[libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Am 27.01.2016 um 21:23 schrieb Sergio Gutierrez: > Hi, to all who had been participating, for some time now, in this > nonsensical religious comments. When I accepted to receive e-mails from > this user group, I thought that it could be useful whilst using Libre > Office. I never expected to become involved in religious arguments, or > being forced to read any religious preaching. In most forums everybody is > compelled to keep postings within the subject for which they were set up, > and anybody that strays from that is usually removed. Since this forum has > lost its direction (with the approval of some member that confuse tolerance > with the lack of respect for other people), it's time for me to leave. > Since this e-mail does not have the usual "unsubscribe" link, I will put it > into the "junk mail" section, where it belongs. > Have a nice day. > +1 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
On 1/28/2016 8:24 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: > Tanstaafl, Please don't email me personally, I am a list member, and certainly don't need to see TWO of your ridiculous rants. > On 2016-01-28 00:02, Tanstaafl wrote: >> On 1/27/2016 7:20 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: >>> You continue to misunderstand (I am not surprised) . . I am NOT >>> defending my "beliefs" I am saying clearly that a technical list >>> is NOT a place for proselytising on superstitions or politics or >>> anything else that does not have something to do with what the >>> list if for. >> What you are doing is attacking, > You call it "attacking", I call it pointing out logical, childish errors > of thinking. You call it 'pointing out logical, childish errors', which is just megalomaniacal, condescending and insulting gobbledy-speak for 'I am your superior, bow down and worship me, little children, as I am all-knowing'. >> even insulting people who believe differently from you by calling >> their belief system 'superstition', rather than the normal term, >> 'religion'. > What is the difference? One is extremely disrespectful and condescending, the other is not. >> Atheism is just as much a 'superstition' - per your meaning - as any >> other religion. > Clueless Please stop calling yourself names... it is embarrassing to watch. > . . how can not being convinced- about an argument that has no > evidence to support it That is not the definition of an atheist, nor is it what you are claiming. > - be construed as a superstition? You need a dictionary too . . Again, talking to yourself... tisk, tisk... You - and atheists - claim that 'there is no god'. That is much different than saying 'I do not see enough evidence to support the claim, therefore I choose not to 'believe'.' That is an agnostic. So... who needs a dictionary? *If* your argument was on point, you would be correct, but since all you rebutted was a strawman, it is not that I need a dictionary, what is needed is for you to gain a few ounces of humility and respect for others. >> Atheists simply choose to have 'faith' in the belief > Clueless . . see above . . Strawman, see above... >> that everything in the world today is just there by some random >> accident of nature. > Which, until some evidence is provided to the contrary, is more logical > and rational than believing in sky fairies . . More condescending and insulting strawman-speak - I haven't seen anyone other than you say anything about sky fairies... That said, there are many non-religious scientists who are profoundly interested in just how amazing and - 'miraculous' - life is. Maybe it is all just one big happy accident... and maybe it isn't. But I'll ask you... Who the F are you to tell someone else which one it is? > Get a life . . and some lessons in English, logic and rational thinking > while you are at it . . Again, it is really embarrassing watching you talk to yourself like this. Maybe you should see someone... Ok, I'm done, you are now PLONKED, so respond away if you feel you must get the past word, I won't see it, so I'm sure it'll give a big fuzzy wet-n-warm one... -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
2016-01-28 14:24 GMT+01:00 Philip Rhoades : > > You call it "attacking", I call it pointing out logical, childish errors > of thinking. This will be my first and LAST message on this thread, for obvious reason. The fact that one did something, someone else replied, or attacked, or whatever, can happen. Once it has been pointed out that it is really, clearly, without ambiguity, completely, totally and utterly (enough superlatives yet?) offtopic for the list, it should stop. If someone feels the need to have the final word in this discussion, do a favor to *everyone else*, remove the users@global.libreoffice.org address from your mails on this subject and deal with it like grownups. The fact that multiple people keep sending mass replies so out of the scope of the list is way more aggravating than whatever the topic is. EoT for me. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Please, mr Philip Rhoades, Obviously you are not capable to realise what you are up to. All australians I have had the pleasure to meet, have been sympatic, intelligent, polite, well educated and in every way kind persons. From your writings the only conclusion is that you represent the outmostopposite end of these qualities. No wonder there are wars in the world. Stop behaving like a lowminded complete idiot. At least you could from your signature delete your address – that you are from Australia! Best regards Pertti Rönnberg, 76 yrs/ Finland On 28.1.2016 15:33, Philip Rhoades wrote: Gary, On 2016-01-28 22:44, Gary Collins wrote: Phil,you wrote: Just observation - you believe in sky fairies - Albert Einstein, Erwin Schrodinger, Paul Dirac, Antony Flew, all believed in a God; as do Richard Swinburne, Francis Collins, William Lane Craig, to name just a few. you also wrote. Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . . I hope you would not refer to any of those I've listed above as 'clueless.' Being very smart or even a genius does not mean you have any "common" (more like "uncommon") sense. However, WRT your first example, people like you always claim Albert Einstein as a "believer" but in fact he did not believe in one or other of the common sky fairies that you seem to think he did - you probably know that and are just being dishonest about your claims . . Posts like yours could easily be seen as being offensive. The OP's post was offensive to me and shouldn't have included the sermon that it did. P. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Charles, On 2016-01-28 01:13, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Gentlemen, Please take your philosophical discussion elsewhere. It is wildly off topic here, as this is a mailing list dedicated to supporting users of LibreOffice. That is what I have been saying all along! The discussion should never have needed to occur except that the OP was proselytising with her post and email "signature" - which was inappropriate for this list and offensive to me and others. Regards, Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Virgil, On 2016-01-28 00:52, Virgil Arrington wrote: Phil, Setting aside religion, superstition, and science, (and LO) may I humbly suggest that you might benefit from a lesson in common courtesy and respect, which all men and women are due, regardless of their beliefs or whether they choose to express them in a way that others find inappropriate. Irrelevant - the OP was proselytising and offensive by posting a sermon which she shouldn't have - that needed to be pointed out. Sadly, your insistence on belaboring this by insulting everyone who suggests a more tolerant approach, lacks such common courtesy. No discourtesy, just making the point that needed to be made and then responding to other ignorant and