Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-28 Thread Szládovics Péter 

2016-01-28 15:12 keltezéssel, Marc Patermann írta:

Am 27.01.2016 um 21:23 Uhr schrieb Szládovics Péter:

2016-01-27 15:02 keltezéssel, Marc Patermann írta:

Documentation is far better than i.e. at *openXchange*...


BTW it's existing yet?

who cares …


You're absolutely right... :)
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-28 Thread Marc Patermann 

Am 27.01.2016 um 21:23 Uhr schrieb Szládovics Péter:

2016-01-27 15:02 keltezéssel, Marc Patermann írta:

Documentation is far better than i.e. at *openXchange*...


BTW it's existing yet?

who cares …
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Charles Marcus 
On 1/27/2016 3:22 PM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
> 2016-01-27 19:38 keltezéssel, Tanstaafl írta:
>> On 1/27/2016 10:22 AM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
>>> It does support EAS? Zimbra/Zentyal does.
>>> IredMail absolutely not similar with SOGo... :)
>> Not similar - it *uses* SOGo for the Groupware features, if you elect to
>> use them.
>>
>> http://www.iredmail.org/features.html#caldav_carddav
>>
>> Note where it says:
>>
>> "Note: These 2 services require SOGo Groupware, if you need them, please
>> choose to install SOGo during iRedMail installation."
>
> Not exactly...

Not exactly... what?

> Less:
> http://www.iredmail.org/download.html
> "SOGo groupware provides webmail, calendar (CalDAV), contacts
> (CardDAV), tasks and memo/notes services.

Yes, that is what I said: Groupware features.

> *Full/native Exchange protocol support requires OpenChange and Samba4,
> but they're not integrated in iRedMail, so iRedMail doesn't provide
> full/native support for Microsoft Outlook clients*, Apple Mail.app and
> iOS devices. BlackBerry 10 works fine. Check our documents
> 
> to setup these supported clients."
>
> Oups...

Oups is right. You're confusing 'Exchange' features with 'Groupware'
features.

I never said anything about Exchange.

>> Personally I prefer doing it myself (I like postfixadmin for managing
>> my user db), but nothing wrong with iRedMail. 
>
> I prefer one of any text editor :)

Which is fine if you only have a few users, but for a large
installation, a DB is a necessity, and you can't manage a (real) DB with
a text editor.
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Szládovics Péter 

2016-01-27 15:02 keltezéssel, Marc Patermann írta:

Documentation is far better than i.e. at *openXchange*...


BTW it's existing yet?
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Szládovics Péter 

2016-01-27 21:29 keltezéssel, Charles Marcus írta:

On 1/27/2016 3:22 PM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:

2016-01-27 19:38 keltezéssel, Tanstaafl írta:

On 1/27/2016 10:22 AM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
It does support EAS? Zimbra/Zentyal does. IredMail absolutely not 
similar with SOGo... :)

Not similar - it *uses* SOGo for the Groupware features, if you elect to
use them.

http://www.iredmail.org/features.html#caldav_carddav

Note where it says:

"Note: These 2 services require SOGo Groupware, if you need them, please
choose to install SOGo during iRedMail installation."


Not exactly...


Not exactly... what?


Less:
http://www.iredmail.org/download.html
"SOGo groupware provides webmail, calendar (CalDAV), contacts 
(CardDAV), tasks and memo/notes services.


Yes, that is what I said: Groupware features.

*Full/native Exchange protocol support requires OpenChange and 
Samba4, but they're not integrated in iRedMail, so iRedMail doesn't 
provide full/native support for Microsoft Outlook clients*, Apple 
Mail.app and iOS devices. BlackBerry 10 works fine. Check our 
documents 
 
to setup these supported clients."


Oups...


Oups is right. You're confusing 'Exchange' features with 'Groupware' 
features.


I never said anything about Exchange.


But I did :)
/red above/

Personally I prefer doing it myself (I like postfixadmin for 
managing my user db), but nothing wrong with iRedMail. 


I prefer one of any text editor :)


Which is fine if you only have a few users, but for a large 
installation, a DB is a necessity, and you can't manage a (real) DB 
with a text editor.


My users in Samba AD. Postfix and Dovecot configurations are in a text file.
ldif files (if necessary) can create with any editor. But you are right, 
a domain member windows with server admin tools is better than an editor 
for manage AD users :)

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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Szládovics Péter 

2016-01-27 19:38 keltezéssel, Tanstaafl írta:

On 1/27/2016 10:22 AM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:

It does support EAS? Zimbra/Zentyal does.
IredMail absolutely not similar with SOGo... :)

Not similar - it *uses* SOGo for the Groupware features, if you elect to
use them.

http://www.iredmail.org/features.html#caldav_carddav

Note where it says:

"Note: These 2 services require SOGo Groupware, if you need them, please
choose to install SOGo during iRedMail installation."


