Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
Jen Simmons wrote: Now all you have to do is define what a blog is. Some would argue it is just another name for website. -David I wouldn't be one of those people. I started building websites in 1998. I started building blogs in 2002. There's a big difference between the way a static html-based site works and blogging technology (using some sort of third party software that creates pages for you and automatically archives, moving older content off the home page without being asked.) I started a weblog in 1997, before the term 'blog' even existed. Actually, I don't even thing the word 'weblog' was really used then either. Many of the early weblogs were static html, but they were updated often (sometimes every single day!) and eventually 'permalinks' were considered *very* important for weblogs, so you could actually link to a single post, instead of just a page, and the concept of a 'front page of many posts with permalinks' was how it worked. While many weblogs were static html, plenty of us used tools to generate the html and then automatically upload it to the web. To me, the revolutionary thing about the invention of the blog is in the ease of the technology -- making it so very much easier to keep a site always changing, always current -- especially for those of us who've always built sites as a one-person team (not a huge site with a staff / with programmers there to write custom backend aps) Of course it's always been technologically possible to update a website often using static html, but the human-power-reality of the amount of time it took to constantly post new pages by hand meant it didn't happen nearly as much as I wanted. I would have never dreamed seven years ago of updating as often as I do now, or of running as many sites as I do now, or of those sites being as large and as complicated as they are now. In the past, I was always stuck being the only person who had the tech-know-how to make any changes. Now I can build a blog into my client's page, teach them the interface, and let them be responsible for all the news and announcements -- leave me out of it! The funny thing is, I think it was actually easier/quicker to update my weblog in 1997. I just ran a menu command in Frontier, typed in some text, and ran another menu command. Of course I had to be sitting at my own desktop computer, there were no comments, trackbacks, pings, clean urls, useful metadata, etc, etc, etc... Pete -- http://tinkernet.org/ videoblog for the future... YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
Now all you have to do is define what a blog is. Some would argue it is just another name for website. -David From: Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 09:38:04 -0700 Claudio, your confusion stems from the fact that if you ask everyone here what a videoblog is, everyone will give a different answer! I'm going with the most open definition right now: video. on a blog. All the other stuff, feeds/enclosures, citizen journalism, all of it: it's gravy on the toast. Video. Blog. Put them together in some way, and that's a video blog. --Stephanie On 8/21/05, claudio gherardini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ehm..I am still trying to undestand what is a videoblog and my english is very poorsob Claudio Gherardini 50126 - Firenze - via A. Traversari 75 - Italy tel: +39055687618 icq: 74274967 msn messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mobile phone: +39 347 8060186 mobile phone: +39 333 9237262 videophone +39 3932504859 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.claudiogherardini.net Stephanie Bryant wrote: I just found my first video-on-a-blog entry, from March 25, 2002, one week after I got my first blog: http://www.livejournal.com/users/mortaine/2900.html Wasn't, like, RSS+enclosures back then, but still. Video. Blog. Whee. What's yours? --Stephanie -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mortaine.com SPONSORED LINKS Individualhttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Individualw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Explainsc=3s=43.sig=jfEB_5hyst_semPUs5kM_Q Fireanthttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Fireantw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Explainsc=3s=43.sig=ofkBYSRAqA4LBehb98mK8A Explainshttp://groups.yahoo.com/gads?t=msk=Explainsw1=Individualw2=Fireantw3=Explainsc=3s=43.sig=ICAE5KyehbkVi3PDo2FPfg -- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS - Visit your group videoblogginghttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging on the web. - To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] - Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. -- -- Stephanie Bryant [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mortaine.com SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
around the 21/8/05 David Yirchott mentioned about Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your ol that: Now all you have to do is define what a blog is. Some would argue it is just another name for website. the list has discussed this at length. No, it isn't. Specifics vary but the google site is not a blog, nor is my university's. -- cheers Adrian Miles hypertext.RMIT URL:http://hypertext.rmit.edu.au/vlog YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
