Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-17 Thread Rupert Gallagher
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 22:02, Alex wrote: >Hi, Does anyone have any special techniques for catching these invoice phish >emails? https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X I've added a few body rules, and >even despite training previous similar messages as spam, they continue. This

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-16 Thread Alex
Hi, >> https://pastebin.com/raw/Fv5NKRAP >> >> Anyone able to take a look and provide ideas on how to block them? It >> passes with DKIM_VALID_AU, RCVD_IN_SENDERSCORE_90_100 and SPF_PASS. >> >> It's missing headers, and I've written a rule to account for that, but >> it would be great to have some

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-16 Thread Bill Cole
On 15 May 2018, at 20:27, Alex wrote: Hi, We received another of those phishes as a result of a compromised O365 account. https://pastebin.com/raw/Fv5NKRAP Anyone able to take a look and provide ideas on how to block them? It passes with DKIM_VALID_AU, RCVD_IN_SENDERSCORE_90_100 and SPF_PAS

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-16 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 15 May 2018, David B Funk wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2018, Alex wrote: [snip..] Train bayes, look for custom URIBL lists that might hit that powned website. I wasn't referring to the site that was the source of the message but the website that was hosting that PHISH login page. (EG that

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-16 Thread David Jones
On 05/15/2018 08:26 PM, David B Funk wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2018, Alex wrote: Hi, We received another of those phishes as a result of a compromised O365 account. https://pastebin.com/raw/Fv5NKRAP Anyone able to take a look and provide ideas on how to block them? It passes with DKIM_VALID_AU

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-16 Thread Benny Pedersen
Alex skrev den 2018-05-16 02:27: https://pastebin.com/raw/Fv5NKRAP reduce whitelist scores raise scores on spam, for the remaining tags put into corpus testing, to hope scores will begin to score it as spam

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-15 Thread David B Funk
On Tue, 15 May 2018, Alex wrote: Hi, [snip..] Train bayes, look for custom URIBL lists that might hit that powned website. The IP (216.32.180.23) is listed on sorbs, but that's it, and the domain (peabodyenergy.com) is not listed anywhere. I wasn't referring to the site that was the sour

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-15 Thread Alex
Hi, On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:26 PM, David B Funk wrote: > On Tue, 15 May 2018, Alex wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> We received another of those phishes as a result of a compromised O365 >> account. >> >> https://pastebin.com/raw/Fv5NKRAP >> >> Anyone able to take a look and provide ideas on how to block

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-15 Thread David B Funk
On Tue, 15 May 2018, Alex wrote: Hi, We received another of those phishes as a result of a compromised O365 account. https://pastebin.com/raw/Fv5NKRAP Anyone able to take a look and provide ideas on how to block them? It passes with DKIM_VALID_AU, RCVD_IN_SENDERSCORE_90_100 and SPF_PASS. It'

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-15 Thread Alex
Hi, We received another of those phishes as a result of a compromised O365 account. https://pastebin.com/raw/Fv5NKRAP Anyone able to take a look and provide ideas on how to block them? It passes with DKIM_VALID_AU, RCVD_IN_SENDERSCORE_90_100 and SPF_PASS. It's missing headers, and I've written

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread David Jones
On 05/10/2018 01:32 PM, RW wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2018 09:55:00 -0500 David Jones wrote: On 05/10/2018 09:39 AM, RW wrote: Microsoft has a list of domains it hosts and a list of hosted domains (and/or its own addresses) tied to each account. Given how much reliance MS place on DMARC's preven

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread RW
On Thu, 10 May 2018 09:55:00 -0500 David Jones wrote: > On 05/10/2018 09:39 AM, RW wrote: > > Microsoft has a list of domains it hosts and a list of hosted > > domains (and/or its own addresses) tied to each account. Given how > > much reliance MS place on DMARC's preventing spoofing, and how ea

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread Paul Stead
On 10/05/2018, 15:54, "David Jones" wrote: They do. I saw an example a few weeks ago. >Paul Stead claims to have seen it, but it's important to positively >identify it as spoofing and not hacking. Not sure what the difference is from a mail filtering perspective. From Mi

