Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

2010-01-09 Thread Chuck Alexander 
Wes: I gotta get one of those tools, cause that's what I do.I  get all my beads 
at Hobby Lobby for dirt cheap. I can't afford to pay $3.95-$4.95 fro 24 little 
beads, Chuck

  - Original Message - 
  From: Wes Wada 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, January 09, 2010 9:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs


  The attached photo is what a bead reamer looks like.  This one has three 
interchangeable tips.  There is also a battery operated model marketed by 
Beadalon that has two tips.  Both items are available regularly on eBay which 
has the best prices.


  I get silver metal beads down to 1.5mm (1/16") from jewelry making supply 
stores.  These are standard beads with one slim hole drilled through, not the 
countersunk fly tying style.  The 1.5mm silver beads (which I use for chironmid 
pupa patterns) are economical purchased this way $5 per 100.




  Wes Wada
  Bend, Oregon


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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

2010-01-09 Thread Joyce Westphal 
You can find plastic beads at craft stores, such as Michaels and JoAnnes.
However, for tiny flies, glass come in the smallest sizes. But, the little
file works on both.  After all, glass is just cooked sand. Joyce

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:35 PM, Alan Di Somma  wrote:

>  Joyce:
>
> Do you have plastic beads as well as glass beads?
>
> Thank you,
> Alan Di Somma
>
> Why is it that at class reunions you feel younger than everyone else looks?
>
> http://www.azflyfishing.net/
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Joyce Westphal 
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:17 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
>
> You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft
> store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and
> can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads.  I find most of
> my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are
> used in needlework.  Check out that type of store as well. Joyce
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes  wrote:
>
>>  A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose
>> much of a problem.
>> I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb
>> doesn't bend.
>> I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove &
>> set, but it won't just fall out.
>> If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb
>> hook.
>> The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new
>> hooks today.
>> Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite
>> a bit.
>>
>> As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size
>> will be different,
>> as far as how much bending they will take.
>> Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it.
>> Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility.
>>
>> Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the
>> fly design.
>> Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine.
>> Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends.
>>
>> D
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Michael Bliss 
>> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question
>>
>> One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb
>> down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible
>> but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try
>> several and some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook
>> is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone
>> smarter might be able to answer that.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander <
>> chuckalexan...@hughes.net> wrote:
>>
>>>  OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I
>>> took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook
>>> sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink
>>> Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for
>>> the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend
>>> in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end
>>> of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I
>>> have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret
>>> to this??? Should I just make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread,
>>> or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on
>>> them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck
>>>
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

2010-01-08 Thread Anthony Spezio 
I could of used a set of them today.
Tony

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Peggy Brenner  wrote:

From: Peggy Brenner 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 8:37 PM

Joyce good idea, I got a set of tools for working with beads for Christmas 
along with my invisible Nook for ebooks :)

The reamer, as it's called really does pretty good on Walmart brand glass beads,

Peggy

Joyce Westphal wrote:
> You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft 
> store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and 
> can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads.  I find most of 
> my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are used 
> in needlework.  Check out that type of store as well. Joyce
> 
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes  <mailto:f...@tribcsp.com>> wrote:
> 
>     A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't
>     pose much of a problem.
>     I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb
>     doesn't bend.
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

2010-01-08 Thread Peggy Brenner 
Joyce good idea, I got a set of tools for working with beads for 
Christmas along with my invisible Nook for ebooks :)


The reamer, as it's called really does pretty good on Walmart brand 
glass beads,


Peggy

Joyce Westphal wrote:
You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your 
craft store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside 
the hole and can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads. 
 I find most of my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really 
small ones that are used in needlework.  Check out that type of store as 
well. Joyce


On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes > wrote:


A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't
pose much of a problem.
I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb
doesn't bend.
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question now Sowbug

2010-01-08 Thread Anthony Spezio 
We will think about you,
Tony

--- On Fri, 1/8/10, Michael Bliss  wrote:

From: Michael Bliss 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Friday, January 8, 2010, 12:00 AM

Tony,

I won't be coming this year. I wish I could but work is pretty heavy.  I will 
envy all who make it.

