systems, even when using NTP?
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Settings, then System Info, and last
Graphics, turn Forced Fallback Mode to on, log out and log in again.
This will give you Gnome 3 fall-back mode with metacity, and a Gnome 2
feel (just remember to press alt when trying to add things to the panels
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with metacity). So the
Gnome2-like GUI is there, but very well hidden.
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Gnome2-like GUI is there, but very well hidden.
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there that can give me a
pointer on how to get Firefox and Thunderbird started in on-line mode,
just as it was in Fedora-14?
I am using Gnome3 in forced fall-back mode.
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It seem to be quite close to what you get in Gnome2.
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In Firefox go to about:config and set network.manage-offline-status to
false
In Thunderbird set toolkit.networkmanger.disable to true
Nice! That sounds like the correct things to toggle, I'll test it at
work tomorrow.
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addresses that
has been set up with system-config-network, one needs to tick
'Controlled by NetworkManager'.
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, Gnome3 with compiz I
did not get to work though, could not add things to the panels).
The sad thing is that they have hidden this fall-back mode quite thoroughly.
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Gnome3 with compiz, but could not add things to the panel there
(I did not try that hard though).
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* rpmfusion-nonfree: ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de
* rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de
* updates: ftp.lysator.liu.se
No packages marked for update
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On 12/26/2013 06:46 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On my desktop it took 6 seconds, starting July 6, but it had only a few
lines about the yum-cron problems the last two weeks. So on that
computer I seem to miss a lot of lines in the systemd-log, that is
present in the /var/log/cron file.
Ah
. Will make life a tad easier for the ordinary user.
I should perhaps write a RFE on that...
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not produce the same output as
'journalctl --since today | grep cron' (which more or less resembles
what I have in /var/log/cron). Shouldn't -u crond produce the same
output (more or less) as /var/log/cron?
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Rebooted. No FC19. Booted into FC18.
What does 'cat /etc/issue' say?
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updates (check with diff what the differences are, if something
significant, update the configuration file)
find / -xdev -name '*.rpmnew' -o -name '*.rpmsave'
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it currently reports on.
Logwatch watches the logs and report strange things. I find it useful.
What would you like removed from it?
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sendmail and syslog makes it easier for the ordinary user. And
that is a good thing. At least in my book.
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the system
easy to use, and to get information from, even for an ordinary user
not as savvy as we?
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. At the moment the user is left in some sort
of limbo loosing mails sent to root, and having problems reading log files.
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these differences.
I can not see any reason why the output of journalctl can not to be a
pixel perfect match, so why is it not?
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misunderstood you.
Bugzilla 1047700
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[root@gw ~]# du -sh /var/log/journal
3.7G/var/log/journal
[root@gw ~]#
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So if I issue 'dnf erase kernel' all kernels will be removed, and I have
no kernel anymore? Is that really a good thing? Should we not spare the
running kernel? Or is there some rationale behind this that I am missing?
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will in that case be intact and mail
will be sent to root, just as it has been done for years.
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On 01/02/2014 12:28 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On 01/01/2014 11:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
...
Unfiled bugs
doesn't fundamentally change that although if you find any, you can file
them and get the transition to be smoother.
Do you regard the sluggish journal I have as a bug? I
On 01/02/2014 01:12 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
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...
When no users are created by the installer, there is nothing to add to
/etc/aliases and as I noted before, user creation is an optional step
within the installer. I don't see anything in your
of Fedora, and
I do not see them using kickstart, so that is not a solution.
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course a RFE.
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of this will become part of the default workflow.
Sorry. I do not follow you here. I am not sure what you mean.
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Why would they not care? The UI will make them aware of something they
probably is not aware of. I can not see that lost emails is a good
thing. Better to make the user aware of that that mail exist, and make
it easy for them to receive it.
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is taken care
of (either everything will be as it has been for years, i.e.
/etc/aliases is intact and the mail end up in mail to root, or you can
chose to send it to a remote user)
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, for more or less the same thing, notifying the user.
