Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-28 Thread Martyn Drake
Steven Dickenson wrote: You might be able to get your security group to take responsibility for it. Many enterprises now consider first-line email servers something of an application-level proxy, particularly first-line servers that handle spam and malware filtering. In these cases, they're

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread Martyn Drake
JamesDR wrote: As far as ease of setup? When I first started with SA I was more of the doze admin than the Linux admin. I've been doing Linux stuff since around 1996/1997 and have my own dedicated server that I get to ruin^H^H^H^play with before rolling it across work-related matters. I'd

RE: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread Peuhkurinen, Kevin
Title: RE: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions 2 hours is better than an hour and a half? {O,o} (Yes, I know that you were free to do other stuff while on hold with SpamAssassin. The numbers just sort of tickled me.) Well, of course, let's assume another 30 minutes for the second

RE: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread aecioneto
2 hours is better than an hour and a half? {O,o} (Yes, I know that you were free to do other stuff while on hold with SpamAssassin. The numbers just sort of tickled me.) Well, of course, let's assume another 30 minutes for the second level support person to finally fix my

RE: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread aecioneto
2 hours is better than an hour and a half? {O,o} (Yes, I know that you were free to do other stuff while on hold with SpamAssassin. The numbers just sort of tickled me.) Well, of course, let's assume another 30 minutes for the second level support person to finally fix my

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread Lima Union
On 5/27/05, aecioneto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 hours is better than an hour and a half? {O,o} (Yes, I know that you were free to do other stuff while on hold with SpamAssassin. The numbers just sort of tickled me.) Hi there, Any idea how many 'commercial solutions'

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lima Union writes: On 5/27/05, aecioneto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 hours is better than an hour and a half? {O,o} (Yes, I know that you were free to do other stuff while on hold with SpamAssassin. The numbers just sort of

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread Kelson
David B Funk wrote: Yes, but don't forget, while Kevin was on hold waiting for his SA support message -he- got to pick the music that he listened to rather than being forced to listen to the commercial vender's 'elevator muzak' and ads, makes the price all the easier to take. ;) That probably

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread Martyn Drake
Lima Union wrote: Any idea how many 'commercial solutions' depend on SA ? The Barracuda does IIRC and doesn't MessageLabs also use SA (amongst other things)? Regards, Martyn

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread Steven Dickenson
Eric A. Hall wrote: Every filtering system requires admin time, and if the reviews don't say as much then they're junk. There is a critical difference with SA, however, which is that the admins need to be proficient at stuff like CPAN, Perl, etc., while some of the packaged offerings provide

RE: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread Matthew.van.Eerde
Steven Dickenson wrote: Eric A. Hall wrote: simple click-the-button GUI, apt-get install exim4-daemon-heavy spamassassin clamav-daemon razor Steven, I don't think you give yourself enough credit :) -- Matthew.van.Eerde (at) hbinc.com 805.964.4554 x902 Hispanic Business

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-27 Thread Steven Dickenson
Martyn Drake wrote: Ironically, after many years of faithful Linux use we're going down the Exchange route and mail handling to be given over to another department. I doubt we'll see a SA Linux box there. Oh well. I'm used to disapointments over the years, so it wasn't too much of a

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions - OT

2005-05-26 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
On Thursday May 26 2005 10:30 am, Chris Santerre wrote: -Original Message- From: aecioneto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 8:36 PM To: users Subject: Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions Loren and Chris, thanks for your replies. I am aware of SA

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Martyn Drake
Aecio F. Neto wrote: Is there any *good* and *trustable* comparison between SA and other commercial solutions? I looked into a few dedicated commercial spam appliances, but most (but not all) of which used a customised version of SpamAssassin as part of their detection process anyway.

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Dimitri Yioulos
I can only speak from the perspective of a small (but growing, thank you) shop. I was committed to using Linux and FOSS from the get, anyway, but as a start-up, commercial solutions to a great many of our needs were out of reach, price-wise. Our email solution was

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Eric A. Hall
On 5/26/2005 10:30 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: Understood, and very good effort by you to educate them. Mostly all the reviews slam the cost benefit of SA with the Pay an employee to support it. line of crap. Every filtering system requires admin time, and if the reviews don't say as much then

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread Matthew S. Cramer
On Thu, May 26, 2005 at 10:30:21AM -0400, Chris Santerre wrote: [...] My intention was to have some external opinion - magazine, site review, you name it - saying that when summing up cost/benefit of SA comparing to other things out there, it is best by far (this is my opinion).

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread JamesDR
Martyn Drake wrote: Aecio F. Neto wrote: Is there any *good* and *trustable* comparison between SA and other commercial solutions? I looked into a few dedicated commercial spam appliances, but most (but not all) of which used a customised version of SpamAssassin as part of their detection

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread jdow
From: Kevin Peuhkurinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] If that's not bad enough, I find most support from proprietary software vendors to be the pits. We have Mcafee's Enterprise Anti-Virus suite with a support contract. However, I hate calling them because I tend to have to wait 30+ minutes on

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-26 Thread David B Funk
On Thu, 26 May 2005, jdow wrote: From: Kevin Peuhkurinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] [snip..] putting me on hold for another 30+ minutes while they try to track down a second level support person. That's 30 minutes On the other hand, I had a question about SpamAssassin the other day that I

Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-25 Thread Aecio F. Neto
Hi, there. Is there any *good* and *trustable* comparison between SA and other commercial solutions? Any feedback much appreciated. Regards

RE: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-25 Thread Chris Santerre
-Original Message- From: Aecio F. Neto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:22 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions Hi, there. Is there any *good* and *trustable* comparison between SA and other commercial

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-25 Thread Loren Wilton
Is there any *good* and *trustable* comparison between SA and other commercial solutions? It depends on what kind of comparison you are interested in. Every few months some magazine or online info service will run a comparison of various spam tools, and the report of their report ends up

Re: Comparison of SA and commercial solutions

2005-05-25 Thread aecioneto
Loren and Chris, thanks for your replies. I am aware of SA, I have been using it from a very long time ago - having it well trained and updated - as best as I can. I understand about all issues you both mentioned about a raw SA and other solutions out there. I post such inquiry to the list