delusional people who feel compelled to "defend" someone else's sky fairy proselytisation because a logical attack on one sky fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . . Speaking more pragmatically, I find it ironically interesting that, in defending your position, you draw even more attention to the very proselytizing to which you object, by quoting, in full, Nasrim's original message (which I had long forgot). "Forgot" (BTW, it should be "forgotten") or preferred to ignore? - it was clearly a sermon and could NOT, in any reasonable sense, be called a signature . . you are desperately trying to avoid dealing with that fact . . Were I you, I might label such a tactic, "clueless." However, I know you don't know how to use English very well so I understand your inability to put forward rational arguments . . But, I'm not, so I won't for even you deserve our courtesy and respect. That sentence doesn't make sense . . but I can translate what you are trying to say and my response is: I'm shattered if I don't have your courtesy or respect . . P. Virgil On 01/27/2016 07:37 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Felmon, On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote: On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should not be condoned or encouraged. by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last "ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . . several posts are guilty of it. Then you don't understand what the word means. I thought 'signatures' were generally off-topic. though I'd keep my mouth shut, I admit though I'd be wrought up if someone advocated Microsoft Word! but a 'blessing' from 'sky fairies'? some must have a terrible time in flu season with all the 'God bless you!' in the air! anyway, I agree: stop the proselytizing! You need to learn how to use a dictionary. (well, except in 'signatures' where it doesn't count). This was the beginning of the original post: "in the name of god the most compassionate the most merciful." This was the end of the original post: "i have a gift for you for all of you one of the english translations of the holy quran. the message of god for all mankind, in the all universe in all times, the message for salvation of mankind in this world and the hereafter, the message of monotheism, mercy, compassionate, fraternity, kindness, justice, friendship, goodness and happiness for all mankind. the holy quran encourages his followers to appreciate kindness of others. reply them better or returnthere goodness and do good with the same. And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better [greeting] than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all things. for this reason its my duty to be grateful to you, your kindness, for your great software and efferts for helping other people, and i offer my gift to you. for any question about the english translation of the holy quran, for any question about the islam and your idea andyour experiment, be in contact with me. and for reading more books and morerecognition about islam, please visit website. this website has many useful books in different aspects of islam." As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a SERMON and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others (and NOT because of the particular superstition being proselytised). P. All Hail the Great and Glorious Jibbers Crabst! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60 f. On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would b
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Gary, On 2016-01-28 22:44, Gary Collins wrote: Phil,you wrote: Just observation - you believe in sky fairies - Albert Einstein, Erwin Schrodinger, Paul Dirac, Antony Flew, all believed in a God; as do Richard Swinburne, Francis Collins, William Lane Craig, to name just a few. you also wrote. Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . . I hope you would not refer to any of those I've listed above as 'clueless.' Being very smart or even a genius does not mean you have any "common" (more like "uncommon") sense. However, WRT your first example, people like you always claim Albert Einstein as a "believer" but in fact he did not believe in one or other of the common sky fairies that you seem to think he did - you probably know that and are just being dishonest about your claims . . Posts like yours could easily be seen as being offensive. The OP's post was offensive to me and shouldn't have included the sermon that it did. P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Tanstaafl, On 2016-01-28 00:02, Tanstaafl wrote: On 1/27/2016 7:20 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: You continue to misunderstand (I am not surprised) . . I am NOT defending my "beliefs" I am saying clearly that a technical list is NOT a place for proselytising on superstitions or politics or anything else that does not have something to do with what the list if for. What you are doing is attacking, You call it "attacking", I call it pointing out logical, childish errors of thinking. even insulting people who believe differently from you by calling their belief system 'superstition', rather than the normal term, 'religion'. What is the difference? Is there any evidence for either? No? I guess not . . so as far as I can see, MY God, Jibbers Crabst is better than your God: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60 Atheism is just as much a 'superstition' - per your meaning - as any other religion. Clueless . . how can not being convinced - about an argument that has no evidence to support it - be construed as a superstition? You need a dictionary too . . Atheists simply choose to have 'faith' in the belief Clueless . . see above . . that everything in the world today is just there by some random accident of nature. Which, until some evidence is provided to the contrary, is more logical and rational than believing in sky fairies . . So, Philip, how about coming down off your high horse, and LET IT GO. Get a life . . and some lessons in English, logic and rational thinking while you are at it . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Phil,you wrote: Just observation - you believe in sky fairies - Albert Einstein, Erwin Schrodinger, Paul Dirac, Antony Flew, all believed in a God; as do Richard Swinburne, Francis Collins, William Lane Craig, to name just a few. you also wrote. Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . . I hope you would not refer to any of those I've listed above as 'clueless.' Posts like yours could easily be seen as being offensive. /Gary -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Hi, to all who had been participating, for some time now, in this nonsensical religious comments. When I accepted to receive e-mails from this user group, I thought that it could be useful whilst using Libre Office. I never expected to become involved in religious arguments, or being forced to read any religious preaching. In most forums everybody is compelled to keep postings within the subject for which they were set up, and anybody that strays from that is usually removed. Since this forum has lost its direction (with the approval of some member that confuse tolerance with the lack of respect for other people), it's time for me to leave. Since this e-mail does not have the usual "unsubscribe" link, I will put it into the "junk mail" section, where it belongs. Have a nice day. On 27 January 2016 at 19:07, Felmon Davis wrote: > On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: > > Felmon, >> >> >> On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote: >> >>> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: >>> >>> Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should not be condoned or encouraged. >>> >>> by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last >>> >> >> >> "ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . . >> > > ah, guess