Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Loren Wilton
Keep in mind that freedon of speech says that you can stand in the park on a soapbox and shout. It does NOT say that passers-by are forced to stand there and listen to you until you run out of voice. They can walk away any time they want to. It also does not say that the local newspaper is

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Eric Broch
When business and government are in bed together to silence dissent then yes it is a violation of the 1st amendment. Under the terms of their establishment certain businesses cannot prohibit dissent (freedom to speak). Private individuals have no authority to prohibit freedom of speech.

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Linda A. Walsh
One thing to be aware of. There is no 1st Amendment Right associated with any business entity or private person. The guarantees apply to US government and whether or not they can censor what you say. I would suspect governments use something more advanced than SA that costs thousands of times

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread jdow
On 20201120 18:35:35, noel.but...@ausics.net wrote: On 2020-11-21 04:59, Jakob Curdes wrote: To all: please also rememember that this list is international and not every corner of the world is interested in the way the current conflicts in the U.S. are handled. well said! Or, in other

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread noel . butler
On 2020-11-21 04:59, Jakob Curdes wrote: To all: please also rememember that this list is international and not every corner of the world is interested in the way the current conflicts in the U.S. are handled. well said! Or, in other words, the Nth amendment is part of the U.S.

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Eric Broch
Dealing with spam from spammers takes up time that could be spent doing profitable tasks. In other words it wastes resources not only of the end-user having to sort through 100 bad emails to get to 2 good emails (which I've dealt with) but for IT departments having to spend hours trying to

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Grant Taylor
On 11/20/20 5:02 PM, Jay Plesset wrote: You have a right to say what you want. s/You have/You (largely) have/ There are specific things that are forbidden by law. E.g. yelling fire in a movie theater when there isn't a fire. I have a right to ignore you. Hear! Hear! Also, it's my

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Eric Broch
And... Ultimately, does the Creator--the author of rights--sanction the harassment of and theft from others by spammers. On 11/20/2020 4:59 PM, Eric Broch wrote: It's a given people on this side of the argument don't like spam, your conclusion being correct, it still comes down to

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Jay Plesset
I think this argument is sort of odd.  Here is my take: You have a right to say what you want. I have a right to ignore you. Spam filtering allows me to exercise my right to ignore you. jay  plesset, IT director. D. P. Design On 11/20/2020 3:59 PM, Eric Broch wrote: It's a given people on

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Eric Broch
It's a given people on this side of the argument don't like spam, your conclusion being correct, it still comes down to preference. They prefer sending spam you prefer they didn't. They, ERRONEOUSLY, justify sending spam using a political argument (*their protected right), our side is

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Rob McEwen
On 11/20/2020 4:59 PM, Charles Sprickman wrote: non-profit stuff in the US is EXEMPT from CAN-SPAM, so they don’t even have to play by the rules still, that doesn't give them a free pass to the inbox, or prevent them from potentially getting listed on an anti-spam list. MANY spammers that

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Charles Sprickman
> On Nov 20, 2020, at 4:45 PM, Rob McEwen wrote: > > On 11/20/2020 4:37 PM, Eric Broch wrote: >> It seems spammers are using political arguments to justify their actions. >> I'll give them credit, at least they're trying to justify what they do by >> something greater than (outside of)

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Rob McEwen
On 11/20/2020 4:37 PM, Eric Broch wrote: It seems spammers are using political arguments to justify their actions. I'll give them credit, at least they're trying to justify what they do by something greater than (outside of) themselves, albeit wrongly. It seems people on this side of the

Re: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread RW
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 10:28:52 -0800 (PST) John Hardin wrote: > On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, Philipp Ewald wrote: > > > On my freemail-account i got this kind of email too so i thought > > maybe there will be a Blacklist for this kind of SPAM. > > ... > > > Thanks for contact BLABLALBA > > > > Your

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Eric Broch
It seems spammers are using political arguments to justify their actions. I'll give them credit, at least they're trying to justify what they do by something greater than (outside of) themselves, albeit wrongly. It seems people on this side of the argument want to jettison politics (and

Re: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread Levente Birta
Hi, On 20/11/2020 20:46, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Philipp are these spam using things like Google forms for spam? If so, take a look at KAM.cf on mcgrail.com, we've added a number of rules to combat those recently. BTW, anyone willing to test the KAM channel?  We've got it in production use

Re: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: Philipp are these spam using things like Google forms for spam? If so, take a look at KAM.cf on mcgrail.com, we've added a number of rules to combat those recently. There are also Google Docs rules in the base ruleset that should catch that.

