
character style.

> Secondary question: Is there any such thing as a 'reveal codes' option

If you modify the formatting toolbar appropriately, the formatting
changes are displayed there, as one moves through the document. That is
about as close to usable Reveal Codes functionality as you'll find for AOo.

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RE: Conveting files from Word Perfect x7

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Grethe wrote:


>i would like to insure, that it is possible to convert files from Word
Perfectx7 to Apache.

Apache OpenOffice won't open WordPerfect files.

LibreOffice will open WordPerfect files.

As such, depending upon the rest of your use case, LibreOffice might be
a more appropriate solution than Apache OpenOffice.

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RE: Outlook

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Brian wrote:

>>It will do your email.

>This is simply untrue: OpenOffice does not include a mail client!

StarOffice included an email client. Back in the days of OOo 0.8 or 0.9,
OpenOffice.org included that email client.
By the time OOo 1.0 was released, the User Interface of that email
client had been more or less removed.

At least one of the commercially distributed, rebranded OOo 3.x clones,
included an email client. I don't know if they
rolled something into OOo, or simply rebranded a FLOSS email client.

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Re: Helping More People Access Open Office

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On 19/07/2016 01:34, Dave Fisher wrote:
> The Apache Software Foundation is a 501(c3) non-profit corporation registered 
> in Delaware, USA.

That doesn't explain why Dave Barton said: "Just to make you aware the
Apache Software Foundation (ASF) is not a firm, business or corporation."

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Re: Legality of use question

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On 11/07/2016 07:20, Jason McMahon wrote:

> Is it allowable to include the installation package of OpenOffice Suite in 
> our product package 

That is more or less the point of the Apache Software Foundation.

Apache OpenOffice is distributed under _The Apache License, Version
2.0_, which can be found at https://www.apache.org/licenses/.

For how local law affects the requirements of that license, consult a
lawyer/solicitor in your locale.

> a "free software" inclusion which does not reflect or influence,
directly or indirectly, the pricing of our product?

The "Free" of "Free Software" refers to Libre, not Gratis. As such, if
you want to sell Apache OpenOffice, either as part of a package, or as a
stand alone product, you can do so.

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Re: WK4 conversion to XLS

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On 27/06/2016 21:36, Stewart, Michael wrote:

>  But I don't see WK4 file extensions as an option when I try to convert a 
> file.

This is one of the areas where there are clear and distinct differences
between LibreOffice and Apache OpenOffice. Differences that most third
party sites neither know nor appreciate.

IIRC, WK4 support in LibreOffice is through a third party extension ---
one that doesn't work with Apache OpenOffice.

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Re: numbering of pages

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On 23/06/2016 11:49, Tom Bruwier wrote:

> In a large text file drawn op in OpenOffice Writer, I would like to number my 
> pages in a “header”.
> 1) is this possible

In LibreOffice 5.x (I'm using 5.1.1.4), ">Insert >Page Number"

> 2) how do i customize the header so that i can number the pages in the font 
> and fontsize of my choice

Edit the Page Number character style.

> 3) once all this done, how do I get an automatic numbering as from the first 
> page that gets a number; 
> more concrete: the first pages 7 of the document don’t get numbering,
but as from page 8 they all do.

Page Styles
By default, page style "First Page" does no have headers or footers.
Use that page style for the first seven pages.

Page styles "Left Page" and "Right Page", by default, do not have
headers or footers.  Enable headers ">Insert >Headers and Footers
>Headers" then select the appropriate page style.

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RE: MV Boli font

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Cori Lenz wrote:

>I want to use the MV Boli font for a commercial project.

You need to talk to Microsoft, or its authorized agent about what the
license allows, and what it prohibits.

> Is there any copyright attached to this font or is it free for any use?

In as much as Lintotype charges US$490 for a single CPU Core, it is
emphatically neither gratis nor libre.

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RE: Quick question

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I wrote:

>> Is there a way to prevent text from spilling/overflowing over into the
next cell without wrapping it??

> The simplest solution is to make the cell in row 30 contain a blank
space, with no other glyphs in it.

Oops. That should be "the column to the right of the cell in row 29."

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RE: Quick question

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Info wrote:

>Is there a way to prevent text from spilling/overflowing over into the
next cell
without wrapping it??

The simplest solution is to make the cell in row 30 contain a blank
space, with no other glyphs in it.

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RE: PASSWORD RECOVERY - SUNPO INDUSTRIES LIMITED-PAKISTAN BRANCH

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SHABBIR ADMIN wrote:


> Please find the attached files and respond to us as soon as possible. 

The public mailing list you sent your request to, stripped the
attachments of your email.

>And please co-operate with us and forward the mail to concerned person if the 
>mail is received by you. 

What don't you send the email directly to the concerned party.