Adrian, I am not sure that I would put myself in the camp of those whose broad definition of blog would include all websites, but as I mentioned previously some do. Although I will say I have heard that point made rather convincingly. For instance, I don't think most would consider television station website as blogs, but they do seem to meet all of the requirements (that I am aware of). I am not familiar with your university's website, but if BoingBoing: a directory of wonderful things is considered a blog, then why not Google: a self-styled directory of all things? Afterall the search function is not unlike combing the archives of a blog -- one puts in a search term and is rewarded with a list of matching posts. In fact, it is almost as if Google is a more interactive version of a blog - it only ever gives you content tailored to what you ask for. There are many blogs that link offsite, so that alone shouldn't disqualify it. And surely a splash page is okay. And the fact that people purposefully alter meta tags, font sizes, and other qualities of their sites to get submitted to search engines makes it almost like a really, really large group blog with tons of contributors. If I were asked, I wouldn't classify Google as a blog. Though I am not sure that I could give a convincing reason why. It's sort of like art. You can't describe it, but you know it when you see it. Though I'd definitely be interested in hearing why you think it isn't a blog, I suspect you've thought about this more than I have and will be able to put to words what I cannot. That being said, we still haven't defined what a blog is, only examples of what it might not be. Are there any good, widely accepted definitions out there you can point us to? Because even if search engines are taken out of the mix, that still leaves us with a lot of websites. Thanks! -David Now all you have to do is define what a blog is. Some would argue it is just another name for website. the list has discussed this at length. No, it isn't. Specifics vary but the google site is not a blog, nor is my university's. -- cheers Adrian Miles YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
Now all you have to do is define what a blog is. Some would argue it is just another name for website. -David I wouldn't be one of those people. I started building websites in 1998. I started building blogs in 2002. There's a big difference between the way a static html-based site works and blogging technology (using some sort of third party software that creates pages for you and automatically archives, moving older content off the home page without being asked.) To me, the revolutionary thing about the invention of the blog is in the ease of the technology -- making it so very much easier to keep a site always changing, always current -- especially for those of us who've always built sites as a one-person team (not a huge site with a staff / with programmers there to write custom backend aps) Of course it's always been technologically possible to update a website often using static html, but the human-power-reality of the amount of time it took to constantly post new pages by hand meant it didn't happen nearly as much as I wanted. I would have never dreamed seven years ago of updating as often as I do now, or of running as many sites as I do now, or of those sites being as large and as complicated as they are now. In the past, I was always stuck being the only person who had the tech-know-how to make any changes. Now I can build a blog into my client's page, teach them the interface, and let them be responsible for all the news and announcements -- leave me out of it! Blogs were definitely invented much later than html. And the invention has changed the way websites are made, and made it possible for many more people to be building websites. Now we just need the same kind of easy-of-use revolution for videoblogging... A blog is a kind of website, but not all websites are blogs. Just as the web is part of the internet, but just one part -- there's a lot going on (and has been for 40 years) on the internet, that has nothing to do with the wide world web (which is just over 10 years old). j YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
David Yirchott wrote: Adrian, I am not sure that I would put myself in the camp of those whose broad definition of blog would include all websites, but as I mentioned previously some do. Although I will say I have heard that point made rather convincingly. For instance, I don't think most would consider television station website as blogs, but they do seem to meet all of the requirements (that I am aware of). The term used to mean, very specifically, a periodic list of interesting links found on the web. The prototypical example remains Robot Wisdom. These days it is synonymous with the common features shared between several widely-used applications: periodic posts, rss, trackback pings. Yes, there are edge cases. There are always edge cases. Where would pedants be without edge cases? YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
Jen, Thanks for the input, but I think you are referring to a change in technology brought about by time, not necessarily a defining characteristic of either websites or blogs. Content Management Systems have made life easier for all of us. Heck, one doesn't even really have to know any programming languages to create or maintain a website anymore. But a CMS neither defines a blog nor a website. Either can be created and maintained with or without one. I uses a template-based CMS at work and wouln't really call the end product a blog, though it seems to fit the definitions I've come across. -David From: Jen Simmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:30:00 -0400 Now all you have to do is define what a blog is. Some would argue it is just another name for website. -David I wouldn't be one of those people. I started building websites in 1998. I started building blogs in 2002. There's a big difference between the way a static html-based site works