RE: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA (was: SpamAssassin Milter Plugin...)

2010-03-10 Thread R-Elists
cannot implement all processing and reject in DATA phase, then well... there it is... work on it... your next post says you sometimes have to reject after... and i quote you --- Charles Gregory Quote:Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA The only efficiency to be gained is to reject as much as possible

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA (was: SpamAssassin Milter Plugin...)

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Kai Schaetzl wrote: and you find it doesn't make sense to spam-scan messages and reject them in/after DATA stage in a real world scenario. You ignore my arguments. Hardly surprising. You reword yours, but say nothing new. It makes only sense if you are die-hard

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Andy Dorman wrote: So even if we can decide an email is spam before the DATA stage, it makes no difference since we have to store the thing for a while anyway in case the user wants to look for something caught that shouldn't be. (nod) To rely on this methodology requires

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, David Morton wrote: Charles Gregory wrote: Indeed, it makes far LESS sense to have a system accept mail but send it to a spam folder. Maybe in your particular situation, but you can hardly apply that to everyone (nod) It was subject to the conditions I consider 'wide

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: There are other reasons not to do this, for instance legal ones. Again, you are quoting arguments that favor SMTP reject. It is better to reject a mail, so that legitimate senders know it, rather than have them believe it was delivered when it was

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread David Morton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Charles Gregory wrote: You are not misguided, and neither am I. We just have different situations. Hmm... policy. Sounds a lot like a feature of postfix, doesn't it? LOL... And not at all 'misguided' :) Wait, stop the presses! An

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Charles Gregory wrote: On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: There are other reasons not to do this, for instance legal ones. Again, you are quoting arguments that favor SMTP reject. It is better to reject a mail, so that legitimate senders know it, rather than have them believe

Re: [sa] Re: SMTP REJECT after DATA

2010-03-09 Thread Charles Gregory
On Tue, 9 Mar 2010, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: It is NOT illegal to break a contract. It's called 'fraud'. Look it up. No, sorry, it's NOT fraud. Fraud requires proving an intentional misrepresentation. Well duh. Did you think I meant something else? Breaking a contract does not imply that