[USMA:18816] Re: News from NIST

2002-03-17 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 18:24 -0500 02/03/14, kilopascal wrote: 2002-03-14 Interesting article. I have a question I hope someone can answer. Does OIML (The International Organisation of Legal Metrology) recognise FFU as a legal system? John Why don't you put the question directly to the OIML ?

[USMA:18815] Re: Euro Driving License

2002-03-17 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 4:30 -0800 02/03/13, cellular qwerty wrote: As far as the driving licence is concerned: 1. Yes. there is a single licence for the European Union. It is valid in all EU countries. See: http://www.dvla.gov.uk/drivers/yrfulldl.htm Let me disagree. There is no - for the moment - any european

[USMA:18814] Re: Euro Driving License

2002-03-17 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 6:18 -0800 02/03/13, M R wrote: Then what about the directions (North, south, etc) in roads, do they use any icons for this. No, and even if the use of cardinal points is much less important on European roads than in the USA, it may create confusions : I was last week in Begium with a

[USMA:18818] Re: Reply in Times

2002-03-17 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 10:19 -0500 02/03/16, kilopascal wrote: Also, is there any movement to allow 500 g to be used as a pound for those who still want to use pounds? Or to encourage vendors to vend out 500 g each time a pound is asked for? No. But in the common language, une livre is still used with the meaning

[USMA:18817] Re: Fwd: Short unit names

2002-03-17 Thread Louis JOURDAN
At 15:41 -0700 02/03/15, Jim Elwell wrote: Those who live in all-metric countries: have people come up with a verbal shorthand for saying centimeter or for saying milliliter? (Similar to kilo for kilogram.) Definitely no. At least in French. Louis

[USMA:18819] RE: Terry's Most Excellent Point!! (was: Metric RFP)

2002-03-17 Thread metric
This last sentence is most excellent!! Next time any of us encounters some red-neck saying it is un-American to use metric, the obvious reply is Well, all of our Armed Forces use it! Since most of these red-neck types tend to be gun-ho, patriotic supporters of the military, it will put

[USMA:18820] Re: Short unit names -- Humorous Aside

2002-03-17 Thread Duncan Bath
I thought cooties (also known as seam-squirrels) were living critters. All this is grist for the standardization mill. D. -Original Message- From: Bill Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: March 16, 2002 18:05 Subject: [USMA:18802] Re: Short unit

[USMA:18821] Re: Short unit names -- Humorous Aside

2002-03-17 Thread Duncan Bath
I thiought nits were something fussy people picked. D. -Original Message- From: kilopascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: March 16, 2002 20:35 Subject: [USMA:18807] Re: Short unit names -- Humorous Aside 2002-03-16 Aren't nits passed from person

[USMA:18822] Re: Short unit names

2002-03-17 Thread Duncan Bath
-Original Message- From: kilopascal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: March 16, 2002 20:42 Subject: [USMA:18808] Re: Short unit names 2002-03-16 If you are going to use a unit called Q, why not make it equal to 0.1 mm (100 µm)? This breaks away

[USMA:18823] Re: Reply in Times

2002-03-17 Thread kilopascal
2002-03-17 That is what I meant, in the common language, the slang, not as an official unit. Thus when a patron asks for a pound, the vendor doesn't worry about weird numbers like 454, but just uses 500 g for a pound. And thus 250 g for a half-pound and either 100 g or 125 g for a

[USMA:18824] Re: Euro Driving License

2002-03-17 Thread metric
Let me disagree. There is no - for the moment - any european driving license. Each member state issues its own driving license documents. But they are all designed on the same model, using pictograms for the various categories, etc. And they are all valid in all EU member countries Good

[USMA:18825] Re: Reply in Times

2002-03-17 Thread Joseph B. Reid
John Kilopascal wrote in USMA 18810: Personally, I think the UK should de-legalise imperial. That is no longer support it. Anyone who prefers to use it are on their own. It would mean every vendor would have the right to chose how he/she wants to interpret a customers request when a pound is

[USMA:18826] Re: Reply in Times

2002-03-17 Thread Wizard of OS
the word pound should fade out! even in all metric countries pound is still present except russia, I have never heard people using such a word! - Original Message - From: Joseph B. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 3:52 PM

[USMA:18827] Re: Reply in Times

2002-03-17 Thread kilopascal
2002-03-17 But, I think the legal value of a pound in Britain is still 454 g. If the pound was truly delegalised, then as far as the government would be concerned, there is no fraud committed if a shop choose to misprice a pound, if the pound is used as a secondary unit. For example, quote

[USMA:18828] Re: Reply in Times

2002-03-17 Thread kilopascal
2002-03-17 Natürlich! But, you still have people using it. Just like in Germany, I'm sure you still here people asking for things in pfund. Don't you? But, to them it means 500 g. The same should be true for Britain. John - Original Message - From: Wizard of OS [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[USMA:18829] Re: Short unit names

2002-03-17 Thread Han Maenen
Its use should absolutely be restricted to the printing industry. It should never spread beyond it, Han - Original Message - From: Joseph B. Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, 2002-03-17 01:27 Subject: [USMA:18804] Re: Short unit names

