Tom:
re selinux:
Yes, once I discovered the fix, I considered that could have been the casue.
FWIW I'm not using it and it's disabled, so it *shouldn't* hose anything.
But I would not be surprised if it were the culprit.
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> I'm going to go back and look at my build notes but I think that directory
> got created for me. It's just as possible i followed some "guide". I am
> positive i did not think it up on my own LOL. I remember more than set of
> instructions one with that path se
I'm going to go back and look at my build notes but I think that directory
got created for me. It's just as possible i followed some "guide". I am
positive i did not think it up on my own LOL. I remember more than set of
instructions one with that path setting, and it very well could be the
rela
On Fri, 11 Aug 2017 16:22:50 +0200
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
> don't set the path, that way it should work OOTB.
Maybe amavis is different and has it's own internl default location, but
the equivalent for spamd relies on the packager giving the spamd user a
unix home directory.
I once saw a
On 10.08.17 20:15, Scott wrote:
About the only difference in my old, functioning box and this new "clean"
install was the location of the bayes files.
Old box:
/var/spool/amavisd/.spamassassin/
New box:
/etc/mail/bayes
On 11.08.17 16:22, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
Do did you change bayes p
On 10.08.17 20:15, Scott wrote:
About the only difference in my old, functioning box and this new "clean"
install was the location of the bayes files.
Old box:
/var/spool/amavisd/.spamassassin/
New box:
/etc/mail/bayes
Do did you change bayes path in first place?
amavis is the only one who pr
Yeah, i don't know who the culprit is. sa-learn always worked. autolearn did
not. So far this am it's looking good. An expected spread of autolearn no,
spam, and ham. Not a single unavailable. Will check this afternoon and
expect to call this done. Summary for other googlers to follow.
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On Thu, 10 Aug 2017 20:15:48 -0700 (MST)
Scott wrote:
> For reasons beyond my skill set,
> SA will not auto-learn to a bayes db in a folder in /etc/mail/bayes.
> Regardless of wide open permissions on everything except /etc. And
> the user's confirmed ability to write to the folder.
But sa-lea
Aug 10, 2017; 10:15pm Scottonline Scott Re: Bayes auto-learn - not
happening, tentative success
Well, here's a development...
About the only difference in my old, functioning box and this new "clean"
install was the location of the bayes files.
Old box:
/var/spool/amavis
Well, here's a development...
About the only difference in my old, functioning box and this new "clean"
install was the location of the bayes files.
Old box:
/var/spool/amavisd/.spamassassin/
New box:
/etc/mail/bayes
The other details that caught my attention were that on the old box, the
ONL
Trying to check for any locking issues I ran sa-update in debug moed
su amavis -c 'sa-learn -D --spam --showdots --mbox /home/mail/onespam'
Appears to be creating and dropping lock files. Nothing left over after
running..
Aug 10 16:48:39.109 [7524] dbg: bayes: expiry starting
Aug 10 16:48:39.11
Scouring the differences between this and my old server I see this:
Old server:
-rw--- 1 amavis amavis 83472 Aug 10 15:51 bayes_journal
-rw--- 1 amavis amavis 1986 Aug 10 15:51 bayes.mutex
-rw--- 1 amavis amavis 328491008 Aug 10 15:51 bayes_seen
-rw--- 1 amavis ama
> Imho You need 100 ham and 100 spam to auto learning working. Do manual
learning
See earlier post today. I've got it loaded up, right?:
[root@tn2 mail]# su amavis -c 'sa-learn --dump magic'
0.000 0 3 0 non-token data: bayes db version
0.000 0349
Imho You need 100 ham and 100 spam to auto learning working. Do manual
learning
08.08.2017 8:20 PM "Scott Techlist" napisał(a):
> Centos7
> Postfix 3.2.2
> Amavisd-new 2.11.0
> Spamassassin 3.4.0
> Site-wide configuration
>
> This is a new box and I've configured some conservative values for
> a
OK, so I don't think auto-learn works on spam. What about HAM?
