Me too Cindy,
I thought I asked you if the striker rod was removable? If it is, I used a
wire brush, etc. to clean the rust out of the striker wheel in addition to
making sure that the flint was loose in the tube and that the spring was
sound.
Hi Dan Weeks,
It may be heresy or something, but I doubt that the factory forgot to
install rivets! What I've found on the inner skin of my Safari so far is
that water intrusion corroded the rivets to the point where they separated.
As I went along an entire wall, as the bit touched the rivet
Hi Dan,
At the rear of my '69 Safari, I found a seam where the rivets through the
outside just sucked air on the inside. I had to put several rivets close to
the edge to catch the edge of the inner lap. Hope yours isn't a case like
mine where they missed. Then what could you expect from
Hi Cindy,
I too was puzzled by the mechanism to strike the fridge pilot. Eventually I
figured that the rod that I was twisting to make the spark is removable.
You mentioned pushing the rod to make it spark, so you might have a
different mechanism. However, if the metal plate that holds the rod
Hi Dr. G,
Thanks for the feedback. The owner's manual indicates that the battery
condition meter and the amp meter would be used to determine power usage.
The control panel amp meter only seems to show a limited discharge regarless
of how much load I pull. Seems like it was a good idea that
Dr. G,
Great picture of the bargman connector. Something I can really understand.
Too bad that A/S and Livingston didn't do it likewise.
Only thing I found that's different is that the '91 Chevy van has a
different
color code. Couldn't find a suitable plug kit and replaced a previous
owner's
Nope. At least I think they were operative. I hooked up the breakaway, and
had power to the pin. I just didn't have a controller in my tow car.
Meaning that you pulled the break away pin and the brakes locked?
'69 Safari, Joy
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Some where in this thread, someone asked about a clip on ammeter for DC.
They do exist. If you have to ask the price, you can't afford one. The
standard variety are for AC only.
Gerald J.
Thanks Dr. G.,
I wondered why I always had to install that metal strip in the alternator
line to
... this was apparently the intention of a previous owner of
my Trailwind - they'd installed the tank above the floor, and built a box
around it... the toilet then sits on top of it.
Seems that the above the floor holding tank vs. the below
Hi Tom,
The MIME format is caused by the VACList not accepting HTML format, I think.
When I post an image, I use the text format and attach the image as an
attachment. When the e-mail is opened, the image follows the text of the
e-mail.
Don't know, but I thought you might be looking for a bit
OK Jim,
I really don't understand all this, but it sort of makes sense. As far as
the Inteli-Power is concerned, the charge wizard is a remote meter that
reads the status of the Inteli-Power as it relates to the battery.
However, the Truecharge 40+ charger/converter has about the same
John Jodi,
You can find out much of the wiring for A/S vintage by ordering the service
manual from Secretarial Services. My manual describes all lengths and both
Canadian and U.S. schematics. As you'd expect, it's critical that you
don't mix AC and DC. My '69 Safari wiring is well
Today I sent $36 to the VAC Secretarial Service in Ohio. I don't have
the
address with me, but I spoke to a gal (Helen?) 937-492-8885 she said
send
There's a slight difference between the Owner's and Service Manual like
$36 vs. $70. I prefer the Service Manual as it has maintenance, tear
Hi David,
This is my evening to muddy waters! :)
My connection to the battery consists of white (bunched wires) and red
bunched wires). Is it possible that your orange is a faded red wire? The
#6 blue wire in my Safari is the charge line from the tow vehicle. It
should connect to the DC
Hi Jim,
I'm replacing the Dometic fridge in my ' 68 Tradewind with a new Dometic
2510 (about 40x23) which is sitting in my garage. The original fridge was
in
Looks like there isn't a match Jim. Most likely I'll have to install a 2510
in my Safari.
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Scott, the way it was described to me (I asked specifically), the bathroom
sink drain was plumbed directly into the black water tank. There was no
choice and nothing could be done to prevent it. It was supposedly just the
sink -- not the shower or the kitchen drain. The guy may be full of beans
Hi Nick,
This is much more than you asked for, so feel free to hit the delete
function at any time.
I think it's strange that you have frame separation and the floor is sound?
My Safari had substantial floor rot in several areas. Across the rear and
up to the wheel well cover on the street
Hi Jim,
Jim,
My '69 Safari had about 1 inch sag below the plastic panels. Means that the
fix is serious and costly and it should have a pretty high deduction in the
cost of the unit. In my case, I would prefer to remove the entire bathroom
and replace the floor up to the first cross brace in
If you lived in Virginia, you would have to declare the out of state
generator
purchase and pay the tax along with your state income tax? All the state
needs is the shipping address and the credit card info and they got ya! Big
brother knows everything you do?