you missed the clue I was being inclusive. > > several posts are guilty of it. >>> >> >> >> Then you don't understand what the word means. >> > > I take my clue from the OED: > > 1. intr. To make, or seek to make, proselytes or converts; In extended > use: to act as an advocate or proponent of something. > > 2. trans. To convert or attempt to convert from one opinion, religion, or > party, etc., to another > > [...] >> >> As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a SERMON >> and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others (and NOT >> because of the particular superstition being proselytised). >> > > granted, it wasn't a signature and also the content is inappropriate. > > so glad this has been settled. > > f. > > > -- > Felmon Davis > > A man's best friend is his dogma. > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: Felmon, On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote: On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should not be condoned or encouraged. by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last "ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . . ah, guess you missed the clue I was being inclusive. several posts are guilty of it. Then you don't understand what the word means. I take my clue from the OED: 1. intr. To make, or seek to make, proselytes or converts; In extended use: to act as an advocate or proponent of something. 2. trans. To convert or attempt to convert from one opinion, religion, or party, etc., to another [...] As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a SERMON and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others (and NOT because of the particular superstition being proselytised). granted, it wasn't a signature and also the content is inappropriate. so glad this has been settled. f. -- Felmon Davis A man's best friend is his dogma. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Gentlemen, Please take your philosophical discussion elsewhere. It is wildly off topic here, as this is a mailing list dedicated to supporting users of LibreOffice. Thank you, Charles. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Phil, Setting aside religion, superstition, and science, (and LO) may I humbly suggest that you might benefit from a lesson in common courtesy and respect, which all men and women are due, regardless of their beliefs or whether they choose to express them in a way that others find inappropriate. Sadly, your insistence on belaboring this by insulting everyone who suggests a more tolerant approach, lacks such common courtesy. Speaking more pragmatically, I find it ironically interesting that, in defending your position, you draw even more attention to the very proselytizing to which you object, by quoting, in full, Nasrim's original message (which I had long forgot). Were I you, I might label such a tactic, "clueless." But, I'm not, so I won't for even you deserve our courtesy and respect. Virgil On 01/27/2016 07:37 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Felmon, On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote: On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should not be condoned or encouraged. by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last "ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . . several posts are guilty of it. Then you don't understand what the word means. I thought 'signatures' were generally off-topic. though I'd keep my mouth shut, I admit though I'd be wrought up if someone advocated Microsoft Word! but a 'blessing' from 'sky fairies'? some must have a terrible time in flu season with all the 'God bless you!' in the air! anyway, I agree: stop the proselytizing! You need to learn how to use a dictionary. (well, except in 'signatures' where it doesn't count). This was the beginning of the original post: "in the name of god the most compassionate the most merciful." This was the end of the original post: "i have a gift for you for all of you one of the english translations of the holy quran. the message of god for all mankind, in the all universe in all times, the message for salvation of mankind in this world and the hereafter, the message of monotheism, mercy, compassionate, fraternity, kindness, justice, friendship, goodness and happiness for all mankind. the holy quran encourages his followers to appreciate kindness of others. reply them better or returnthere goodness and do good with the same. And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better [greeting] than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all things. for this reason its my duty to be grateful to you, your kindness, for your great software and efferts for helping other people, and i offer my gift to you. for any question about the english translation of the holy quran, for any question about the islam and your idea andyour experiment, be in contact with me. and for reading more books and morerecognition about islam, please visit website. this website has many useful books in different aspects of islam." As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a SERMON and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others (and NOT because of the particular superstition being proselytised). P. All Hail the Great and Glorious Jibbers Crabst! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60 f. On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr
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On 1/27/2016 7:20 AM, Philip Rhoades wrote: > You continue to misunderstand (I am not surprised) . . I am NOT > defending my "beliefs" I am saying clearly that a technical list is NOT > a place for proselytising on superstitions or politics or anything else > that does not have something to do with what the list if for. What you are doing is attacking, even insulting people who believe differently from you by calling their belief system 'superstition', rather than the normal term, 'religion'. Atheism is just as much a 'superstition' - per your meaning - as any other religion. Atheists simply choose to have 'faith' in the belief that everything in the world today is just there by some random accident of nature. So, Philip, how about coming down off your high horse, and LET IT GO. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Felmon, On 2016-01-27 03:34, Felmon Davis wrote: On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should not be condoned or encouraged. by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last "ise" is English English not Yankee English . . clueless . . several posts are guilty of it. Then you don't understand what the word means. I thought 'signatures' were generally off-topic. though I'd keep my mouth shut, I admit though I'd be wrought up if someone advocated Microsoft Word! but a 'blessing' from 'sky fairies'? some must have a terrible time in flu season with all the 'God bless you!' in the air! anyway, I agree: stop the proselytizing! You need to learn how to use a dictionary. (well, except in 'signatures' where it doesn't count). This was the beginning of the original post: "in the name of god the most compassionate the most merciful." This was the end of the original post: "i have a gift for you for all of you one of the english translations of the holy quran. the message of god for all mankind, in the all universe in all times, the message for salvation of mankind in this world and the hereafter, the message of monotheism, mercy, compassionate, fraternity, kindness, justice, friendship, goodness and happiness for all mankind. the holy quran encourages his followers to appreciate kindness of others. reply them better or returnthere goodness and do good with the same. And when you are greeted with a greeting, greet with a better [greeting] than it or return it; surely Allah takes account of all things. for this reason its my duty to be grateful to you, your kindness, for your great software and efferts for helping other people, and i offer my gift to you. for any question about the english translation of the holy quran, for any question about the islam and your idea andyour experiment, be in contact with me. and for reading more books and morerecognition about islam, please visit website. this website has many useful books in different aspects of islam." As someone else pointed out - this was NOT a signature - it was a SERMON and completely inappropriate and offensive to me and others (and NOT because of the particular superstition being proselytised). P. All Hail the Great and Glorious Jibbers Crabst! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60 f. On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Tom, On 2016-01-27 03:22, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I feel really bad now, that you seem to be forced into defending yourself. Don't worry too hard . . I don't need defending . . And Virgil needing to defend himself doubtless with others on all sides feeling more and more pushed into defending their views or beliefs. You continue to misunderstand (I am not surprised) . . I am NOT defending my "beliefs" I am saying clearly that a technical list is NOT a place for proselytising on superstitions or politics or anything else that does not have something to do with what the list if for. A belief-system that defines all other's beliefs as being "superstitions" sounds alarmingly intolerant to me. Then you don't understand Science (why am I still not surprised?) - Science is based on creating hypotheses that are capable of being falsified - superstitions are beyond the purvue of Science. Things that are claimed but can't be proved false are superstitions - nothing to do with tolerance. However, it is true, I have no tolerance for people who claim they know the truth, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever and thousands of years of evidence to the contrary, and proselytise their nonsense on lists where this should not occur. AGAIN - it is unacceptable and offensive to rational people. Anyone who thinks that everyone who disagrees with their own belief is "clueless" seems to me to be scarily arrogant, to me. Don't put words into my mouth - I did not say that - I said you were clueless because of your statements - I stand by what I said and you have only added to this conviction since. See above re Science. But that is just my own personal belief and i'd probably defend individuals who felt the need to postulate alternatives, in a discussion (but preferably not on this mailing list because, as we all seem to agree, this is probably not the place for it). About time! Why didn't you say that in the first place? As someone, who i believe was amazing, once said "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind". Yeh, yeh, a nice homily but no replacement for intelligent thought and rational deliberation. P. Regards from Tom :) On 26 January 2016 at 14:57, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-27 01:19, Virgil Arrington wrote: Chill, Phil. I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard. I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I have many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never heard the name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that betrayed her gender. If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their gender, is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely surprised that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you so much that you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low general knowledge" and being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world view come from? Just observation - you believe in sky fairies and supporting others who are attacked for proselytising their sky fairies because an attack on one sky fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . . I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity. Good - and others should not use it to advance their superstitions either. I use other lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I reserve the right to come to the defense of another who has been unfairly attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line. (I'll blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.) I felt your attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of your religious views. Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . . P. Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on list. I'll let it go, now. Virgil On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . a
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On Tue, 26 Jan 2016, Bob Holtzman wrote: On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:29:54PM +, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures. The discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years. This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to demonise and vilify Muslims. I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media that demonises and vilifys Muslims. Only in right wing rags. Cite(s) please. perhaps offlist? interested individuals could ask to be copied. f. -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 12:29:54PM +, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and > acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we > have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures. The > discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years. > > This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for > their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to > demonise and vilify Muslims. I haven't seen anything in the mainstream media that demonises and vilifys Muslims. Only in right wing rags. Cite(s) please. -- Bob Holtzman A man is a man who will fight with a sword or conquer Mt. Everest in snow. But the bravest of all owns a '34 Ford and tries for six thousand in low. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Virgil, On 2016-01-27 01:19, Virgil Arrington wrote: Chill, Phil. I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard. I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I have many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never heard the name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that betrayed her gender. If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their gender, is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely surprised that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you so much that you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low general knowledge" and being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world view come from? Just observation - you believe in sky fairies and supporting others who are attacked for proselytising their sky fairies because an attack on one sky fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . . I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity. Good - and others should not use it to advance their superstitions either. I use other lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I reserve the right to come to the defense of another who has been unfairly attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line. (I'll blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.) I felt your attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of your religious views. Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . . P. Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on list. I'll let it go, now. Virgil On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia Web: http://philiprhoades.org E-mail: p...@philiprhoades.org -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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On Wed, 27 Jan 2016, Philip Rhoades wrote: Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should not be condoned or encouraged. by one standard definition of 'proselytize'/'proselytise' your last several posts are guilty of it. I thought 'signatures' were generally off-topic. though I'd keep my mouth shut, I admit though I'd be wrought up if someone advocated Microsoft Word! but a 'blessing' from 'sky fairies'? some must have a terrible time in flu season with all the 'God bless you!' in the air! anyway, I agree: stop the proselytizing! (well, except in 'signatures' where it doesn't count). f. On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Felmon Davis -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