OK, one example:
A user might install yum-cron to update the system
Bad example. Non technical users don't install yum-cron.
Why not? The might...
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notifications? They serve, in this context, the same purpose, informing
the user about problems with the system.
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to a suitable
user. That is where my proposal comes in.
So, in my opinion, removing a local delivery MTA was wrong. It should be
added again, and something in the line of my proposal should be added so
that root mail is sent to a suitable user.
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of the kernel.
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filed bug 1047719 on this).
Anyhow, thanks for the information about options etc. Sadly the man page
is somewhat sparse on examples which makes the transition to journalctl
a bit hard.
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' to it, run newaliases (or something in the line of my
proposal earlier), and to setup the mail client to read that mail. Not
more esoteric than to setup ordinary mail.
Not having a MTA leads to lost mail, this has to be addressed and solved
before the MTA is removed.
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Important mail to/from root is not an edge case.
So important that by default root isn't informed of these messages?
Huh?
With sendmail I was not informed of any
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It delivers mail, so it certainly does something. It is not an idle process
doing nothing.
I've never seen it do anything since I started using Fedora, except cause
longer boot
, that is not a part of the journal output.
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useless crap being
generated; and without notification, or a good reason for them to be generated
in the first place. I'm glad it's gone by default.
Please read my proposal again, it addresses the issues you are mentioning.
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by using the -s option.
The problem with that option is that the output from cron can
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installed and running?
I don't use cron. Probably in five years or so we can have a conversation on it
not being installed by default.
Don't think so.
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by default.
This has nothing to do with modernity at all.
And guess what! You can still install it and get the behavior you want.
That's not the point. It's about sane defaults so that potential
important message are not lost.
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be informed that the
content is in the journal and should (perhaps) be acted upon?
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how do we inform the user then?
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is removed. That would involve both adding to the
journal, and notify the user, and/or other actions. Shouldn't that have
been addressed *before* removing the MTA?
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On 01/03/2014 06:17 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
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As the App Menu works bad when using multiple windows and focus follow
mouse, this should perhaps be a part of gnome-tweak-tool (a tick box there
to chose App Menu or not), so one
, if you like the old way, you can just install and configure
an MTA.
I have to as long as some applications use that path to send messages to
me. The same thing goes for all others installing these applications.
Without a MTA these messages are lost in bit space.
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applications have a requirement of a MTA so that the MTA is
installed when those applications are installed on the system.
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you now how to set up
/etc/aliases, *and* also inform you to set up the mail client of your
choice to receive that mail.
The following solves the gmail problem (/etc/aliases):
root: u...@gmal.com
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I will make a fresh install in VirtualBox and take a closer look.
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On 01/03/2014 04:13 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored?
Is it an upgraded system or a new install? If it is a new install
sendmail is no longer installed, so you have to install it yourself.
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, be that your script did not output any
data this time?
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On 01/03/2014 06:31 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
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mailto:l...@homer.se wrote:
On 01/03/2014 05:07 AM, Pete Travis wrote:
I think there was some misunderstanding here. If you can't find your
cronjob output in the journal, *your* cron
that system a bit
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On 01/03/2014 08:32 PM, Tom H wrote:
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Rahul, as long as we have applications that do send mail, we need an MTA to
take care of these mails, or else they are totally lost. Or at least let
those applications have
at explaining what the problem is?
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On 01/04/2014 02:40 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
What I fail to follow is, why break the existing mechanism *before* we
have these other future notification mechanisms ready?
*Exactly*
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that reads the file
/etc/sysconfig/iptables to setup the firewall. The command iptables-save
would give you a starting point for that file.
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On 01/04/2014 02:40 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
What I fail to follow is, why break the existing mechanism *before* we
have these other future notification mechanisms ready?
*Exactly
in on the subject, and you will see.
Please read the question you quoted, the first one in this mail. Try to
understand what it says.
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not interfere with other applications
notification systems.
