Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-28 Thread John Hart
On 6/27/2015 2:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, John Hart wrote: On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-27 Thread toki
On 06/27/2015 05:48 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Two versions were created, and off hand I don't remember the difference between the versions. There were versions for: * Writer; * Calc; * Impress; I don't remember if the one for Impress made it out of alpha testing. The one for Calc

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-27 Thread elderdanlewis
jjim.mclaugh...@gmail.com Date:06/26/2015 5:11 PM (GMT-05:00) To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user Oh. So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. Typical of the OO

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-27 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 06/27/2015 05:29 AM, toki wrote: On 06/27/2015 05:48 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Two versions were created, and off hand I don't remember the difference between the versions. There were versions for: * Writer; * Calc; * Impress; I don't remember if the one for Impress made it out

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-27 Thread Felmon Davis
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, John Hart wrote: On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Dale Erwin
On 6/25/2015 11:58 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Dale Erwin
On 6/25/2015 8:53 PM, Joe Conner wrote: It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial and experiment and more of an intelligent

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2015-06-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 William and Michele Suepke worryl...@thesuepkes.com: Hi Johnny, You mentioned LibreOffice and OpenOffice. I have been using LibroOffice but now you have interested me into looking into OpenOffice. What do you see as good points? Bill LibreOffice has some nice

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread James Plante
Good luck to you, Doug. To swipe a concept from an old Apple commercial, “The most powerful software is the one people use.” If what you’re using gets the job done, then your question is answered: Use it. WordPerfect, Word and AOo have learning curves; if you don’t need to invest the time on

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Dan Lewis
of text (89,000+ words) and illustrations. I used a wide number of styles in the process. It has the look that I wanted it to have. It was basic second nature. Dan ITo: users@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Anthony Rudgers Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread James Knott
On 06/26/2015 11:45 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy any of my files. We can fix that. ;-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Dan Lewis
On 06/26/2015 12:08 AM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: It's only money. You couldn't be more wrong. With OO 4.1.1 there is no money involved. What is involved is how I choose to employ my time. And with me, and apparently a lot of other people, learning the styles silliness is not worthwhile.

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Doug
On 06/26/2015 12:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: Big snip As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2015-06-26 17:37 GMT+02:00 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net: On 06/26/2015 11:26 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2015-06-26 17:48 GMT+02:00 James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com: On 06/26/2015 11:45 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy any of my files. We can fix that. ;-) Thanks… :P

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Doug
On 06/26/2015 11:26 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread toki
On 06/26/2015 08:20 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension? I think that OOo 1.1.5 is the most recent version that it can be installed, and run on. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Jim McLaughlin
Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension? On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:12 PM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/26/2015 01:57 AM, Julian Thomas wrote: I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD have been incorporated into OO. Did you

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Martin Groenescheij
Big snip Specific examples of typing whatever you want where you want would a great help. Without specifics, there can be no solution to the problem. Then it becomes like a man telling a doctor, I don't feel good over the telephone. The doctor is not likely to tell the man what he

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread toki
On 06/26/2015 01:57 AM, Julian Thomas wrote: I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD have been incorporated into OO. Did you ever use the Reveal Codes macro/extension for OpenOffice.org? jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Julian Thomas
On Jun 26, 2015, at 16:12, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD have been incorporated into OO. Did you ever use the Reveal Codes macro/extension for OpenOffice.org? This must be a well-kept secret! Can you

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Julian Thomas
On Jun 26, 2015, at 17:20, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: If one unzips the OpenOffice format file, the file content.xml contains the underlying xml code which can readily be inspected and modified and the OO file rebuilt. All codes are revealed by this process. not very user

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Larry Gusaas
On 2015-06-26, 4:22 PM Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2015-06-26 23:11 GMT+02:00 Jim McLaughlin jjim.mclaugh...@gmail.com: Oh. So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. Typical of the OO community. Well, I guess it's like everything else. Too few people seems to want the reveal

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread John Hart
On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Bruce Byfield
On Friday 26 June 2015 03:03:18 PM John Hart wrote: On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2015-06-26 23:11 GMT+02:00 Jim McLaughlin jjim.mclaugh...@gmail.com: Oh. So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. Typical of the OO community. Well, I guess it's like everything else. Too few people seems to want the reveal codes functionality, or at least none of them are

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-26 Thread James Plante
Assigning “a” style to a document makes sense only if it’s a one-page document, and doesn’t have any complexity at all: Just straight text. As a real estate appraiser, I produce 200+ page reports that contain may page styles: —Title page, with 0.25 margins, no header/footer, no page number,

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread toki
On 06/26/2015 12:26 AM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? Sounds like you are confusing styles, with templates. For my personal use, I

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Dale Erwin
On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, in

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread thesuepkes
heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial and experiment and more

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread James Knott
On 06/25/2015 01:05 PM, Julian Thomas wrote: I would love to learn to use styles; unfortunately there are no books for OO 4, and the tutorials are not much help. Has anyone written a good introductory 'how to' guide? While it's a bit dated, there's OpenOffice.org 2 Guidebook, by Solveig

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Julian Thomas
On Jun 25, 2015, at 02:10, Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org wrote: I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:05:32 -0400 Julian Thomas j...@jt-mj.net wrote: On Jun 25, 2015, at 02:10, Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org wrote: I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Doug
On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2015-06-25 18:02 GMT+02:00 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net: On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Joe Conner
It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes to choosing a

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Rory O'Farrell
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:53:32 -0700 Joe Conner joeconner2...@gmail.com wrote: It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread toki
On 06/26/2015 01:53 AM, Joe Conner wrote: It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. Is this what you are looking for: Paragraph Styles Name: Default Font: Times New Roman Font Size: 12 point Font Weight:

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Jim McLaughlin
Doug - Thank you for the update re WordPerfect. Being retired these last 12 years, a $ 200.00 version just makes o sense., though I (luckily) can afford it. Just makes no sense as I can't fully deduct it as a business expense. A $ 50.00 version sounds reasonable. I'll have to look in

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Doug
On 06/25/2015 09:57 PM, Julian Thomas wrote: On Jun 25, 2015, at 21:11, Andrew Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: I still have a great fondness for Word Perfect. The Reveal Codes function gave me total control. Even more so than Micro$loth Word. I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Dale Erwin
On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Doug wrote: On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Anthony J. Rudgers
: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the proverbial free

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Andrew Pitonyak
@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Anthony Rudgers Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word.  While

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Dale Erwin
On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the proverbial free lunch, I don't expect to get one. However, I found I can get MS Word to give me the text

Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user

2015-06-25 Thread Martin Groenescheij
Sent from my mobile device. On 25 Jun 2015, at 8:10 am, Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the