Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On 6/27/2015 2:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, John Hart wrote: On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment. A reasonable suggestion not reasonable at all from my point of view. I have to edit a collection of essays once a yr. styles are invaluable. if hitting a line return changed styles, the work would be very difficult. suppose I have a long quotation with indents and containing several paragraphs. I want the line returns to preserve formatting. if I want to drop out of a style I either change the style (some of them I have tied to key combinations) or hit 'clear formatting.' I have a CNC that can do most anything better than a drill press, yet I use the drill press more. It appears by your answer, there is a way for him to do what he wants. It's much better to inform, than call people stupid. (unreasonable) jrh - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On 06/27/2015 05:48 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Two versions were created, and off hand I don't remember the difference between the versions. There were versions for: * Writer; * Calc; * Impress; I don't remember if the one for Impress made it out of alpha testing. The one for Calc got as far as limited beta testing. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
Yes, it does. Then again, it makes me wonder how great reveal codes are. If it were important to many people, shouldn't someone who used them regularly have kept the extension up to date? It would take some time to learn how to do this though. In this case, the person who stated that it should be part of OO should bite the bullet, learn how to create the extension, and do so. Then he/she should keep it up to date. It might prove how important reveal codes really are by the number of downloads of this extension. Dan Original message From: Jim McLaughlin jjim.mclaugh...@gmail.com Date:06/26/2015 5:11 PM (GMT-05:00) To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user Oh. So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. Typical of the OO community. On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:06 PM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/26/2015 08:20 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension? I think that OOo 1.1.5 is the most recent version that it can be installed, and run on. jonathon
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On 06/27/2015 05:29 AM, toki wrote: On 06/27/2015 05:48 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: Two versions were created, and off hand I don't remember the difference between the versions. There were versions for: * Writer; * Calc; * Impress; I don't remember if the one for Impress made it out of alpha testing. The one for Calc got as far as limited beta testing. I have only run these against a Write document, I have not tried with anything else. -- Andrew Pitonyak My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, John Hart wrote: On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment. A reasonable suggestion not reasonable at all from my point of view. I have to edit a collection of essays once a yr. styles are invaluable. if hitting a line return changed styles, the work would be very difficult. suppose I have a long quotation with indents and containing several paragraphs. I want the line returns to preserve formatting. if I want to drop out of a style I either change the style (some of them I have tied to key combinations) or hit 'clear formatting.' You've already told us that you do not intend to learn styles. There is no need to give us more proof that you don't know how to use them. Followed by an /ad hominem response well, wrong tone, we should be civil, but ...; well, anyway, what I'd like to know since I never did more elaborate than write papers in WordPerfect (not requiring much formatting) is how does one format across large documents? suppose I decide that all paragraphs with a certain indentation should also be in italics; I can simply change the style for indented paragraphs of that sort and the change should replicate through the document. what is the facility in WP for that? I think it uses some kind of template? law offices used to use it and they have elaborate requirements. forgive me for not looking but WP people would know right away. f. -- Felmon Davis When it comes to helping you, some people stop at nothing. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On 6/25/2015 11:58 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents written articles in many varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer styles w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a selfie aside, I started in the computer business in 1961, was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to invest one's time effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time energy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time energy in the so-called tried true--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product. Best wishes, If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know that. If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the default style. An exception to this could be if you begin a document by copying from an already existing document in which case it will inherit that existing document's styles. One document can use several different styles. While it can have only one page style, it can have several paragraph styles, etc. In Writer, the info box just to the left of the one containing the name of the font appears the name of the current paragraph style. If you haven't assigned one, it should say Default. OK, that's not quite true. each page of a document can have a different page style (though that's not likely), but each page can have multiple paragraph styles. That's what I was trying to say. You can also create a template containing any special collection of styles you wish. Then, each time you create a document from that template it will have those styles assigned to it. If you do not use a template to create a new document, then that new document will only have access to the system styles. Any styles you create in one document will not be available in another document unless it is done by way of a template. To assign a particular style to a page, give that page the focus, go to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting. Usually this opens a dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page Styles at the top of the box and then double click the style you wish to assign. If you wish to create a new style for your page, right click on any of the styles listed and select New and change it to whatever parameters you wish to set. It will have inherited the parameters of the style you clicked on when you selected New but you can change them to whatever you like and give it a name. Now that's probably all you will need to get started learning about styles. As far as which parameters to set, many of them are intuitive. Dale Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On 6/25/2015 8:53 PM, Joe Conner wrote: It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes to choosing a style. Blessings, Joe If you go to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting, you can examine all of the styles or create new ones. Simply right click on a style and select either Modify (to examine it or even change it) or New (to create a new one). Dale Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