Mike

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Chuck Alexander  
wrote:








I agree Tony on the Eagle Claws and Mustads.. I 
used to do a lot of crappie fishing with live minnows and I'd use those two 
brands of hooks. And I'd get hung on  sunken trees etc, pull till the hook 
straightened out, reshape it, fish again and again and again.. Other brands I 
don't know about, Chuck
 

  - Original Message - 
  
From: 
  Anthony 
  Spezio 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 

  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:59 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly 
Question
  

  


  Mike, I know this will worry some tyers and I am sure 
some hooks will be too brittle like the old VMC hooks. I have had no 
problems with the Eagle Claw hooks I use and most of the Mustads.. On 
some of the old Mustads, most that broke was when I pinched down the 
barb so I quit using them.Like I said, it works for me. I have not 
tried 
it with the real small hooks, sz 14 is the smallest I have done it 
with.
Are you going to make the Sowbug this year. Hope 
so.
Tony

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael Bliss 
 wrote:


From: 
  Michael Bliss 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny 
  Fly Question
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, 
  January 7, 2010, 1:48 PM


  One of the things that Tony said was what I 
  would say - pinch the barb down.  Next get the right size bead 
  for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible but I have found that 
  they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try several and 
  some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook 
  is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal 
  fatigue.  Someone smarter might be able to answer that. 
  

Mike



  On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander 
   
  wrote:

  

OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. 
I am stumped with a problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger 
fly, then working my way down in hook sizes till I get to where I 
want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish Producer, 
and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for the 
head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp 
bend in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right 
off the eye end of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried 
halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads front wards, 
backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just 
make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or tiny 
tinsel?? 
Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? 
Thanks for ANY help, Chuck
 
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

2010-01-07 Thread Michael Bliss 
Tony,

I won't be coming this year. I wish I could but work is pretty heavy.  I
will envy all who make it.

Mike

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 5:47 PM, Chuck Alexander
wrote:

>  I agree Tony on the Eagle Claws and Mustads.. I used to do a lot of
> crappie fishing with live minnows and I'd use those two brands of hooks. And
> I'd get hung on  sunken trees etc, pull till the hook straightened out,
> reshape it, fish again and again and again.. Other brands I don't know
> about, Chuck
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Anthony Spezio 
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:59 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question
>
>   Mike, I know this will worry some tyers and I am sure some hooks will be
> too brittle like the old VMC hooks. I have had no problems with the Eagle
> Claw hooks I use and most of the Mustads.. On some of the old Mustads, most
> that broke was when I pinched down the barb so I quit using them.Like I
> said, it works for me. I have not tried it with the real small hooks, sz 14
> is the smallest I have done it with.
> Are you going to make the Sowbug this year. Hope so.
> Tony
>
> --- On *Thu, 1/7/10, Michael Bliss * wrote:
>
>
> From: Michael Bliss 
> Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question
> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:48 PM
>
> One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb
> down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible
> but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try
> several and some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook
> is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone
> smarter might be able to answer that.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander 
> http://mc/compose?to=chuckalexan...@hughes.net>
> > wrote:
>
>>  OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I
>> took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook
>> sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink
>> Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for
>> the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend
>> in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end
>> of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I
>> have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret
>> to this??? Should I just make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread,
>> or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on
>> them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck
>>
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

2010-01-07 Thread Chuck Alexander 
I agree Tony on the Eagle Claws and Mustads.. I used to do a lot of crappie 
fishing with live minnows and I'd use those two brands of hooks. And I'd get 
hung on  sunken trees etc, pull till the hook straightened out, reshape it, 
fish again and again and again.. Other brands I don't know about, Chuck

  - Original Message - 
  From: Anthony Spezio 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:59 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question


Mike, I know this will worry some tyers and I am sure some hooks will 
be too brittle like the old VMC hooks. I have had no problems with the Eagle 
Claw hooks I use and most of the Mustads.. On some of the old Mustads, most 
that broke was when I pinched down the barb so I quit using them.Like I said, 
it works for me. I have not tried it with the real small hooks, sz 14 is the 
smallest I have done it with.
Are you going to make the Sowbug this year. Hope so.
Tony

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Michael Bliss  wrote:


  From: Michael Bliss 
      Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:48 PM


  One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the 
barb down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as 
flexible but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can 
try several and some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook 
is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone 
smarter might be able to answer that. 