I like the idea of using a rotary file on a Dremel (I have one) to remove
rusty sheet metal screws. Once the head of the screw is gone, how do I
remove the remaining screw shaft from the frame.
Jeff
Removing the rest of the screw after you grind off the head is unique for
each situation. If I
Hi Jeff,
If you are talking about sheet metal screws, they are
harder 'en hell and I've ruined many a bit trying to drill them out. I
finally settled on using a rotary file that is easy to control. Especially
in a small hand held tool like a Dremel. However, I use my regular 3/8th
inch
Hi All,
I stopped at Restless Wheels, Inc. in Manassas VA a few
days ago and asked about hydraulic brake controllers. The answer was that
it's illegal to break an ABS line to install a hydraulic accessory. Guess
that's the reason there aren't many shops that will install them or have them
Can you or your RV dealer site the federal or state statute that makes it
illegal to break an ABS line?
Well, I don't think I'll get into that with the dealer; well, maybe I will
when I stop again. I accepted his rationale for the hydraulic being
discontinued. The pricey option is still
Hi Randy,
Are you sure about the 3/16 perfectly round hole? Possibly the carpenter
bees get larger up here in southern VA as the holes are at least 3/8
diameter. Yes, the critters are big enough to swat with a badminton racket.
They fly very slow coming into the nest area. In a few minutes
Hi,
Lots of tips were posted regarding sealing the likely areas of the rear
bottom edge of the skin where the water wicks into and rots out the floor.
However, I've found that the tail light bezel that may be common to several
year models near the '69 are poorly engineered with regard to water
Jeff,
If you order the '72 service manual from
Secretarial Services and purchase Livingston's book "RV Repair and Maintenance
Manual" all your questions will be answered!
'69 Safari, Joy
Dave Huffman
I'm just putting my thought in the mill with regard to your dump valve pull
handle not to confuse things and myself as usual. Anyway, I've heard that
the pull handle frequently breaks loose from the shaft of the gate due to
lack of lubrication of the seal. The Thetford gate
We're aware of the two clips on the T handle that are designed to
prevent
the dump valve from opening inadvertently. However, for whatever reason
we've never been able to get them over the ends of the T handle. Any
suggestions, folks?
Possibly you need to clean the seal with a Q tip as
Hi Mary,
Believe it or not, I think I saw an adapter at a RV shop in Manassas. It's
the only shop on 28 more or less north of Manassas.
Didn't the old cable come with the trailer? If so, it's a rather simple
matter to change the wires in one of the male plugs to mate the
configuration. I may
Bob,
Costco has a 13 inch color AC/DC with VCR -
$199!
'69 Safari, Joy
Thanks Daisy,
I was afraid that I'd have to do the entire floor again. :(
Joy, Those self stick tiles don't hardly stick to a level, smooth,
immoveable floor. The plywood in an A/S even new is too rough for the
glue, and any flexing will send all the tiles up in the air. Gotta do
Scott,
I don't claim to have the experiences or knowledge that Dr. G has; however,
I do have a bit of experience with GFI.
When I started to redo my 55 year old house service, I wanted GFI protected
outlets that might be consistent with present code. The romex throughout my
home is imbedded in
Have you tried turning the unit upside
down?
Joy
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Thanks for the suggestion Don ...
The
Hi All,
I installed self adhesive vinyl tile in my safari this
winter. Now I find that the tile is buckling and refusing to stick.
It's really a bad tile rave installation. I'm sure I'll have to remove the
tile, but I'm curious if other have had a similar problem when installing tile
Hi List,
Well, I took the themocouple and the valve assembly out of
an old regulator. Sure enough, when I heated the termocouple, the valve
held in the open position until it closed. It snapped closed. The
wires I thought were for the electromagnet were actually from the therature
switch.
My Bambi's dump valve got very stiff and hard to pull. .
The fix that
worked for me was to pour a cup or two of automotive antifreeze down the
toilet into
an empty tank. . I let it sit for several days and
that slippery
stuff worked it's way into the
Thanks Terry for the enlightening post. I will have to give a lot of
thought to keeping in touch when I begin using my Safari.
'69 Safari, Joy
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First, I'll make up a sight tube (clear plastic tubing) the same length as
the height of my water
tank and install two water connectors in it (top and bottom). Next, I'll
install one tee on each of
the two pre-existing fittings on the water tank (one off the top vent
fitting and one off the
Hi I`m not KC but I have a similar set up ,25' remote panel ,and I used 10
gauge w /ground and didnt use the ground. Cut up extension cord from home
Just thought I'd throw my 2 cents worth into the discussion. Thought it is
important to tell you that stranded wire will carry many times more
Sorry about the unfortunate statement that stranded wire carries more
current than solid wire. My information came from a friend airconditioning
specialist with years of experience in residential and industria
installations. Just don't know who you can trust anymore! :)
I stand corrected.
Bob,
Once that is finished I plan on four 32 watt flexible solar panels which I
would rivet to the contour of the roof. I will be installing a good
charger / inverter and golf cart batteries.
Two under the galley where the old Suburban heater is housed and 2 under
the couch directly across.
Hi Sarah,
I realize that A/S construction might have changed over the years; however,
my '69 Safari is nearly identical to the illustrations in the '72 Service
manual. The first few pages show exploded chassis views of both the single
and tandem axle. I highly recommend purchase of a service
I am in the process of restoring my '70 Overlander and
have just finished gutting the interior.
I'm restoring a '69 Safari that I believe has the same bathroom as your
Overlander, i.e. 27'. According to the '72 service manual, they should be
identical with the holding tank under the floor
Thanks, Terry for the information and the advice.
I noticed an annomoly in your post '69 Safari 22'. My owner's manual only
indicates a 23' as my '69 Safari declares. Is your listing correct?
'69 Safari 23', Joy
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Steve,
Guess I got my plumbing as I was referring to the black water tank and you
were referring to the potable water tank. A bit of difference.
I have my potable water tank, that installs under the front window, removed
from my '69 Safari. I will check it to see if it has the cracks you
Hi Richard,
Have you taken the tank out and checked it? Your tank might be on the
street side rear corner and mounted on top of the floor. The toilet sits on
top of the tank. If the tank is leaking, you most likely have a pretty big
mess inside the Safari. My service manual is for '72 and
Hi Steve,
Thanks for the offer; however, let me look a bit more locally before I take
advantage of you.
I wondered about the lack of a vent until I looked inside the fill cap.
There wasn't a seal washer and the cap is specifically designed to prevent
being sealed - the cap is the vent!
Hi,
I must start thinking about replacing all the window seals, access hatches,
and main door seals in my '69 Safari. I read many posts concerning this
subject, but didn't clearly identify the seal that is suitable for my unit.
I'd appreciate help with identifying the seal, the type of glue
Steve,
Is this product called "Plastic Fix Epoxy"? States on the label that it is
suitable for ABS, PVC, and CPVC. I haven't tried it yet as I thought I'd
use it for some of my cracked bathroom panels when I reinstall them.
Unfortunately, my Safari holding tank has sagged as you describe;
My '69 Safari had a similar problem and the cause of the
floor rot is pretty well discussed on this list. I opted to take the
bathroom out and found that the floor rot was much more extensive than I
imagined. Because the job was much bigger than I imagined when I bought
the Safari and I
The A/S dealer in your area is in Kernersville, N.C. between Greensboro and
Winston/Salem just off I-40. It's called Out of Doors Mart, Inc. and the
phone number is 336 993 4518. Lori provided the initial info about the
location of one of the few A/S dealerships in the area. Call and get
Hi All,
Speaking of plastic tanks, I found the following in a local farm store
advertisement. When I consider that a replacement for the 15 or so gallon
tank in my Safari at near $500 if it's available, look at the size holding
tank I could buy - $469.99 for a 1500 gallon polyethylene tank. A
Harvey,
Lest you forget, the bolts hold the floor to the cross frame. The rivets
hold the aluminum "U" channel to the frame through the floor.
' 69 Safari, Joy
Hi Jerry,
I'm in the process of installing all PEX tubing in my '69 Safari. I've got
most of it done except plumbing in the pump/etc. up front. I left the
outside 1/2 inch soft copper pipe to the pressure regulator valve and the
relief valve. The pressure regulator is so heavy that I would
Dr. G.,
I mentioned earlier that I use synthetic motor oil to relube the porous
bronze bushings used in many motors as bearings. What I learned in part was
from a very knowledgible motorcycle mechanic while working on motorcycle
starters. These are subject to very high heat in an adverse
Hi All,
With regard to Suburban furnaces, the blower provides both combustion air
and circulation air for the ducts. Meaning that it's a dual purpose motor
and under very heavy stress.
I suggest that you look at the service manual. It will be necessary to
remove the furnace completely from
Sarah,
While talking to Jim Weston, Airmark Tools, he told me that he's using
aircraft flooring in the A/S that he restores. Here's a material that's
honeycomb wafer, 1/2 inch thick, impervious to most elements, and stronger
than plywood?
It's a start,
Hi Jason,
Great drawing! Makes a few words go a long way. :)
Maybe A/S changed the design about the time of your GT. I have the angle
iron in both the front for '69 and others have the same for '66. The
aluminum angle would definitely be a plus for restoration.
Hi Jim,
I've mentioned using a free standing carport in previous posts. Properly
planned, a suitable carport in you area might cost no more than $1200. In
my area, an 18 X 20 carport costs $595 installed. $150 more for a three
foot height addition and another $300 for an additional 10 feet in
Hi Chris,
Your absolutely right about the cost of the fittings for crimp vs.. the cost
of the hand tighten fittings. That's my problem right now. The path of
the cold water from aft to fore is a tortuous one to say the least. Around
the wheel well, around the furnace, around the refrigerator,
Mary,
Did you try to contact the fellow in MD selling the '78 Argosy 22'? I think
he was down to $5500 from $7000 last time I talked to him. He might be
ready for a reasonable offer if he hasn't sold the trailer yet.
'69 Safari, Joy
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Richard,
Thanks for the links - got to do homework and not put the VAClist in a panic
just because I have a bad hair day. What hair? I've lost it all restoring
my Safari.
Joy
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RE: [VAC] Re: Holding Tanks, floor replacement, etc.Hi,
I thought I'd post this sketch just to be sure that modifications to the
rear skin to insert an "L" shaped aluminum to deflect the water. It's my
opinion that any metal forced between the angle iron and the outer skin will
seriously
Jerry,
If you check your new Atwood, you'll most likely find the corners that are
missing attached to the pressure relief valve?
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Jerry,
I'm working with the tail light bezel to replace the backup and stop/tail
lights in my '69 Safari. From the pictures I see, the tail light
assembly/bezel changed significantly over the years. Maybe you could post a
picture of the assembly on list or to my e-mail address,
[EMAIL
Bob,
As far as I understand, the clear lens is a backup light. I think there's
been a bit of dialog in the past few days related to the inefficiency of
these lights. I guess it could be cut into the turn signal light if it
didn't operate when the brake was applied.
The reflector is a
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Hi Jeff,
I paid $2500 for a '69 Safari and thought I paid too much after I started
looking at the cost of the restoration work and appliances I'd have to
replace. Especially when the most I could expect to sell it for in restored
condition would be about $5000 to $6000 if it were polished.
You
Holding Tanks - what plastic in '76?Hi,
Does anyone on the list have a Bulb type rivet head shaver tool for sale?
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Jerry and Charlie,
Once you have the screws out and the plumbing disconnected (sweated loose)
you still have to cut the heater out. Pull the flanges that the screws were
in toward the middle of the heater. Behind them you
The connections to the water heater on my '69 Safari were flare, not
Holding Tanks - what plastic in '76?Hi Jim,
Your picture of your holding tanks was really interesting in that the gray
and black water tanks are mounted in the rear. I don't know how you got the
detail in 39KB as I usually end up with a 2X4 inch frame by the time I get
the bytes reduced
Hi All,
I'm about to reinstall the Suburban furnace in my '69 Safari and I need some
help with the caulking that seals the adapter between the skin and the
exhaust tube. The two screws evident in the exhaust port were covered with
caulking that seals the adapter to the exhaust tube. The
Hi Don,
Can't answer your questions about the "T" strip or the stainless screws. I
have the smoke shield on my '69 Safari and it's badly deteriorated in the
aluminum. Long years of standing in the rain and total oxidation of some of
the flat alumium separations between the window sections. I
Hi Charlie,
I'm about to reinstall the plumbing in my Safari and I don't want to use
redundant stuff. Your comment about the water heater popoff valve being a
pressure regulator worries me a bit, but I'm not sure. I thought the
purpose of the pressure regulator in the city hook up was to
RJ-
correct measurement. I wish they gave me 18' of length inside the unit...
Sounds like you are in the market for a '69 Safari 23'. It's about 19'
interior length.
Be careful about wishes, sometimes . . .
Joy
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Dr. G.
If you are keeping score, my '69 Safari has all copper wiring.
Joy
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Attached is a jpg of the porch light on our "new" 63 GT. It
has CORONADO cast into the base.
***
My '69 Safari has an identical lamp to the front
side of the entry door. There's a switch
Hi All,
When I was looking at websites for Airstreams for sale, I happened on
http://www.healthy-homes.com/airstrea.htm
I think the business is located in Vermont where it might tend to get pretty
cold in the winter. An explanation of how they strip the interior and
reinsulate vintage
You're right Jim, I'm in a total state of confusion! :)
Joy
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Hi All,
My '69 Safari seems to have the distinction of having foam in place
insulation on the underside of the floor rather than other types of
insulation. I have no idea what the R value is. I had to break out several
sections to replace rotted flooring. My plan for replacement is to use
Hi Jason,
Just a brief question: Is you unit single axle or dual axle?
