Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Jonathon, Thank you so much for all your information. It is obvious that I have a bundle to learn about all of this. Since asking your thoughts about markdown text files, I discovered a screen reader provided with my Linux Mint 18. I've been playing with it with various file formats. So far,

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 05/02/2018 01:08 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > Do you have any information/opinion about various forms of markdown files > (i.e. Markdown, RestructureText, AsciiDoc). What happens when a screen reader meets markup language depends upon: # The program used to open the document; ** Some

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Wed May 02 2018 08:07:54 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), toki wrote: > On 05/01/2018 07:19 PM, Dave Howorth wrote: >>> IOW, fill-able PDF is an extremely bad idea. > >> What's the 'approved' solution? > In order of accessibility: > > * Plain text; > * MS Doc; > *

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

> On 05/04/2018 01:16 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > > > I'm finding all of this fascinating. In the past couple days, I have > also discovered the screen reader that came with my Linux Mint 18. I've > been playing with it on various file formats. I created an HTML with >

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 05/03/2018 01:16 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On Thu May 03 2018 12:14:44 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Virgil > Arrington wrote: >> For anyone interested in this topic (accessibility of PDF documents for >> those relying on screen readers), > Ok, my last word on the

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Tanstaafl: The newer word for "Handicapped" is "*Differently Able*". I deal with, and a charter member, of the Kiwanis organization called Aktion Club of Elmira. http://aktionclub-elmira.org/ Every member is an Adult who has a physical or mental issue that some would use the older word

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) +1 I totally agree. Being able to access an alternative is almost always good imo/ime. Different use-cases often require slightly different tools or a jack-of-all-trades. MSO tries to be jack-of-all-trades but ends up being such a horribly bloated mess that it significantly slows things

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi tom, Please don't send direct to me, I'm on the list, and when you do I get two emails. Just send to the list. thanks... On Thu May 03 2018 14:30:24 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Tom Davies wrote: > The fact that Pdfs are somewhat editable by quite a few programs now

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) Google do seem to be a bit evil and unsupportive sometimes. Oddly they were on the Advisory Board for TDF when they removed ODF support for their products! - or sometime around then. Apple were based on BSD, a brother/sister to Gnu, but went off in a proprietary/secretive direction.

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

April 2018 at 18:05, Roy Reese <waterbeare...@gmx.com> wrote: > > Enviar: lunes 30 de abril de 2018 a las 17:11 > > De: "James Knott" <james.kn...@jknott.net> > > Para: users@global.libreoffice.org > > Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you dea

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) Easy tiger! I know it must be frustrating that so many of us are so slow and lacking in knowledge about these things but it seems like some of us are getting somewhere, or at least catching-up. Btw obviously PDF is editable to some degree or other by quite a few programs these days.

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Thu May 03 2018 12:14:44 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Virgil Arrington wrote: > For anyone interested in this topic (accessibility of PDF documents for > those relying on screen readers), Ok, my last word on the subject... Regardless, providing an INACCESSIBLE PDF

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

For anyone interested in this topic (accessibility of PDF documents for those relying on screen readers), below is a link to a document prepared by Adobe addressing the many issues document designers need to consider when creating a PDF file.

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Wed May 02 2018 16:31:08 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Tanstaafl wrote: > On Wed May 02 2018 16:04:41 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Virgil > Arrington wrote: >> I will have to weigh the effort it takes to create accessible documents >>

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Wed May 02 2018 16:04:41 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Virgil Arrington wrote: > I will have to weigh the effort it takes to create accessible documents > in whatever file format I use. For PF forms, it is one (or two?) checkboxes when exporting the document. > I

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 05/02/2018 10:58 AM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On Tue May 01 2018 14:06:17 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), toki > wrote: >> On 04/30/2018 09:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: >>> That was my thinking as well, which is why I'm intrigued by the >>> possibility of doing it

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 05:22 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 04/30/2018 11:11 AM, James Knott wrote: Recent versions of MS Office are supposed to be able to work with Open Document files. Have you tried to see what happens when you use it with ODF files? Thank you for the suggestion. My personal