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Jakob Curdes
Am 20.11.2020 um 15:59 schrieb AJ Weber: On 11/20/2020 9:28 AM, @lbutlr wrote: A whole lot of people have decided their right to free speech means an obligation from others to listen to them. It's not just spammers, it's also racists, fascists, republicans, and god-botherers. I think you

Re: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Philipp are these spam using things like Google forms for spam? If so, take a look at KAM.cf on mcgrail.com, we've added a number of rules to combat those recently. BTW, anyone willing to test the KAM channel?  We've got it in production use for a while now. Regards, KAM On 11/20/2020

Re: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, Philipp Ewald wrote: On my freemail-account i got this kind of email too so i thought maybe there will be a Blacklist for this kind of SPAM. ... Thanks for contact BLABLALBA Your Text to us: SPAM This looks like abuse of a web-based feedback form at alnatura.de; they

Re: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread Benny Pedersen
Philipp Ewald skrev den 2020-11-20 19:08: nope i will check spamassassin for more "low" volume services URIBL provides public lookups over DNS for low volume usage. If you spam check a large amount of email, or you use a shared DNS platform for resolution, you may receive a response

Re: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread Philipp Ewald
nope i will check spamassassin for more "low" volume services URIBL provides public lookups over DNS for low volume usage. If you spam check a large amount of email, or you use a shared DNS platform for resolution, you may receive a response saying the query was refused. we have a

Re: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread Benny Pedersen
Philipp Ewald skrev den 2020-11-20 18:52: X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.526 X-Spam-Level: + X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.526 tagged_above=- required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_HTML_ONLY=0.723, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001]

Re: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread Philipp Ewald
On 11/20/20 6:41 PM, Marc Roos wrote: Url blacklists? Maybe paste some headers here? Not real URL Blacklist. On my freemail-account i got this kind of email too so i thought maybe there will be a Blacklist for this kind of SPAM. X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.901 X-Spam-Level: +

RE: contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread Marc Roos
Url blacklists? Maybe paste some headers here? -Original Message- To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: contact from blacklist Hi everyone, lately I get more and more spam from so called contact forms. Does anyone know a blacklist for this? Kind regards Philipp -- Philipp

contact from blacklist

2020-11-20 Thread Philipp Ewald
Hi everyone, lately I get more and more spam from so called contact forms. Does anyone know a blacklist for this? Kind regards Philipp -- Philipp Ewald Administrator DigiOnline GmbH, Probsteigasse 15 - 19, 50670 Köln Fax: +49 221 6500-690, E-Mail: philipp.ew...@digionline.de AG Köln HRB

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020, AJ Weber wrote: I think you should keep politics out of this. +1 *PLEASE* -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.org pgpk -a jhar...@impsec.org key: 0xB8732E79 -- 2D8C 34F4 6411 F507 136C AF76

RE: What can one do abut outlook.com?

2020-11-20 Thread Marc Roos
Thanks for the update! Although I am not really an advocate for blocking people. -Original Message- To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: What can one do abut outlook.com? On 26/10/20 5:17 am, Marc Roos wrote: >> make a reality check outside your small bubble! > typical

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread AJ Weber
On 11/20/2020 9:28 AM, @lbutlr wrote: A whole lot of people have decided their right to free speech means an obligation from others to listen to them. It's not just spammers, it's also racists, fascists, republicans, and god-botherers. I think you should keep politics out of this.  If I want

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread @lbutlr
On 19 Nov 2020, at 14:25, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: > So over the years, I have gotten a lot of complaints from spammers about how > I'm breaking their 1st amendment rights by blocking their spam as free > speech. I've had to explain that I'm not the government and hence there are > no 1st

Re: Apache SpamAssassin and Spammers 1st Amendment Rights

2020-11-20 Thread Eric Broch
In summation the Bill of Rights (1-10 amendments) protects (or is supposed to protect) the life, liberty, and property of the individual from abuse by the newly created government and are commands of the people to this governments' servants. If I tell one child not to draw on the walls with