Single axle units don't have a lot of hauling capacity for personal gear,
something like 800 pounds. This includes LP, water, waste, and personal
gear. I understand that an equilizer hitch improves this a bit. However,
Robert Gill,
I have measurements and pictures of the holding tank for a '69 Safari.
Also, I have pet theories about replacing the bathroom floor. Knowing that
I can learn from other restorers, I'd like to know how you plan to replace
the floor.
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Jodi,
There should be another fixture like the one up front in the BATHROOM.
Guess some people use old fashioned electric shavers that run on 12 volts.
Can't believe that a hair drier/blower or other modern bathroom appliance
could run on the cigarette like recepticle. :)
BTW, don't plug a 12
Hi Jodi,
I'm not sure I understand what you mean about being shore line
powered. Would you elaborate? Also, can you run a hair dryer off of a 12
volt plug in? If you have the adapter I mean.
I think that's the vernacular for hooking a Yacht (Land Yacht) to city
electric. I could be
Hi All,
I don't get it about "front plate" protection and front plate separation
that can be the result of using radial tires vs.. bias ply.
The only thing that I can imagine that could cause the front plate to
separate from the frame is flexing of the "A" frame with the pivot point
located
Hi Jason,
I haven't had a broken tank situation, but I have removed the holding tank,
housing, belly pan, gray water plumbing, etc. Whew! It's one hell of a job
to say the least. I would advise anyone thinking of a Rube Goldberg fix of
a holding tank to give the idea a lot of thought. A
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Hi John,
I didn't mean to challenge any pet theories about plate separation/equalizer
hitches/radials, etc. I did want to point out that there was a basic
problem that wasn't being addressed with regard to plate separation.
Hi All,
Personally, I liked the "Workers on Wheels" and preferred it to Cairo
stints, or the Robins in Capristrano! Certainly gave me something to think
about when I get my '69 Safari rolling!
Joy
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Toby,
You mentioned removing the shell of your A/s to clean the frame and I
assume to replace the floor. Can you describe your procedure. Off list is
quite alright.
Thanks,
Joy
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Hi Jim,
I may be speaking out of line, but small images of less than 30K seem to
post very well as attachments. Might save a lot of time looking for off
list sites and explain in a picture what thousands of words can't. The
image is of a floor replacement in the water pump area of my '69
Hi Bill,
I'm in Scottsburg, VA and quite a ways from Camping World in Manassas (200
miles). However, I do drop by when I visit my son in Ashburn or make doctor
appointments at the Springfield Kaiser facility. Didn't think about asking
them about a salvage door.
One reply had thoughts along
Hi Oliver,
You're absolutley right about sticking the electrode. More often than not,
it happens to me due to my lack of skill! :(
I haven't been able to deal with sheet metal screws in restricted space
other than using a rotary file and grinding the head off. I removed many of
these from
Hi All,
I need a replacement door for my Dometic refrigerator as the original is
badly broken around the perimeter, just at the point where the inside
plastic joins the door frame. I've attached a schematic of close
dimensions along with a picture of the inside of the door.
Hope
Hi Lew,
I have my '69 Safari mostly striped and haven't seen a drain line for the
AC. Can you explain where it should be located? The original unit was
recently replaced by Camping World. Seems that there should be a hose from
the unit to somewhere?
Thanks,
Right on Scott,
the mid 60's. As for trying to get the trailer back to original, you are
welcome to try, but unless you can find a craftsman, the best way is to do
it yourself. You care about the trailer more than 99.9% of hired people
would.
As I tear my Safari apart and see the "fixes" that
Hi All,
The Domentic RM 60 in my '69 Safari seems to work on both propane and 110
volts. Unfortunately, the interior plastic of the door is trashed around
the perimeter. Anyone out there have a door to fit my refrigerator that's
still in good shape?
Let me know on or off line,
Hi Jim,
Use your Digital VoltMeter (DVM) across the battery terminals after you
think it's fully charged, say when it's been plugged in to shore power
for a few days and no use of the trailer.
I've tried to rely on the voltage across the battery terminals to determine
the charge state of my
Hi Ralph,
Let me know off line if you see anything like a 22 - 23 foot Safari with
dual axles, mid '60s to
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Hi All,
Finally made it to the front of the '69 Safari. When I turned around, this
is what I saw!
:( Joy
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