Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi :) It's always a good idea to post to the Users List first because if we can't answer it we can signpost to documentation and / or better lists also we do have people with unexpected skills, talents and experience on this list. Sorry to hear you didn't get a response from the devs list. If any list has not given a decent response after a day or 2 then post again, preferably as a comment into the same thread as the one you just started but as a new question might not hurt either. Apols and regards from Tom :) From: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; michael.me...@suse.com michael.me...@suse.com Cc: LibreOffice Users users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 20:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice On 03/19/2013 01:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Thanks for the answer. I think the question was beyond the scope of the Users List and i don't know if anyone got around to pointing the person to the devs lists. Hi Tom, Michael did point me at the developers list and when I sent my last mail through I cced the developers list, but as yet I haven't had a response. Michael has provided me with some more info that should help with what I am trying to do. regards, Steve Err, was there a slight typo in the last paragraph? Seems like grep got typed as grok? which you can grok for user-visible strings Perhaps would have been more generic as look for? Regards from Tom :) From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au Cc: LibreOffice Users users@global.libreoffice.org; Kohei Yoshida kyosh...@novell.com; libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 11:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 08:34 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I am having all sorts of problems with the source code in Eclipse. I have created a new blank C++ project in Eclipse and imported the entire sc directory into that project. Subsequently I have opened dpgroupdlg.cxx in the editor (I'm also not sure why Eclipse displays all directories duplicated) and Eclipse is displaying errors on just about every statement in that file. Well - that's really Eclipse' problem :-) can you turn off it's bogus error display ? I guess getting help with Eclipse would be a good thing to do. Potentially you don't want to create a project - but just use it to edit the specific files. I think the first thing I need to do is to find all the include files and add those directories into the include file path in the project properties. One of the problems I have is that the statement com::sun::star::sheet::DataPilotFieldGroupBy::SECONDS, is producing an error complaining that symbol SECONDS is not found. This is from an UNO / generated header. It seems highly unlikely that Eclipse is going to do a perfect job of building LibreOffice. As such, I would use it as a syntax-colouring text editor - not in it's all-seeing monster mode ;-) How I configure eclipse to consider the idl file to be the same as the hpp file so that these symbols get resolved? I have no idea. You need to edit the code with some sort of source code editor, Elipse is one option. If it can't control it's urges to try to understand the entire (apparently not built) code-base then I'd recommend using something else ;-) I am also having difficulty determining which dp module equates to the dialog that gets displayed for variables that are dragged to the pivot table layout areas, to specify the attributes of those variables. Is there any documentation anywhere that explains what each module within the suite actually does and how they relate to what is actually displayed by Libreoffice for each function it performs? Each module ? each top-level directory has README - patches to improve them appreciated. Sadly there is no further good structural documentation at all. In general - if you want to go from the UI - the source code, you need to go via the .src files - which you can grok for user-visible strings, and then look for the defined names of those in the .hrc files - which are shared between resources and C++ and hence into the relevant source code and down to a widget. Hope that helps :-) Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 08:34 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I am having all sorts of problems with the source code in Eclipse. I have created a new blank C++ project in Eclipse and imported the entire sc directory into that project. Subsequently I have opened dpgroupdlg.cxx in the editor (I'm also not sure why Eclipse displays all directories duplicated) and Eclipse is displaying errors on just about every statement in that file. Well - that's really Eclipse' problem :-) can you turn off it's bogus error display ? I guess getting help with Eclipse would be a good thing to do. Potentially you don't want to create a project - but just use it to edit the specific files. I think the first thing I need to do is to find all the include files and add those directories into the include file path in the project properties. One of the problems I have is that the statement com::sun::star::sheet::DataPilotFieldGroupBy::SECONDS, is producing an error complaining that symbol SECONDS is not found. This is from an UNO / generated header. It seems highly unlikely that Eclipse is going to do a perfect job of building LibreOffice. As such, I would use it as a syntax-colouring text editor - not in it's all-seeing monster mode ;-) How I configure eclipse to consider the idl file to be the same as the hpp file so that these symbols get resolved? I have no idea. You need to edit the code with some sort of source code editor, Elipse is one option. If it can't control it's urges to try to understand the entire (apparently not built) code-base then I'd recommend using something else ;-) I am also having difficulty determining which dp module equates to the dialog that gets displayed for variables