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

HTML should good for screen readers. See: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/ARIA for how to use it. Although Writer have abilities... Support assistive technology tools (program restart required) Allows you to use assistive tools, such as external screen

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 02.05.2018 16:58, Tanstaafl wrote: On Mon Apr 30 2018 16:21:51 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Pdf is not meant to be editable.  It's purpose was to look the same everywhere on any machine and be easy to open on anything with a free, small,

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Mon Apr 30 2018 16:21:51 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :)  > Pdf is not meant to be editable.  It's purpose was to look the same > everywhere on any machine and be easy to open on anything with a free, > small, easily installed program. 

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Mon Apr 30 2018 17:49:32 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Ben Oliver wrote: > On 18-04-30 21:43:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> This is intriguing. I just looked over my options with LO 6.0.3 in >> saving as a PDF and I don't easily see any method of saving as a >> "fillable

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Tue May 01 2018 14:06:17 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), toki wrote: > On 04/30/2018 09:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> That was my thinking as well, which is why I'm intrigued by the >> possibility of doing it directly within LO. > Is it worth US$5,000 plus court

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Mon Apr 30 2018 17:43:00 GMT-0400 (Eastern Standard Time), Virgil Arrington wrote: > This is intriguing. I just looked over my options with LO 6.0.3 in > saving as a PDF and I don't easily see any method of saving as a > "fillable PDF form." Can you give a quick

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 05/02/2018 08:07 AM, toki wrote: > In order of accessibility: > * Plain text; > * MS Doc; > * MS Docx; > * RTF; > * ODT; > > > jonathon > Interesting list. I've always liked working with plain text files. Do you have any information/opinion about various forms of markdown files (i.e.

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 05/01/2018 08:31 PM, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > Sounds like using .doc is the best answer after all. The Pdf route is > intriguing. I think Virgil probably knows whether any of his students have > relevant accessibility issues. > Yes, none of my students are visually impaired and none need

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 05/01/2018 07:19 PM, Dave Howorth wrote: >> IOW, fill-able PDF is an extremely bad idea. > What's the 'approved' solution? In order of accessibility: * Plain text; * MS Doc; * MS Docx; * RTF; * ODT; The issue with RTF is that screen readers trip up on some of the markup syntax. The issue

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Virgil > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > Original message > From: toki <toki.kant...@gmail.com> > Date: 5/1/18 2:52 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: users@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many o

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) Thanks :) The link answered most of my questions about fillable fields. It's good to see there are options such as text-fields and radio-buttons. I still think the old MS format is the way to go for sharing documents in the here but that ODF is the way to go for long-term storage. Thanks

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) Sounds like using .doc is the best answer after all. The Pdf route is intriguing. I think Virgil probably knows whether any of his students have relevant accessibility issues. Part of the reason for ODF is to have a format that can avoid all these pitfalls. When ODF is more commonly used

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Tue, 1 May 2018 18:03:42 + toki wrote: > On 04/30/2018 07:39 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > > > The easiest - and safst - approach would be to use Libreoffice to > > create the form, save it as a fillable PDF form, then send that to > > your students.\ > > Government

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

w many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]? On 05/01/2018 06:37 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > Can you explain why PDF is not accessible for ADA purposes? A PDF can consist of either text, or images, or a combination of the two. Screen readers can't read images. Provided your PD

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

<toki.kant...@gmail.com> Date: 5/1/18 2:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]? On 04/30/2018 09:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > That was my thinking as well, which is why I'm

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 05/01/2018 06:37 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > Can you explain why PDF is not accessible for ADA purposes? A PDF can consist of either text, or images, or a combination of the two. Screen readers can't read images. Provided your PDF is text only, it is accessible. If it has any images, or

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

<toki.kant...@gmail.com> Date: 5/1/18 2:07 PM (GMT-05:00) To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]? On 04/30/2018 09:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > That was my thinking as well, which is why I'm

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 09:53 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > That was my thinking as well, which is why I'm intrigued by the possibility > of doing it directly within LO. Is it worth US$5,000 plus court costs plus attorney fees, to do something that is a known Section 508/ADA violation? I am not a

