Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with the torn and dirty pages quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either. Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs. The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, but it would be better visual quality. I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film important. (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!) Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it reads in terms of the visuals...? Judy VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
Jessica: There appears to be cataloging for two versions of the movie released in the U.S. in OCLC. One has [S.l.] : Foreign Film Classics [?, 199-?, 1924] for publication/distribution information. The other has [Alamogordo, N.M.] : Silent Screen Movie Classics [199-] It alss has a note saying that Foreign Film Classics is on container. So, both are probably from the same company. There is a note in both records Restauration: C.N.C. Archives du Film. 78390 Bois d'Arcy--Film frame. They are color tinted and have a running time of 128 min. Eileen Karsten Head of Technical Services Donnelley and Lee Library Lake Forest College 555 N. Sheridan Road Lake Forest, IL 60045 kars...@lakeforest.edu _ VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a PD title. Perhaps the funniest one was a major chain that bought a ripped off version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while putting in a crappy box). On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P jsh...@ufl.edu wrote: I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with the torn and dirty pages quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either. Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs. The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, but it would be better visual quality. I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film important. (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!) Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it reads in terms of the visuals...? Judy VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
The Bois D'arcy archival restoration dates from 1986. The VHS has excellent visuals and sound (for a VHS). The NTSC copy I have came from a PD distributor. The film is indeed very long but then again how often do we get a chance to see an ensemble production such as this: Paul Poiret did the costume design, Robert Mallet-Stevens did the architectural design, PIerre Chareau was responsible for some of the furniture, Rene Lalique for some of the objects, Fernand Leger designed the sets for the laboratory sequences. Claude Autant-Lara and Alberto Cavalcanti also contributed various design elements. It's a veritable who's who of design in the gestating pre-art deco period right before the 1925 Paris exposition. The film is rather significant historically for this purpose rather than for its narrative. The credits on the restoration indicate that Darius Milhaud did the score for the film in 1925 but that it was subsequently lost and the Bois D'Arcy restoration credits its original musical score to Jean Christophe Desnoux. The producer of the 1986 restoration is La Boite a images, and director Jean Dreville was responsible for the tinting and toning in the restoration. I love this movie: it has a dining room where the eating area is on a kind of moat surrounded by a pool and Jaque Catelain tools around in a beautiful Bugatti. Art Deco heaven to be sure. Oksana At 08:45 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a PD title. Perhaps the funniest one was a major chain that bought a ripped off version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while putting in a crappy box). On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P mailto:jsh...@ufl.edujsh...@ufl.edu wrote: I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with the torn and dirty pages quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either. Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs. The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, but it would be better visual quality. I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film important. (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!) Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it reads in terms of the visuals...? Judy VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.comjessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
One suggestion I may have is to find another French film from the 1920s that fits the bill. One would be Herbier's L'Argent that's available from Masters of Cinema in England. I don't remember the fashions at all, but it stars Brigitte Helm and I am very positive they must have dressed her in the latest fashions. You don't bring in a big star and dress her in rags. And the review photos suggest this: http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519 -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
I bought the tape for my personal research from a guy near the Kino booth at Cinefest, in 1996, I think. O. At 10:36 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: I thought French films were never PD in Canada or I suppose you just mean you got it from a company releasing PD films in the US? FYI if the VHS came from 86 restoration with a new score ( or even an old one) I don't think it could ever have been PD as opposed to a bootleg of the restoration. Any idea why it is not released even in France? I know you love it and maybe I should give it another try if it plays in NYC ( which it did again recently), but the one time I tried to watch I was so bored I left, which is rare for me. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Oksana Dykyj mailto:oks...@alcor.concordia.caoks...