>We desperately need help in this regard.

If you want/need password recovery for an ODF file, then I'd recommend
your monthly budget be in the neighbourhood of 1,ك000,000 per month,
until the password has been recovered.

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Gartner Magic Quadrant Analysis

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All:

Can somebody point me in the general direction on how to create a Magic
Quadrant Analysis using Calc

Specifically, labelling each datapoint in the quadrant.

Here is the link to an example chart from Garnet.
http://na3.www.gartner.com/imagesrv/research/magic-quadrants/MQ_img1.gif;wa6133018e53c72211

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Re: Recovery of Password

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Mohammad Shakeel wrote on 01/06/2016 11:19:

> Can you please help me to recover or remove my password from the file.

Try John The Ripper, available from http://www.openwall.com/john/.

I don't what the data is based upon, but the claim is that if it doesn't
recover the password within 90 days, it will take several decades for
the password to be recovered.

Using a standard desktop, the formula for determining how long it takes
to brute force the password is:
( n ^ PL ) / 1,000,000 = time in seconds.

For a small Beowulf cluster, the formula is
( n ^ PL ) / 99,000,000,000 = time in seconds.

where
* n is password cardinality. This is also known as the size of the
symbol space. Rephrasing, the number of letters in the case of the
writing systems that are used;
* PL is password length;

FYI, this is why passwords in Hebrew are inherently less secure than
passwords in English, which in turn, are less secure than passwords in
Russian.

https://app.box.com/s/aobyrwv0w33v2hxskfjtwjcvq14sovau
has a spreadsheet that calculates approximate password strength, and how
long it will take to brute force.
(Somebody else can clean it up, and toss it into a template repository.)


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Re: Using open office on tablet

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J wrote on 31/05/2016 11:48:

> Is it safe to assume that if I load your openoffice software onto a tablet 
> with keyboard it will work without any problems?

The primary issue is what version of what operating system does that
hardware use.

The hardware specs are borderline OK.

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Re: Sort Sequence in Calc

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Vince wrote on 29/05/2016 18:20:

>and the rows for any previously existing row with word wrapping, appear too 
>small/low.

Typically, that happens when one uses a non-default font that is bigger
than the default.  To compensate for that adjust heights at >Format >Row
>Optimal Height adjustment. If that (larger than default font) is the
cause, then it will only need to be done once.

I've forgotten which fonts don't play nicely with Calc. As a general
rule, these fonts break several conventions in creating glyphs. (Too
little white space at the edges, is the most common problem.)

> I asked about a possible method to freeze the row's height

I use a spreadsheet for my passwords, and have never encountered the
situation you describe.

The biggest problem I've encountered, was when OOo changed encryption
routines. I had to save the spreadsheet without a password, to be able
to use it on my different computers. Since all my computers are now
running the same version of the same office suite, I can encrypt that
spreadsheet, without any issues.

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RE: Thunderbird

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Jack Waters wrote:

> Can anyone tell me anything about Thunderbird, or give me info on a 
> Thunderbird list?

Some of us can write 10,000 page epistles on Thunderbird, which, upon
reading, won't even approach use-cases, or specific scenarios you might
have.

> I want to see if I can set up my groups and all of my addresses in
Thunderbird
You can setup address books for Thunderbird.
However, the file format used for address books is defiantly not human
readable, and, arguably, not machine readable. Outside of very old
versions of Firefox, oldish versions of SeaMonkey, Thunderbird, and,
allegedly, LibreOffice, but not Apache OpenOffice, nothing can correctly
read the address book.
Adding insult to injury,
 is not very good at importing foreign address books.

You can setup groups for Thunderbird.
I've forgotten the associated caveats. :(

>and stop using Outlook.

Whether or not Thunderbird can replace Outlook for you, depends upon
what you use Outlook for, and how you use it for that purpose.

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Re: OT; Was Re: Updates

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On 27/02/2016 00:58, Vince wrote:

> Why not change the Subject Line, next time? 

In a correctly implemented email client, changing only the subject line
will _not_ change threading behaviour.

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Re: please

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On 28/01/2016 05:47, John Hart wrote:

> Everyone would benefit, except virus writers, snoopers, thieves and black 
> hackers.

FYI, there is open source code for viri, and similar malware.  As such,
even they might potentially benefit from tax credits.

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Re: Open Office changing my document from word

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On 19/01/2016 00:37, cathy colorado wrote:

>I can't believe your software is so invasive that you would change my W
ord Documents to ODT without asking permission,

Actually, you gave it permission to do so. The odds are that when you
gave permission for it so to do, you didn't pay attention to what you
were doing.

>and without making it easily user friendly to undo.