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 07:39 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > The easiest - and safst - approach would be to use Libreoffice to create > the form, save it as a fillable PDF form, then send that to your students.\ Government agencies make great targets for ADA 508 lawsuits, because they have deep pockets. Since

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 03:39 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 4/30/2018, 8:32:31 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use LO >> Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will >> type their answers right

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) Thanks :)) Regards from a Tom :) On 30 April 2018 at 23:52, gordon cooper wrote: > To make a PDF from LO. > > File>Export>Export as PDF. > > And in the bad/good old days when I used an MS operating system and was > proof reading scripts that came as PDF's, I

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

-- > From: Tom Davies <tomc...@gmail.com> > Date: 4/30/18 7:37 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> > Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users > Group [Facebook]? >

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

-05:00) To: Virgil Arrington <cuyfa...@hotmail.com> Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]? Hi :) Switching is painful. It's the MS way. It's difficult to have 2 versions of MSO running on one system - but it's easy

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

To make a PDF from LO. File>Export>Export as PDF. And in the bad/good old days when I used an MS operating system and was proof reading scripts that came as PDF's, I used one of Nuance's programs to edit and annotate the proofs Incidentally, I have been using LInux and LO for years and

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) That sounds interesting! How do you create a "fillable field"? I know about hybrid Pdfs but fillable fields sounds like something that could be used outside of LO. Regards from a Tom :) On 30 April 2018 at 22:57, Remy Gauthier wrote: > Le lundi 30 avril 2018 à

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) Switching is painful. It's the MS way. It's difficult to have 2 versions of MSO running on one system - but it's easy to install LibreOffice alongside MS Office. So it's easier to migrate gradually, at your own pace, from MS Office to LibreOffice. You are not forced to lose access to the

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Le lundi 30 avril 2018 à 21:53 +, Virgil Arrington a écrit : > On 04/30/2018 05:49 PM, Ben Oliver wrote: > > On 18-04-30 21:43:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: > > > This is intriguing. I just looked over my options with LO 6.0.3 > > > in > > > saving as a PDF and I don't easily see any method of

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 03:02 PM, Tim-L wrote: > I started this thread with the notice of someone on a Facebook post > wondering how to default to saving to MS Word format. > > Yes, a "crusade" to get schools to make the switch to Open Document > Formats should be looked into.  But that is not what was

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 05:49 PM, Ben Oliver wrote: > On 18-04-30 21:43:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> This is intriguing. I just looked over my options with LO 6.0.3 in >> saving as a PDF and I don't easily see any method of saving as a >> "fillable PDF form." Can you give a quick explanation of how to do

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 18-04-30 21:43:00, Virgil Arrington wrote: This is intriguing. I just looked over my options with LO 6.0.3 in saving as a PDF and I don't easily see any method of saving as a "fillable PDF form." Can you give a quick explanation of how to do that? Like Tom, I've always thought of PDF as a

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 03:39 PM, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 4/30/2018, 8:32:31 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use LO >> Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will >> type their answers right onto

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On Mon, 30 Apr 2018, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 04/30/2018 11:11 AM, James Knott wrote: Recent versions of MS Office are supposed to be able to work with Open Document files. Have you tried to see what happens when you use it with ODF files? Thank you for the suggestion. My personal

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 11:11 AM, James Knott wrote: > > Recent versions of MS Office are supposed to be able to work with Open > Document files. Have you tried to see what happens when you use it with > ODF files? > Thank you for the suggestion. My personal computer is Linux only, but I'll check it out

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) Pdf is not meant to be editable. It's purpose was to look the same everywhere on any machine and be easy to open on anything with a free, small, easily installed program. For editable documents the best format is still .Doc and the other older MS formats. Now that MS have stopped

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

Hi :) Microsoft have problems following any standard or any format, even their own. Usually it looks like their ineptitude looks a lot like a deliberate attempt to ensure that people have to keep buying newer and newer versions of MS Office to keep up with everyone else. MS Office 2007 and 2010

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 4/30/2018, 8:32:31 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use LO > Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will > type their answers right onto the computer file and email it back to me.

