Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial
Joyce: is it only the Shoegoo II or can any of the Shoegoo's work the same? Thank you, Alan Di Somma You know your a redneck when: You burn your yard, instead of mowing it... http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - From: Joyce Westphal To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:29 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal mixed with toluene (tolunol) available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl cement similar to Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them. You can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent for clear heads with no oder. But, though it is less toxic, I note that it does include a warning on the label. Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Nev, I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored ones are transparent. The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is transparency. Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs of all colors including clear. But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than Swan., and is round, not D-shaped. I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large. All of these are clear. Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders. This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River: (The root beer is clear, but not real transparent.) There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only in the 2oz. bottles. http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm I go through that in no time. A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and I use it for everything. Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions. I got the formula from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for shipping purposes (bulk). Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the matrix. It's not a thinner. This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00. That's not too bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement. http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators. You flyshop can get them from Hareline. WORD OF CAUTION! Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want voices in your head. So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now? Kool!!! DonO - Original Message - From: Neville Gosling To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used didn't have the red but I did order hot pink. One supplier only shipped UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one. Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three of toluene, MEK Acetone or do they all work individually? Next on the list is the vinyl cement, I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb
Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial
I've stuck with Sooegoo II RED label as it is the one that works the best. However, I've also used GE brand silicone seal, clear (look on the information label and make sure that it says it can be removed with toluene or tolunol). Be sure to use it in a well ventilated space. Joyce On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Alan Di Somma phxflyt...@cox.net wrote: Joyce: is it only the Shoegoo II or can any of the Shoegoo's work the same? Thank you, Alan Di Somma You know your a redneck when: You burn your yard, instead of mowing it... http://www.azflyfishing.net/ - Original Message - *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal mixed with toluene (tolunol) available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl cement similar to Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them. You can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent for clear heads with no oder. But, though it is less toxic, I note that it does include a warning on the label. Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Nev, I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored ones are transparent. The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is transparency. Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs of all colors including clear. But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than Swan., and is round, not D-shaped. I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large. All of these are clear. Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders. This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River: (The root beer is clear, but not real transparent.) There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only in the 2oz. bottles. http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm I go through that in no time. A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and I use it for everything. Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions. I got the formula from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for shipping purposes (bulk). Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the matrix. It's not a thinner. This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00. That's not too bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement. http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators. You flyshop can get them from Hareline. WORD OF CAUTION! Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want voices in your head. So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now? Kool!!! DonO - Original Message - *From:* Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM *Subject:* [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used didn't have the red but I did order hot pink. One supplier only shipped UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one. Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three of toluene, MEK Acetone or do they all work individually? Next on the list is the vinyl cement, I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce
The smell is gone as soon as it flashes off. That usually takes a few hours if the flies are outside in the heat. Toluene is extremely volatile..makes for quick flash off but you don't want to use it where there is a source of flames..ie, like near your furnace or water heater. I do mine outside when I've finished a batch. On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Thanks, One other thing. For how long can you smell fumes coming from it? I've opened fly boxes and had the insides smell like the cement I was using. I don't use any cements when I'm tying streamside. DonO - Original Message - *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:47 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce Doesn't shrink that I've noticed..try it and see. I learned this from the very first flytyer teacher I had and have used it for many years. I mostly use the Deft clear poly because of it's less liver danger, but also have the silicone seal when I want a really tough salmon fly head. Joyce On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Joyce, Does it shrink when drying? I've tried some silicones and they shrink and roll up feathers and wings. Thanks, Don - Original Message - *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal mixed with toluene (tolunol) available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl cement similar to Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them. You can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent for clear heads with no oder. But, though it is less toxic, I note that it does include a warning on the label. Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Nev, I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored ones are transparent. The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is transparency. Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs of all colors including clear. But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than Swan., and is round, not D-shaped. I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large. All of these are clear. Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders. This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River: (The root beer is clear, but not real transparent.) There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only in the 2oz. bottles. http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm I go through that in no time. A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and I use it for everything. Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions. I got the formula from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for shipping purposes (bulk). Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the matrix. It's not a thinner. This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00. That's not too bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement. http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators. You flyshop can get them from Hareline. WORD OF CAUTION! Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want voices in your head. So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now? Kool!!! DonO - Original Message - *From:* Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM *Subject:* [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used didn't have the red but I did order hot pink. One supplier only shipped UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one. Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three of toluene, MEK Acetone or do they all work individually? Next on the list is the vinyl cement, I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc
Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial
Beautiful, DonO! How did you get the tail to bend like that? Wes Wada Bend, Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial
Wes I rolled the fly back and crimped the tail against the edge of the collar on the vise. Then I applied cement. When it was close to dry I released it and let it settle to where it is, and allowed it to finish drying. One I did this am I left a thread tag out the back and looped it around the tail with a twist and then cinched the tag end back to the hook. I call it the 'inchworm bend', because I do my inch-worms that way. DonO - Original Message - From: Wes Wada To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial Beautiful, DonO! How did you get the tail to bend like that? Wes Wada Bend, Oregon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
[VFB] Juice-bug tutorial
Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used didn't have the red but I did order hot pink. One supplier only shipped UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one. Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three of toluene, MEK Acetone or do they all work individually? Next on the list is the vinyl cement, I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce
Joyce, Does it shrink when drying? I've tried some silicones and they shrink and roll up feathers and wings. Thanks, Don - Original Message - From: Joyce Westphal To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal mixed with toluene (tolunol) available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl cement similar to Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them. You can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent for clear heads with no oder. But, though it is less toxic, I note that it does include a warning on the label. Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Nev, I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored ones are transparent. The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is transparency. Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs of all colors including clear. But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than Swan., and is round, not D-shaped. I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large. All of these are clear. Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders. This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River: (The root beer is clear, but not real transparent.) There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only in the 2oz. bottles. http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm I go through that in no time. A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and I use it for everything. Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions. I got the formula from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for shipping purposes (bulk). Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the matrix. It's not a thinner. This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00. That's not too bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement. http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators. You flyshop can get them from Hareline. WORD OF CAUTION! Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want voices in your head. So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now? Kool!!! DonO - Original Message - From: Neville Gosling To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used didn't have the red but I did order hot pink. One supplier only shipped UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one. Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three of toluene, MEK Acetone or do they all work individually? Next on the list is the vinyl cement, I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr
Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce
Doesn't shrink that I've noticed..try it and see. I learned this from the very first flytyer teacher I had and have used it for many years. I mostly use the Deft clear poly because of it's less liver danger, but also have the silicone seal when I want a really tough salmon fly head. Joyce On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Joyce, Does it shrink when drying? I've tried some silicones and they shrink and roll up feathers and wings. Thanks, Don - Original Message - *From:* Joyce Westphal westpha...@gmail.com *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:29 PM *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal mixed with toluene (tolunol) available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl cement similar to Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them. You can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent for clear heads with no oder. But, though it is less toxic, I note that it does include a warning on the label. Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Nev, I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored ones are transparent. The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is transparency. Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs of all colors including clear. But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than Swan., and is round, not D-shaped. I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large. All of these are clear. Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders. This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River: (The root beer is clear, but not real transparent.) There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only in the 2oz. bottles. http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm I go through that in no time. A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and I use it for everything. Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions. I got the formula from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for shipping purposes (bulk). Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the matrix. It's not a thinner. This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00. That's not too bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement. http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators. You flyshop can get them from Hareline. WORD OF CAUTION! Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want voices in your head. So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now? Kool!!! DonO - Original Message - *From:* Neville Gosling nev.gosl...@shaw.ca *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM *Subject:* [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used didn't have the red but I did order hot pink. One supplier only shipped UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one. Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three of toluene, MEK Acetone or do they all work individually? Next on the list is the vinyl cement, I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You
Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce
Thanks, One other thing. For how long can you smell fumes coming from it? I've opened fly boxes and had the insides smell like the cement I was using. I don't use any cements when I'm tying streamside. DonO - Original Message - From: Joyce Westphal To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial- Joyce Doesn't shrink that I've noticed..try it and see. I learned this from the very first flytyer teacher I had and have used it for many years. I mostly use the Deft clear poly because of it's less liver danger, but also have the silicone seal when I want a really tough salmon fly head. Joyce On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Joyce, Does it shrink when drying? I've tried some silicones and they shrink and roll up feathers and wings. Thanks, Don - Original Message - From: Joyce Westphal To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial I've been using Shoe Goo II or silicone seal mixed with toluene (tolunol) available by the quart at your nearest hardware store. It works wonderfully..makes a clear, quick drying, flexible vinyl cement similar to Flexament and waterproof. However, as was previously said, you must use it in a well ventilated room. Take the flies outside to put it on them. You can also find a nice clear Deft waterbased polyurethrane that is excellent for clear heads with no oder. But, though it is less toxic, I note that it does include a warning on the label. Just my 2 cents worth. Joyce On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: Nev, I didn't see photos of their jelly-rope, so I don't know if the colored ones are transparent. The whole idea of my juice-bugs today is transparency. Decades ago when Swannundaze was available I did juice-bugs of all colors including clear. But Jelly-rope is softer and more clear than Swan., and is round, not D-shaped. I have clear and the 2 glittered flake ones in large. All of these are clear. Have them ship orders 1st class mail if they will for small orders. This below is what Mad River carries, from Spirit River: (The root beer is clear, but not real transparent.) There are some companies handling the vinyl cement thinner, but it's only in the 2oz. bottles. http://www.shop.charliesflybox.com/Vinyl-Cement-Thinner-Wapsi28.htm I go through that in no time. A quart of vinyl and the 3 chemicals in quart cans lasts me 10 years, and I use it for everything. Vinyl is a very tricky plastic, so the thinner for it is involved- needs to dilute without reactions. I got the formula from Ray Rumpf decades ago when he had to stop carrying it for shipping purposes (bulk). Vinyl cleans up with mineral spirits I think, but it destroys the matrix. It's not a thinner. This web site shows an 8oz can of vinyl cement for $11.00. That's not too bad considering they charge $4-6 for a 2oz jar of head cement. http://www.sailrite.com/HH-66-Vinyl-Cement-Quart Don't forget to get the needle-insert glue applicators. You flyshop can get them from Hareline. WORD OF CAUTION! Use with plenty of ventillation if you don't want voices in your head. So you're going to do a Jelly-rope DVD now? Kool!!! DonO - Original Message - From: Neville Gosling To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 4:38 PM Subject: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial Well you've got me going. I have ordered some jelly rope. I went to the Spirit River catalogue to view and then ordered small clear, couldn't find chartreuse listed ( perhaps this is the hot yellow ) and the supplier I used didn't have the red but I did order hot pink. One supplier only shipped UPS and the cost was high so I dropped that one. Now, as to thinning the vinyl cement, do I really need a mix of all three of toluene, MEK Acetone or do they all work individually? Next on the list is the vinyl cement, I an see a jelly-rope DVD on the horizon. Neville (Nev) Gosling Greater Vancouver, B.C. Canada -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail
Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial
Don,
Can you tell me what type or brand of Vinal cement. I finally got some stretch
rope.
Tony
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Subject: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial
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Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 2:48 PM
Re: [VFB] Big date tonight
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For those who wanted to learn how to tie the
'Juice-bugs', Darren MacEachern has posted a tutorial on his pages at this
site:
http://dailyflytyer.com/2010/07/juiced-up-buggs-don-ordes/
DonO
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[VFB] Juice-bug tutorial
Re: [VFB] Big date tonightFor those who wanted to learn how to tie the 'Juice-bugs', Darren MacEachern has posted a tutorial on his pages at this site: http://dailyflytyer.com/2010/07/juiced-up-buggs-don-ordes/ DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
Re: [VFB] Juice-bug tutorial
Thanks again for putting this together Don. I think it turned out really well. I would have glued most of the dubbing if I hadn't seen the tutorial! Cheers On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Don Ordes f...@tribcsp.com wrote: For those who wanted to learn how to tie the 'Juice-bugs', Darren MacEachern has posted a tutorial on his pages at this site: http://dailyflytyer.com/2010/07/juiced-up-buggs-don-ordes/ DonO -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com -- http://dailyflytyer.com - The Daily Fly Tyer -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VFB Mail group. To post to this group, send email to vfb-mail@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to vfb-mail-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/vfb-mail?hl=en VFB Mail is sponsored by Line's End Inc at http://www.linesend.com
