Re: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue

[Nell J Chenault]

The 13th by Ava DuVernay will be Netflix only soon.  They were the film's
sponsor.  It is also still within it's festival run ... perhaps she will
have an educational distributor later.  Just released in Sept.

Faculty here at VCU want to use in public performance, and later to show in
class.  There is no way for regular PPR at this time.

Nell Chenault
VCU Libraries

On Thu, Oct 20, 2016 at 2:28 PM, Anna Goslen <agosl...@swarthmore.edu>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I just had someone inquire about PPR for 13th. I'm guessing this is also
> not available?
>
> On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Michael May <m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us>
> wrote:
>
>> For more examples, these recent releases appear to be available in
>> streaming but not on DVD or Blu-ray in the U.S.:
>>
>> Tallulah
>> Disorder (Maryland)
>> Goat
>> The Lovers and the Despot
>>
>> Sorry if I'm overlooking or not seeing the physical discs for these. I'd
>> buy them for my public library if I could, so this is a problem for all
>> library types.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Michael May
>> Adult Services Librarian
>> Carnegie-Stout Public Library
>> 360 West 11th Street
>> Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA
>> Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244
>> Fax: 563-589-4217
>> Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us
>> Web: www.dubuque.lib.ia.us
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@lists
>> .berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Randy Pitman
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 5:51 PM
>> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> I don't have an answer but this is the subject of my next editorial. "13"
>> is one of the most high-profile Netflix titles to date and I agree with you
>> concerning doubts as to whether it will be released on DVD anytime soon.
>> "Beasts of No Nations" has yet to appear on DVD, nor has the
>> Oscar-nominated "Winter on FIre." Netflix's "Whatever Happened, Miss
>> Simone?" finally got a DVD release.
>>
>> I think we are starting to see a growing exclusives war with Netflix,
>> Amazon, and others who don't necessarily have a huge incentive in releasing
>> titles on a physical format. When we received the press release from Sony
>> for Todd Solondz's latest, "Wiener-Dog," it only mentioned a digital
>> release for this Amazon production (actually, you can buy an unannounced
>> manufacture-on-demand DVD or Blu-ray of the film from Amazon).
>>
>> And while I am personally thrilled that Turner is launching a new SVOD
>> service that will feature Criterion titles and other classics, I worry that
>> we are going to continue to see a kind of balkanization in commercial
>> streaming services similar to cable, with libraries having access problems
>> to major exclusive titles--like "13."
>>
>> I am definitely curious to hear what others think.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Randy
>>
>> Randy Pitman
>> Publisher/Editor
>> Video Librarian
>> 3435 NE Nine Boulder Dr.
>> Poulsbo, WA 98370
>> Tel: (360) 626-1259
>> Fax (360) 626-1260
>> E-mail: vid...@videolibrarian.com
>> Web: www.videolibrarian.com
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Vallier
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:38 PM
>> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>> Subject: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue
>>
>> Collective Wisdom,
>>
>> I’m trying to purchase a physical copy of, or institutional streaming
>> rights for, 13th , Ava DuVernay’s new documentary:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film)
>> It’s a Netlfix distributed film, which makes me cringe as I have my
>> doubts that it will be released on DVD or distributed to .edus. I’m hoping
>> you can tell me I am wrong.
>>
>> This issue — online only media that is unavailable to .edu institutions —
>> is one I’m encountering with greater frequency. I’m imagining some of you
>> are, too, so I thought I would send an update on an IMLS funded project
>> that colleagues and I had over the past few years. It focussed on the
>> proliferation of online-only music (i.e., streaming or download only, no
>> physical format availability) and libraries' inability to purchase such
>> content b/c of licensing agreements that allow individual use and, on the
>> flip-side, forbid institutional use. Same as the Netflix streaming only
>> releases. This article highlights our project:
&

Re: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue

[Anna Goslen]

Hi all,

I just had someone inquire about PPR for 13th. I'm guessing this is also
not available?

On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Michael May <m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us> wrote:

> For more examples, these recent releases appear to be available in
> streaming but not on DVD or Blu-ray in the U.S.:
>
> Tallulah
> Disorder (Maryland)
> Goat
> The Lovers and the Despot
>
> Sorry if I'm overlooking or not seeing the physical discs for these. I'd
> buy them for my public library if I could, so this is a problem for all
> library types.
>
> Mike
>
> Michael May
> Adult Services Librarian
> Carnegie-Stout Public Library
> 360 West 11th Street
> Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA
> Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244
> Fax: 563-589-4217
> Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us
> Web: www.dubuque.lib.ia.us
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-bounces@
> lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Randy Pitman
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 5:51 PM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue
>
> Hi John,
>
> I don't have an answer but this is the subject of my next editorial. "13"
> is one of the most high-profile Netflix titles to date and I agree with you
> concerning doubts as to whether it will be released on DVD anytime soon.
> "Beasts of No Nations" has yet to appear on DVD, nor has the
> Oscar-nominated "Winter on FIre." Netflix's "Whatever Happened, Miss
> Simone?" finally got a DVD release.
>
> I think we are starting to see a growing exclusives war with Netflix,
> Amazon, and others who don't necessarily have a huge incentive in releasing
> titles on a physical format. When we received the press release from Sony
> for Todd Solondz's latest, "Wiener-Dog," it only mentioned a digital
> release for this Amazon production (actually, you can buy an unannounced
> manufacture-on-demand DVD or Blu-ray of the film from Amazon).
>
> And while I am personally thrilled that Turner is launching a new SVOD
> service that will feature Criterion titles and other classics, I worry that
> we are going to continue to see a kind of balkanization in commercial
> streaming services similar to cable, with libraries having access problems
> to major exclusive titles--like "13."
>
> I am definitely curious to hear what others think.
>
> Best,
>
> Randy
>
> Randy Pitman
> Publisher/Editor
> Video Librarian
> 3435 NE Nine Boulder Dr.
> Poulsbo, WA 98370
> Tel: (360) 626-1259
> Fax (360) 626-1260
> E-mail: vid...@videolibrarian.com
> Web: www.videolibrarian.com
> -Original Message-
> From: John Vallier
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:38 PM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue
>
> Collective Wisdom,
>
> I’m trying to purchase a physical copy of, or institutional streaming
> rights for, 13th , Ava DuVernay’s new documentary:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film)
> It’s a Netlfix distributed film, which makes me cringe as I have my doubts
> that it will be released on DVD or distributed to .edus. I’m hoping you can
> tell me I am wrong.
>
> This issue — online only media that is unavailable to .edu institutions —
> is one I’m encountering with greater frequency. I’m imagining some of you
> are, too, so I thought I would send an update on an IMLS funded project
> that colleagues and I had over the past few years. It focussed on the
> proliferation of online-only music (i.e., streaming or download only, no
> physical format availability) and libraries' inability to purchase such
> content b/c of licensing agreements that allow individual use and, on the
> flip-side, forbid institutional use. Same as the Netflix streaming only
> releases. This article highlights our project:
> Tsou, J. & Vallier, J. "Ether Today, Gone Tomorrow: 21st Century Sound
> Recording Collection in Crisis." Notes 72.3 (2016): 461-483. Project MUSE.
> Web. 20 Sep. 2016. <https://muse.jhu.edu/article/608905>
>
> Unfortunately, we failed to find a solution, but I’m hoping some of you
> have ideas on how to address this challenge as it relates to video in
> particular.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
> ——
> JOHN VALLIER
> Head, Distributed Media Services
> Affiliate Assistant Prof, Ethnomusicology University of Washington,
> Seattle, WA 98195-2900 —
> 206-616-1210 vall...@uw.edu
> http://faculty.washington.edu/vallier
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,biblio

Re: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue

[Michael May]

For more examples, these recent releases appear to be available in streaming 
but not on DVD or Blu-ray in the U.S.:

Tallulah
Disorder (Maryland)
Goat
The Lovers and the Despot

Sorry if I'm overlooking or not seeing the physical discs for these. I'd buy 
them for my public library if I could, so this is a problem for all library 
types.

Mike

Michael May
Adult Services Librarian
Carnegie-Stout Public Library
360 West 11th Street
Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA
Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244
Fax: 563-589-4217
Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us
Web: www.dubuque.lib.ia.us


-Original Message-
From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Randy Pitman
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 5:51 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue

Hi John,

I don't have an answer but this is the subject of my next editorial. "13" is 
one of the most high-profile Netflix titles to date and I agree with you 
concerning doubts as to whether it will be released on DVD anytime soon. 
"Beasts of No Nations" has yet to appear on DVD, nor has the Oscar-nominated 
"Winter on FIre." Netflix's "Whatever Happened, Miss Simone?" finally got a DVD 
release.

I think we are starting to see a growing exclusives war with Netflix, Amazon, 
and others who don't necessarily have a huge incentive in releasing titles on a 
physical format. When we received the press release from Sony for Todd 
Solondz's latest, "Wiener-Dog," it only mentioned a digital release for this 
Amazon production (actually, you can buy an unannounced manufacture-on-demand 
DVD or Blu-ray of the film from Amazon).

And while I am personally thrilled that Turner is launching a new SVOD service 
that will feature Criterion titles and other classics, I worry that we are 
going to continue to see a kind of balkanization in commercial streaming 
services similar to cable, with libraries having access problems to major 
exclusive titles--like "13."

I am definitely curious to hear what others think.

Best,

Randy

Randy Pitman
Publisher/Editor
Video Librarian
3435 NE Nine Boulder Dr.
Poulsbo, WA 98370
Tel: (360) 626-1259
Fax (360) 626-1260
E-mail: vid...@videolibrarian.com
Web: www.videolibrarian.com
-Original Message-
From: John Vallier
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:38 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue

Collective Wisdom,

I’m trying to purchase a physical copy of, or institutional streaming rights 
for, 13th , Ava DuVernay’s new documentary: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film)
It’s a Netlfix distributed film, which makes me cringe as I have my doubts that 
it will be released on DVD or distributed to .edus. I’m hoping you can tell me 
I am wrong.

This issue — online only media that is unavailable to .edu institutions — is 
one I’m encountering with greater frequency. I’m imagining some of you are, 
too, so I thought I would send an update on an IMLS funded project that 
colleagues and I had over the past few years. It focussed on the proliferation 
of online-only music (i.e., streaming or download only, no physical format 
availability) and libraries' inability to purchase such content b/c of 
licensing agreements that allow individual use and, on the flip-side, forbid 
institutional use. Same as the Netflix streaming only releases. This article 
highlights our project:
Tsou, J. & Vallier, J. "Ether Today, Gone Tomorrow: 21st Century Sound 
Recording Collection in Crisis." Notes 72.3 (2016): 461-483. Project MUSE. 
Web. 20 Sep. 2016. <https://muse.jhu.edu/article/608905>

Unfortunately, we failed to find a solution, but I’m hoping some of you have 
ideas on how to address this challenge as it relates to video in particular.

Thanks,

John
——
JOHN VALLIER
Head, Distributed Media Services
Affiliate Assistant Prof, Ethnomusicology University of Washington, Seattle, WA 
98195-2900 —
206-616-1210 vall...@uw.edu
http://faculty.washington.edu/vallier










VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors. 