[USMA:18830] Re: Reply in Times

2002-03-17 Thread Stephen C. Gallagher
the word pound should fade out! Since that's also what they call their currency, at least for now, I doubt it would be going anywhere in the near future. Stephen

[USMA:18831] Re: Short unit names

2002-03-17 Thread Wizard of OS
I opponent that! those pseudo units shown be abolished, I propose the mmHg should be stopped! I dont see a reason to use them! - Original Message - From: Han Maenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 10:54 AM Subject:

[USMA:18832] Re: Yardstick March 2002

2002-03-17 Thread Ma Be
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:42:25 Jim Elwell wrote: ... I think that what John meant was that if you do not take a stand in favor of metrication you're actually being against it because the status quo continues!!! Who or how can anyone argue otherwise? This is exactly the point I think is so

[USMA:18834] Re: Short unit names -- Humorous Aside

2002-03-17 Thread Bill Potts
And they are, as are nits. And they are the same thing. Bill Potts, CMS Roseville, CA http://metric1.org [SI Navigator] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Duncan Bath Sent: Sunday, March 17, 2002 05:24 To: U.S. Metric Association Subject:

[USMA:18833] Re: Short unit names -- Humorous Aside

2002-03-17 Thread Bill Potts
Duncan Bath wrote: I thiought nits were something fussy people picked. Yes, but that's a metaphor based on the act of picking nits out of someone's hair. Bill Potts, CMS Roseville, CA http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]

[USMA:18836] Re: Short unit names

2002-03-17 Thread kilopascal
2002-03-17 I agree with you. To do so, you would have to get rid of all devices that are calibrated in these units and replace them with ones calibrated strictly in SI units. Don't confuse my agreement with a suggestion to make a pound equal to 500 g meaning I want to retain such a unit. I

[USMA:18837] Re: Short unit names

2002-03-17 Thread Barbara and/or Bill Hooper
on 3/16/2002 7:27 PM, Joseph B. Reid at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had not noticed that 555 nm and 540 x 10^12 hertz are equivalent statements. That's true only for for electromagnetic waves, such as light, in vacuum. The relationship depends on the speed of the waves. Since the speed of

[USMA:18838] Re: Terry's Most Excellent Point!! (was: Metric RFP)

2002-03-17 Thread kilopascal
2002-03-17 You are assuming that red-necks are a rational crowd. If you told them our military uses metric I doubt they will believe you and will insist you are a member of some anti-American organisation trying to deceive god-fearing, wholesome, patriotic, and whatever else Americans into

[USMA:18839] Re: Short unit names

2002-03-17 Thread Duncan Bath
It becomes a parochial patois. IF it had a rational SI base [such as 'micron' has] it could be a useful 'tag' [eg. like 'litre']. D. -Original Message- From: Han Maenen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: March 17, 2002 11:38 Subject: [USMA:18829] Re:

[USMA:18840] Re: Short unit names

2002-03-17 Thread Stephen C. Gallagher
- Original Message - From: Ma Be [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: March 17, 2002 13:03 Subject: [USMA:18835] Re: Short unit names On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:41:57 Jim Elwell wrote: At 02:38 PM 3 March 2002 -0800, Madan wrote: As for 'inch' vs

[USMA:18841] our metrication discussion

2002-03-17 Thread Wizard of OS
Where is the sense we're talking about? I see no progress or effort taken by Georgie to metricate his beloved country! It seems he really wants to face 2010? It will have a severe impact on american economy, the EU is the US' most important trade partner! Americans have to get rid off the

[USMA:18842] Re: Short unit names -- Humorous Aside

2002-03-17 Thread Stephen Davis
Here in Sunderland and other North East regions, we used to call them dickies!! Sorry, Bill, couldn't resist!! Regards, Steve. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Bill Potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March

[USMA:18843] Re: Short unit names

2002-03-17 Thread Ma Be
On Sun, 17 Mar 2002 14:52:02 Stephen C. Gallagher wrote: ... Metric users do not have the habit of creating shortcuts for measurement values. We simply use it as is, i.e. cm is centimeter, mm is millimeter, etc. It seems to me that this is more of a cultural phenomenon in the US that sees

[USMA:18844] RE: our metrication discussion

2002-03-17 Thread Bill Potts
Wizard wrote: I see no progress or effort taken by Georgie to metricate his beloved country! That's because he's too busy further enriching the Bush Dynasty's already obscenely rich friends (and governing in secret). It seems he really wants to face 2010? Right now, he's actively facing 2002

[USMA:18845] Re: our metrication discussion

2002-03-17 Thread Stephen Davis
Wizard of OS wrote: Americans have to get rid off the idea it is our heritage, it is Gay Britain's heritage! Are you calling us British gay, Wizard of OS?? You bitch!! I'll scratch your eyes out!! ;-) Regards, Steve. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Wizard

[USMA:18846] RE: our metrication discussion

2002-03-17 Thread Duncan Bath
The Omnibus Trade Bill of 1988 applies to the current government. If they do not live up to its provisions, it is up to us to prod them into compliance. Such compliance will lead a goodly number of suppliers to get on with SI or lose out on business opportunities. Duncan -Original