Not exactly... Less:
http://www.iredmail.org/download.html
"SOGo groupware provides webmail, calendar (CalDAV), contacts (CardDAV), 
tasks and memo/notes services. *Full/native Exchange protocol support 
requires OpenChange and Samba4, but they're not integrated in iRedMail, 
so iRedMail doesn't provide full/native support for Microsoft Outlook 
clients*, Apple Mail.app and iOS devices. BlackBerry 10 works fine. 
Check our documents 
 
to setup these supported clients."


Oups...


So, IredMail just an admin frontend for some backend solutions,

No, that would be iRedAdmin-Pro (commercial). iRedMail itself is free,
open source, and basically makes it easy to install everything and get
it working together.

Personally I prefer doing it myself (I like postfixadmin for managing my
user db), but nothing wrong with iRedMail.


I prefer one of any text editor :)
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Szládovics Péter 

2016-01-27 13:40 keltezéssel, Zhang Huangbin írta:

On Jan 27, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:

Others? - What kind of similar alternative has same features?

iRedMail: http://www.iredmail.org/ :)


It does support EAS? Zimbra/Zentyal does.
IredMail absolutely not similar with SOGo... :)

So, IredMail just an admin frontend for some backend solutions, but 
doesn't support all features of them, and you get problems, when you 
configure some backend services with your hand.

In mí opinion the IredMail just a toy for home only :)
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Marc Patermann 

Chris,

Am 26.01.2016 um 20:46 Uhr schrieb Chris:

why have you chosen SOGo? I'm looking for a groupware. SOGo is so far my
favorite, but there are some other (also free) alternatives. Which
programs have you tested? What were advantages / disadvantages?

as said by others:
- great integration in Thunderbird (hope this will stay with us …)
- integration in our existing infrastructure
  -- stay with your IMAP server (other than Zarafa)
  -- stay with your SMTP server
  -- only little change in our LDAP objects was needed

Documentation is far better than i.e. at openXchange, where we were not 
able to install and integrate a test server in our environment.


With Thunderbird as our mail client for Linux and Windows new users only 
need to type mail address and passwort - thanks to automx! - restart 
Thunderd and type password for SOGo again and they are ready to use mail 
and calendar.


Integrating SOGo with SOGoSync and an MDM is on the list.


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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Tanstaafl 
On 1/27/2016 7:40 AM, Zhang Huangbin  wrote:
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
>>
>> Others? - What kind of similar alternative has same features?
> 
> iRedMail: http://www.iredmail.org/ :)

Which uses SOGo for the Groupware part...

:)
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Tanstaafl 
On 1/27/2016 10:22 AM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
> It does support EAS? Zimbra/Zentyal does.
> IredMail absolutely not similar with SOGo... :)

Not similar - it *uses* SOGo for the Groupware features, if you elect to
use them.

http://www.iredmail.org/features.html#caldav_carddav

Note where it says:

"Note: These 2 services require SOGo Groupware, if you need them, please
choose to install SOGo during iRedMail installation."

> So, IredMail just an admin frontend for some backend solutions,

No, that would be iRedAdmin-Pro (commercial). iRedMail itself is free,
open source, and basically makes it easy to install everything and get
it working together.

Personally I prefer doing it myself (I like postfixadmin for managing my
user db), but nothing wrong with iRedMail.
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Sven Schwedas 
On 2016-01-27 13:53, Martin Simovic wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have tested many groupware solutions out there, Zimbra, Zarafa amongst
> others. SOGo turned out to be the best. 
> SOGo is not perfect. But we struggled to find anything closely as good
> as SOGo.
> 
> SOGo plugs into existing infrastructure (IMAP, SMTP server,
> Authentication backed) and does not try to reinvent the wheel.

Amen to that.

We used to use Exchange. When we decided to ditch it, we had to rip out
and replace our whole mailing infrastructure.

We replaced it with Univention Corporate Server. When we decided to
upgrade a single part, we had rip out and replace our whole domain
infrastructure.

Now, we have a bunch of isolated components – SMTP, Antispam, IMAP,
Groupware, … –, and we can upgrade or replace any single one without
getting into trouble with the rest.

> Best Regards
> Martin.
> 
>> On 26 Jan 2016, at 20:46, Chris > > wrote:
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> why have you chosen SOGo? I'm looking for a groupware. SOGo is so far my
>> favorite, but there are some other (also free) alternatives. Which
>> programs have you tested? What were advantages / disadvantages?
>>
>> - Chris
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Steve Ankeny 

On 01/27/2016 04:18 AM, Alessandro Briosi wrote:

We don't need to emulate Exchange so I cannot say how it works, but it
might be a very big advantage to the customers using Outlook (which also
works with ActiveSync btw)


It's the "exchange" part that fails for us, and that's handled by 
OpenChange.


As both Alessandro and Péter write, SOGo "sits on top" of your 
infrastructure, and it does a great job.


You have to learn about Postfix, Dovecot or Cyrus, MySQL or PostgreSQL, 
Apache, etc., but it's worth it.