2015-06-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 William and Michele Suepke worryl...@thesuepkes.com: Hi Johnny, You mentioned LibreOffice and OpenOffice. I have been using LibroOffice but now you have interested me into looking into OpenOffice. What do you see as good points? Bill LibreOffice has some nice features that Apache OpenOffice lacks, but LibreOffice has some crazy bugs that seems to only affect me (I never see anyone else complaining)… Several times LibreOffice destroyed spreadsheets and I had to use Apache OpenOffice to restore it again. I think there also was one time when not even Apache OpenOffice could restore it. Fortunately I take backups every day, so at least I don't have to make those spreadsheets from scratch every time… Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy any of my files. *--* *Worry less. Live More.* *Bill Michele Suepke* *(253) 230-9962 ~ Office Why LegalShield? * *(253) 414-4999 ~ Cell * http://www.legalshieldassociate.com/ourvideos/wsuepkeClick here http://www.legalshieldassociate.com/ourvideos/wsuepke www.thesuepkes.com *---Confidentiality Note:This email and any attachment to it is confidential and protected by law and intended for the use of the individual(s) or entity named on the email. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or distribution of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender via return email and delete it completely from your email system. If you have printed a copy of the email, please destroy it immediately.Thank you---* On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Johnny Rosenberg gurus.knu...@gmail.com wrote: 2015-06-25 18:02 GMT+02:00 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net: On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a free word processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly. What price? Styles are easy to learn. However, it seems to me that the OP is talking about auto correction rather than styles, but maybe I'm just wrong about that. And finally another thing: To me, the fact that Apache OpenOffice is free is not that important. It's actually the only office thing I can use. Others either can't be installed on my operating system (for instance MS Office) or they are just plain crap (such as LibreOffice). So MS Office may be 100 times better, but I can still not use it anyway, so it's kind of disqualified in my case. I don't know much about MS Office these days, but last time I used it, I think it was the 2003 version (I had another operating system back then), I couldn't make it do what I wanted. Nothing fancy, but it was very easy to do with OpenOffice.org. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
Good luck to you, Doug. To swipe a concept from an old Apple commercial, “The most powerful software is the one people use.” If what you’re using gets the job done, then your question is answered: Use it. WordPerfect, Word and AOo have learning curves; if you don’t need to invest the time on those learning curves, then common sense would say, “Don’t.” Jim On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 06/26/2015 12:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: Big snip As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the style momentarily--say ALT-F12 or something like that, which would allow you to type whatever you want, where you want it. It could be set to remain in force until the end of line, or perhaps until the end of paragraph. Or perhaps both options--say, one under F11 and the other under F12. --doug What do you mean by type whatever you want and where you want it? Any document I have seen requires much more organization than this. In the end the document will have everything in its place. Otherwise, it will make no sense to the reader. For example, you would want the discussion about a chart to be next to it. You would not want it it be 5 pages apart. Specific examples of typing whatever you want where you want would a great help. Without specifics, there can be no solution to the problem. Then it becomes like a man telling a doctor, I don't feel good over the telephone. The doctor is not likely to tell the man what he needs to do. The doctor needs specifics. Dan A style is a strait-jacket! If you should want to, say, indent something where the style does not allow it, you have to invoke some other style. Or maybe double indent it. Or lots of things that break the style that is presently in force. This strait-jacket is something I encountered a few times, and decided that never again will I try to use this software. I just don't need the hassle! However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment. In the meantime, I am happy with TextMaker in Linux, and WordPerfect in Windows, and short of _at least_ my suggested modifications, I will never bother with OO or LO again. And to make things perfectly clear, I don't give a hoot whether the software I use is FOSS or proprietary or free or reasonably priced, if it makes my computing life simpler and more effective. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents written articles in many varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer styles w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a selfie aside, I started in the computer business in 1961, was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to invest one's time effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time eanergy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time energy in the so-called tried true--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product. Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm It is clear from what you just wrote that you do not understand the difference between using styles and using a template. When you speak of a document having a style, you are really meaning it has all of the individual styles that you want it to have. If you had several documents that used the same styles, it would be worthwhile to create a template with those styles. Then you would not have to create the same styles each time. When the Styles and Formatting window is open, you are given lists of styles: paragraph, character, frame, page, and list. Each paragraph style defines the formatting to be applied to the selected paragraph; character styles define the formating of a single or group of characters within a paragraph; page style defines the layout of the selected page; etc. When I create a document, I will use a variety of paragraph styles depending upon what I want the paragraph to look like. I will also add a character style in some paragraphs to add a color and italics to some of characters in these paragraphs. One thing that I *do not* do is use the styles list across the top of Apache OO. (*B*,/I, /_U_) There are character styles for the first two (strong emphasis, emphasis respectively). An underline character style can quickly be created. Full disclosure: I wrote the original Getting Started with Base chapter for the Getting Started Guide for OOo.org 2.0 in 2003 or there abouts. I was involved with writing Getting Started with Impress around that time as well. My help with documentation goes back to OOo.org 1.03 and probably earlier. During all of this time, I learned how to use styles to accomplish what I wanted to do. It takes time and commitment to learn how to use styles in AOO just as it takes time to learn how to use Word Perfect or MS Word. But once one learns how to use a given word processor, he can do many things that he could not before. Remember, it is always easier to do something the same way you did before than to do it in a different way. I have been using styles for probably 15 years, so I am very comfortable with using them. Recently, I completed a book in ePUB format with 196 pages of text (89,000+ words) and illustrations. I used a wide number of styles in the process. It has the look that I wanted it to have. It was basic second nature. Dan ITo: users@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Anthony Rudgers Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the proverbial free lunch, I don't expect to get one. However, I found I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always. But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word. I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer prepare a document using it without constantly undoing all the things built into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify. Of course I had
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On 06/26/2015 11:45 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy any of my files. We can fix that. ;-) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/26/2015 12:08 AM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: It's only money. You couldn't be more wrong. With OO 4.1.1 there is no money involved. What is involved is how I choose to employ my time. And with me, and apparently a lot of other people, learning the styles silliness is not worthwhile. Please do not make statements that you can not backup with proof. It is highly unlikely that you know the ratio of people who do not use styles to those that do. Also, mentioning silliness has nothing to do with the topic except in your head. In reality, what one person calls silliness would not be what another person would call it. It seems to me that you made a very good point: how people choose to employ their time. Regardless of what word processor a person chooses to use, it takes time to learn how to use it so that the final document is what he wants. This is an excellent use of his time and effort. Not to do this would be silliness. Yes, using AOO without learning how to use styles is silliness. So is using MS Word without learning how to use its ribbons. So is using Word Perfect without learning to use its strong points. Yet, the opposite is also true: using AOO with styles in not silliness; using MS Word with ribbons is not silliness; and using Word Perfect with its strong points is not silliness. So, please do not put down anyone who is doing well with what they have learned just because it is different from what you would do. Dan On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org wrote: On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Doug wrote: On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a free word processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly. --doug Well, no software will give you service if you aren't willing to take the time to learn how to use it. It's only money. Dale Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On 06/26/2015 12:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote: Big snip As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the style momentarily--say ALT-F12 or something like that, which would allow you to type whatever you want, where you want it. It could be set to remain in force until the end of line, or perhaps until the end of paragraph. Or perhaps both options--say, one under F11 and the other under F12. --doug What do you mean by type whatever you want and where you want it? Any document I have seen requires much more organization than this. In the end the document will have everything in its place. Otherwise, it will make no sense to the reader. For example, you would want the discussion about a chart to be next to it. You would not want it it be 5 pages apart. Specific examples of typing whatever you want where you want would a great help. Without specifics, there can be no solution to the problem. Then it becomes like a man telling a doctor, I don't feel good over the telephone. The doctor is not likely to tell the man what he needs to do. The doctor needs specifics. Dan A style is a strait-jacket! If you should want to, say, indent something where the style does not allow it, you have to invoke some other style. Or maybe double indent it. Or lots of things that break the style that is presently in force. This strait-jacket is something I encountered a few times, and decided that never again will I try to use this software. I just don't need the hassle! However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment. In the meantime, I am happy with TextMaker in Linux, and WordPerfect in Windows, and short of _at least_ my suggested modifications, I will never bother with OO or LO again. And to make things perfectly clear, I don't give a hoot whether the software I use is FOSS or proprietary or free or reasonably priced, if it makes my computing life simpler and more effective. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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2015-06-26 17:37 GMT+02:00 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net: On 06/26/2015 11:26 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents written articles in many varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer styles w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a selfie aside, I started in the computer business in 1961, was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to invest one's time effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time eanergy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time energy in the so-called tried true--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product. Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the style momentarily--say ALT-F12 or something like that, which would allow you to type whatever you want, Styles has never prevented me from typing whatever I want. Auto correction has, some times. where you want it. It could be set to remain in force until the end of line, or perhaps until the end of paragraph. Or perhaps both options--say, one under F11 and the other under F12. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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2015-06-26 17:48 GMT+02:00 James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com: On 06/26/2015 11:45 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy any of my files. We can fix that. ;-) Thanks… :P - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/26/2015 11:26 AM, Dan Lewis wrote: On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents written articles in many varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer styles w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a selfie aside, I started in the computer business in 1961, was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to invest one's time effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time eanergy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time energy in the so-called tried true--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product. Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the style momentarily--say ALT-F12 or something like that, which would allow you to type whatever you want, where you want it. It could be set to remain in force until the end of line, or perhaps until the end of paragraph. Or perhaps both options--say, one under F11 and the other under F12. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/26/2015 08:20 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension? I think that OOo 1.1.5 is the most recent version that it can be installed, and run on. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension? On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 1:12 PM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/26/2015 01:57 AM, Julian Thomas wrote: I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD have been incorporated into OO. Did you ever use the Reveal Codes macro/extension for OpenOffice.org? jonathon
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Big snip Specific examples of typing whatever you want where you want would a great help. Without specifics, there can be no solution to the problem. Then it becomes like a man telling a doctor, I don't feel good over the telephone. The doctor is not likely to tell the man what he needs to do. But the doctor will nevertheless send an invoice - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/26/2015 01:57 AM, Julian Thomas wrote: I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD have been incorporated into OO. Did you ever use the Reveal Codes macro/extension for OpenOffice.org? jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On Jun 26, 2015, at 16:12, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD have been incorporated into OO. Did you ever use the Reveal Codes macro/extension for OpenOffice.org? This must be a well-kept secret! Can you provide a specific link? If I click on your link and search on reveal codes, google suggests wordperfect. — jt - j...@jt-mj.net A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history--with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. - Mitch Ratliffe - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On Jun 26, 2015, at 17:20, Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie wrote: If one unzips the OpenOffice format file, the file content.xml contains the underlying xml code which can readily be inspected and modified and the OO file rebuilt. All codes are revealed by this process. not very user friendly! — jt - j...@jt-mj.net This computer ain't junk. This is an antique! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 2015-06-26, 4:22 PM Johnny Rosenberg wrote: 2015-06-26 23:11 GMT+02:00 Jim McLaughlin jjim.mclaugh...@gmail.com: Oh. So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. Typical of the OO community. Well, I guess it's like everything else. Too few people seems to want the reveal codes functionality, or at least none of them are developers. Why would the community create something that they don't want when there are tons of bugs (just like with any other software project of this size) to fix? If you want reveal codes use WordPerfect. If you want styles (much superior in my opinion) use OpenOffice. I found trying to use reveal codes was much more time consuming than using styles. To use reveal codes like in WordPerfect, the developers would have to completely redesign OpenOffice. This issue has been discussed many times over the years and the reasons OpenOffice doesn't use reveal codes explained fully. -- _ Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment. A reasonable suggestion You've already told us that you do not intend to learn styles. There is no need to give us more proof that you don't know how to use them. Followed by an /ad hominem response /
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On Friday 26 June 2015 03:03:18 PM John Hart wrote: On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote: However, if there were to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment. That's what character styles are for. -- Bruce Byfield 604-421-7189 (on Pacific time) https://brucebyfield.wordpress.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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2015-06-26 23:11 GMT+02:00 Jim McLaughlin jjim.mclaugh...@gmail.com: Oh. So that makes it kind of useless in a world of OO 4.1.1. Typical of the OO community. Well, I guess it's like everything else. Too few people seems to want the reveal codes functionality, or at least none of them are developers. Why would the community create something that they don't want when there are tons of bugs (just like with any other software project of this size) to fix? On Fri, Jun 26, 2015 at 2:06 PM, toki toki.kant...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/26/2015 08:20 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: Where does one find this magical sounding macro/extension? I think that OOo 1.1.5 is the most recent version that it can be installed, and run on. jonathon