I've raised the floor to auto-learn HAM to 1. Before anyone gives me any
grief, it's just for testing. I'll rebuild the bayes db from a corpus when
I get it working.
So SPAM takes the 3-way patch, 3 from the header, 3 from the body
OK, so I don't think auto-learn works on spam. What about HAM?
I've raised the floor to auto-learn HAM to 1. Before anyone gives me any
grief, it's just for testing. I'll rebuild the bayes db from a corpus when
I get it working.
So SPAM takes the 3-way patch, 3 from the header, 3 from the body
>surely, it makes no sense blow up the database with already 100%
>classified samples - you even don't do that uncnditional with a
>hand-trained database (at least not forever, at the begin it makes sense
>to get additional tokens)
I think you misunderstood my question. I meant that as I look at
>surely, it makes no sense blow up the database with already 100%
>classified samples - you even don't do that uncnditional with a
>hand-trained database (at least not forever, at the begin it makes sense
>to get additional tokens)
I think you misunderstood my question. I meant that as I look at
If any particular message has a
* 3.5 BAYES_99 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 99 to 100%
* [score: 1.]
Is it safe to assume that spam or one close to it has been learned and so it
would not be a candidate for auto-learn?
Maybe I'm not being patient enough.
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FYI, here's the verbose headers for that same one that flowed above:
X-Spam-Flag: YES
X-Spam-Score: 23.904
X-Spam-Level: ***
X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=23.904 tag=- tag2=5 kill=6.4
tests=[BAYES_999=0.2, BAYES_99=3.5, DCC_CHECK=3.2,
DIGEST_MULTIPLE=0.293, HEAD
Here is a debug log for one that just flowed. I don't see anything about why
auto-learn was unavailable. But it shows it's talking to the db anyway I
think.
Is there a way to set auto_learn_force to yes? The log format makes one
thing it's a global setting but all I can find it looks like a per
Here's a verbose log of amavis/spamassassin processing another high score
that just came through. I don't see a peep about auto-learn. But it was
unavailable too.
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Aug 10 11:03:39 mail2 amavis[377]: (00377-01) LMTP :10024
/var/spool/amavisd/tmp/amavis
>why this?
>When you run from amavisd, you only need permission for amavis user, not
for
>anyone.
To be sure that is not the problem. I can tighten it up once working. I
understand thisis what one woudl normally use if they had a multi-user
enviroment. But it can't hurt the problem for testing,
On 08/10/2017 10:06 AM, techlist06 wrote:
Update: Still NOT working, but I'm giving it hell trying to figure out why :)
First a couple of answers to other's questions:
- John, others, not an ISP, high is relative I'm sure but the volume is much
higher than I can duplicate and review every flag
On 10.08.17 10:06, techlist06 wrote:
Update: Still NOT working, but I'm giving it hell trying to figure out why :)
- Matus: re:" autolearn=unavailable apparently due to not accessible bayes
database [due to permissions]". I hope you are right. That would make
sense to me. See below please
Update: Still NOT working, but I'm giving it hell trying to figure out why :)
First a couple of answers to other's questions:
- John, others, not an ISP, high is relative I'm sure but the volume is much
higher than I can duplicate and review every flagged message. Right now
running at about 10
On 08/08/2017 08:02 PM, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
On 2017-08-08 15:20, Scott wrote:
Another new one big score, auto-learn disabled. This one is fairly small.
X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=29.428 tag=- tag2=5 kill=6.4
tests=[DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.076, DCC_CHECK=3.2,
DIGEST_MULTIPLE=0.001,
On 08.08.17 14:38, Scott wrote:
Brand new spam arrives. It gets
autolearn=unavailable.
[...]
su amavis -c 'sa-learn -D --spam --showdots --max-size=600 --mbox
/home/mail/twospam'
Aug 8 16:35:23.567 [18045] dbg: bayes: learned
'419769464db0fabb0f1220f9ae0cf12931ad7076@sa_generated', atim
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
I stopped
autolearning and hacked up some scripts that put duplicate of each ham
message into a folder which is then processed by sa-learn from a
cronjob, with sufficient delay that I can review the contents and remove
any false negatives; and similarly w
On 2017-08-08 15:20, Scott wrote:
> Another new one big score, auto-learn disabled. This one is fairly small.