  Mike



  On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 wrote:

OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a 
problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in 
hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my 
Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead 
for the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend 
in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of 
the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have 
tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to 
this??? Should I just make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or 
tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on 
them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck


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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

2010-01-07 Thread Don Ordes 
A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much 
of a problem.
I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't 
bend.
I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove & set, 
but it won't just fall out.
If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb hook.
The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new 
hooks today.
Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a bit.

As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will be 
different, 
as far as how much bending they will take.  
Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot in it.
Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility.

Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the fly 
design.  
Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine.  
Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends.

D
  - Original Message - 
  From: Anthony Spezio 
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  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs


I know this is kind of getting off topic but I have knows some tyers 
that have used a cigarette lighter to anneal the bend to open it up a bit. I 
have not resorted to that. 
Plastic beads are my problem not many brass beads.
Don, you are right about the old Mustads. I have a draw with a whole 
bunch of flies with broken hooks from bending the barbs. All of them have been 
fished and broke off on fish. All are the old Mustads.
Tony

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Don Ordes  wrote:


  From: Don Ordes 
      Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
  Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:14 PM


  A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't 
pose much of a problem.
  I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb 
doesn't bend.
  I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to 
remove & set, but it won't just fall out.
  If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller 
barb hook.
  The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on 
the new hooks today.
  Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary 
quite a bit.

  As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every 
size will be different, 
  as far as how much bending they will take.  
  Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot 
it.
  Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending 
flexibility.

  Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to 
the fly design.  
  Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine.  
  Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round 
bends.

  D
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Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question


One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the 
barb down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as 
flexible but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can 
try several and some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook 
is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone 
smarter might be able to answer that. 

Mike



On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 wrote:

  OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a 
problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in 
hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my 
Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead 
for the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend 
in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of 
the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have 
tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to 
this??? Should I just make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or 
tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on 
them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck


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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

2010-01-07 Thread Alan Di Somma 
Joyce:

Do you have plastic beads as well as glass beads?

Thank you,
Alan Di Somma 

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  From: Joyce Westphal 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 5:17 PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs


  You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft 
store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and 
can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads.  I find most of my 
tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are used in 
needlework.  Check out that type of store as well. Joyce


  On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes  wrote:

A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose 
much of a problem.
I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb 
doesn't bend.
I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove & 
set, but it won't just fall out.
If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb 
hook.
The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new 
hooks today.
Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a 
bit.

As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will 
be different, 
as far as how much bending they will take.  
Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it.
Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility.

Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the 
fly design.  
Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine.  
Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends.

D
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  From: Michael Bliss 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM
      Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question


  One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb 
down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible but 
I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try several 
and some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook is 
interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone 
smarter might be able to answer that. 

  Mike



  On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander 
 wrote:

OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I 
took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes 
till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish 
Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for the head. 
The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, 
or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or 
get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads 
front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just 
make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you 
just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, 
Chuck


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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

2010-01-07 Thread Joyce Westphal 
You can also find pointed type files in the beadworking area of your craft
store, such as JoAnn's or Michaels, or the like. They go inside the hole and
can be used to file it down. They even help on glass beads.  I find most of
my tiny beads at the knitting shop. they have really small ones that are
used in needlework.  Check out that type of store as well. Joyce

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Don Ordes  wrote:

>  A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose
> much of a problem.
> I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb
> doesn't bend.
> I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove &
> set, but it won't just fall out.
> If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb
> hook.
> The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new
> hooks today.
> Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a
> bit.
>
> As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will
> be different,
> as far as how much bending they will take.
> Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it.
> Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility.
>
> Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the
> fly design.
> Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine.
> Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends.
>
> D
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Michael Bliss 
> *To:* vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question
>
> One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb
> down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible
> but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try
> several and some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook
> is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone
> smarter might be able to answer that.
>
> Mike
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander  > wrote:
>
>>  OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I
>> took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook
>> sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink
>> Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for
>> the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend
>> in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end
>> of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I
>> have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret
>> to this??? Should I just make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread,
>> or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on
>> them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck
>>
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