It is trivial to undo it.
However, to tell you how to undo it, reuqires that you tell us what
needs to be undone:
* Is it a change in file formats?
* Is it a change in where files are stored?
* Or is it some other change?

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Re: Windows 11

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On 15/01/2016 20:34, Richard Beeston wrote:

> Does anyone know if Open Office is compatible with Windows 11.

I've forgotten the name of the division in Microsoft that is the
equivalent to Apple's _Worldwide Loyalty Team_, but I'm pretty sure that
they would like to know how you obtained a copy of Windows 11.

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Re: Please Help

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On 11/01/2016 21:13, Peter Koch wrote:

> I am trying to generate random numbers without duplicate numbers being
 generated.

Grab the spreadsheet Inglenook.OTS, that should be linked to this email,
and downloadable from Box.com.

An older, but working version can be found at
https://groups.io/g/ODF_Templates/files/Model%20Railroading

I think that
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n2k6zd4wxjigu8w/inglenook.ods?dl=0 contains a
working version.

On the page "IQ" is one solution to generating a sequence of random
numbers, without duplicating any numbers. For your specific use-case,
change the random number multiplier to 69, from whatever the formula
uses. Then, if there are less than 69 numbers in the initial column,
increase the number to 69, and create additional rows, and columns, as
needed.
In essence, you need to add one column, for every row that is added.

It might take as much as an hour or so playing with the spreadsheet, and
studying the formulas, to understand what it is doing.

jonathon

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Re: revolting support

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On 12/01/2016 00:12, John Hart wrote:

> am I supposed to configure a filter for email coming in with random ad
dresses?

The following five lines in the headers are your friends:

List-Help: 
List-Unsubscribe: 
List-Post: 
List-Id: 
Reply-To: users@openoffice.apache.org

My recommendation is to use the List-Id line for list mail.

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Re: Subscription

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On 06/01/2016 18:40, Logan Hamm wrote:
> For some reason I have been charged $10.69 twice this month and I am n
ot sure why.

Contact the organization(s) that is/are billing you, using their
designated contact point. (My recommendation would be to also use FedEx
Next AM delivery.)

Your financial institution is able to provide the name of the
organization, and their street address, for each charge made on your
account. Your financial institution might charge a fee for providing
that information to you.

Regardless, since Apache Open Office is distributed gratis, it wouldn't
be charging you for a license.

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Re: Fwd: Apache Office org

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On 08/05/2015 12:01 AM, Jim McLaughlin wrote:

 Hitler!

That works only if the phrase/term can be inserted in what could be
misconstrued as a meaningful reference.

Offhand, I can't think of an example of how to insert it into this
specific discussion.

jonathon



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Re: Unable To Use M My Open Office Account

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On 08/04/2015 12:59 PM, Ronald Jackson wrote:

 I am unable To Use My Open Office Account

Can you please define what you mean by My Open Office Account.

I suspect that you have confused Apache Open Office with either the
virtual assistant telephony application, or the virtual office
application, or the virtual customer service operation, all of which are
commercial programs/services that are unrelated to Apache Open Office in
specific, and The Apache Software Foundation in general.

jonathon



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Re: technical issue

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On 08/03/2015 10:36 AM, DaveMainwaring wrote:

 Putting your photo on resume is considered a NO NO, bad idea

In most countries, requiring a resume to include a photograph is a
violation of local equal opportunity/affirmative action laws.

In some regions, many firms have an official policy of rejecting all
applications that include photographs, or videos of the applicant.

That said, there are fields of endeavor in which including a photograph
is the usual and standard practice. So much so, that the failure to
include a photograph is a guarantee that one will not be considered for
the position.

jonathon



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Re: PIRATAGE

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On 07/28/2015 03:31 PM, George frentz wrote:

 I am sorry I don't speak French so your email cannot be read. 

Basically, the OP admitted to being responsible for committing several
actions that are felonies in the United States.

Whilst I don't know how seriously to take that admission of guilt, I do
know that if I were part of Apache Infrastructure, I'd be spending the
rest of the week doing forensic analysis.

jonathon



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Re: need help opening openoffice

[toki]

On 07/24/2015 12:17 AM, Larry Gusaas wrote:

Or they can just look at the help files that came with their Mac to
find instructions on installing programs.

You do realize that less than 30% of Mac users will ever look at those
help files, don't you.

 Gatekeeper in the basic book on using OS X they should have bought.

That completely flies in the face of reality.

People will Google for a solution, and select the most promising link on
the first page. If it is the wrong thing, the working assumption is that
there is no solution.

jonathon



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Re: need help opening openoffice

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On 07/26/2015 03:31 PM, James Plante wrote:

 As reads You do realize that less than 30% of Mac users will ever look at 
 those
 help files, don't you.”
 
 Change to: You do realize that less than 30% of computer users will ever 
 look at those
 help files, don't you.”

