Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-14 Thread Jay dedman
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org wrote: This is from the Seattle Times last week. Credit Suisse analyst says YouTube will cost Google $470m. Bandwidth costs them $360m, content rights cost them $252m, but sales from advertising are only $240m (um, only). This

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-14 Thread Rupert
75 billion streams to 375 million unique visitors in 2009? Damn, they're catching up with Twittervlog. It's time I installed that new Wordpress theme. On 14-Apr-09, at 8:41 PM, Jay dedman wrote: On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org wrote: This is from the

RE: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-10 Thread Pat Cook
Hi everyone: To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com From: rup...@fatgirlinohio.org Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 13:48:57 -0700 Subject: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year This is from the Seattle Times last week. Credit Suisse analyst says YouTube will cost Google

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-09 Thread Adam Quirk
It's still early in the game. They're rolling out new revenue models all the time. This one seems to be doing well: http://www.webpronews.com/topnews/2009/04/09/youtube-launches-click-to-buy-in-eight-new-countries Credit Suisse analysts may have to revisit their estimate that YouTube will

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-09 Thread Rupert
Yeah, you make a good case. I can't really argue back any more than just to say that I was - probably naively - basing my impressions on an assumption that Google knows what it's doing as far as advertising is concerned, being impressed by their $20+bn/yr ad revenues. I'd never really

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-09 Thread J. Rhett Aultman
I had assumed that they're trying their absolute hardest not to lose half a billion dollars and that they haven't been able to make it work yet. But perhaps you're right and they are indeed shackled by a GM-like existing situation with YouTube and don't know how to fix it. First off, having

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-09 Thread Rupert
Great. But if you look at the YouTube videos, the links are in the info panel, not in banners or overlays, so I don't know whether it's really a proper display of the effectiveness of annoying Click To Buy text overlays popping up over someone's home video containing a Britney Spears song.

[videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread Rupert
This is from the Seattle Times last week. Credit Suisse analyst says YouTube will cost Google $470m. Bandwidth costs them $360m, content rights cost them $252m, but sales from advertising are only $240m (um, only). Oops. If YouTube and Google can't make it work, how the hell is anybody

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread Michael Sullivan
in other news... http://blog.streamingmedia.com/the_business_of_online_vi/2009/04/disney-says-hulu-running-out-of-cash.html ;) On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 4:48 PM, Rupert rup...@fatgirlinohio.org wrote: This is from the Seattle Times last week. Credit Suisse analyst says YouTube will cost Google

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread Rupert
Rereading my post, my final comments were supposed to be questions, not statements. Here are some more: As a layman, I don't understand how people will make money with advertising on online video. Surely at some point soon, pay per view will become the norm? Will the recession bring this

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread Steve Rhodes
Yes, YouTube is losing money, but just because an analyst says they are losing half a billion dollars doesn't make it so. Sent from my iPhone

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread Rupert
True, but from my brief experience of working with Analysts, they do spend quite a lot of time working on their figures, not just plucking things out of thin air. And it's not a two-bit Analyst, it's a couple of guys at Credit Suisse. So I'd presume that they were basing this on

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread J. Rhett Aultman
I think you're painting online video with an incredibly wide brush here, and it's pretty distortionary. These questions were once asked about text online, too, and the answer is that any of a number of business models have arisen. Content that has been worth money and isn't value-added through

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread Jay dedman
As a layman, I don't understand how people will make money with advertising on online video. Surely at some point soon, pay per view will become the norm? Will the recession bring this on? With things like paypal and google checkout, isn't paying for things much easier now? Easy enough to

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread Rupert
That's me - broad brush man. Jack of all trades, master of none. I take your point, that it's horses for courses, but I still don't understand the long term future of advertising for on-demand video. It's just not happening on anything like the scale of traditional advertising, or even

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread Jim Kukral
I wrote about this last June. I don't understand why they are so hesitant to open it up to the business/marketing community for $$$. My entire post lays it out. http://www.jimkukral.com/how-youtube-is-missing-out-on-12-billion-a-year-by-not-having-a-business-channel/ I figure they can make 1.2

Re: [videoblogging] YouTube will lose half a billion dollars this year

2009-04-08 Thread J. Rhett Aultman
ads don't work with ephemeral content. Surely that's exactly where they do work? Most of the media we consume is ephemeral - TV, newspapers, online news, we see adverts alongside those things as they stream into our lives. On-demand video is largely different from that, isn't it? it's