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Assigning “a” style to a document makes sense only if it’s a one-page document, and doesn’t have any complexity at all: Just straight text. As a real estate appraiser, I produce 200+ page reports that contain may page styles: —Title page, with 0.25 margins, no header/footer, no page number, next page Cover Letter -Cover letter first, with business letter margins, no header/footer, next page Cover Letter More -Cover letter more, (depends on Cover Letter First, inheriting its margins), header with client/report ID, footer with page number. (N.B.: Client/report ID and page number ARE NOT part of the page style.) next page Cover Letter More. —Front matter Right, Report margins 1.5” left, 1” right, 1/2” top/bottom, Header for Client/Report ID, Footer for page#, page numbering starts at 1, page numbering in small roman numerals (i, ii, iii, etc.), next page Front Matter Right. —Front Matter Left, mirrors Front Matter Right, but the wider margin is on the opposite side. -Left Page, Report margins, header, footer, page numbering starts at 1, arabic numbering, next page Right Page -Right Page, same as left page, …and so on. I had a vexing problem trying to include a footer comment that said “Page x of y pages.” The x part is the built-in Page number variable. You’d think that using the Page Count variable would give the desired results, but that sucker counts everything: Title Page, cover letter, front matter, table of contents, the report, and the addenda. So the y part took a bit of finagling: Create the last page of your report/document. Set a cross-reference on it that will migrate to the bottom as you type in the report; name it something like “lastOne.” Then “insert cross reference” for the y part. Now your footer text reads “Page 38 of 89.” As an example, when I add a map on page 38, photos on page 39, and explanatory text on page 40, the footer now reads “Page 40 of 92.” That collection of styles is saved under a template (.OXT file) that contains them all. In addition, the template contains all the paragraph, frame, graphics, and character styles. That report template is for a single type of appraisal report; I have two main types that see regular use, and I’ve built several more that see infrequent use. These are tedious to set up, but I consider it a worthwhile use of time, since in the long run I seldom have to mess with formatting. Maybe that example will make the use of styles a little clearer. Just to oversimplify further, this is a template. You do it once. You open the template whenever you do a new report, and save it under the report name as an .ODT file. Jim On Jun 25, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org wrote: On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents written articles in many varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer styles w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a selfie aside, I started in the computer business in 1961, was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to invest one's time effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time energy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time energy in the so-called tried true--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product. Best wishes, If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know that. If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the default style. An exception to this could be if you begin a document by copying from an already existing document in which case it will inherit that existing document's styles. One document can use several different styles. While it can have only one page style, it can have several paragraph styles, etc. In Writer, the info box just to the left of the one containing the name of the font appears the name of the current paragraph style. If you
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On 06/26/2015 12:26 AM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? Sounds like you are confusing styles, with templates. For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, Are you using styles for presentation markup, semantic markup, or some other type of markup, or a completely different purpose? still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. I'm going to suggest that despite the hours you invested in trying to become proficient, you spent barely any time determining what it was, that you were trying to accomplish. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. That sounds like you are doing the markup manually, rather than by using styles. Alternatively, you are saving the resulting document in file format that does not preserve markup. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents written articles in many varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer styles w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a selfie aside, I started in the computer business in 1961, was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to invest one's time effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time energy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time energy in the so-called tried true--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product. Best wishes, If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know that. If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the default style. An exception to this could be if you begin a document by copying from an already existing document in which case it will inherit that existing document's styles. One document can use several different styles. While it can have only one page style, it can have several paragraph styles, etc. In Writer, the info box just to the left of the one containing the name of the font appears the name of the current paragraph style. If you haven't assigned one, it should say Default. You can also create a template containing any special collection of styles you wish. Then, each time you create a document from that template it will have those styles assigned to it. If you do not use a template to create a new document, then that new document will only have access to the system styles. Any styles you create in one document will not be available in another document unless it is done by way of a template. To assign a particular style to a page, give that page the focus, go to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting. Usually this opens a dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page Styles at the top of the box and then double click the style you wish to assign. If you wish to create a new style for your page, right click on any of the styles listed and select New and change it to whatever parameters you wish to set. It will have inherited the parameters of the style you clicked on when you selected New but you can change them to whatever you like and give it a name. Now that's probably all you will need to get started learning about styles. As far as which parameters to set, many of them are intuitive. Dale Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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What is ment by style?Bill Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S® 6.Bill Suepke Legalshield Original message From: Joe Conner joeconner2...