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 08:32 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: You are trying to find a solution to a problem. The problem is the wrong choice of the school ('only DOC or DOCX documents') Try to solve the problem, and try not to find a work-around as solution. I teach at a college. I use LO, LyX and LaTeX

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

> Enviar: lunes 30 de abril de 2018 a las 17:11 > De: "James Knott" <james.kn...@jknott.net> > Para: users@global.libreoffice.org > Asunto: Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users > Group [Facebook]? > > On 04/30/2018 08:32 AM,

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 30-4-2018 17:11, James Knott wrote: > On 04/30/2018 08:32 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: >> Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use LO >> Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will >> type their answers right onto the computer file and

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 08:32 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: > Today, I will be drafting the final exam for my students. I will use LO > Writer for the task. I will then email it to my students and they will > type their answers right onto the computer file and email it back to me. > I need to get the file

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

If they have a recent version of ms-word they should be able to read odt files into word without problem.. So, using odt, doc or docx should be transparent (I hope) On 30 apr. 2018, at 14:32, Virgil Arrington wrote: > >> You are trying to find a solution to a problem. >> The problem is the

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

> You are trying to find a solution to a problem. > The problem is the wrong choice of the school ('only DOC or DOCX documents') > Try to solve the problem, and try not to find a work-around as solution. > > I teach at a college. I use LO, LyX and LaTeX for my work. All of my students use MSO.

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/30/2018 07:20 AM, Luuk wrote: > The problem is the wrong choice of the school ('only DOC or DOCX documents') The real issue is why do LMS admins appear to routinely disable ODF file format compatibility? Is that something they do, or is it that they aren't aware of ODF file formats, or is

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 30-4-2018 05:15, Tim-L wrote: > On 04/29/2018 01:17 PM, Luuk wrote: >> >> On 29-4-2018 17:23, James Knott wrote: >>> On 04/29/2018 10:23 AM, Tim-L wrote: There was a question in it about wondering how to get the users of Linux to save LibreOffice files to Microsoft Word formats. >>>

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/29/2018 01:17 PM, Luuk wrote: On 29-4-2018 17:23, James Knott wrote: On 04/29/2018 10:23 AM, Tim-L wrote: There was a question in it about wondering how to get the users of Linux to save LibreOffice files to Microsoft Word formats. Why would we want to, unless we had to? The whole

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/29/2018 01:17 PM, Luuk wrote: > You did forget to ask Tim-L what Facebook has to do with this problem ... I suspect anyone using Facebook already has enough problems. ;-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems?

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

At 10:20 29/04/2018 -0700, Tom Williams wrote: I don't help many LibreOffice on Linux users but I do help a number of LibreOffice on Windows users and I usually configure LibreOffice to save in Microsoft formats, by default. Please don't. Most of these people don't understand different file

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

At 10:23 29/04/2018 -0400, Tim Lungstrom wrote: Last night, I was in the middle of a thread on the Linux Users Group on Facebook. There was a question in it about wondering how to get the users of Linux to save LibreOffice files to Microsoft Word formats. ... I double checked and gave him the

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/29/2018 08:23 AM, James Knott wrote: > On 04/29/2018 10:23 AM, Tim-L wrote: >> There was a question in it about wondering how to get the users of >> Linux to save LibreOffice files to Microsoft Word formats. > Why would we want to, unless we had to? > To make it easier to more readily

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 29-4-2018 17:23, James Knott wrote: > On 04/29/2018 10:23 AM, Tim-L wrote: >> There was a question in it about wondering how to get the users of >> Linux to save LibreOffice files to Microsoft Word formats. > Why would we want to, unless we had to? The whole point of the Open > Document

Re: [libreoffice-users] How many of you deal with the Linux Users Group [Facebook]?

On 04/29/2018 10:23 AM, Tim-L wrote: > There was a question in it about wondering how to get the users of > Linux to save LibreOffice files to Microsoft Word formats. Why would we want to, unless we had to? The whole point of the Open Document formats was to be a non proprietary method that