that are dragged to the pivot table layout areas, to specify the attributes of those variables. Is there any documentation anywhere that explains what each module within the suite actually does and how they relate to what is actually displayed by Libreoffice for each function it performs? Each module ? each top-level directory has README - patches to improve them appreciated. Sadly there is no further good structural documentation at all. In general - if you want to go from the UI - the source code, you need to go via the .src files - which you can grok for user-visible strings, and then look for the defined names of those in the .hrc files - which are shared between resources and C++ and hence into the relevant source code and down to a widget. Hope that helps :-) Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi :) Thanks for the answer. I think the question was beyond the scope of the Users List and i don't know if anyone got around to pointing the person to the devs lists. Err, was there a slight typo in the last paragraph? Seems like grep got typed as grok? which you can grok for user-visible strings Perhaps would have been more generic as look for? Regards from Tom :) From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au Cc: LibreOffice Users users@global.libreoffice.org; Kohei Yoshida kyosh...@novell.com; libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 11:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 08:34 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I am having all sorts of problems with the source code in Eclipse. I have created a new blank C++ project in Eclipse and imported the entire sc directory into that project. Subsequently I have opened dpgroupdlg.cxx in the editor (I'm also not sure why Eclipse displays all directories duplicated) and Eclipse is displaying errors on just about every statement in that file. Well - that's really Eclipse' problem :-) can you turn off it's bogus error display ? I guess getting help with Eclipse would be a good thing to do. Potentially you don't want to create a project - but just use it to edit the specific files. I think the first thing I need to do is to find all the include files and add those directories into the include file path in the project properties. One of the problems I have is that the statement com::sun::star::sheet::DataPilotFieldGroupBy::SECONDS, is producing an error complaining that symbol SECONDS is not found. This is from an UNO / generated header. It seems highly unlikely that Eclipse is going to do a perfect job of building LibreOffice. As such, I would use it as a syntax-colouring text editor - not in it's all-seeing monster mode ;-) How I configure eclipse to consider the idl file to be the same as the hpp file so that these symbols get resolved? I have no idea. You need to edit the code with some sort of source code editor, Elipse is one option. If it can't control it's urges to try to understand the entire (apparently not built) code-base then I'd recommend using something else ;-) I am also having difficulty determining which dp module equates to the dialog that gets displayed for variables that are dragged to the pivot table layout areas, to specify the attributes of those variables. Is there any documentation anywhere that explains what each module within the suite actually does and how they relate to what is actually displayed by Libreoffice for each function it performs? Each module ? each top-level directory has README - patches to improve them appreciated. Sadly there is no further good structural documentation at all. In general - if you want to go from the UI - the source code, you need to go via the .src files - which you can grok for user-visible strings, and then look for the defined names of those in the .hrc files - which are shared between resources and C++ and hence into the relevant source code and down to a widget. Hope that helps :-) Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Tom, No typo, http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/ Yes it is a nod to Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land... Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:56 AM To: michael.me...@suse.com Cc: LibreOffice Users Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Hi :) Thanks for the answer. I think the question was beyond the scope of the Users List and i don't know if anyone got around to pointing the person to the devs lists. Err, was there a slight typo in the last paragraph? Seems like grep got typed as grok? which you can grok for user-visible strings Perhaps would have been more generic as look for? Regards from Tom :) From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 11:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice In general - if you want to go from the UI - the source code, you need to go via the .src files - which you can grok for user-visible strings, and then look for the defined names of those in the .hrc files - which are shared between resources and C++ and hence into the relevant source code and down to a widget. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi :) Thanks Stuart. Ouch! That is annoying! When i see grok i read it as meaning a deep and thorough understanding of. I wouldn't have thought of it being a specialist search engine. Thanks for letting me know tho :) Thanks and regards from Tom :) From: V Stuart Foote vstuart.fo...@utsa.edu To: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk; LibreOffice Users users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 15:15 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Tom, No typo, http://opengrok.libreoffice.org/ Yes it is a nod to Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land... Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 9:56 AM To: michael.me...