@gmail.com Date: 06/25/2015 6:53 PM (GMT-08:00) To: users@openoffice.apache.org Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes to choosing a style. Blessings, Joe On 6/25/2015 9:02 AM, Doug wrote: On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a free word processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/25/2015 01:05 PM, Julian Thomas wrote: I would love to learn to use styles; unfortunately there are no books for OO 4, and the tutorials are not much help. Has anyone written a good introductory 'how to' guide? While it's a bit dated, there's OpenOffice.org 2 Guidebook, by Solveig Haugland. It has a 30 page chapter on styles. http://www.amazon.com/The-OpenOffice-org-Guidebook-Solveig-Haugland/dp/0974312029 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On Jun 25, 2015, at 02:10, Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org wrote: I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. I would love to learn to use styles; unfortunately there are no books for OO 4, and the tutorials are not much help. Has anyone written a good introductory 'how to' guide? — jt - j...@jt-mj.net PUBLIC NOTICE: Any use of this message, in any manner whatsoever, will increase the amount of disorder in the universe. Although no liability is implied herein, the consumer is warned that this process will ultimately lead to the heat death of the universe. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:05:32 -0400 Julian Thomas j...@jt-mj.net wrote: On Jun 25, 2015, at 02:10, Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org wrote: I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. I would love to learn to use styles; unfortunately there are no books for OO 4, and the tutorials are not much help. Has anyone written a good introductory 'how to' guide? Any of the OO 3 books are OK for teaching about Styles. Try also https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Writer/Styles http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2005/12/all_about_style.html Anything on Open-/Libre-Office by Jean Hollis Weber or Solveig Haugland will be sound, clear and most helpful. — jt - j...@jt-mj.net PUBLIC NOTICE: Any use of this message, in any manner whatsoever, will increase the amount of disorder in the universe. Although no liability is implied herein, the consumer is warned that this process will ultimately lead to the heat death of the universe. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a free word processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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2015-06-25 18:02 GMT+02:00 Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net: On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a free word processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly. What price? Styles are easy to learn. However, it seems to me that the OP is talking about auto correction rather than styles, but maybe I'm just wrong about that. And finally another thing: To me, the fact that Apache OpenOffice is free is not that important. It's actually the only office thing I can use. Others either can't be installed on my operating system (for instance MS Office) or they are just plain crap (such as LibreOffice). So MS Office may be 100 times better, but I can still not use it anyway, so it's kind of disqualified in my case. I don't know much about MS Office these days, but last time I used it, I think it was the 2003 version (I had another operating system back then), I couldn't make it do what I wanted. Nothing fancy, but it was very easy to do with OpenOffice.org. Kind regards Johnny Rosenberg ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes to choosing a style. Blessings, Joe On 6/25/2015 9:02 AM, Doug wrote: On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a free word processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:53:32 -0700 Joe Conner joeconner2...@gmail.com wrote: It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes to choosing a style. Blessings, Joe A list of and description of the styles is given at https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71t=48530 RoryOF On 6/25/2015 9:02 AM, Doug wrote: On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a free word processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org . - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org -- Rory O'Farrell ofarr...@iol.ie - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/26/2015 01:53 AM, Joe Conner wrote: It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the various styles in the standard install. Is this what you are looking for: Paragraph Styles Name: Default Font: Times New Roman Font Size: 12 point Font Weight:normal Font Colour:black Indentation:0 Justification: ragged right Line spacing: single Style Relationship: This is the basic style. All other styles use this as their original parameters. Used for: This style is suitable for large blocks of text. If all you want to do, is write text, and forget about either semantic markup, or presentation markup, use this style. Name: next font, blah, blah, blah. jonathon signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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Doug - Thank you for the update re WordPerfect. Being retired these last 12 years, a $ 200.00 version just makes o sense., though I (luckily) can afford it. Just makes no sense as I can't fully deduct it as a business expense. A $ 50.00 version sounds reasonable. I'll have to look in detail in to the differences between the two versions. I do need a fully functional spread sheet program integrated into the suite. No need for a presentation program or a database anny more. Again,, thank you for the tip. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote: On 06/25/2015 08:57 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote: Anthony - I'm with you. The whole styles approach is ridiculous. I still have a great fondness for Word Perfect. The Reveal Codes function gave me total control. Even more so than Micro$loth Word. Sadly, for all practical purposes, Word Perfect is functionally dead. WP just came out with a new version, that can read and write all the MS versions as well as its own. Standard edition is $200. http://www.wordperfect.com/us/product/office-suite/?promo=2968gclid=CKTG_qSsrMYCFVg8gQodrLcB-Q However, home and student edition is $50! http://www.amazon.com/WordPerfect-Office-X7-Home-Student/dp/B00JC5Y6YA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1435287173sr=8-1keywords=wordperfect+x7 I haven't researched the difference, but I'm reasonably sure that you'd get at least the complete word processor for your 50 bucks. --doug - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 06/25/2015 09:57 PM, Julian Thomas wrote: On Jun 25, 2015, at 21:11, Andrew Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: I still have a great fondness for Word Perfect. The Reveal Codes function gave me total control. Even more so than Micro$loth Word. I totally agree - Reveal Codes was a superb and valuable feature that SHOULD have been incorporated into OO. OO wouldn't be able to use it. The first time you tried to enter something you found in Reveal Codes it would violate the damn style! — jt - j...@jt-mj.net When in doubt tell the truth. -Mark Twain - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