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On 01/05/2014 09:25 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
I use nfs from Windows 8.1 to Fedora (filestore\backup etc..)
As well as between Fedora Boxes
Have you tried sshfs? We moved to that at work years ago (to share
between Linux boxes, but windows applications for sshfs also exist).
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is no reason to remove the MTA when applications
actually rely on an existing MTA. You can not generalize your way of
doing things to the entire community. The mail mechanics is there for a
reason, and has proven its validity for decades.
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, and that no packages are
out of sync?
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?id=1047719 bug about the
journal being extremely slow.
What numbers do you get for:
time journalctl | grep xyz
journalctl --disk-usage
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not name your interfaces eth0, eth1, etc if you have several
interfaces, that will create problems depending on when the different
network interfaces are started, use names as wan, lan, etc. instead.
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in the upper right corner, and
then click on the icon with a wrench and a screw driver), chose
'Details', there you will find 'Default Applications'
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(as long as you have syslogd
installed).
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. To read the
journal you need journalctl, or similar program, as the journal is
binary and not readily readable.
Another reason is that there still exist programs/daemons/etc. that rely
on the logs in /var/log.
If you do not like syslogd, well F20 does not ship it anymore...
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On 02/28/2014 12:54 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Lars E. Pettersson l...@homer.se wrote:
On 02/26/14 19:23, lee wrote:
What is the purpose of this log duplication? When systemd has its own
logs, it doesn´t seem necessary to duplicate them by sending their
contents
extensions
etc. turns up that make Gnome 3 usable (for me).
Sadly the things mentioned in the links earlier in the thread does not
solve my issues fully.
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On 06/02/2011 10:52 PM, Ron Yorston wrote:
If you're quick you can be the first to download it!
Downloaded :-) Will go to bed now though, but will take a look
tomorrow. Seem to solve some issues I have been having though.
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On 07/02/2013 08:42 PM, Luan Minh Pham wrote:
Now how do I check if I run 18 or 19?
One way:
cat /etc/issue
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), and chose Details. On my computer it
says Fedora 19.
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On 07/05/2013 06:34 PM, Amadeus W.M. wrote:
rpm -qa | grep -i java
java-1.7.0-openjdk-1.7.0.25-2.3.10.3.fc19.x86_64
javapackages-tools-0.14.1-2.fc19.noarch
tzdata-java-2013c-1.fc19.noarch
Install
java-1.7.0-openjdk-devel-1.7.0.25-2.3.10.4.fc18.x86_64
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package named avahi) with
yum due to dependencies.
Perhaps /usr/sbin/avahi-daemon and associated files should be moved to
an avahi-daemon package?
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On 08/04/2013 10:16 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On 07/31/2013 05:15 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
You are confusing the avahi library with the avahi daemon. The daemon
...
I see no further point in discussing this thread. The avahi service is
not a dependency on anything serious and you can
report on this exist
since February 20th.
I updated the bug, to hopefully get some action.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=913168
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point? :)
feel free to reopen the bug too, otherwise it might get off the radar.
How do I, as a normal user, re-open a bug? Can not see any way more than
cloning it. Is that how it's supposed to be done? (Google gave no
conclusive answer)
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(440, 445M, 545, 555M, 630M, 635M), GTS
450, GTX 460M, Quadro 2000 (D), 2000M
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report/RFE on this. Is there anyone out there
that have done this, from anaconda? I.e. creating raid partitions and
BIOS boot partitions on ALL disks? If so, how did you do it?
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of the disks, I need a BIOS boot
partition on all disks, but anaconda seem to only install it on one of
the disks (i.e. I want the exactly identical partition tables on all disks).
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when its parent does.
That is at least the major difference I see comparing to my setup.
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29 aug 2014 kl. 00:12 skrev Robert Moskowitz r...@htt-consult.com
Add this to ifcfg-eth0:0 and no change.
:(
Ok. Another difference I see is that my interface is named :1, i.e. in my case
wan:1 Not sure if that makes any difference though, was years since I set this
up :)
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