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread David Jones
On 05/10/2018 09:39 AM, RW wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2018 13:49:15 + (UTC) Pedro David Marco wrote: David Jones wrote:>It's not only compromised well-established accounts.  Based on the odd domain names I have seen, I am pretty sure that Microsoft allows trials of O365 so spammers are signi

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread RW
On Thu, 10 May 2018 13:49:15 + (UTC) Pedro David Marco wrote: > > David Jones wrote:>It's not only compromised well-established > accounts.  Based on the odd > >domain names I have seen, I am pretty sure that Microsoft allows > >trials of O365 so spammers are signing up and blasting out > >

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread Pedro David Marco
David Jones wrote:>It's not only compromised well-established accounts.  Based on the odd >domain names I have seen, I am pretty sure that Microsoft allows trials >of O365 so spammers are signing up and blasting out junk/phishing emails >until they are discovered.  These spammers can spoof an

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread RW
On Thu, 10 May 2018 12:48:29 + Paul Stead wrote: > On 10/05/2018, 13:46, "David Jones" wrote: > > >Do you have a reason to think that that's possible? > >It doesn't seem very likely, but there are some default whitelist > >entries that should go if it is. > > Anyone on O365

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread Paul Stead
On 10/05/2018, 13:46, "David Jones" wrote: >Do you have a reason to think that that's possible? >It doesn't seem very likely, but there are some default whitelist >entries that should go if it is. Which part is possible? The trial accounts blasting spam or the toysrus.com

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread David Jones
On 05/10/2018 07:37 AM, RW wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2018 06:50:46 -0500 David Jones wrote: I am pretty sure that Microsoft allows trials of O365 so spammers are signing up and blasting out junk/phishing emails until they are discovered. These spammers can spoof anyone on O365 like toysrus.com an

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread RW
On Thu, 10 May 2018 06:50:46 -0500 David Jones wrote: > I am pretty sure that Microsoft allows > trials of O365 so spammers are signing up and blasting out > junk/phishing emails until they are discovered. These spammers can > spoof anyone on O365 like toysrus.com and the SPF checks will pass.

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread David Jones
On 05/10/2018 05:16 AM, Rupert Gallagher wrote: On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 00:54, David B Funk mailto:dbf...@engineering.uiowa.edu>> wrote:  4) Less technical sophistication of the server side filtering VS google Both Google and Microsoft deliver a product for the masses. They are a mcdonald

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread RW
On Tue, 8 May 2018 16:02:32 -0400 Alex wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone have any special techniques for catching these invoice > phish emails? > > https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X I think this may be worth a try: uri_detail INSECURE_INVOICE_LINK text =~ /\binvoices?\b/i cleaned=~

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-10 Thread Rupert Gallagher
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 00:54, David B Funk wrote: > 4) Less technical sophistication of the server side filtering VS google Both Google and Microsoft deliver a product for the masses. They are a mcdonald after all: you get the quality that you pay for. Google rejects messages with either fai

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread David B Funk
On Wed, 9 May 2018, Vincent Fox wrote: I see an interesting dichotomy. Students are on Google, fac/staff on O365 now. Guess which group is phished most often? If you said students,  bzzzt.  It’s the O365 users, by a large margin.  Faculty and staff should be best trained.  Also protected by

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread Vincent Fox
I see an interesting dichotomy. Students are on Google, fac/staff on O365 now. Guess which group is phished most often? If you said students, bzzzt. It’s the O365 users, by a large margin. Faculty and staff should be best trained. Also protected by “Advanced Threat Protection”. Sent from m

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread Rupert Gallagher
So "free" here refers to something else than paid for service. What does it refer to then? Perhaps FREEMAIL is best renamed as CAMP, for Commonly Abused Mail Provider. On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 13:37, David Jones wrote: > On 05/09/2018 03:03 AM, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > Is O365 freemail now? Fre

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread David Jones
On 05/09/2018 12:39 PM, Alex wrote: Hi, header __RCVD_OFFICE365Received =~ /\.outbound\.protection\.outlook\.com \[/ header __RCVD_OFFICE365_PROXY X-ClientProxiedBy =~ /\.outlook\.com \(/ header __OFFICE365_TRUST_ORG X-OriginatorOrg =~ /^(ena\.com|example\.com)/ You've

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread Alex
Hi, >>> header __RCVD_OFFICE365Received =~ >>> /\.outbound\.protection\.outlook\.com \[/ >>> header __RCVD_OFFICE365_PROXY X-ClientProxiedBy =~ >>> /\.outlook\.com >>> \(/ >>> >>> header __OFFICE365_TRUST_ORG X-OriginatorOrg =~ >>> /^(ena\.com|example\.com)/ >> >> >> You've s

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread David Jones
On 05/09/2018 10:59 AM, Alex wrote: Hi, https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X ... What I have had to do is basically increase the score on all invoice emails to try to block the bad ones and then whitelist the good ones. That email was BCC'd which is another suspicious trait which is why I bump

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread John Hardin
On Wed, 9 May 2018, Alex wrote: Hi, Hi, Does anyone have any special techniques for catching these invoice phish emails? https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X I've added a few body rules, and even despite training previous similar messages as spam, they continue. These emails very cl

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread Kris Deugau
David Jones wrote: One more thing.  I have expanded my definition of FREEMAIL to any Google and Office 365 senders like this: header  __RCVD_YAHOO    Received =~ /\.yahoo\.com \[/ header  __RCVD_HOTMAIL  Received =~ /\.hotmail\.com \[/ header  __RCVD_GOO

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread Alex
Hi, >> Hi, >> Does anyone have any special techniques for catching these invoice phish >> emails? >> >> https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X >> >> I've added a few body rules, and even despite training previous >> similar messages as spam,

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread Alex
Hi, >> https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X >> ... > What I have had to do is basically increase the score on all invoice emails > to try to block the bad ones and then whitelist the good ones. > > That email was BCC'd which is another suspicious trait which is why I bump > up the score for MISSING H

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread David Jones
On 05/09/2018 10:02 AM, Alex wrote: Hi, One more thing. I have expanded my definition of FREEMAIL to any Google and Office 365 senders like this: header __RCVD_YAHOOReceived =~ /\.yahoo\.com \[/ header __RCVD_HOTMAIL Received =~ /\.hotmail\.com \[/ heade

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread Alex
Hi, > One more thing. I have expanded my definition of FREEMAIL to any Google and > Office 365 senders like this: > > header __RCVD_YAHOOReceived =~ /\.yahoo\.com \[/ > header __RCVD_HOTMAIL Received =~ /\.hotmail\.com \[/ > header __RCVD_GOOGLE

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread David Jones
On 05/09/2018 03:03 AM, Rupert Gallagher wrote: Is O365 freemail now? Free from Microsoft is an oxymoron. If you look at the comments in the rule files (20_freemail_domains.cf) you will find that FREEMAIL is actually any mail provider that is commonly abused and often sends spam. O365 does f

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-09 Thread Rupert Gallagher
Is O365 freemail now? Free from Microsoft is an oxymoron.

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-08 Thread David Jones
On 05/08/2018 03:47 PM, David Jones wrote: On 05/08/2018 03:02 PM, Alex wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any special techniques for catching these invoice phish emails? https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X I've added a few body rules, and even despite training previous similar messages as

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-08 Thread David Jones
On 05/08/2018 03:02 PM, Alex wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any special techniques for catching these invoice phish emails? https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X I've added a few body rules, and even despite training previous similar messages as spam, they continue. These emails very closely res

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-08 Thread David Jones
On 05/08/2018 03:02 PM, Alex wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any special techniques for catching these invoice phish emails? https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X I've added a few body rules, and even despite training previous similar messages as spam, they continue. These emails very closely res

Re: Invoice phish

2018-05-08 Thread John Hardin
On Tue, 8 May 2018, Alex wrote: Hi, Does anyone have any special techniques for catching these invoice phish emails? https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X I've added a few body rules, and even despite training previous similar messages as spam, they continue. These emails very closely res

Invoice phish

2018-05-08 Thread Alex
Hi, Does anyone have any special techniques for catching these invoice phish emails? https://pastebin.com/raw/TfvhUu0X I've added a few body rules, and even despite training previous similar messages as spam, they continue. These emails very closely resemble legitimate email regarding inv