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On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Doug wrote: On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: /snip/ I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a free word processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly. --doug Well, no software will give you service if you aren't willing to take the time to learn how to use it. It's only money. Dale Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents written articles in many varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer styles w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a selfie aside, I started in the computer business in 1961, was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to invest one's time effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time energy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time energy in the so-called tried true--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product. Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm -Original Message- From: Dale Erwin Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:10 AM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Anthony Rudgers Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the proverbial free lunch, I don't expect to get one. However, I found I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always. But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word. I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer prepare a document using it without constantly undoing all the things built into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify. Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep price to get a WP that served my needs, but my time is valuable to me too, so the ease of use the reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost in the long run. I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
I have found styles a real time saver... Imagine a 600 page document and you device that you want top change the don't color of all identifiers for contained coffee examples. I can do it very quickly. For what I refer to as garbage documents (quick letters, half page simple formatting, etc) it helps little. If you ate already well versed in their use or is generally easier to use them than not, but you can usually must ignore them and it does not matter. I have a friend who uses word perfect. In all her documents she set spacing in her paragraphs by adding spaces. She saw no use for that whole setting the margins and indents.. Until she had to change them and / or insert text. On Jun 25, 2015 7:57 PM, Jim McLaughlin jjim.mclaugh...@gmail.com wrote: Anthony - I'm with you. The whole styles approach is ridiculous. I still have a great fondness for Word Perfect. The Reveal Codes function gave me total control. Even more so than Micro$loth Word. Sadly, for all practical purposes, Word Perfect is functionally dead. OO is a poor second, IMHO. On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers anthonyrudg...@att.net wrote: What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different style, you don't know its style until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents written articles in many varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer styles w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a selfie aside, I started in the computer business in 1961, was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to invest one's time effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time energy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time energy in the so-called tried true--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product. Best wishes, Anthony J. Rudgers Orlando, FL Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm -Original Message- From: Dale Erwin Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:10 AM To: users@openoffice.apache.org Cc: Anthony Rudgers Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the proverbial free lunch, I don't expect to get one. However, I found I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always. But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word. I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer prepare a document using it without constantly undoing all the things built into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify. Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep price to get a WP that served my needs, but my time is valuable to me too, so the ease of use the reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost in the long run. I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the proverbial free lunch, I don't expect to get one. However, I found I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always. But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word. I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer prepare a document using it without constantly undoing all the things built into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify. Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep price to get a WP that served my needs, but my time is valuable to me too, so the ease of use the reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost in the long run. I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the Joe 6-Pack word processor user
Sent from my mobile device. On 25 Jun 2015, at 8:10 am, Dale Erwin dale.er...@casaerwin.org wrote: On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote: As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the proverbial free lunch, I don't expect to get one. However, I found I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always. But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word. I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer prepare a document using it without constantly undoing all the things built into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify. Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep price to get a WP that served my needs, but my time is valuable to me too, so the ease of use the reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost in the long run. I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them. Dale Erwin And if you don't use styles you can create the same mess as with MS Word, they benefit of styles is that others can easily update your document without manually reformat everything. So, if you the only one working on the document and don't need to change it afterwards use the default style, otherwise learning styles will benefit on the long term. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.apache.org