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educa

Re: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue

[Dennis Doros]

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being offered by the other sites so it will allow us to acquire more films.
Though of course, we like to release DVDs and Blu-rays so I can't promise
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On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Randy Pitman <vid...@videolibrarian.com>
wrote:

> Hi John,
>
> I don't have an answer but this is the subject of my next editorial. "13"
> is
> one of the most high-profile Netflix titles to date and I agree with you
> concerning doubts as to whether it will be released on DVD anytime soon.
> "Beasts of No Nations" has yet to appear on DVD, nor has the
> Oscar-nominated
> "Winter on FIre." Netflix's "Whatever Happened, Miss Simone?" finally got a
> DVD release.
>
> I think we are starting to see a growing exclusives war with Netflix,
> Amazon, and others who don't necessarily have a huge incentive in releasing
> titles on a physical format. When we received the press release from Sony
> for Todd Solondz's latest, "Wiener-Dog," it only mentioned a digital
> release
> for this Amazon production (actually, you can buy an unannounced
> manufacture-on-demand DVD or Blu-ray of the film from Amazon).
>
> And while I am personally thrilled that Turner is launching a new SVOD
> service that will feature Criterion titles and other classics, I worry that
> we are going to continue to see a kind of balkanization in commercial
> streaming services similar to cable, with libraries having access problems
> to major exclusive titles--like "13."
>
> I am definitely curious to hear what others think.
>
> Best,
>
> Randy
>
> Randy Pitman
> Publisher/Editor
> Video Librarian
> 3435 NE Nine Boulder Dr.
> Poulsbo, WA 98370
> Tel: (360) 626-1259
> Fax (360) 626-1260
> E-mail: vid...@videolibrarian.com
> Web: www.videolibrarian.com
> -Original Message-
> From: John Vallier
> Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:38 PM
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> Subject: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue
>
> Collective Wisdom,
>
> I’m trying to purchase a physical copy of, or institutional streaming
> rights
> for, 13th , Ava DuVernay’s new documentary:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film)
> It’s a Netlfix distributed film, which makes me cringe as I have my doubts
> that it will be released on DVD or distributed to .edus. I’m hoping you can
> tell me I am wrong.
>
> This issue — online only media that is unavailable to .edu institutions —
> is
> one I’m encountering with greater frequency. I’m imagining some of you are,
> too, so I thought I would send an update on an IMLS funded project that
> colleagues and I had over the past few years. It focussed on the
> proliferation of online-only music (i.e., streaming or download only, no
> physical format availability) and libraries' inability to purchase such
> content b/c of licensing agreements that allow individual use and, on the
> flip-side, forbid institutional use. Same as the Netflix streaming only
> releases. This article highlights our project:
> Tsou, J. & Vallier, J. "Ether Today, Gone Tomorrow: 21st Century Sound
> Recording Collection in Crisis." Notes 72.3 (2016): 461-483. Project MUSE.
> Web. 20 Sep. 2016. <https://muse.jhu.edu/article/608905>
>
> Unfortunately, we failed to find a solution, but I’m hoping some of you
> have
> ideas on how to address this challenge as it relates to video in
> particular.
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
> ——
> JOHN VALLIER
> Head, Distributed Media Services
> Affiliate Assistant Prof, Ethnomusicology
> University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-2900
> —
> 206-616-1210 vall...@uw.edu
> http://faculty.washington.edu/vallier
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries
> and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video pro

Re: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue

[Randy Pitman]

Hi John,

I don't have an answer but this is the subject of my next editorial. "13" is 
one of the most high-profile Netflix titles to date and I agree with you 
concerning doubts as to whether it will be released on DVD anytime soon. 
"Beasts of No Nations" has yet to appear on DVD, nor has the Oscar-nominated 
"Winter on FIre." Netflix's "Whatever Happened, Miss Simone?" finally got a 
DVD release.

I think we are starting to see a growing exclusives war with Netflix, 
Amazon, and others who don't necessarily have a huge incentive in releasing 
titles on a physical format. When we received the press release from Sony 
for Todd Solondz's latest, "Wiener-Dog," it only mentioned a digital release 
for this Amazon production (actually, you can buy an unannounced 
manufacture-on-demand DVD or Blu-ray of the film from Amazon).

And while I am personally thrilled that Turner is launching a new SVOD 
service that will feature Criterion titles and other classics, I worry that 
we are going to continue to see a kind of balkanization in commercial 
streaming services similar to cable, with libraries having access problems 
to major exclusive titles--like "13."

I am definitely curious to hear what others think.

Best,

Randy

Randy Pitman
Publisher/Editor
Video Librarian
3435 NE Nine Boulder Dr.
Poulsbo, WA 98370
Tel: (360) 626-1259
Fax (360) 626-1260
E-mail: vid...@videolibrarian.com
Web: www.videolibrarian.com
-Original Message- 
From: John Vallier
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2016 2:38 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] 13th and online-only issue

Collective Wisdom,

I’m trying to purchase a physical copy of, or institutional streaming rights 
for, 13th , Ava DuVernay’s new documentary: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film)
It’s a Netlfix distributed film, which makes me cringe as I have my doubts 
that it will be released on DVD or distributed to .edus. I’m hoping you can 
tell me I am wrong.

This issue — online only media that is unavailable to .edu institutions — is 
one I’m encountering with greater frequency. I’m imagining some of you are, 
too, so I thought I would send an update on an IMLS funded project that 
colleagues and I had over the past few years. It focussed on the 
proliferation of online-only music (i.e., streaming or download only, no 
physical format availability) and libraries' inability to purchase such 
content b/c of licensing agreements that allow individual use and, on the 
flip-side, forbid institutional use. Same as the Netflix streaming only 
releases. This article highlights our project:
Tsou, J. & Vallier, J. "Ether Today, Gone Tomorrow: 21st Century Sound 
Recording Collection in Crisis." Notes 72.3 (2016): 461-483. Project MUSE. 
Web. 20 Sep. 2016. <https://muse.jhu.edu/article/608905>

Unfortunately, we failed to find a solution, but I’m hoping some of you have 
ideas on how to address this challenge as it relates to video in particular.

Thanks,

John
——
JOHN VALLIER
Head, Distributed Media Services
Affiliate Assistant Prof, Ethnomusicology
University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-2900
—
206-616-1210 vall...@uw.edu
http://faculty.washington.edu/vallier










VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors. 


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] 13th and online-only issue

[John Vallier]

Collective Wisdom, 

I’m trying to purchase a physical copy of, or institutional streaming rights 
for, 13th , Ava DuVernay’s new documentary: 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/13th_(film)
It’s a Netlfix distributed film, which makes me cringe as I have my doubts that 
it will be released on DVD or distributed to .edus. I’m hoping you can tell me 
I am wrong. 

This issue — online only media that is unavailable to .edu institutions — is 
one I’m encountering with greater frequency. I’m imagining some of you are, 
too, so I thought I would send an update on an IMLS funded project that 
colleagues and I had over the past few years. It focussed on the proliferation 
of online-only music (i.e., streaming or download only, no physical format 
availability) and libraries' inability to purchase such content b/c of 
licensing agreements that allow individual use and, on the flip-side, forbid 
institutional use. Same as the Netflix streaming only releases. This article 
highlights our project:
Tsou, J. & Vallier, J. "Ether Today, Gone Tomorrow: 21st Century Sound 
Recording Collection in Crisis." Notes 72.3 (2016): 461-483. Project MUSE. Web. 
20 Sep. 2016. 

Unfortunately, we failed to find a solution, but I’m hoping some of you have 
ideas on how to address this challenge as it relates to video in particular. 

Thanks, 

John 
——
JOHN VALLIER
Head, Distributed Media Services
Affiliate Assistant Prof, Ethnomusicology 
University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-2900
—
206-616-1210 vall...@uw.edu
http://faculty.washington.edu/vallier










VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.