>
> X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=29.428 tag=- tag2=5 kill=6.4
> tests=[DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.076, DCC_CHECK=3.2,
> DIGEST_MULTIPLE=0.001,
> FILL_THIS_FORM=0.001, FROM_
Another new one big score, auto-learn disabled. This one is fairly small.
X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=29.428 tag=- tag2=5 kill=6.4
tests=[DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.076, DCC_CHECK=3.2,
DIGEST_MULTIPLE=0.001,
FILL_THIS_FORM=0.001, FROM_MISSPACED=0.001, FROM_MISSP_SPF_FAIL=1,
>you need to train your bayes *by hand* to start with - how do you expect
>bayes classification with no hints afetr purge the database - train 200
>ham and spam mails and *after that* look further
Reindl:
Thanks. I want to use some auto-training with very conservative thresholds
set. All of th
I was getting my commands missed up, been looking at this too long. When I
ran
su amavis -c 'spamassassin -D 2>&1 -t onespam'
That caused it to LEARN the spam. Database went from not there to one
learned. Auto-learn apparently. That's what it should have done when it
arrived.
Brand new spam
Benny:
re tflags
> tflags foo-rule-name noautolearn
> and you can force autolearn based on rulename
> https://lists.gt.net/spamassassin/users/184996
> there is a long thread there that explain it more
>and all condition must be met for learning
I read the thread. Nothing there concrete enough fo
Cleared the database, ran below on the same message:
su amavis -c 'spamassassin -D 2>&1 -t onespam' | less
I didn't see any errors obvious to me.
It recreated the databases and added this message as expected.
I don't know how to tell why it would not have auto-learned.
Can you tell/ teach
Scott skrev den 2017-08-08 22:19:
Does this one have the requisite 3-point match? I don't understand how
to
tell yet.
spamassassin -D 2>&1 -t mail.msg | less
should show why
On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:04:16 -0700 (MST)
Scott wrote:
> The "3 points" criteria does not apply to manually learning
No it's just a sanity check to reduce mistraining. If you can, don't
use autotraining at all.
Apologies, I meant sa-learn. Brain fart.
Thanks for the clarification on the 3-point rule.
I've had a bunch of them come through. They all get autolearn=no or I get a
few that say "unavailable" like the sample below. I gather from trying to
figure out myself that unavailable may be things alre
Scott skrev den 2017-08-08 22:06:
Better, what test flags in general disable auto-learn?
tflags foo-rule-name noautolearn
and you can force autolearn based on rulename
https://lists.gt.net/spamassassin/users/184996
there is a long thread there that explain it more
and all condition must be
Scott skrev den 2017-08-08 22:04:
The "3 points" criteria does not apply to manually learning via
sa-update
then?
typo ?. sa-update does not learn, it just update rules, you meant
sa-learn ?
when sa-learn is used, its not autolearn, so the limits are not appled
> some of the listed tags have tflags that disable autolearn
< there is nothing to fix here
Benny: Will you elaborate for me please? So I can understand and
self-help.
Better, what test flags in general disable auto-learn?
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On Tue, 8 Aug 2017 13:06:26 -0500
Scott Techlist wrote:
> Centos7
> Postfix 3.2.2
> Amavisd-new 2.11.0
> Spamassassin 3.4.0
> Site-wide configuration
>
> This is a new box and I've configured some conservative values for
> auto-learn. I've enabled it properly AFAIK, but I can't see any sign
> of
Scott Techlist skrev den 2017-08-08 20:06:
X-Spam-Flag: YES
X-Spam-Score: 17.374
X-Spam-Level: *
X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=17.374 tag=- tag2=5 kill=6.31
tests=[RCVD_IN_BRBL_LASTEXT=1.644, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001,
RCVD_IN_RP_RNBL=1.284, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.558
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