and blogging technology (using some sort of third party software that creates pages for you and automatically archives, moving older content off the home page without being asked.) To me, the revolutionary thing about the invention of the blog is in the ease of the technology -- making it so very much easier to keep a site always changing, always current -- especially for those of us who've always built sites as a one-person team (not a huge site with a staff / with programmers there to write custom backend aps) Of course it's always been technologically possible to update a website often using static html, but the human-power-reality of the amount of time it took to constantly post new pages by hand meant it didn't happen nearly as much as I wanted. I would have never dreamed seven years ago of updating as often as I do now, or of running as many sites as I do now, or of those sites being as large and as complicated as they are now. In the past, I was always stuck being the only person who had the tech-know-how to make any changes. Now I can build a blog into my client's page, teach them the interface, and let them be responsible for all the news and announcements -- leave me out of it! Blogs were definitely invented much later than html. And the invention has changed the way websites are made, and made it possible for many more people to be building websites. Now we just need the same kind of easy-of-use revolution for videoblogging... A blog is a kind of website, but not all websites are blogs. Just as the web is part of the internet, but just one part -- there's a lot going on (and has been for 40 years) on the internet, that has nothing to do with the wide world web (which is just over 10 years old). j SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
Charles, Thanks for the great link, I just bookmarked it! As far as I know, RSS and trackback pings are optional bells and whistles for both blogs and vlogs. Are there any features specific to blogs that would differentiate them from common websites? -David From: Charles HOPE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry) Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 23:44:38 -0400 The term used to mean, very specifically, a periodic list of interesting links found on the web. The prototypical example remains Robot Wisdom. These days it is synonymous with the common features shared between several widely-used applications: periodic posts, rss, trackback pings. Yes, there are edge cases. There are always edge cases. Where would pedants be without edge cases? SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
David Yirchott wrote: Charles, Thanks for the great link, I just bookmarked it! As far as I know, RSS and trackback pings are optional bells and whistles for both blogs and vlogs. Are there any features specific to blogs that would differentiate them from common websites? In the modern usage (being descriptive and not prescriptive), blogness includes rss and trackback pings because they are notable features exhibited by the overwhelming majority of blogs, and lacked by most things that aren't called blogs. SPONSORED LINKS Individual Fireant Explains YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
Ah, Charles, but the website where I work has an RSS feed and it isn't a blog (to me). Many website do now. Also, there are many blogs without RSS and/or trackback pings. -David Are there any features specific to blogs that would differentiate them from common websites? In the modern usage (being descriptive and not prescriptive), blogness includes rss and trackback pings because they are notable features exhibited by the overwhelming majority of blogs, and lacked by most things that aren't called blogs. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- font face=arial size=-1a href=http://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=12hcm8s9p/M=362329.6886308.7839368.1510227/D=groups/S=1705554021:TM/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1124691727/A=2894321/R=0/SIG=11dvsfulr/*http://youthnoise.com/page.php?page_id=1992 Fair play? Video games influencing politics. Click and talk back!/a./font ~- Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/videoblogging/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
David Yirchott wrote: Ah, Charles, but the website where I work has an RSS feed and it isn't a blog (to me). Many website do now. Also, there are many blogs without RSS and/or trackback pings. When you say "blog" to most people who have heard the term more than a month ago, they will expect RSS and trackbacks, because the vastest majority of blogs are running on blogspot, blogger, typepad, wordpress, et al. I expect they far outnumber your "many blogs" that lack them. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [videoblogging] Claudio's figuring it out (was: Your oldest vlog entry)
In the modern usage (being descriptive and not prescriptive), blogness includes rss and trackback pings because they are notable features exhibited by the overwhelming majority of blogs, and lacked by most things that aren't called blogs.My blog, which certainly was/is one, didn't have RSS on it until I discovered videoblogging...never saw the point until now. I would describe blogs as Point of View websites that are updated frequently. That's just my definition: I don't really consider BoingBoing or other directory sites blogs, but I know a lot of people do, and yeah RobotWisdom was pretty much a proto-BoingBoing... - Brett Gaylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.etherworks.ca YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "videoblogging" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