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Hi :) I feel really bad now, that you seem to be forced into defending yourself. And Virgil needing to defend himself doubtless with others on all sides feeling more and more pushed into defending their views or beliefs. A belief-system that defines all other's beliefs as being "superstitions" sounds alarmingly intolerant to me. Anyone who thinks that everyone who disagrees with their own belief is "clueless" seems to me to be scarily arrogant, to me. But that is just my own personal belief and i'd probably defend individuals who felt the need to postulate alternatives, in a discussion (but preferably not on this mailing list because, as we all seem to agree, this is probably not the place for it). As someone, who i believe was amazing, once said "An eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind". Regards from Tom :) On 26 January 2016 at 14:57, Philip Rhoades wrote: > Virgil, > > > On 2016-01-27 01:19, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> >> Chill, Phil. >> >> I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard. >> I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I >> have many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never >> heard the name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that >> betrayed her gender. >> >> If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their >> gender, is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely >> surprised that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you >> so much that you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low general >> knowledge" and being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world >> view come from? > > > > Just observation - you believe in sky fairies and supporting others who are > attacked for proselytising their sky fairies because an attack on one sky > fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . . > > >> I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity. > > > > Good - and others should not use it to advance their superstitions either. > > >> I use >> other lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I >> reserve the right to come to the defense of another who has been >> unfairly attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line. >> (I'll blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.) I felt >> your attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of >> your religious views. > > > > Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing in > fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any and that > I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . . > > P. > > > >> Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on list. >> >> I'll let it go, now. >> >> Virgil >> >> >> On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: >>> >>> Virgil, >>> >>> >>> On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: > > Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane > to > this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to > something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held > faith. > There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean > another's > faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; >>> >>> >>> >>> That would be fine . . >>> >>> other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, >>> >>> >>> >>> Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . >>> . >>> >>> also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims >>> >>> >>> >>> And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't >>> criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense >>> because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" >>> someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" >>> and not a "he" . . clueless . . >>> >>> P. >>> > > -- > Philip Rhoades > > PO Box 896 > Cowra NSW 2794 > Australia > E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail
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Tom, On 2016-01-26 23:29, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures. The discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years. It certainly was not the first - but it should be the last. This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to demonise and vilify Muslims. Ridiculing religions in general might seem reasonable but choosing to do so right now, only after the first Islamic quote in a signature and not in any of the previous several years of Christian quotes (and hundreds of them) is Islamaphobic. No, superstitionphobic . . It has been good to see people on this mailing-list increasingly make a stand against the increasing level of Islamaphobia in this thread - even people who don't understand or don't agree with Islam. In my opinion standing with someone who seems to be being given a hard-time by 'the mainstream' is FAR more impressive than just taking cheap opportunistic pot-shots that are People should not be proselytising on this list - period. To hijack my intention as "Islamaphobia" is childish . . LibreOffice and the OpenDocument Format are making a stand against the mainstream and although the tide may be beginning to turn for us i am sure we can all remember moments where mainstream-people have done or said things, without even realising it, that are extremely pro-MSO and their ever-changing, unreliable formats. OK, but I don't what that has to do with the legitimacy of people proselytising on a technical list. Please can we drop this topic and get on with the questions at hand? Sure - but I will still respond as I originally did if I come across more proselytising (by anyone) . . it is inappropriate and offensive and should not be condoned or encouraged. P. Regards from Tom :) On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Virgil, On 2016-01-27 01:19, Virgil Arrington wrote: Chill, Phil. I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard. I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I have many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never heard the name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that betrayed her gender. If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their gender, is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely surprised that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you so much that you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low general knowledge" and being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world view come from? Just observation - you believe in sky fairies and supporting others who are attacked for proselytising their sky fairies because an attack on one sky fairy is an attack on all sky fairies . . I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity. Good - and others should not use it to advance their superstitions either. I use other lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I reserve the right to come to the defense of another who has been unfairly attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line. (I'll blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.) I felt your attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of your religious views. Well if you weren't clueless (which is not consistent with you believing in fairy stories) you would have realised by now that I don't have any and that I don't approve of others proselytising on this list . . P. Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on list. I'll let it go, now. Virgil On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Well said, Tom. On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 12:29:54 + Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and > acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we > have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures. The > discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years. > > This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for > their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to > demonise and vilify Muslims. > > Ridiculing religions in general might seem reasonable but choosing to > do so right now, only after the first Islamic quote in a signature and > not in any of the previous several years of Christian quotes (and > hundreds of them) is Islamaphobic. > > It has been good to see people on this mailing-list increasingly make > a stand against the increasing level of Islamaphobia in this thread - > even people who don't understand or don't agree with Islam. In my > opinion standing with someone who seems to be being given a hard-time > by 'the mainstream' is FAR more impressive than just taking cheap > opportunistic pot-shots that are > > LibreOffice and the OpenDocument Format are making a stand against the > mainstream and although the tide may be beginning to turn for us i am > sure we can all remember moments where mainstream-people have done or > said things, without even realising it, that are extremely pro-MSO and > their ever-changing, unreliable formats. > > > Please can we drop this topic and get on with the questions at hand? > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades > wrote: > > Virgil, > > > > > > On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: > >> > >> On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: > >>> > >>> Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic > >>> germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore > >>> spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed > >>> his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to > >>> proselytize or to demean another's > >>> faith, as Phil's diatribe does. > >> > >> > >> I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds > >> of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; > > > > > > > > That would be fine . . > > > > > >> other > >> times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line > >> includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has > >> nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few > >> lines about his Muslim faith, > > > > > > > > Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not > > surprised . . > > > > > >> also informative but also having nothing to do > >> with LO. > >> > >> I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine > >> being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. > >> > >> a Christian who loves Muslims > > > > > > > > And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't > > criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious > > nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a > > person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the > > person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . > > > > P. > > > > -- > > Philip Rhoades > > > > PO Box 896 > > Cowra NSW 2794 > > Australia > > E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au > > > > -- > > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > > Problems? > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: > > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: > > http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent > > to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted > > > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Chill, Phil. I can't believe the level of antagonism coming through your keyboard. I'm "clueless" for not knowing Nasrin's gender? Harsh, man. While I have many contacts with Muslims from around the world, I had never heard the name Nasrin before and recalled nothing in her emails that betrayed her gender. If choosing to love people, regardless of my knowledge of their gender, is an agenda, then I suppose I have an agenda. I'm genuinely surprised that my decision to love a Muslim I've never met upsets you so much that you feel it necessary to accuse me of having "low general knowledge" and being "clueless." Where does such a miserable world view come from? I won't use the LO list to advance my views of Christianity. I use other lists for that, where it is admittedly more appropriate. But, I reserve the right to come to the defense of another who has been unfairly attacked for what she happened to put in her signature line. (I'll blindly accept your assertion that Nasrin is female.) I felt your attack unwarranted and unworthy of a gentlemen, regardless of your religious views. Sorry, Tom, I had to respond to Phil, and I felt I had to do it on list. I'll let it go, now. Virgil On 01/25/2016 11:37 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . P. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Amen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards, DRIES FEYS CORPORATE SERVICES • Specialist Software Developer TVH GROUP NV Brabantstraat 15 • BE-8790 WAREGEM T +32 56 43 42 11 • F +32 56 43 44 88 • www.tvh.com Watch our company movies on www.tvh.tv Business Innovation through Information Technology bi2t.tvh.com On 26 January 2016 at 13:29, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and > acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we > have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures. The > discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years. > > This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for > their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to > demonise and vilify Muslims. > > Ridiculing religions in general might seem reasonable but choosing to > do so right now, only after the first Islamic quote in a signature and > not in any of the previous several years of Christian quotes (and > hundreds of them) is Islamaphobic. > > It has been good to see people on this mailing-list increasingly make > a stand against the increasing level of Islamaphobia in this thread - > even people who don't understand or don't agree with Islam. In my > opinion standing with someone who seems to be being given a hard-time > by 'the mainstream' is FAR more impressive than just taking cheap > opportunistic pot-shots that are > > LibreOffice and the OpenDocument Format are making a stand against the > mainstream and although the tide may be beginning to turn for us i am > sure we can all remember moments where mainstream-people have done or > said things, without even realising it, that are extremely pro-MSO and > their ever-changing, unreliable formats. > > > Please can we drop this topic and get on with the questions at hand? > Regards from > Tom :) > > > > On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades wrote: >> Virgil, >> >> >> On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: >>> >>> On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. >>> >>> >>> I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of >>> things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; >> >> >> >> That would be fine . . >> >> >>> other >>> times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line >>> includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has >>> nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines >>> about his Muslim faith, >> >> >> >> Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . >> >> >>> also