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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Zhang Huangbin 

> On Jan 27, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Szládovics Péter  wrote:
> 
> Others? - What kind of similar alternative has same features?

iRedMail: http://www.iredmail.org/ :)


Zhang Huangbin, founder of iRedMail project: http://www.iredmail.org/
Time zone: GMT+8 (China/Beijing).
Looking for opportunity to move from China to another country.

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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Steve Ankeny 

On 01/26/2016 02:46 PM, Chris wrote:

Dear All,

why have you chosen SOGo? I'm looking for a groupware. SOGo is so far my
favorite, but there are some other (also free) alternatives. Which
programs have you tested? What were advantages / disadvantages?

- Chris



We chose SOGo originally for the shared calendars, and since we used 
Thunderbird exclusively, it served us well.  However, once our business 
grew a dependency on Outlook connectivity, we've been disappointed.


It's not SOGo that's disappointed but OpenChange, as we've never got it 
to work correctly in our domain.


SOGo does extremely well with small, medium and large organizations.  
There are some who use it with several thousand users, and I 
congratulate them on their ability to make it work, but OpenChange does 
not work for us.


My users have moved to a Citrix portal offering Microsoft Outlook and 
other Microsoft products.


What you need to do is assess how you want to use SOGo  What are the 
needs of your organization?  If you need webmail or Thunderbird 
connectivity, SOGo is one of the best groupware & calendar solutions 
available.




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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Martin Simovic 
Hi,

I have tested many groupware solutions out there, Zimbra, Zarafa amongst 
others. SOGo turned out to be the best. 
SOGo is not perfect. But we struggled to find anything closely as good as SOGo.

SOGo plugs into existing infrastructure (IMAP, SMTP server, Authentication 
backed) and does not try to reinvent the wheel.

Best Regards
Martin.

> On 26 Jan 2016, at 20:46, Chris  wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> why have you chosen SOGo? I'm looking for a groupware. SOGo is so far my
> favorite, but there are some other (also free) alternatives. Which
> programs have you tested? What were advantages / disadvantages?
> 
> - Chris
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Szládovics Péter 

2016-01-26 20:46 keltezéssel, Chris írta:

Dear All,

why have you chosen SOGo? I'm looking for a groupware. SOGo is so far my
favorite, but there are some other (also free) alternatives.


What alternatives do you think about?
Zentyal? - Free (Community) edition has no support, but it contains SOGo 
too...
Zimbra? - Free (Open Source) edition has limited features too... 
https://www.zimbra.com/email-server-software/product-edition-comparison/

Others? - What kind of similar alternative has same features?

What do you talking about exactly? What features are needed for you?

With SOGo - I'm free.
- User authentication/authorization type is my decision.
- IMAP server type is my decision.
- SQL server type is my decision.
- Other settings (SMTP, Sieve, quota, etc) are all my decisions.

What can I get from any complex (click-click-finish) systems? Freedom 
like above? No, I don't think so - just lot of dependencies.
SOGo is complicated than other systems? Of course, because it is a part 
of a big picture, what you need to finished - a challenge, what you need 
to done. And you need a lot of Linux knowledge for success.
If you don't have enough time, knowledge, patience, endurance and 
volition, then you will fail. But if you win the fight, then you will 
proud and happy :)



Which programs have you tested? What were advantages / disadvantages?


SOGo :) And I'm satisfied :)
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Alessandro Briosi 
Il 26/01/2016 20:46, Chris ha scritto:
> Dear All,
>
> why have you chosen SOGo? I'm looking for a groupware. SOGo is so far my
> favorite, but there are some other (also free) alternatives. Which
> programs have you tested? What were advantages / disadvantages?

Personally because it integrates with the current infrastructure we have
as it's independent from the mail system below (postfix,dovecot,mysql,
etc). All the others I know require specific software to be used.

And also 'cause of the integration with Thunderbird and ActiveSync.

It's a very good product, and it has proven to be very stable and fast.
ActiveSync needs probably more work, as it tends to use lots of
resources (it got better with latest releases).

We don't need to emulate Exchange so I cannot say how it works, but it
might be a very big advantage to the customers using Outlook (which also
works with ActiveSync btw)


One "defect" I found is that it misses a simple way to personalize the
web interface. Though I am not really sure I like the new GUI version
created with Angular (but that's personal), I think this should be
solved with the new release ...

The other eventual disadvantage/advantage is that it must be compiled,
it's not interpreted as many new web technologies, so it's fast but it
cannot be used on shared hosts or anything. The compiled packages exist
for all major Linux distributions so it's not difficult to setup.

This are my 2 cents

Ciao.
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Re: [SOGo] Why have you choosen SOGO?

2016-01-27 Thread Infoo Matic 

On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 20:46 CET, "Chris"  wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> why have you chosen SOGo? I'm looking for a groupware. SOGo is so far my
> favorite, but there are some other (also free) alternatives. Which
> programs have you tested? What were advantages / disadvantages?

simply put: SOGo is great. My answer here: 
https://lists.inverse.ca/sogo/arc/users/2015-07/msg00132.html
 ... maybe this thread is interesting for you.

Best regards,
infoomatic

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