[VIHUELA] Re: dedillo

2007-11-01 Thread RALPH MAIER
, October 31, 2007 11:24 am Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dedillo To: Monica Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu thank you, monica. actually, i knew that ... just got a little disoriented with all these wizzing fingers. i'm sure there's a degree of subtility to be gained from

[VIHUELA] Re: dedillo

2007-10-31 Thread bill kilpatrick
PROTECTED] Cc: 'Vihuela Net' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:35 PM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dedillo thank you - my thumb over technigue doesn't exist and it's a relief to know that sig. fuenilana preferred the (to me, infinitly more natural

[VIHUELA] Re: dedillo

2007-10-30 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 05:25 AM 10/30/2007, bill kilpatrick wrote: not sure what the difference is between tremolo and dedillo... Depending, both techniques can coincide. Dedillo is striking the string with both the up and downstroke, or both the contraction and extension, of a finger. Tremolo is the rapid

[VIHUELA] Re: dedillo

2007-10-30 Thread RALPH MAIER
4:03 pm Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dedillo To: 'Vihuela Net' vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] archiving (is that a word?) problems from your address might be spam related. it happened to me once and i felt just awful about it (my italian server was to blame ...) in ralph maier's

[VIHUELA] Re: dedillo

2007-10-30 Thread Rob
PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [VIHUELA] Re: dedillo archiving (is that a word?) problems from your address might be spam related. it happened to me once and i felt just awful about it (my italian server was to blame ...) in ralph maier's excellent article there's a quote in translation from miguel de

[VIHUELA] Re: dedillo

2007-10-30 Thread Eugene C. Braig IV
At 07:00 PM 10/30/2007, Stuart Walsh wrote: Is the vihuela the only instrument that uses this technique? I don't think there is anything like it in 4 or 5 course guitar, or any kind of lute, technique. There couldn't be anything in the construction of the instrument that makes this a more

[VIHUELA] Re: dedillo

2007-10-30 Thread bill kilpatrick
in watching the videos i mentioned earlier, i find that for me - sans pick - if i expose the full face of the fingernail (index or middle) to the string (as if i were buffing it with the strings) i get a not half-bad sound. the half flesh/half nail is probably louder but i get a faster trill with

[VIHUELA] Re: dedillo

2007-10-30 Thread Nelson, Jocelyn
John, Is the Portuguese guitar you mention the 4-course like the Renaissance guitar and the uke? Jocelyn From: John Griffiths [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue 10/30/2007 8:41 PM To: vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: dedillo My two

[VIHUELA] Re: dedillo

2007-10-30 Thread John Griffiths
My two-penneth worth is that we have two main ways of learning about dedillo from contemporary practice. One is from the variety of techniques used in vihuela/guitarra-derivatives in Latin America, such as the charango and various others. The second is the Portuguese guitar that has

Re: Dedillo

2005-06-14 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Piccinini says (Cap. XXXI): Le Tirate segno dello Strascino, si faranno come ho gia deto di sopra nel Cap. XXV. e li gruppi similmente strascinati riescano assai bene, ma sono però inscipidi, e perciò a farli con un deto si come pur si è detto al Cap. IX. riescano ancor in Eccelenza nel

RE: dedillo

2005-06-12 Thread Rob MacKillop
That's right Peter. And where did I see a painting of a lute player (Mersenne?) with a plectrum tied to his index finger? Is it in the Grove entry on the lute? Rob -Original Message- From: Peter Forrester [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 12 June 2005 17:17 To: vihuela and baroque guitar

Re: dedillo

2005-06-12 Thread lute9
it's difficult for me to see the details properly but following david hockney's secret knowledge expose on the painterly use of prisms and mirrors, Hockney's expose has already been debunked, many times over. RT http://polyhymnion.org

Re: Dedillo/redobles

2005-06-09 Thread Howard Posner
bill kilpatrick wrote: is dedillo the same as redobles - fast, single line passage(s)? No. Dedillo is a way of playing passages of that sort using only the index finger, presumably in the manner of a plectrum. It's occasionally marked in vihuela sources. HP To get on or off this list see

Re: Dedillo

2005-06-09 Thread bill kilpatrick
thanks to howard, i now have a better idea of what this is. in dance music particularly, it could be an attractive way to state the melody in contrast to a rhythmic passage. - bill --- Martin Shepherd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, If I remember correctly, Piccinini (1623) used it on

RE: Dedillo

2005-06-08 Thread Dante Rosati
Hi- my theory is that dedillo was used first because it is what you do when you are used to playing with a plectrum and decide to try fingers. That way, the thumb is held against the index finger as if you are holding a pick, but then you use the index finger tip instead of the pick that could be

RE: Dedillo

2005-06-08 Thread Garry Bryan
Interesting topic! So you want to know how to play dedillo? :) If you live in the U.S., just go to a good Mexican restaurant with a good Mariachi band. I was in a local restaurant a few months ago and the duo who was serenading the patrons had stopped at our table. I observed that the one

RE: Dedillo

2005-06-08 Thread bill kilpatrick
never heard of it before - thanks a lot. just tried it - as described by dante - on the charango and it worked very nicely in conjunction with rasgueo. sort of an acoustic reverb. - bill --- Dante Rosati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi- my theory is that dedillo was used first because it

Re: Dedillo

2005-06-08 Thread Edward Martin
This is an interesting point. I have never heard anyone perform the dedillo successfully, with the exception of Ronn McFarlane, who (if my memory serves me correctly) used it on some Milan pieces in an older solo CD of his. Other than that, I know of nobody who now uses it. ed At 09:49 PM

Re: Dedillo

2005-06-08 Thread James A Stimson
Dear Ed, Rob and All: Isn't all Indian sitar playing dedillo? That is, I believe the strings are plucked exclusively with the right-hand index finger, onto which is fitted a pointed wire loop, which serves as a plectrum. (Shades of Francesco's silver thimbles!) There must be somebody out

Re: Dedillo/redobles

2005-06-08 Thread bill kilpatrick
is dedillo the same as redobles - fast, single line passage(s)? one could work up a good sized blister on the end of your finger doing this - real quick. a pick is so much better. - bill --- James A Stimson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Ed, Rob and All: Isn't all Indian sitar