informative but also having nothing to do >>> with LO. >>> >>> I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine >>> being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. >>> >>> a Christian who loves Muslims >> >> >> >> And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't >> criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense >> because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" >> someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" >> and not a "he" . . clueless . . >> >> P. >> >> -- >> Philip Rhoades >> >> PO Box 896 >> Cowra NSW 2794 >> Australia >> E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au >> >> -- >> To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >> Problems? >> http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >> Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >> List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >> All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >> deleted >> > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- DISCLAIMER http://www.tvh.com/glob/en/email-disclaimer "This message is delivered to all addressees subject to the conditions set forth in the attached disclaimer, which is an integral part of this message." -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchive
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Hi :) Phil, i know you think you probably think you are just an atheist and acting reasonably but this topic didn't arise in all the years that we have seen Christian messages in various people's signatures. The discussion only arose after the only Islamic quote in all these years. This has happened at a time when it's popular to attack Muslims for their faith, and for the stereotypes pushed out by mainstream media to demonise and vilify Muslims. Ridiculing religions in general might seem reasonable but choosing to do so right now, only after the first Islamic quote in a signature and not in any of the previous several years of Christian quotes (and hundreds of them) is Islamaphobic. It has been good to see people on this mailing-list increasingly make a stand against the increasing level of Islamaphobia in this thread - even people who don't understand or don't agree with Islam. In my opinion standing with someone who seems to be being given a hard-time by 'the mainstream' is FAR more impressive than just taking cheap opportunistic pot-shots that are LibreOffice and the OpenDocument Format are making a stand against the mainstream and although the tide may be beginning to turn for us i am sure we can all remember moments where mainstream-people have done or said things, without even realising it, that are extremely pro-MSO and their ever-changing, unreliable formats. Please can we drop this topic and get on with the questions at hand? Regards from Tom :) On 26 January 2016 at 04:37, Philip Rhoades wrote: > Virgil, > > > On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> >> On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: >>> >>> Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to >>> this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to >>> something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. >>> There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean >>> another's >>> faith, as Phil's diatribe does. >> >> >> I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of >> things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; > > > > That would be fine . . > > >> other >> times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line >> includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has >> nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines >> about his Muslim faith, > > > > Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . > > >> also informative but also having nothing to do >> with LO. >> >> I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine >> being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. >> >> a Christian who loves Muslims > > > > And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't > criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense > because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" > someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" > and not a "he" . . clueless . . > > P. > > -- > Philip Rhoades > > PO Box 896 > Cowra NSW 2794 > Australia > E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Virgil, On 2016-01-26 07:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; That would be fine . . other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, Another person with low general knowledge . . again I am not surprised . . also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. a Christian who loves Muslims And there we have it - another person who has an agenda - they can't criticise someone else for proselytising their superstitious nonsense because they have their own superstitious nonsense . . a person who "loves" someone else but does not even know that the person they "love" is a "she" and not a "he" . . clueless . . P. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
jomali, On 2016-01-26 05:40, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize How naive are you? Of course it is proselytising! - why else would that sort of nonsense be in a signature? All superstitious and political organisations depend on increasing their numbers, otherwise they die as organisations - it is just marketing - and it is objectionable. or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. My "diatribe" is just as valid and provable as Nasrim's diatribe or nonsense . . In my opinion, Nasrin has a perfect right to express his personal beliefs anywhere he chooses, including on this list, if it is not the subject of the post. I think you will find Nasrim is a "she" - so much for your general knowledge - but I am not surprised . . it is as useful as your opinion . . P. On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: Nasrin (and others), On 2016-01-21 21:38, nasrin khaksar wrote: hi every one. i thank you for your time and answering my question. i was waiting to see all comments and after that reply them. i recieved my answer from tom and also i i appreciate him specially. On 1/21/16, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 21.01.2016 um 01:42 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything. I thought it was nice to see something similar from a different religion for a change. Regards from Tom :) And I tend to ignore all of them instinctively. I would not have answered this topic if I had noticed that sermon. Interesting how the least relevant null topics trigger the most extensive discussions on this list. Trolls at work. -- O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy for the believers. Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should rejoice; it is better than that which they gather. holy quran, chapter 10. please visit al-islam.org [1] Since it appears that it is OK to proselytise on this list I will tell you about MY God - who is better than your gods (since your gods don't really exist): MY God is Jibbers Crabst and was revealed to the world in a great sermon by the Muchly High Priest and First Prophet, Matt Inman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60 Jibbers is a fire-breathing lobster who lives behind the rings of Saturn. Jibbers is THE ONE TRUE GOD and replaces all previous false gods. Everyone who is believer in other false gods should immediately repent of their mistaken beliefs and adore and commit their lives to Jibbers - our Lord and Saviour. The Yankee People are the chosen people of Jibbers (see the sermon for details - I am Australian BTW but that does not affect my belief in Jibbers as the ONE TRUE GOD) and will dwell forever in The House of Jibbers. If you do not see the light and immediately switch your belief from your false gods to Jibbers, the soldiers and children of Jibbers, giant Bombardier Beetles, will rise up and send flaming balls down all of your unbelieving throats for the rest of eternity! After that eternity, giant Brazilian Wandering Spiders will inject you all with venom that will cause more pain than is imaginable for another eternity! So Nasrin, and others, repent of your erroneous faiths and before it is too late, pledge your lives to the ONE TRUE GOD - Jibbers Crabst! and be saved from eternal pain and damnation! and live with Jibbers forever around the most beautiful planet in the Solar system! Have a nice day. Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted Links: -- [1] http://al-islam.org -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