@suse.com Cc: LibreOffice Users Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Hi :) Thanks for the answer. I think the question was beyond the scope of the Users List and i don't know if anyone got around to pointing the person to the devs lists. Err, was there a slight typo in the last paragraph? Seems like grep got typed as grok? which you can grok for user-visible strings Perhaps would have been more generic as look for? Regards from Tom :) From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 11:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice In general - if you want to go from the UI - the source code, you need to go via the .src files - which you can grok for user-visible strings, and then look for the defined names of those in the .hrc files - which are shared between resources and C++ and hence into the relevant source code and down to a widget. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On 03/19/2013 01:56 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Thanks for the answer. I think the question was beyond the scope of the Users List and i don't know if anyone got around to pointing the person to the devs lists. Hi Tom, Michael did point me at the developers list and when I sent my last mail through I cced the developers list, but as yet I haven't had a response. Michael has provided me with some more info that should help with what I am trying to do. regards, Steve Err, was there a slight typo in the last paragraph? Seems like grep got typed as grok? which you can grok for user-visible strings Perhaps would have been more generic as look for? Regards from Tom :) From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@suse.com To: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au Cc: LibreOffice Users users@global.libreoffice.org; Kohei Yoshida kyosh...@novell.com; libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org Sent: Monday, 18 March 2013, 11:54 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 08:34 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I am having all sorts of problems with the source code in Eclipse. I have created a new blank C++ project in Eclipse and imported the entire sc directory into that project. Subsequently I have opened dpgroupdlg.cxx in the editor (I'm also not sure why Eclipse displays all directories duplicated) and Eclipse is displaying errors on just about every statement in that file. Well - that's really Eclipse' problem :-) can you turn off it's bogus error display ? I guess getting help with Eclipse would be a good thing to do. Potentially you don't want to create a project - but just use it to edit the specific files. I think the first thing I need to do is to find all the include files and add those directories into the include file path in the project properties. One of the problems I have is that the statement com::sun::star::sheet::DataPilotFieldGroupBy::SECONDS, is producing an error complaining that symbol SECONDS is not found. This is from an UNO / generated header. It seems highly unlikely that Eclipse is going to do a perfect job of building LibreOffice. As such, I would use it as a syntax-colouring text editor - not in it's all-seeing monster mode ;-) How I configure eclipse to consider the idl file to be the same as the hpp file so that these symbols get resolved? I have no idea. You need to edit the code with some sort of source code editor, Elipse is one option. If it can't control it's urges to try to understand the entire (apparently not built) code-base then I'd recommend using something else ;-) I am also having difficulty determining which dp module equates to the dialog that gets displayed for variables that are dragged to the pivot table layout areas, to specify the attributes of those variables. Is there any documentation anywhere that explains what each module within the suite actually does and how they relate to what is actually displayed by Libreoffice for each function it performs? Each module ? each top-level directory has README - patches to improve them appreciated. Sadly there is no further good structural documentation at all. In general - if you want to go from the UI - the source code, you need to go via the .src files - which you can grok for user-visible strings, and then look for the defined names of those in the .hrc files - which are shared between resources and C++ and hence into the relevant source code and down to a widget. Hope that helps :-) Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On 03/18/2013 10:54 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-03-18 at 08:34 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I am having all sorts of problems with the source code in Eclipse. I have created a new blank C++ project in Eclipse and imported the entire sc directory into that project. Subsequently I have opened dpgroupdlg.cxx in the editor (I'm also not sure why Eclipse displays all directories duplicated) and Eclipse is displaying errors on just about every statement in that file. Well - that's really Eclipse' problem :-) can you turn off it's bogus error display ? I guess getting help with Eclipse would be a good thing to do. Potentially you don't want to create a project - but just use it to edit the specific files. I think what has caused my problem is that I am using the JEE version of Eclipse that I have added the C/C++ project to, and the JEE version has project auto build active by default, which is the only way java development should be done (in my opinion) as when you get these sorts of statement errors for standard java processes one of the solutions provided is for Eclipse to add the necessary include file into the code to resolve the issue (admittedly this won't work for user defined processes). I can turn off the auto build functionality. I think the first thing I need to do is to find all the include files and add those directories into the include file path in the project properties. One of the problems I have is that the statement com::sun::star::sheet::DataPilotFieldGroupBy::SECONDS, is producing an error complaining that symbol SECONDS is not found. This is from an UNO / generated header. It seems highly unlikely that Eclipse is going to do a perfect job of building LibreOffice. As such, I would use it as a syntax-colouring text editor - not in it's all-seeing monster mode ;-) I may be approaching this process from the wrong angle, but from my perspective I ideally need to create a project containing all the modules that make up calc, so that when I change the source code I can compile it and then run unit tests on the pivot processes and system tests on the entire calc program to make sure I haven't adversely impacted anything else in the application, particularly if I can implement the menu entry to allow formatting of pivot variables post pivot table creation. The easiest way to implement this is to create a project and then build the project which will then create the program. How I configure eclipse to consider the idl file to be the same as the hpp file so that these symbols get resolved? I have no idea. You need to edit the code with some sort of source code editor, Elipse is one option. If it can't control it's urges to try to understand the entire (apparently not built) code-base then I'd recommend using something else ;-) The only other editor I use occasionally is Netbeans but it does the same thing. I am also having difficulty determining which dp module equates to the dialog that gets displayed for variables that are dragged to the pivot table layout areas, to specify the attributes of those variables. Is there any documentation anywhere that explains what each module within the suite actually does and how they relate to what is actually displayed by Libreoffice for each function it performs? Each module ? each top-level directory has README - patches to improve them appreciated. Sadly there is no further good structural documentation at all. In general - if you want to go from the UI - the source code, you need to go via the .src files - which you can grok for user-visible strings, and then look for the defined names of those in the .hrc files - which are shared between resources and C++ and hence into the relevant source code and down to a widget. I'll check these out and see if I can understand these first to try to work out how each of the modules interact with each other amalgamate to produce the entire calc application. regards, Steve Hope that helps :-) Michael. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On 02/13/2013 09:01 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Stephen, On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 07:59 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: Out of interest do you have a bug or two you want to hack on there ? the Pivot table code is in: sc/source/ui/dbgui/dpgroupdlg.cxx One of the issues I have with pivot tables in calc is that calc won't allow input variables to be renamed at pivot table creation time, it only allows renaming variables after table creation by editing the data in the header cells. Calc also doesn't allow renaming of variables in the page section of the pivot table. Calc doesn't allow the specification of formats for the variables being added at creation time, or at a later date via the menus as excel does, Calc only provides the ability to do it after creation of the table by applying formats to the cells in the table, hence if cells are re-arranged the formatting gets out of whack, and if the source data changes such that more rows are added on refresh, the additional rows won't have the format applied. Oh - interesting. So the formats thing sounds like a useful core feature you'd want to add to the pivot rendering; and the other bits are UI features. Certainly you'd be most welcome to work on this - Kohei is prolly the best contact here. The first thing to do is to get a build: http://www.libreoffice.org/developers-2/ When you have a working build of master, then we can get going with some more code reading pointers, How does that sound ? in general it's great to include the developers list too (no subscription required) just CC libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org All the best, Michael. Hi, I am having all sorts of problems with the source code in Eclipse. I have created a new blank C++ project in Eclipse and imported the entire sc directory into that project. Subsequently I have opened dpgroupdlg.cxx in the editor (I'm also not sure why Eclipse displays all directories duplicated) and Eclipse is displaying errors on just about every statement in that file. I think the first thing I need to do is to find all the include files and add those directories into the include file path in the project properties. One of the problems I have is that the statement com::sun::star::sheet::DataPilotFieldGroupBy::SECONDS, is producing an error complaining that symbol SECONDS is not found. In the include list there is an include of com/sun/star/sheet/DataPilotFieldGroupBy.hpp and I have found a directory of that name in the offapi subdirectory of libreoffice, but that path does not contain DataPilotFieldGroupBy.hpp it contains instead DataPilotFiedlGroupBy.idl which contains a definition of SECONDS and the other time symbols specific in the code. How I configure eclipse to consider the idl file to be the same as the hpp file so that these symbols get resolved? I am also having difficulty determining which dp module equates to the dialog that gets displayed for variables that are dragged to the pivot table layout areas, to specify the attributes of those variables. Is there any documentation anywhere that explains what each module within the suite actually does and how they relate to what is actually displayed by Libreoffice for each function it performs? regards, Steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On 02/13/2013 09:01 PM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Stephen, On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 07:59 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: Out of interest do you have a bug or two you want to hack on there ? the Pivot table code is in: sc/source/ui/dbgui/dpgroupdlg.cxx One of the issues I have with pivot tables in calc is that calc won't allow input variables to be renamed at pivot table creation time, it only allows renaming variables after table creation by editing the data in the header cells. Calc also doesn't allow renaming of variables in the page section of the pivot table. Calc doesn't allow the specification of formats for the variables being added at creation time, or at a later date via the menus as excel does, Calc only provides the ability to do it after creation of the table by applying formats to the cells in the table, hence if cells are re-arranged the formatting gets out of whack, and if the source data changes such that more rows are added on refresh, the additional rows won't have the format applied. Oh - interesting. So the formats thing sounds like a useful core feature you'd want to add to the pivot rendering; and the other bits are UI features. Certainly you'd be most welcome to work on this - Kohei is prolly the best contact here. The first thing to do is to get a build: http://www.libreoffice.org/developers-2/ When you have a working build of master, then we can get going with some more code reading pointers, How does that sound ? in general it's great to include the developers list too (no subscription required) just CC libreoffice-dev libreoff...@lists.freedesktop.org All the best, Michael. Hi Michael, That sounds great. I will probably need help when writing and designing the solution, as having not looked at the source code before I'm not sure how easy it will be to write it platform independent. Also, what I'm not sure about, which is more critical, is that if implement the functionality in a similar way to excel, am I breaching Microsoft copywrite and patents? regards, Steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi Stephen, On Wed, 2013-02-06 at 07:11 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: On 02/06/2013 04:56 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Adding the features you need to the core, so everyone can enjoy them out of the box is almost certainly the best way to achieve your goals - and (after all) C++ is not so distantly related to Java :-) I have already downloaded to source code and had considered modifying the code directly, but thought and extension might be easier and simpler, but if writing an extension means that it won't be guaranteed of making the product then modifying the code is the better way to go. Right ! in my experience it's almost always -much- simpler to edit the core code directly :-) I haven't looked at C++ in a long time but it shouldn't be that difficult to pick up again, and it should be easy to get the code suite into my Eclipse development environment once I update it for C++. Sounds great. I'm also running out of time for relating Calc's compatibility to Excel 2002 as in April/May the organisation I work for is upgrading to 2010, so I may just have to develop for compatibilty with that. :-) I have 2010 installed on this machine at home, but it is running under Windows and I'll be doing my development work under Linux, and last time I looked Office 2010 doesn't run under Wine nor CrossOver Office. So - often transferring files to/from a virtual-machine works; I use Office 2007 under Codeweavers Wine just fine (well a few rendering glitches from time to time but good for quick interop. testing). Out of interest do you have a bug or two you want to hack on there ? the Pivot table code is in: sc/source/core/data/dp*.cxx (last I looked) and the UI pieces in places like: sc/source/ui/dbgui/dpgroupdlg.cxx Better than that - we have unit tests for this stuff which live in: sc/qa/unit/ucalc.cxx /testPivotTable/ and other bits there. I'd recommend getting some sample documents setup that expose the new core features you want - and play with the master branch there. Of course this is best discussed on the developers list (no subscription required) which I've CC'd. HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi :) WoooHooo, C++ is much better and working with the devs in LO means the code can be tested more widely than if it was just written as a purely in-house Extension. Hopefully resulting in better code and better support for that code for whatever the company needed. Regards from Tom :) From: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au To: michael.me...@suse.com Cc: LibreOffice Users users@global.libreoffice.org; Kohei Yoshida kyosh...@novell.com Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 20:11 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice On 02/06/2013 04:56 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:57 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I have Eclipse with the OpenOffice plugin to enable development of extensions for Libreoffice. Can someone tell where I can get documentation on the Libreoffice Calc internals and how to interface specifically to things like the Pivot Table dialogue so that it can be extended. I want to work around the fact that Pivot Tables in Calc 3.6.5 are functionally not equivalent to Excel 2002 let alone Excel 2010? Oh - that's bad :-) I was also thinking of developing these extensions in Java, are there any issues with doing so? Well - if you develop this in Java then it's unlikely to get into the code code. Also - you'll have a rather grim time trying to get everything you want, and (I suspect) you'll find embedding into arbitrary dialogs is not really easy at all. So - I -strongly- recommend just checking out the code, compiling it and poking the developers list for some code pointers to that dialog. Adding the features you need to the core, so everyone can enjoy them out of the box is almost certainly the best way to achieve your goals - and (after all) C++ is not so distantly related to Java :-) Hi Michael, I have already