2010-01-07 Thread Anthony Spezio 
I know this is kind of getting off topic but I have knows some tyers that have 
used a cigarette lighter to anneal the bend to open it up a bit. I have not 
resorted to that. 
Plastic beads are my problem not many brass beads.
Don, you are right about the old Mustads. I have a draw with a whole bunch of 
flies with broken hooks from bending the barbs. All of them have been fished 
and broke off on fish. All are the old Mustads.
Tony

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From: Don Ordes 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 2:14 PM



 
 

A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are 
micro-barb, so they don't pose much of a problem.
I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is 
brittle and the barb doesn't bend.
I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow 
profile- east to remove & set, but it won't just fall out.
If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, 
or find a smaller barb hook.
The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared 
to the barbs on the new hooks today.
Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and 
bead length vary quite a bit.
 
As far as bending the hook, every maker and every 
style and every size will be different, 
as far as how much 
bending they will take.  
Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can 
almost tie a knot it.
Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account 
for bending flexibility.
 
Style is something you can take into account when 
you match hooks to the fly design.  
Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are 
fine.  
Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy 
perfect or round bends.
 
D

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  Bliss 
  To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:48 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly 
Question
  
One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch 
  the barb down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is 
  not as flexible but I have found that they are not consistent with the 
  sizes.  You can try several and some will work and some won't.  
  Tony's idea of bending the hook is interesting but I would worry about that 
  causing metal fatigue.  Someone smarter might be able to answer that. 
  

Mike



  On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander  
wrote:

  

OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am 
stumped with a problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then 
working my way down in hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, 
I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. 
Problem is, the gold  bead for the head. The ones I have are either too 
small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, or they are too big, and 
they 
either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye 
buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads front wards, 
backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just make the 
"gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just 
not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, 
Chuck
 
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question- beads and barbs

2010-01-07 Thread Don Ordes 
A lot of the new hooks for flyfishing are micro-barb, so they don't pose much 
of a problem.
I rarely squash a barb flat, unless the hook is brittle and the barb doesn't 
bend.
I prefer to bend the barb down to a very shallow profile- east to remove & set, 
but it won't just fall out.
If I'm setting beads, I just squash until they fit, or find a smaller barb hook.
The barbs on my ol Mustads are really big compared to the barbs on the new 
hooks today.
Mike is right about glass beads- the hole size and bead length vary quite a bit.

As far as bending the hook, every maker and every style and every size will be 
different, 
as far as how much bending they will take.  
Some snap with the 1st movement, and some you can almost tie a knot it.
Forged vs wire vs gage vs tempering- all account for bending flexibility.

Style is something you can take into account when you match hooks to the fly 
design.  
Tying barbell-eye streamers?- limerick bends are fine.  
Going to be using cone-heads, beads, etc.?, buy perfect or round bends.

D
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  Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question


  One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb down.  
Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible but I have 
found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try several and 
some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook is interesting 
but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone smarter might be 
able to answer that. 

  Mike



  On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander  
wrote:

OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I 
took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes 
till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish 
Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for the head. 
The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, 
or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or 
get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads 
front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just 
make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you 
just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, 
Chuck


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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

2010-01-07 Thread Anthony Spezio 
Mike, I know this will worry some tyers and I am sure some hooks will be too 
brittle like the old VMC hooks. I have had no problems with the Eagle Claw 
hooks I use and most of the Mustads.. On some of the old Mustads, most that 
broke was when I pinched down the barb so I quit using them.Like I said, it 
works for me. I have not tried it with the real small hooks, sz 14 is the 
smallest I have done it with.
Are you going to make the Sowbug this year. Hope so.
Tony

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From: Michael Bliss 
Subject: Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 1:48 PM

One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb down.  
Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible but I have 
found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try several and 
some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook is interesting 
but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone smarter might be 
able to answer that. 