Users of Windows are less likely to look at help files than users of Mac
OS X, and users of Linux are more likely to look at help files.

I'll grant that that data is a decade old, and that help-file habits for
desktop usage might have changed since then. However, I'd hypothesize
that any change is towards what happens on mobile devices --- the user
goes straight to Google.

jonathon



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Re: window 10 support

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On 07/25/2015 04:07 PM, Brian Barker wrote:

so there will be no funding for support and that consequently there can
be no support.

Apache Foundation infrastructure is setup for the individual projects to
offer Tier 0 support.  Which is what Apache OpenOffice does offer. One
can debate about the quality of said support, but nonetheless it does
exist, and is used by people everyday.

Furthermore, there are organizations that offer Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier
3 support for Apache OpenOffice, albeit said support can cost a very
pretty penny. (Now wondering if that organization that charged
US$1.00/minute for OOo support by phone is still around.)
These organizations are completely independent of anything done by The
Apache Foundation --- if the latter is even aware of their existence.

 There is no customer service.

From a consumer POV, this mailing list is customer service.

jonathon



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Re: Word Counts

[toki]

On 07/14/2015 04:50 PM, Jonathan Allen wrote:

   1. does LibreOffice work with the same rules?

Yes, no, and maybe.

The Maybe part is that how words are counted, depends upon what, and
how LibreOffice has been configured to count words.

The Yes part is that LibreOffice that can count words, using word
boundaries.

The No part, is that LibreOffice that can count words, ignoring word
boundaries.

   2. from an academic point of view, if a word-count limit is set for
  a document, would you expect a best-effort count in OO to be an
  excuse for being a tad over in MS Word?

What ruleset does that academic institution in question use, to
determine the number of words in a document?

More pertinent to the original question, is how does the institution
define word?

Historically, a word is either five successive characters (typing) or
six successive characters (printing), with no consideration being given
to word-boundaries.

jonathon



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Re: Need a download

[toki]

On 07/05/2015 05:24 PM, jd1008 wrote:
 http://sourceforge.net/projects/openofficeorg.mirror/files/4.0.1/

Do note that some anti-malware programs have added SourceForge.net to
the list of blocked domains. And to get off those lists, SourceForge is
going to have to do a lot more than publicly apologize for its nefarious
behaviour.  (Somewhat surprising, one of the anti-malware lists added
SourceForge.net after it had apologized for its practices.)

jonathon



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Re: Need a download

[toki]

On 07/06/2015 10:32 PM, jd1008 wrote:

 Why do you think web sites post all those ads on their pages?

The issue wasn't with the adds on the website, but:
* The malware that SourceForge inflicted upon unsuspecting downloaders;
* Their grabbing of projects, and adding malware to the binary that they
passed off as the real McCoy;

SourceForge is going to have to do a lot more than their public apology
for its malfeasance, to get off those blacklists.

They need cache, not only to pay for basic infrastructure,

Distributing malware is the best way to ensure that the only revenue is
from sources that are not legal.

jonathon

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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[toki]

On 06/27/2015 05:48 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
 Two versions were created, and off hand I don't remember the difference 
 between the versions. 

There were versions for:
* Writer;
* Calc;
* Impress;

I don't remember if the one for Impress made it out of alpha testing.
The one for Calc got as far as limited beta testing.

jonathon



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Re: basic reference for openoffice 4.1.1 use??

[toki]

On 06/27/2015 09:10 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:

 For instance, I want to use a style to change the font color of a
hyperlink.  How do I do this?

Create a hyperlink character style that is incorporated into the main
paragraph style.  Then, change the color in the character style.

jonathon



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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[toki]

On 06/26/2015 08:20 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote:
 Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension?

I think that OOo 1.1.5 is the most recent version that it can be
installed, and run on.

jonathon



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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[toki]

On 06/26/2015 01:57 AM, Julian Thomas wrote:

 I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD 
 have been incorporated into OO.

Did you ever use the Reveal Codes macro/extension for OpenOffice.org?

jonathon



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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

[toki]

On 06/26/2015 12:26 AM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:

 What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor 
 (WP) is in a different style,  you don't know its style until you finish 
 creating it?

Sounds like you are confusing styles, with templates.

 For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists  inventories w/ my 
 WP, 

Are you using styles for presentation markup, semantic markup, or some
other type of markup, or a completely different purpose?

 still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the 
 format I wanted.

I'm going to suggest that despite the hours you invested in trying to
become proficient, you spent barely any time determining what it was,
that you were trying to accomplish.

 What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a
later time, I found the re-editing often undid all
 the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document.

That sounds like you are doing the markup manually, rather than by using
styles. Alternatively, you are saving the resulting document in file
format that does not preserve markup.

jonathon



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