downloaded to source code and had considered modifying the code directly, but thought and extension might be easier and simpler, but if writing an extension means that it won't be guaranteed of making the product then modifying the code is the better way to go. I haven't looked at C++ in a long time but it shouldn't be that difficult to pick up again, and it should be easy to get the code suite into my Eclipse development environment once I update it for C++. I'm also running out of time for relating Calc's compatibility to Excel 2002 as in April/May the organisation I work for is upgrading to 2010, so I may just have to develop for compatibilty with that. I have 2010 installed on this machine at home, but it is running under Windows and I'll be doing my development work under Linux, and last time I looked Office 2010 doesn't run under Wine nor CrossOver Office. regards, Steve Does that make sense ? Thanks ! Michael. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Via Simon Phipps on Twitter: We're rewriting the LibreOffice wizards in Python because we can no longer be sure Java will be there -- Michael Meeks, #FOSDEM Hopefully then Python will replace Basic too. And maybe there might even be some documentation for LO/Python some day. Sincerely, Wolfgang -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 17:08 +0100, Wolfgang Keller wrote: Via Simon Phipps on Twitter: We're rewriting the LibreOffice wizards in Python because we can no longer be sure Java will be there -- Michael Meeks, #FOSDEM Hopefully then Python will replace Basic too. And maybe there might even be some documentation for LO/Python some day. JFYI due to the joys of twitter - this is rather an horrible mis-quote due to truncation. I can't remember exactly what I said, the video will show as/when published but something like: we can no longer be sure Java will be there on Windows. ie. having our UI bomb out with horrible dialogs suggesting people download a JRE to make File-Wizards work is really not ideal; especially since we bundle a (tiny) python run-time already. Java is still a really great way to write cross-platform extensions for LibreOffice, and we still ship a load of java enablement pieces: they just require a working JRE to be on the system (nothing new there). HTH, Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:57 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I have Eclipse with the OpenOffice plugin to enable development of extensions for Libreoffice. Can someone tell where I can get documentation on the Libreoffice Calc internals and how to interface specifically to things like the Pivot Table dialogue so that it can be extended. I want to work around the fact that Pivot Tables in Calc 3.6.5 are functionally not equivalent to Excel 2002 let alone Excel 2010? Oh - that's bad :-) I was also thinking of developing these extensions in Java, are there any issues with doing so? Well - if you develop this in Java then it's unlikely to get into the code code. Also - you'll have a rather grim time trying to get everything you want, and (I suspect) you'll find embedding into arbitrary dialogs is not really easy at all. So - I -strongly- recommend just checking out the code, compiling it and poking the developers list for some code pointers to that dialog. Adding the features you need to the core, so everyone can enjoy them out of the box is almost certainly the best way to achieve your goals - and (after all) C++ is not so distantly related to Java :-) Does that make sense ? Thanks ! Michael. -- michael.me...@suse.com , Pseudo Engineer, itinerant idiot -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On 02/06/2013 04:56 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: Hi Stephen, On Mon, 2013-02-04 at 06:57 +1100, Stephen Morris wrote: I have Eclipse with the OpenOffice plugin to enable development of extensions for Libreoffice. Can someone tell where I can get documentation on the Libreoffice Calc internals and how to interface specifically to things like the Pivot Table dialogue so that it can be extended. I want to work around the fact that Pivot Tables in Calc 3.6.5 are functionally not equivalent to Excel 2002 let alone Excel 2010? Oh - that's bad :-) I was also thinking of developing these extensions in Java, are there any issues with doing so? Well - if you develop this in Java then it's unlikely to get into the code code. Also - you'll have a rather grim time trying to get everything you want, and (I suspect) you'll find embedding into arbitrary dialogs is not really easy at all. So - I -strongly- recommend just checking out the code, compiling it and poking the developers list for some code pointers to that dialog. Adding the features you need to the core, so everyone can enjoy them out of the box is almost certainly the best way to achieve your goals - and (after all) C++ is not so distantly related to Java :-) Hi Michael, I have already downloaded to source code and had considered modifying the code directly, but thought and extension might be easier and simpler, but if writing an extension means that it won't be guaranteed of making the product then modifying the code is the better way to go. I haven't looked at C++ in a long time but it shouldn't be that difficult to pick up again, and it should be easy to get the code suite into my Eclipse development environment once I update it for C++. I'm also running out of time for relating Calc's compatibility to Excel 2002 as in April/May the organisation I work for is upgrading to 2010, so I may just have to develop for compatibilty with that. I have 2010 installed on this machine at home, but it is running under Windows and I'll be doing my development work under Linux, and last time I looked Office 2010 doesn't run under Wine nor CrossOver Office. regards, Steve Does that make sense ? Thanks ! Michael. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On 02/04/2013 06:57 AM, Stephen Morris wrote: Hi, I have Eclipse with the OpenOffice plugin to enable development of extensions for Libreoffice. Can someone tell where I can get documentation on the Libreoffice Calc internals and how to interface specifically to things like the Pivot Table dialogue so that it can be extended. I want to work around the fact that Pivot Tables in Calc 3.6.5 are functionally not equivalent to Excel 2002 let alone Excel 2010? I was also thinking of developing these extensions in Java, are there any issues with doing so? regards, Steve Thankyou for the input guys. I'll search the wiki for information on the internals and hope that its not openoffice specific. I guess given the direction that Libreoffice is heading I'll have to search the internet for documentation and tutorials to learn python. regards, Steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Qt isn't a programming language Tom, it's a UI framework (written in C++). Mark Stanton One small step for mankind... -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
On 04/02/2013 at 10:44, Mark Stanton m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk wrote: Qt isn't a programming language Tom, it's a UI framework (written in C++). It has been some time since Qt grown to be much more than simple UI framework. Right now it's application framework providing abstraction layers for many parts of operating system, as well as modules that ease development of modern applications (using Unicode, SQL, XML, SVG etc.). -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi :) Thanks chaps :) I am a bit lost. Well, totally lost tbh. This Qt issue is a bit of a tangent really. I was just trying to say that there are a lot of better alternatives that are far less likely to get the users machines compromised. Writing stuff in Java forces people that want to use your programs to have java installed and active. So, you would basically be forcing your customers/clients/colleagues to run vulnerable systems in order to run your code, if you code in java. Hence lots of people are moving away from java. Not just the entire LibreOffice project but also others. Of course a lot of companies are going to take a long time to steer away from Java and there will be a lot of resistance from people that prefer to help pepople get infected rather than use their current skills set to enable them to learn alternatives faster. A lot of companies are going to have to start paying for Oracle's new professional or enterprise versions of Java if/when they create those. Oracle can't keep providing java for free and so far they are right on-track for monetising it. Regards from Tom :) From: Mirosław Zalewski mini...@poczta.onet.pl To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 4 February 2013, 9:32 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice On 04/02/2013 at 10:44, Mark Stanton m...@vowleyfarm.co.uk wrote: Qt isn't a programming language Tom, it's a UI framework (written in C++). It has been some time since Qt grown to be much more than simple UI framework. Right now it's application framework providing abstraction layers for many parts of operating system, as well as modules that ease development of modern applications (using Unicode, SQL, XML, SVG etc.). -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Hi :) Hopefully one of the links in this wiki-page might be useful https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources#Programmers Errr, i thought everyone was moving away from Java due to all the security issues it's been having in the last couple of years? I thought people were moving to C++, Python or even Qt? Regards from Tom :) From: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au To: LibreOffice Users users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2013, 19:57 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Hi, I have Eclipse with the OpenOffice plugin to enable development of extensions for Libreoffice. Can someone tell where I can get documentation on the Libreoffice Calc internals and how to interface specifically to things like the Pivot Table dialogue so that it can be extended. I want to work around the fact that Pivot Tables in Calc 3.6.5 are functionally not equivalent to Excel 2002 let alone Excel 2010? I was also thinking of developing these extensions in Java, are there any issues with doing so? regards, Steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
RE: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice
Via Simon Phipps on Twitter: We're rewriting the LibreOffice wizards in Python because we can no longer be sure Java will be there -- Michael Meeks, #FOSDEM -Original Message- From: Tom Davies [mailto:tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 13:05 To: Stephen Morris; LibreOffice Users Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Hi :) Hopefully one of the links in this wiki-page might be useful https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Re sources#Programmers Errr, i thought everyone was moving away from Java due to all the security issues it's been having in the last couple of years? I thought people were moving to C++, Python or even Qt? Regards from Tom :) From: Stephen Morris samor...@netspace.net.au To: LibreOffice Users users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 3 February 2013, 19:57 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Development of Extensions for LibreOffice Hi, I have Eclipse with the OpenOffice plugin to enable development of extensions for Libreoffice. Can someone tell where I can get documentation on the Libreoffice Calc internals and how to interface specifically to things like the Pivot Table dialogue so that it can be extended. I want to work around the fact that Pivot Tables in Calc 3.6.5 are functionally not equivalent to Excel 2002 let alone Excel 2010? I was also thinking of developing these extensions in Java, are there any issues with doing so? regards, Steve -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