Mike



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wrote:









OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am 
stumped with a problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working 
my way down in hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or 
TRYING) my Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the 
gold  bead for the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around 
the sharp bend in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off 
the eye end of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the 
bead. I have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a 
secret to this??? Should I just make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying 
thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead 
head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck
 

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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

2010-01-07 Thread Michael Bliss 
One of the things that Tony said was what I would say - pinch the barb
down.  Next get the right size bead for the hook.  Glass is not as flexible
but I have found that they are not consistent with the sizes.  You can try
several and some will work and some won't.  Tony's idea of bending the hook
is interesting but I would worry about that causing metal fatigue.  Someone
smarter might be able to answer that.

Mike


On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Chuck Alexander
wrote:

>  OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I
> took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook
> sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink
> Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for
> the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend
> in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end
> of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I
> have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret
> to this??? Should I just make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread,
> or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead head on
> them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

2010-01-07 Thread haerbob3 
build a thread bump that is a snug fit on the bead, a few wrap of thread in the 
front as a stop. and then use super glue to affix Try using glass beads 

BobH 

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Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2010 11:43:24 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question 


OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I took 
the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes till I 
get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish 
Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold bead for the head. 
The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, 
or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or 
get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads 
front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just 
make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you 
just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, 
Chuck 

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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

2010-01-06 Thread Chuck Alexander 
Jeff: Thanks. I'm just gonna order a package of each size, then I'll know I 
have the right sized  ones, Chuck

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  Get the right size bead would be my advise




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  Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 10:43:24 PM
  Subject: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question


  OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I took 
the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes till I 
get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish 
Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for the head. 
The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, 
or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or 
get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads 
front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just 
make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you 
just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, 
Chuck

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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

2010-01-06 Thread Chuck Alexander 
Gary: Thanks..I'll get my calipers and measure my beads. I used several sizes, 
but maybe not the correct one, Chuck

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  BEAD TO HOOK SIZE

  1/16= Size 20
  5/64= Size 18
  3/32= Size 16
  7/64= Size 14
  1/8  = Size 12
  5/32 = Size 10 & 8
  7/32 = Size 6 & 4
  1/4 = #2
   Hope this helps
  Gary S
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From: Chuck Alexander 
To: Virtual Fly Box ; fly fishing for panfish 
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:43 PM
Subject: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question


OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I 
took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes 
till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish 
Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for the head. 
The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, 
or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or 
get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads 
front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just 
make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you 
just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, 
Chuck






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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

2010-01-06 Thread Jeff Frye 
Get the right size bead would be my advise





From: Chuck Alexander 
To: Virtual Fly Box ; fly fishing for panfish 

Sent: Wed, January 6, 2010 10:43:24 PM
Subject: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

 
OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am 
stumped with a problem.. I took the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working 
my way down in hook sizes till I get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or 
TRYING) my Pink Panfish Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the 
gold  bead for the head. The ones I have are either too small to go around 
the sharp bend in the hook, or they are too big, and they either fall right off 
the eye end of the fly, or get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the 
bead. I have tried the beads front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a 
secret to this??? Should I just make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying 
thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you just not tie flies this small with a bead 
head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, Chuck
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Re: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question

2010-01-06 Thread the smith's 
BEAD TO HOOK SIZE

1/16= Size 20
5/64= Size 18
3/32= Size 16
7/64= Size 14
1/8  = Size 12
5/32 = Size 10 & 8
7/32 = Size 6 & 4
1/4 = #2
 Hope this helps
Gary S
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Chuck Alexander 
  To: Virtual Fly Box ; fly fishing for panfish 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:43 PM
  Subject: [VFB] Tiny Fly Question


  OK all you tiny fly tying experts LOL.. I am stumped with a problem.. I took 
the advice of tying a bigger fly, then working my way down in hook sizes till I 
get to where I want. Problem is, I'm tying (or TRYING) my Pink Panfish 
Producer, and I'm down to a size 20. Problem is, the gold  bead for the head. 
The ones I have are either too small to go around the sharp bend in the hook, 
or they are too big, and they either fall right off the eye end of the fly, or 
get stuck, with the eye buried halfway inside the bead. I have tried the beads 
front wards, backwards and sideways. Is there a secret to this??? Should I just 
make the "gold=bead head" out of gold tying thread, or tiny tinsel?? Or do you 
just not tie flies this small with a bead head on them?? Thanks for ANY help, 
Chuck



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