@alcor.concordia.ca wrote: The Bois D'arcy archival restoration dates from 1986. The VHS has excellent visuals and sound (for a VHS). The NTSC copy I have came from a PD distributor. The film is indeed very long but then again how often do we get a chance to see an ensemble production such as this: Paul Poiret did the costume design, Robert Mallet-Stevens did the architectural design, PIerre Chareau was responsible for some of the furniture, Rene Lalique for some of the objects, Fernand Leger designed the sets for the laboratory sequences. Claude Autant-Lara and Alberto Cavalcanti also contributed various design elements. It's a veritable who's who of design in the gestating pre-art deco period right before the 1925 Paris exposition. The film is rather significant historically for this purpose rather than for its narrative. The credits on the restoration indicate that Darius Milhaud did the score for the film in 1925 but that it was subsequently lost and the Bois D'Arcy restoration credits its original musical score to Jean Christophe Desnoux. The producer of the 1986 restoration is La Boite a images, and director Jean Dreville was responsible for the tinting and toning in the restoration. I love this movie: it has a dining room where the eating area is on a kind of moat surrounded by a pool and Jaque Catelain tools around in a beautiful Bugatti. Art Deco heaven to be sure. Oksana At 08:45 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: Another side note, even if the VHS was produced prior to GATT (1998) taking effect, the score would almost surely be under copyright. You would be surprised how many pirates of films that might be PD then use copyrighted scores. Many years ago Kino was a decent settlement with a company that literally ripped of the Kino version of STEAMBOAT BILL JR which is indeed a PD title. Perhaps the funniest one was a major chain that bought a ripped off version of QUEEN KELLY. The even left the KINO LOGO on the DVD (while putting in a crappy box). On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:10 AM, Shoaf,Judith P mailto:jsh...@ufl.edujsh...@ufl.edu wrote: I have thought about the ins and outs of treating the item as public domain though I didn't think of section 108 because I'm just a language lab, not a library. The first 1/2 hour is in fact available online; last night I watched about 15 minutes of it and found that viewing it in a small window helps with the torn and dirty pages quality Jessica mentions; also, it has a terrific performance of the score (by Milhaud) which I presume dates from a postwar recording/performance (i.e. not PD) and really helps to juice up the strange rhythms of the film. I am not sure I could make a better digital copy from the tape, and NTSC VHS from SECAM VHS is not likely to be much good either. Apparently there was an NTSC copy in the media library, and I think that probably means it was released in the US at some point. Apparently a prof who has left UF took it with her and it is now on its way back. I will look to see whether it's a US release with English subs. The professor's 80's SECAM copy is probably the best option--I assume it is based on the restoration/orchestral performance used to make the online video, but it would be better visual quality. I think that the professor is likely to agree with Jessica about the film being boring--she told me she has never watched the whole thing but wanted to use it for the class because of the subject matter (Paris fashion in the movies). My impression is that the reason the online project only presents the first half hour (about 1/5 of the whole film, I gather) is that this is the bit that has the moderne costumes, sets, and special effects which make the film important. (The other interesting thing is the sci-fi/horror themes!) Jessica, you mentioned a recent restoration, but nobody has said anything about a DVD release. Does anyone know if it has been picked up for release? Has anyone seen the restoration--it would be interesting to know how well it reads in terms of the visuals...? Judy VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article
I agree with the researcher gary handman Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common Sense of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of Higher Education, August 21, 2011. Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use? Not rhetorical, I'm actually wondering. Thanks - Janice A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her with a clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to show the work. http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
The designer on l'Argent is not an internationally known name even though her dresses are indeed beautiful. What about Prix de Beauté (1930) where the clothing is designed by both Chanel and Patou? Oksana At 10:27 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: One suggestion I may have is to find another French film from the 1920s that fits the bill. One would be Herbier's L'Argent that's available from Masters of Cinema in England. I don't remember the fashions at all, but it stars Brigitte Helm and I am very positive they must have dressed her in the latest fashions. You don't bring in a big star and dress her in rags. And the review photos suggest this: http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519 -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: mailto:milefi...@gmail.commilefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com http://www.ontheboweryfilm.comwww.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com http://www.exilesfilm.comwww.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com http://www.killerofsheep.comwww.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: http://www.amianet.orgwww.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilmsFollow Milestone on Twitter! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects
I imagine most of you know the situation with Public Domain, Copyright laws etc, but the discussion of *L'Inhumaine* brought up a few things. Films without any copyright protection are in the Public Domain, they can be copied, transferred, shown to an audience without any clearance. Films end up in the Public Domain either because they were never registered for copyright ( NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD), they did not properly renew the copyright ( SUDDENLY) or the copyright expired ( FOUR HORSEMAN OF THE APOCALYPSE (silent version). Of course things are never that simple. There are many films that were PD, but no longer are, a small number are cases where a previously PD film is protected by another element of the film ( story, music) thus IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE is now under copyright. The FAR bigger number of previously PD films that are now under copyright are tens of thousands of films made outside the US which became covered in 1994 when the US signed the GATT treaty. I don't want to go over all the details but pretty much all those European films from the 20s through the 60s that had never been copyright protected in the US ( Bergman, Renoir, DeSica ) now are. There are many thousands of VHS copies of these films out there, some produced before GATT went into effect, many produced after. The result of GATT has been that many great films are now available in stunning versions that no distributor would have invested in had the film been PD, though it also has meant many more obscure titles that were around in VHS days are probably not coming out here any time soon. The term of copyright is now 95 years but the date does not start till 1922. Any film made in or before 1922 is PD in the US, no matter where it was made with the exception explained below of specific copies. There is one more fun bit to the above which is a special contents copyright. This means a particular VERSION of an otherwise PD film is under copyright because of unique elements added by the distributor. This is almost always silent films adding new music so that Kino, Milestone, Flicker Alley etc. copies of PD silent films are in fact under copyright. In one rather brazen case, a company got a copy of a government made film which are by law PD, but added titles to two lines of foreign dialogue, copyrighted it and sold it. I did a few searches on OCLC of titles I knew had never been legally been legally released anywhere in the world. Not surprisingly I found a number of libraries that owned obvious bootlegs. The number was not huge but it was there. The companies listed were frankly obvious pirate sellers. It is hard for me to believe that a library would think that a film made by a Hollywood studio is available nowhere else than Bob's Rare Hollywood Classics ( Yes I made that up) OR a company in Taiwan.I mention this because both SCMS and some proponents of what I will free access are very loose on the responsibility of an institution to recognize an illegal copy. I know most everyone here is careful, but that is not always the case in the academic world and claiming gee I had no idea the copy of WINGS I bought from China on eBay wasn't legal is not in my mind remotely plausible. OK back to real work. Anyone want to buy legal streaming rights on some films (must put some stuff on videonews)? -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects
What is 'SCMS'? Tyra Grant Digital and electronic media preservation officer University of Kansas Libraries tgr...@ku.edumailto:tgr...@ku.edu Phone: 785-864-8951 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:27 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects I imagine most of you know the situation with Public Domain, Copyright laws etc, but the discussion of L'Inhumaine brought up a few things. Films without any copyright protection are in the Public Domain, they can be copied, transferred, shown to an audience without any clearance. Films end up in the Public Domain either because they were never registered for copyright ( NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD), they did not properly renew the copyright ( SUDDENLY) or the copyright expired ( FOUR HORSEMAN OF THE APOCALYPSE (silent version). Of course things are never that simple. There are many films that were PD, but no longer are, a small number are cases where a previously PD film is protected by another element of the film ( story, music) thus IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE is now under copyright. The FAR bigger number of previously PD films that are now under copyright are tens of thousands of films made outside the US which became covered in 1994 when the US signed the GATT treaty. I don't want to go over all the details but pretty much all those European films from the 20s through the 60s that had never been copyright protected in the US ( Bergman, Renoir, DeSica ) now are. There are many thousands of VHS copies of these films out there, some produced before GATT went into effect, many produced after. The result of GATT has been that many great films are now available in stunning versions that no distributor would have invested in had the film been PD, though it also has meant many more obscure titles that were around in VHS days are probably not coming out here any time soon. The term of copyright is now 95 years but the date does not start till 1922. Any film made in or before 1922 is PD in the US, no matter where it was made with the exception explained below of specific copies. There is one more fun bit to the above which is a special contents copyright. This means a particular VERSION of an otherwise PD film is under copyright because of unique elements added by the distributor. This is almost always silent films adding new music so that Kino, Milestone, Flicker Alley etc. copies of PD silent films are in fact under copyright. In one rather brazen case, a company got a copy of a government made film which are by law PD, but added titles to two lines of foreign dialogue, copyrighted it and sold it. I did a few searches on OCLC of titles I knew had never been legally been legally released anywhere in the world. Not surprisingly I found a number of libraries that owned obvious bootlegs. The number was not huge but it was there. The companies listed were frankly obvious pirate sellers. It is hard for me to believe that a library would think that a film made by a Hollywood studio is available nowhere else than Bob's Rare Hollywood Classics ( Yes I made that up) OR a company in Taiwan.I mention this because both SCMS and some proponents of what I will free access are very loose on the responsibility of an institution to recognize an illegal copy. I know most everyone here is careful, but that is not always the case in the academic world and claiming gee I had no idea the copy of WINGS I bought from China on eBay wasn't legal is not in my mind remotely plausible. OK back to real work. Anyone want to buy legal streaming rights on some films (must put some stuff on videonews)? -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897tel:224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785tel:212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects
Society for Cinema Media Studies so basically film media professors. Ironically many of their wilder claims re fair use appear to be gone from their best practices document which previously claimed you could again tape anything off air and use it forever and you could get a copy from your friend of shall we say undefined origin. It is now very cleaned up. I do wonder a bit if that is for public consumption though. Dennis will undoubtedly remember when I got into a shouting match with well known academic media person (who is VERY active in various projects media access issues some related to ALA), who did indeed insist one could use anything off air and copies of films wherever you could find them. Same person who I have also referred to who told a ALA meeting that one should NOT contact the rights holder when determining the status of a work. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Grant, Tyra tgr...@ku.edu wrote: What is ‘SCMS’? ** ** Tyra Grant ** ** Digital and electronic media preservation officer University of Kansas Libraries tgr...@ku.edu Phone: 785-864-8951 ** ** *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner *Sent:* Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:27 AM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects ** ** I imagine most of you know the situation with Public Domain, Copyright laws etc, but the discussion of *L'Inhumaine* brought up a few things. Films without any copyright protection are in the Public Domain, they can be copied, transferred, shown to an audience without any clearance. Films end up in the Public Domain either because they were never registered for copyright ( NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD), they did not properly renew the copyright ( SUDDENLY) or the copyright expired ( FOUR HORSEMAN OF THE APOCALYPSE (silent version). Of course things are never that simple. There are many films that were PD, but no longer are, a small number are cases where a previously PD film is protected by another element of the film ( story, music) thus IT'S A WONDERFUL LIFE is now under copyright. The FAR bigger number of previously PD films that are now under copyright are tens of thousands of films made outside the US which became covered in 1994 when the US signed the GATT treaty. I don't want to go over all the details but pretty much all those European films from the 20s through the 60s that had never been copyright protected in the US ( Bergman, Renoir, DeSica ) now are. There are many thousands of VHS copies of these films out there, some produced before GATT went into effect, many produced after. The result of GATT has been that many great films are now available in stunning versions that no distributor would have invested in had the film been PD, though it also has meant many more obscure titles that were around in VHS days are probably not coming out here any time soon. The term of copyright is now 95 years but the date does not start till 1922. Any film made in or before 1922 is PD in the US, no matter where it was made with the exception explained below of specific copies. There is one more fun bit to the above which is a special contents copyright. This means a particular VERSION of an otherwise PD film is under copyright because of unique elements added by the distributor. This is almost always silent films adding new music so that Kino, Milestone, Flicker Alley etc. copies of PD silent films are in fact under copyright. In one rather brazen case, a company got a copy of a government made film which are by law PD, but added titles to two lines of foreign dialogue, copyrighted it and sold it. I did a few searches on OCLC of titles I knew had never been legally been legally released anywhere in the world. Not surprisingly I found a number of libraries that owned obvious bootlegs. The number was not huge but it was there. The companies listed were frankly obvious pirate sellers. It is hard for me to believe that a library would think that a film made by a Hollywood studio is available nowhere else than Bob's Rare Hollywood Classics ( Yes I made that up) OR a company in Taiwan.I mention this because both SCMS and some proponents of what I will free access are very loose on the responsibility of an institution to recognize an illegal copy. I know most everyone here is careful, but that is not always the case in the academic world and claiming gee I had no idea the copy of WINGS I bought from China on eBay wasn't legal is not in my mind remotely plausible. OK back to real work. Anyone want to buy legal streaming rights on some films (must put some stuff on videonews)? ** ** -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion
Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects
Well, actually Jessica, it's the times you did't get worked up that are so memorable ;-) However, I jest. The funny thing is that there are continuous stories of how restrictive fair use has become but since the dawn of video and now the internet, there is far greater use of copyrighted material then ever before (based on far more availability) and far greater access to quality public domain footage. So I always found Pat's argument (though I've always admired and liked her, so this is a disagreement, not a judgement on her) similar to the AFI's claim that 90% of feature silent films are lost today. It's more like 74% and even that, is something that can be ALMOST quantified and a report is coming out this September in fact. Because there is a finate number of films produced and released from 1912 to 1929 that can be compared to a list of what archives and collectors own. However, the use of film footage from the good ol' days to now could never be compared because it's incalculable. There's just no data but I suspect with Youtube and the number of illegal screenings of my films, it's much more prevalent today. But back in 1964, there was already such a long history of fair use in filmmaking (dating back to at least the early teens), that Jay Leyda wrote a book called Films Begat Films solely on films with borrowed footage. THAT said, I do agree with Jessica that many groups including the ALA, Society for Cinema Media Studies and the International Federation of Film Archives (an article stating that archives have the rights to screen their films without legal permission appeared last year) have put out statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the law allows. The fact that it's in print bothers me because Thomas Jefferson said that democracy can only exist in an educated society. (Though, see http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/transcendentalism/ideas/edhistory.html) The same with copyright. Not enough people are educated about copyright to be able to judge these statements properly. Many of these declarations are similar to cries that a library will close forever if the city budget isn't passed. In fact, in 99.9% of these cases, it's mere threats to get what the library needs. (Well maybe not in Northvale New Jersey http://northvale.bccls.org/, but I'm just picking on a neighboring town that did close it's library this year.) So, in fact, many fair use statements by organizations overstep the boundaries to get what they want. Those who follow their statements as gospel without proper knowledge can get in big trouble. -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article
so, it's okay for librarians to act as the middleman for fair use, that is, a third-party can make copies for the end-user who is actually doing the research or scholarship? On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:07 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: I agree with the researcher gary handman Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common Sense of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of Higher Education, August 21, 2011. Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use? Not rhetorical, I'm actually wondering. Thanks - Janice A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her with a clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to show the work. http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Creation of Clips
In the example below, the researcher asks the library to provide the clip. To do this, the library becomes directly involved with the research's personal Fair Use assessment. So, a few questions for the group - * Does your library provide a clip creation service? If so, does library staff create the clip or is the researcher given access to a multimedia editing station to create the clip for themself? * If library staff is creating the clip, do you require the researcher to somehow prove they've done a Fair Use assessment? Do you hang on to any documentation? At what point, if any, would you question a researcher's Fair Use assessment and reconsider providing the clip creation service? * If the researcher is given access to a multimedia editing station to create the clip themself, does the library provide a generic copyright guideline (similar to those used with photocopy machines) or is library staff more directly involved in the copyright aspects of each individual project? Thanks, Kim Stanton Head, Media Library University of North Texas kim.stan...@unt.edu P: (940) 565-4832 F: (940) 369-7396 -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 10:07 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article I agree with the researcher gary handman Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common Sense of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of Higher Education, August 21, 2011. Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use? Not rhetorical, I'm actually wondering. Thanks - Janice A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her with a clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to show the work. http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article
I don't see why not. On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 1:53 PM, jwoo j...@cca.edu wrote: so, it's okay for librarians to act as the middleman for fair use, that is, a third-party can make copies for the end-user who is actually doing the research or scholarship? On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:07 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: I agree with the researcher gary handman Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common Sense of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of Higher Education, August 21, 2011. Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use? Not rhetorical, I'm actually wondering. Thanks - Janice A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her with a clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to show the work. http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects
have put out statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the law allows Well, Denis, I was with you until the above statement. What the law allows in regard to fair use is, as you know, largely untested in the courts (and largely not precisely articulated in the law itself). I know it sounds very Berkelyish, but I've also thought about FU in terms of common sense and fairness. FU claims made in support of screening (or digitizing) whole copyrighted works without permission have always been perplexing (at least to me). While I'll go down fighting for broad interpretations and of FU (I DO think media concerns continue to bully the marketplace), I've also continued to keep in mind the original constitutional intent of the copyright law, which was to To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts. Which means that if the content providers we esteem get screwed over, there may be a hell of a lot less decent content in the future. Gary Well, actually Jessica, it's the times you did't get worked up that are so memorable ;-) However, I jest. The funny thing is that there are continuous stories of how restrictive fair use has become but since the dawn of video and now the internet, there is far greater use of copyrighted material then ever before (based on far more availability) and far greater access to quality public domain footage. So I always found Pat's argument (though I've always admired and liked her, so this is a disagreement, not a judgement on her) similar to the AFI's claim that 90% of feature silent films are lost today. It's more like 74% and even that, is something that can be ALMOST quantified and a report is coming out this September in fact. Because there is a finate number of films produced and released from 1912 to 1929 that can be compared to a list of what archives and collectors own. However, the use of film footage from the good ol' days to now could never be compared because it's incalculable. There's just no data but I suspect with Youtube and the number of illegal screenings of my films, it's much more prevalent today. But back in 1964, there was already such a long history of fair use in filmmaking (dating back to at least the early teens), that Jay Leyda wrote a book called Films Begat Films solely on films with borrowed footage. THAT said, I do agree with Jessica that many groups including the ALA, Society for Cinema Media Studies and the International Federation of Film Archives (an article stating that archives have the rights to screen their films without legal permission appeared last year) have put out statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the law allows. The fact that it's in print bothers me because Thomas Jefferson said that democracy can only exist in an educated society. (Though, see http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/transcendentalism/ideas/edhistory.html) The same with copyright. Not enough people are educated about copyright to be able to judge these statements properly. Many of these declarations are similar to cries that a library will close forever if the city budget isn't passed. In fact, in 99.9% of these cases, it's mere threats to get what the library needs. (Well maybe not in Northvale New Jersey http://northvale.bccls.org/, but I'm just picking on a neighboring town that did close it's library this year.) So, in fact, many fair use statements by organizations overstep the boundaries to get what they want. Those who follow their statements as gospel without proper knowledge can get in big trouble. -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in
Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects
have put out statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the law allows Well, Denis, I was with you until the above statement. What the law allows in regard to fair use is, as you know, largely untested in the courts (and largely not precisely articulated in the law itself). I know it sounds very Berkelyish, but I've also thought about FU in terms of common sense and fairness. FU claims made in support of screening (or digitizing) whole copyrighted works without permission have always been perplexing (at least to me). While I'll go down fighting for broad interpretations and applications of FU (I DO think media concerns continue to bully the marketplace), I've also continued to keep in mind the original constitutional intent of the copyright law, which was to To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts. Which means that if the content providers we esteem get screwed over, there may be a hell of a lot less decent content in the future. Gary Well, actually Jessica, it's the times you did't get worked up that are so memorable ;-) However, I jest. The funny thing is that there are continuous stories of how restrictive fair use has become but since the dawn of video and now the internet, there is far greater use of copyrighted material then ever before (based on far more availability) and far greater access to quality public domain footage. So I always found Pat's argument (though I've always admired and liked her, so this is a disagreement, not a judgement on her) similar to the AFI's claim that 90% of feature silent films are lost today. It's more like 74% and even that, is something that can be ALMOST quantified and a report is coming out this September in fact. Because there is a finate number of films produced and released from 1912 to 1929 that can be compared to a list of what archives and collectors own. However, the use of film footage from the good ol' days to now could never be compared because it's incalculable. There's just no data but I suspect with Youtube and the number of illegal screenings of my films, it's much more prevalent today. But back in 1964, there was already such a long history of fair use in filmmaking (dating back to at least the early teens), that Jay Leyda wrote a book called Films Begat Films solely on films with borrowed footage. THAT said, I do agree with Jessica that many groups including the ALA, Society for Cinema Media Studies and the International Federation of Film Archives (an article stating that archives have the rights to screen their films without legal permission appeared last year) have put out statements and articles extending fair use WAY past what the law allows. The fact that it's in print bothers me because Thomas Jefferson said that democracy can only exist in an educated society. (Though, see http://www.vcu.edu/engweb/transcendentalism/ideas/edhistory.html) The same with copyright. Not enough people are educated about copyright to be able to judge these statements properly. Many of these declarations are similar to cries that a library will close forever if the city budget isn't passed. In fact, in 99.9% of these cases, it's mere threats to get what the library needs. (Well maybe not in Northvale New Jersey http://northvale.bccls.org/, but I'm just picking on a neighboring town that did close it's library this year.) So, in fact, many fair use statements by organizations overstep the boundaries to get what they want. Those who follow their statements as gospel without proper knowledge can get in big trouble. -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video
Re: [Videolib] Bootleg copies, GATT , Copyright, PD and other fun subjects
Gary, I'm just saying that there have been some outlandishly over-the-top statements. And I'm willing to back it up... For example, herehttp://www.fiafnet.org/uk/members/Fair%20Use.cfm : 10) As a principle of “fair access”, FIAF affiliates declare their right to engage in the following archive-related activities, without the payment of fees to outside organizations: • exhibition on their premises • loans to other affiliates • use in their own publications and promotional activities of the motion pictures and related promotional and other historical materials in their collections. Before that, I was there right with them! Note that fair use is not an international term and that other countries are struggling with even the terminology. And of course, in real practice, FIAF archives are now even charging *each other* for the loan of prints, which for seventy years was a sacred no-no for the organizational members. -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Film on the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony
Hello all, Does anyone have a recommendation of a good film on the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony? Many thanks, Pat McGee Coordinator of Media Services Volpe Library and Media Center Tennessee Technological University Campus Box 5066 Cookeville, TN 38505 931-372-3544 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Film on the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony
Hi- This may be too elementary: http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dmovies-tvfield-keywords=puritan+experiencex=0y=0 This was a PBS American Experience, first episode is program on Puritans in Mass, as told from Native American perspective. http://www.amazon.com/We-Shall-Remain-Benjamin-Bratt/dp/B001UW59JO/ref=sr_1_9?s=movies-tvie=UTF8qid=1314129826sr=1-9 Thee's also the Scarlet letter, different versions. (avoid the Demi Moore one). Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 360 Huntington Ave. 200 SL Boston, MA 02115 617-373-4902; 617-373-5409-Fax From: Pat Mcgee pmc...@tntech.edumailto:pmc...@tntech.edu Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:40:33 -0400 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Film on the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony Hello all, Does anyone have a recommendation of a good film on the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony? Many thanks, Pat McGee Coordinator of Media Services Volpe Library and Media Center Tennessee Technological University Campus Box 5066 Cookeville, TN 38505 931-372-3544 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] fair use in CHE article
A library that offers duplication service for faculty can exercise some control over how much of the title they own is clipped and used for the stated purpose. They can also refuse to provide the service for titles brought in by the requestor if legality of the requestor's copy cannot be documented. Gail On 8/23/2011 12:53 PM, jwoo wrote: so, it's okay for librarians to act as the middleman for fair use, that is, a third-party can make copies for the end-user who is actually doing the research or scholarship? On Aug 23, 2011, at 8:07 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: I agree with the researcher gary handman Did anyone read the second paragraph of this article: The Common Sense of the Fair-Use Doctrine, by Patricia Aufderheide. Chronicle of Higher Education, August 21, 2011. Do you agree that the researcher's request falls under fair use? Not rhetorical, I'm actually wondering. Thanks - Janice A researcher asks a librarian if the librarian can provide her with a clip from a major motion picture, relevant to the researcher's presentation at the annual meeting of her academic association. When the librarian demurs, the researcher explains her fair-use right to show the work. http://chronicle.com/article/The-Common-Sense-of-the/128756 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Gail B. Fedak Director, Media Resources Middle Tennessee State University Murfreesboro, TN37132 Phone: 615-898-2899 Fax: 615-898-2530 Email: gfe...@mtsu.edu mailto:gfe...@mtsu.edu Web: www.mtsu.edu/~imr http://www.mtsu.edu/%7Eimr Education is a progressive study of your own ignorance. -- Will Durant VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] videolib Digest, Vol 45, Issue 127
There are some segments on the Puritans and the Plymouth in The Hidden History of Boston from the History Channel. This is one of the titles in American History in Video from Alexander Street Press. It's also listed on Amazon. FMG's Films on Demand has Desperate Crossing: Untold Story of the Mayflower - another History Channel title, also available on Amazon. Tho others did not like it for some inaccuracies, I like PBS' Colonial House which explores the conditions of 1600's living in a New World colony. Worth investigating . -- deg farrelly Arizona State University PO Box 871006 Tempe, Arizona 85287-1006 Phone: 480.965.1403 Email: deg.farre...@asu.edu ** Does anyone have a recommendation of a good film on the Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony? Many thanks, Pat McGee VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine
Thanks for the suggestions. I think she already thought about what to substitute (a problem because it's the first week of class) but some students were still interested in viewing L'Inhumaine, which they can do on their own using the instructor's copy. Prix de Beauté sounds perfect-that may be what she picked. I am learning a lot by helping out on this one. Judy From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Oksana Dykyj Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2011 11:12 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] L'Inhumaine The designer on l'Argent is not an internationally known name even though her dresses are indeed beautiful. What about Prix de Beauté (1930) where the clothing is designed by both Chanel and Patou? Oksana At 10:27 AM 23/08/2011, you wrote: One suggestion I may have is to find another French film from the 1920s that fits the bill. One would be Herbier's L'Argent that's available from Masters of Cinema in England. I don't remember the fashions at all, but it stars Brigitte Helm and I am very positive they must have dressed her in the latest fashions. You don't bring in a big star and dress her in rags. And the review photos suggest this: http://www.eyeforfilm.co.uk/dvd_reviews.php?film_id=15519 -- Best regards, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.commailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.comhttp://www.milestonefilms.com/ www.ontheboweryfilm.comhttp://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.comhttp://www.arayafilm.com/ www.exilesfilm.comhttp://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.comhttp://www.wordisoutmovie.com/ www.killerofsheep.comhttp://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.orghttp://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter!http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] best time of year to contact
Thanks for the info, everyone. Are you more likely to buy based upon on postcard or an email? Is it worth it for me to spend the extra time and money sending out postcards? Best, Scott Petersen On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Bergman, Barbara J barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote: Pretty much the same. During the academic year. July 1 fiscal year start. Primarily faculty requests, but I sign off on all video purchases so that I know what’s getting requested before we end up purchasing 3 films on the same hot topic. ** ** Emails good. Postcards good. Catalogs okay. If you send me info that requires opening an envelope, it goes in a box that I’ll get around to reading. Eventually. ** ** Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu ** ** VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] best time of year to contact
Print marketing ends up in the trash can. Emails I can and do send to faculty to ascertain interest. Emails should contain a thorough description (not a thesis), a link to a 3- to 5-minute preview clip, a list of versions (home, PPR, no PPR, streamed, etc.), length(s), copyright/publication date, price(s) in all their permutations, item/order #, awards, vendor's contact information, a link to each title's webpage that contains the above, plus a means of ordering or placing the item in a cart from the title's main page. The less digging around I have to do to find customer-essential information, the better. It's nice to have additional information about the producer, production process, back stories, educational resources, etc., on the website, but none of that should obstruct the purchasing process. This is probably more than you wanted, but thanks for asking. Gail Gail B. Fedak Director, Media Resources Middle Tennessee State University Murfreesboro, TN 37132 Phone 615-898-2899 Fax 615-898-2530 email gfe...@mtsu.edu Original message Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 16:18:46 -0700 From: scott petersen f...@core.com Subject: Re: [Videolib] best time of year to contact To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Thanks for the info, everyone. Are you more likely to buy based upon on postcard or an email? Is it worth it for me to spend the extra time and money sending out postcards? Best, Scott Petersen On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 9:28 AM, Bergman, Barbara J barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu wrote: Pretty much the same. During the academic year. July 1 fiscal year start. Primarily faculty requests, but I sign off on all video purchases so that I know what’s getting requested before we end up purchasing 3 films on the same hot topic. Emails good. Postcards good. Catalogs okay. If you send me info that requires opening an envelope, it goes in a box that I’ll get around to reading. Eventually. Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