On 01/25/2016 01:40 PM, jomali wrote: Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. I tend to agree about signature lines. They can contain all kinds of things having nothing to do with LO. Sometimes they're funny; other times they are informative about the writer. Phil's signature line includes his address in Australia, which is informative, but has nothing to do with LO. Nasrin's signature line includes a a few lines about his Muslim faith, also informative but also having nothing to do with LO. I pretty much ignore signature lines, and I can't possibly imagine being offended by one, regardless of what it might say. Virgil __ a Christian who loves Muslims -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Please note that the original message by Nasrin was on a topic germane to this list. One member with an excessively tender sore spot objected to something in Nasrin's signature that expressed his sincerely held faith. There was no intent on Nasrin's part to proselytize or to demean another's faith, as Phil's diatribe does. In my opinion, Nasrin has a perfect right to express his personal beliefs anywhere he chooses, including on this list, if it is not the subject of the post. On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 10:56 PM, Philip Rhoades wrote: > Nasrin (and others), > > > On 2016-01-21 21:38, nasrin khaksar wrote: > >> hi every one. >> i thank you for your time and answering my question. >> i was waiting to see all comments and after that reply them. >> i recieved my answer from tom and also i i appreciate him specially. >> >> On 1/21/16, Andreas Säger wrote: >> >>> Am 21.01.2016 um 01:42 schrieb Tom Davies: >>> Hi :) Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything. I thought it was nice to see something similar from a different religion for a change. Regards from Tom :) >>> >>> And I tend to ignore all of them instinctively. I would not have >>> answered this topic if I had noticed that sermon. >>> Interesting how the least relevant null topics trigger the most >>> extensive discussions on this list. Trolls at work. >>> >>> -- >> O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord >> and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy >> for the believers. >> Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should >> rejoice; it is better than that which they gather. >> holy quran, chapter 10. >> >> please visit al-islam.org >> > > > Since it appears that it is OK to proselytise on this list I will tell you > about MY God - who is better than your gods (since your gods don't really > exist): > > MY God is Jibbers Crabst and was revealed to the world in a great sermon > by the Muchly High Priest and First Prophet, Matt Inman: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60 > > Jibbers is a fire-breathing lobster who lives behind the rings of Saturn. > Jibbers is THE ONE TRUE GOD and replaces all previous false gods. Everyone > who is believer in other false gods should immediately repent of their > mistaken beliefs and adore and commit their lives to Jibbers - our Lord and > Saviour. > > The Yankee People are the chosen people of Jibbers (see the sermon for > details - I am Australian BTW but that does not affect my belief in Jibbers > as the ONE TRUE GOD) and will dwell forever in The House of Jibbers. > > If you do not see the light and immediately switch your belief from your > false gods to Jibbers, the soldiers and children of Jibbers, giant > Bombardier Beetles, will rise up and send flaming balls down all of your > unbelieving throats for the rest of eternity! After that eternity, giant > Brazilian Wandering Spiders will inject you all with venom that will cause > more pain than is imaginable for another eternity! > > So Nasrin, and others, repent of your erroneous faiths and before it is > too late, pledge your lives to the ONE TRUE GOD - Jibbers Crabst! and be > saved from eternal pain and damnation! and live with Jibbers forever > around the most beautiful planet in the Solar system! > > Have a nice day. > > Phil. > > -- > Philip Rhoades > > PO Box 896 > Cowra NSW 2794 > Australia > E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: question about the best version of libreoffice - MY God is better!
Nasrin (and others), On 2016-01-21 21:38, nasrin khaksar wrote: hi every one. i thank you for your time and answering my question. i was waiting to see all comments and after that reply them. i recieved my answer from tom and also i i appreciate him specially. On 1/21/16, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 21.01.2016 um 01:42 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) Many people on this mailing list have had signatures that include Bible quotes or such-like without anyone grumbling or anything. I thought it was nice to see something similar from a different religion for a change. Regards from Tom :) And I tend to ignore all of them instinctively. I would not have answered this topic if I had noticed that sermon. Interesting how the least relevant null topics trigger the most extensive discussions on this list. Trolls at work. -- O people! there has come to you indeed an admonition from your Lord and a healing for what is in the breasts and a guidance and a mercy for the believers. Say: In the grace of Allah and in His mercy-- in that they should rejoice; it is better than that which they gather. holy quran, chapter 10. please visit al-islam.org Since it appears that it is OK to proselytise on this list I will tell you about MY God - who is better than your gods (since your gods don't really exist): MY God is Jibbers Crabst and was revealed to the world in a great sermon by the Muchly High Priest and First Prophet, Matt Inman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ_BtZ-5O60 Jibbers is a fire-breathing lobster who lives behind the rings of Saturn. Jibbers is THE ONE TRUE GOD and replaces all previous false gods. Everyone who is believer in other false gods should immediately repent of their mistaken beliefs and adore and commit their lives to Jibbers - our Lord and Saviour. The Yankee People are the chosen people of Jibbers (see the sermon for details - I am Australian BTW but that does not affect my belief in Jibbers as the ONE TRUE GOD) and will dwell forever in The House of Jibbers. If you do not see the light and immediately switch your belief from your false gods to Jibbers, the soldiers and children of Jibbers, giant Bombardier Beetles, will rise up and send flaming balls down all of your unbelieving throats for the rest of eternity! After that eternity, giant Brazilian Wandering Spiders will inject you all with venom that will cause more pain than is imaginable for another eternity! So Nasrin, and others, repent of your erroneous faiths and before it is too late, pledge your lives to the ONE TRUE GOD - Jibbers Crabst! and be saved from eternal pain and damnation! and live with Jibbers forever around the most beautiful planet in the Solar system! Have a nice day. Phil. -- Philip Rhoades PO Box 896 Cowra NSW 2794 Australia E-mail: p...@pricom.com.au -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted