Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread Les Kriegler
Hi Mario,

I would suggest checking either tonight or tomorrow. They are good at getting 
their files up pretty quickly lately. I know the last podcast they did was up 
by Tuesday night. Hopefully this one will be as well.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 hi jonathan.
 yes the file is not yet available for download.
 maybe over the weekend.
 thanks.
 Em 23/09/2014 17:26, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
 Hi Mario. I don't think they've made the archive available yet. It should be 
 up on http://accessibleworld.org before the end of the week I think.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 23/09/2014, at 8:42 pm, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 hi jonathan.
 I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but can not 
 find.
 can you send me the link?
 thanks jonathan.
 cheers.
 Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
 Hi everyone,
 on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek Talk 
 presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 8. I'll 
 discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate their use, as 
 well as look at the high number of significant bugs in iOS 8 and their 
 implications.
 There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own experiences with 
 iOS 8 and ask   questions.
 If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be made 
 available after the event.
 You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org and navigate to the Pat Price Tek 
 Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the conference 
 room by choosing this link.
 I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an informative 
 discussion afterwards.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
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Re: Alex, where are you?

2014-09-23 Thread Teresa Cochran
I'm curious how he compares on the Mac and on the iThings. Have you heard him 
on the Mac? Is he different on a mobile device than on the Mac?

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I think he sounds quite bad actually. At slow speed it’s OK, but personally I 
 don’t like it and find the original female high quality voice much clearer.
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:35 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Alex, where are you?
  
 I have a somewhat related question: how does Alex sound on the iThingies 
 compared to his quality on the Mac? Does he not sound quite as good in iOS8?
  
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
 the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Paul,
  
 First of all, Alex only works on devices with a 64 bit processor which as for 
 old phones is only the 5S. Neither the 5 nor even the 5C has a 64 bit 
 processor. For the iPad family last year’s iPad Air and iPad Mini Retina 2 
 are the only devices which support Alex and no current iPod Touch supports 
 him.
 Of course the new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus do also have a 64 bit processor, the 
 A8, one generation ahead from the A7 which is in the 5S, ipad Air and iPad 
 Mini Retina.
  
 If you have one of these devices, you will find the option to download Alex 
 in Settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Speech. Double tap on Default 
 Dialect and here you will find Alex or, if you want the default voice to be 
 the current high quality female voice, just add a language, select English US 
 and then download Alex by double tapping on the More button to the right of 
 the US English voice. This will allow you to turn the rotor to languages and 
 flick back and forth between the current high quality voice and Alex. I 
 recommend this because while opinions vary hugely when it comes to TTS 
 voices, I don’t think very much of Alex on the iPhone, I find the voice 
 sounds muffled and a lot less clear than the old high quality female voice 
 especially at slightly higher speech rates.
 If you end up liking Alex better but still want access to the female HQ 
 voice, just select Alex in the default dialect and select the female HQ voice 
 for the US English option.
 Also note that once you downloaded Alex you either have to turn Voiceover off 
 and back on for him to work or just reboot your phone.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Paul Ferrara
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:45 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Alex, where are you?
  
 It seems that everything I’ve read about locating Alex and downloading him to 
 my phone has not worked, or it is a case of extreme operator error; will 
 someone who has done this please explain how to get Alex and how to select 
 him as the default voice?
  
 One family phone has IOS8; the other will get it tonight using iTunes, is it 
 right that Alex, himself, must be downloaded through the phone and that 
 iTunes will not provide a way to do this?
  
 Paul
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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread mário navarro


hi friend.
thanks for the tip .

thanks.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 18:04, Les Kriegler escreveu:

Hi Mario,

I would suggest checking either tonight or tomorrow. They are good at 
getting their files up pretty quickly lately. I know the last podcast 
they did was up by Tuesday night. Hopefully this one will be as well.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com 
mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:




hi jonathan.
yes the file is not yet available for download.
maybe over the weekend.
thanks.
Em 23/09/2014 17:26, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
Hi Mario. I don't think they've made the archive available yet. It 
should be up on http://accessibleworld.org before the end of the 
week I think.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org

On 23/09/2014, at 8:42 pm, mário navarro mario@gmail.com 
mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:



hi jonathan.
I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but 
can not find.

can you send me the link?
thanks jonathan.
cheers.
Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:

Hi everyone,
on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a 
Tek Talk presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about 
iOS 8. I'll discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and 
demonstrate their use, as well as look at the high number of 
significant bugs in iOS 8 and their implications.
There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own 
experiences with iOS 8 and ask questions.
If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will 
be made available after the event.
You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org 
http://accessibleworld.org/ and navigate to the Pat Price Tek 
Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the 
conference room by choosing this link 
http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2.
I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an 
informative discussion afterwards.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/

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Updating Apps

2014-09-23 Thread Dulce Weisenborn
I have a 4s iPhone and am sticking to IOS7 for the moment.  Is
it safe to update existing apps while still using my present operating
system?

 

Dulce

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Re: Updating Apps

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard
Yes, it is.

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  Subject: Updating Apps


  I have a 4s iPhone and am sticking to IOS7 for the moment.  Is it 
safe to update existing apps while still using my present operating system?

   

  Dulce


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Re: viewing text messages in the lock screen

2014-09-23 Thread RobH.
Ok I checked this in ios8, though it is the same on the iOs7 on theo ther 
phone.

settings/notifications;
Find message, it says badges, osunds, banners.
double-tap it to set it's options, keep flicking right, you will get to the 
bit about show on lock screen, mine is and has always been,...   On!

- Original Message - 
From: Jed Barton jedbar...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: viewing text messages in the lock screen


hmmm, so how do you set it up so they appear on the lock screen.
i've enver seen one there, when i hit the home button, then swipe, there
has never been a text message there.

On 9/23/2014 4:17 AM, RobH. wrote:
 Settings/notifications,  you probably need it on alerts so that you need 
 to
 tap it to go away or something.  My text messages have always appeared on
 the lock screen, so not had to fiddle with these yet.  Only other things.
 - Original Message -
 From: Jed Barton jedbar...@gmail.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:12 AM
 Subject: viewing text messages in the lock screen


 Hey guys,
 I thought i saw some place, you can read a text message in the lock
 screen?  Any idea how to do this?


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Re: Hand Writing

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard
You used the handwriting feature to search for apps??  And, also, I'm not 
sure what you mean by It's crashing from the home screen.


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It is crashing for me on the home screen. I used to use it a lot for
locating apps.

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RE: Recommendations for Text Editor Replacement for AccessNote

2014-09-23 Thread Petty, Richard
No answer from AFB as of now. I made the request yesterday morning.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:02 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Recommendations for Text Editor Replacement for AccessNote

Hi Richard,

I don't have a recommendation, but have you contacted AccessNote support to ask 
when an iOS 8 update is coming? There are lots of them every day and for all 
you know they maybe already submitted one to Apple for review.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Petty, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Recommendations for Text Editor Replacement for AccessNote

All,

Right now it appears AFB's AccessNotedidn't make the upgrade to IOS 8. Some of 
the viewing area appears to be cut off.

This leaves me pretty desparate for a text editor for IOS 8. I use an editor 
especially for reviewing notes when making presentations, so would like an 
editor that can display large areas of text, perhaps by hiding the keyboard or, 
like AccessNote, with a review only mode.

I would very much appreciate any recommendations, especially if anyone has used 
the app in IOS 8.

Thanks so much.

Richard Petty

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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
Stupid question but how do I add the feed for the podcasts on this
site to downcash? That is, what earl do I use? I tried accessible.org
and it didn't work.

On 9/23/14, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

 hi friend.
 thanks for the tip .

 thanks.
 cheers.
 Em 23/09/2014 18:04, Les Kriegler escreveu:
 Hi Mario,

 I would suggest checking either tonight or tomorrow. They are good at
 getting their files up pretty quickly lately. I know the last podcast
 they did was up by Tuesday night. Hopefully this one will be as well.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:


 hi jonathan.
 yes the file is not yet available for download.
 maybe over the weekend.
 thanks.
 Em 23/09/2014 17:26, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
 Hi Mario. I don't think they've made the archive available yet. It
 should be up on http://accessibleworld.org before the end of the
 week I think.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

 On 23/09/2014, at 8:42 pm, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:


 hi jonathan.
 I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but
 can not find.
 can you send me the link?
 thanks jonathan.
 cheers.
 Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
 Hi everyone,
 on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a
 Tek Talk presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about
 iOS 8. I'll discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and
 demonstrate their use, as well as look at the high number of
 significant bugs in iOS 8 and their implications.
 There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own
 experiences with iOS 8 and ask questions.
 If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will
 be made available after the event.
 You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org
 http://accessibleworld.org/ and navigate to the Pat Price Tek
 Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the
 conference room by choosing this link
 http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2.
 I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an
 informative discussion afterwards.
 Jonathan Mosen
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Re: question how to remove albums from the music app on my eye phone 4s in order to make space to update the phone?

2014-09-23 Thread Davy Cuppens
Sieghard 

Great, this was the eventual solution!
Best regards from Belgium.
Davy 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: question how to remove albums from the music app on my eye phone 
4s in order to make space to update the phone?

Hi Davy,

 

Are you sure the music you try to delete using the flick down is actually on 
your device? I assume it might be music in your iCloud account which is music 
you purchased but which is not downloaded to your device. I suggest you try and 
go to Settings, iTunes and App Store and hide music and videos which are in the 
cloud, this way you only see what is actually downloaded to you rdevice and you 
should be able to delete that without problems.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Davy Cuppens
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: question how to remove albums from the music app on my eye phone 
4s in order to make space to update the phone?

 

Sieghard 

 

The weired thing with my iPhone 5s is that for most music on it, the rotor 
action delete doesn’st even work at all.

And for some other music it works fine like you explain it here.

Regards

Davy 

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel 

Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:40 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: question how to remove albums from the music app on my eye phone 
4s in order to make space to update the phone?

 

Hi Mich,

 

In iOS 7 you dcan only delete single songs by swiping down on the song and then 
double tapping when you hear “Delete”. This is the action rotor in action so to 
speak, it works just like deleting emails. Unfortunately you can’t do this for 
entire albums or artists. It’s possible again to do this in iOS 8, but in iOS 7 
you have to do this song by song. Once you delete all songs from an album it 
will go away.

 

How did you get this music onto your phone in the first place? Did you buy and 
download all these songs from iTunes and directly to you rphone or did you sync 
this music to your phone using iTunes? If you used iTunes then it’;s much 
easier to remove it the same way, just uncheck the music you want to remove and 
sync.

 

I assume you have read lots about iOS 8 and the issues people are having. There 
are also several Podcasts on Applevis and Jonathan did an 
interview/demonstration on the accessible world tech talk last night. If I were 
you I’d think twice about upgrading on a 4s right now, you might be better off 
waiting for iOS 8.0.1 which is probably only a couple of weeks away to see if 
some of the more nasty Voiceover bugs will be fixed.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mich Verrier
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: question how to remove albums from the music app on my eye phone 4s in 
order to make space to update the phone?

 

hi all. i need to remove some things to make space to install ios8 on my eye 
phone 4s. i am wondering how to remove the albums from my phone under the music 
app? i have tryed dubble tapping and holding and going in to the eddit field 
but don't see a deleate option there. can some one please tel me how to do 
this? many thanks. from Mich. 

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Re: Hand Writing

2014-09-23 Thread Teresa Cochran
Yes, you can set the rotor to handwriting and then write the first few letters 
of an app name and it'll display it. This is done from the home screen, so 
that's why it might be crashing there instead of someplace else. I've also used 
it to enter my passcode, though I'm not so great with handwriting. I ended up 
taking it out of my rotor, since I just don't click with it, but it seems like 
quite a useful utility for lots of folks.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 10:48 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 You used the handwriting feature to search for apps??  And, also, I'm not 
 sure what you mean by It's crashing from the home screen.
 
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 you! really! are! finished!
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:18 AM
 Subject: RE: Hand Writing
 
 
 It is crashing for me on the home screen. I used to use it a lot for
 locating apps.
 
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 live a hundred years smothered by a lie.--Lena Haloway
 
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RE: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

2014-09-23 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
You are an international treasure!

Worked like a charm.

Many thanks again and again.

Keith

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 12:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

Hi Keith,

You are talking about iTunes on the computer, correct? Yes, unfortunately the 
Help/About screen is not accessible. However, Jaws has a neat hot key for 
checking the version of any program you are running.
It is Jaws Key+Control+V (V as in Version).
Do it once and it's read out, do it twice quickly and you get the information 
in the virtual viewer where you can review it which can be useful in the case 
of a long version number or if you want to copy it and paste it elsewhere.
The most current Windows version of iTunes is 11.4.0.18.


Regards,
Sieghard


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Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 7:30 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Subject: RE: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

Hi Sieghard,

I just updated itunes tonight. I'm pretty sure it was successful, but I want to 
confirm.

When I go to Help About I get a screen that says About iTunes, but I can't get 
JAWS to read anything.

Any pointers on confirming what version  of iTunes I'm actually running?

Thanks in advance. Keith

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Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 9:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

Hi Charles,

Have you updated iTunes to the latest version? I used to get this, but not any 
more.


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Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 6:35 PM
To: visually impaired phone group
Subject: transferring from iPhone to iTunes library

When trying to do a full encrypted backup of my iPhone 5 using iOS8, I get a 
message saying that there are purchases on my iPhone that have not been 
transferred to my iTunes library.  I hit the space bar on yes when asked if I 
want to transfer these items before backing up, and get the tone that indicates 
that the process has finished.  I try to back up again and get the same 
message.  Any thoughts?

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knfb first impressions thread crashing my system

2014-09-23 Thread Larry Lumpkin
Anyone else having this trouble?

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Re: New member

2014-09-23 Thread Alan Paganelli

It is.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.


Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!


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I soon will be getting a I phone and know not much is this a list
where I may get help when I need it?
Thanks Donna

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Re: Updating Apps

2014-09-23 Thread RobH.
Remember, some of the updates might be made to be compatible with the lext 
level iOs,  though a bit soon for it, but it happens.  I was happy to stop 
on 6.1.something when mBraille went up to 7.0 specific and had to update to 
use it.  Ditto a bus App I have to use.

So while the apps work, might be ani dea to leave those alone too.

Rh.
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Subject: Updating Apps


I have a 4s iPhone and am sticking to IOS7 for the moment.  Is
it safe to update existing apps while still using my present operating
system?



Dulce

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Re: email bug?

2014-09-23 Thread Richard Turner
Sieghard,
You are lucky. I'm getting this about half the time. I've started flicking left 
and right after touching the delete button before double tapping to make sure 
focus is where it needs to be.
Richard


Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:51 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Regina,
 
 This has been reported by quite a few people although I totally don't
 experience this ever on my 5S.
 
 
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 Of Regina Alvarado
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:16 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: email bug?
 
 Has anyone run into this? When going through mail on my 6 I tap delete.
 Immediately it says reply. I touch cancel on the left then go back to delete
 which when tapped now works. Does this need accessibility as a bug?
 
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
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Strange Question of the Day: Is There A Gestve for Toggling QkNav?

2014-09-23 Thread Teresa Cochran
Hi, All,
There's a method to my madness. I notice that with the current glitches in 
Bluetooth keyboard usage in iOS8, QkNav has to be turned off and on. The 
Braille command doesn't work, but my Bluetooth keyboard does. Now, suppose it 
isn't handy? I do notice that even on-screen text entry is affected by the 
QkNav setting in Voiceover, which is why I have this curious question.

Thanks,
Teresa

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how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard
When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using iOS8, I 
see that home is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the app switcher, 
it shows that home is running, but I cannot close it.  Any thoughts from some 
knowledgeable soul, or, the person in which it dwells??

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Re: Strange Question of the Day: Is There A Gesture for Toggling QkNav?

2014-09-23 Thread Teresa Cochran
Just changing the subject to correct my typo. Or Braillo, as it were. :)

Teresa

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 On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, All,
 There's a method to my madness. I notice that with the current glitches in 
 Bluetooth keyboard usage in iOS8, QkNav has to be turned off and on. The 
 Braille command doesn't work, but my Bluetooth keyboard does. Now, suppose it 
 isn't handy? I do notice that even on-screen text entry is affected by the 
 QkNav setting in Voiceover, which is why I have this curious question.
 
 Thanks,
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bluetooth braille display input on iOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread Richard Turner
I have not seen this mentioned yet.
With a bluetooth braille display, in my case the Braille Edge, I cannot hit 
enter immediately after a punctuation mark. I have to put in a space then enter 
works.
Anyone else seeing this?
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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

2014-09-23 Thread Teresa Cochran
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but while you'd use a lot less battery 
if it wasn't runoing, you wouldn't be able to use your home screen, even if you 
could close it. :) That is simply your home screen in the app switcher.

Teresa

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 On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using iOS8, 
 I see that home is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the app 
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 thoughts from some knowledgeable soul, or, the person  in which it dwells??
 
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Re: Alex, where are you?

2014-09-23 Thread christopher hallsworth
To me Alex sounds the same on both a Macbook Pro and iPad Mini. Comments 
suggest he sounds distorted on an iPhone though.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 23 Sep 2014, at 18:13, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

 I'm curious how he compares on the Mac and on the iThings. Have you heard him 
 on the Mac? Is he different on a mobile device than on the Mac?
 
 Teresa
 
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 the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I think he sounds quite bad actually. At slow speed it's OK, but personally 
 I don't like it and find the original female high quality voice much clearer.
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 9:35 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Alex, where are you?
  
 I have a somewhat related question: how does Alex sound on the iThingies 
 compared to his quality on the Mac? Does he not sound quite as good in iOS8?
  
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing 
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 8:59 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Paul,
  
 First of all, Alex only works on devices with a 64 bit processor which as 
 for old phones is only the 5S. Neither the 5 nor even the 5C has a 64 bit 
 processor. For the iPad family last year's iPad Air and iPad Mini Retina 2 
 are the only devices which support Alex and no current iPod Touch supports 
 him.
 Of course the new iPhone 6 and 6 Plus do also have a 64 bit processor, the 
 A8, one generation ahead from the A7 which is in the 5S, ipad Air and iPad 
 Mini Retina.
  
 If you have one of these devices, you will find the option to download Alex 
 in Settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Speech. Double tap on 
 Default Dialect and here you will find Alex or, if you want the default 
 voice to be the current high quality female voice, just add a language, 
 select English US and then download Alex by double tapping on the More 
 button to the right of the US English voice. This will allow you to turn the 
 rotor to languages and flick back and forth between the current high quality 
 voice and Alex. I recommend this because while opinions vary hugely when it 
 comes to TTS voices, I don't think very much of Alex on the iPhone, I find 
 the voice sounds muffled and a lot less clear than the old high quality 
 female voice especially at slightly higher speech rates.
 If you end up liking Alex better but still want access to the female HQ 
 voice, just select Alex in the default dialect and select the female HQ 
 voice for the US English option.
 Also note that once you downloaded Alex you either have to turn Voiceover 
 off and back on for him to work or just reboot your phone.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Paul Ferrara
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:45 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Alex, where are you?
  
 It seems that everything I've read about locating Alex and downloading him 
 to my phone has not worked, or it is a case of extreme operator error; will 
 someone who has done this please explain how to get Alex and how to select 
 him as the default voice?
  
 One family phone has IOS8; the other will get it tonight using iTunes, is it 
 right that Alex, himself, must be downloaded through the phone and that 
 iTunes will not provide a way to do this?
  
 Paul
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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread mário navarro


hi john.
I think:
the site has no feeds.
you can not subscribe to podcasts on this site.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 19:04, John Diakogeorgiou escreveu:

Stupid question but how do I add the feed for the podcasts on this
site to downcash? That is, what earl do I use? I tried accessible.org
and it didn't work.

On 9/23/14, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

hi friend.
thanks for the tip .

thanks.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 18:04, Les Kriegler escreveu:

Hi Mario,

I would suggest checking either tonight or tomorrow. They are good at
getting their files up pretty quickly lately. I know the last podcast
they did was up by Tuesday night. Hopefully this one will be as well.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi jonathan.
yes the file is not yet available for download.
maybe over the weekend.
thanks.
Em 23/09/2014 17:26, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:

Hi Mario. I don't think they've made the archive available yet. It
should be up on http://accessibleworld.org before the end of the
week I think.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 23/09/2014, at 8:42 pm, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi jonathan.
I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but
can not find.
can you send me the link?
thanks jonathan.
cheers.
Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:

Hi everyone,
on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a
Tek Talk presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about
iOS 8. I'll discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and
demonstrate their use, as well as look at the high number of
significant bugs in iOS 8 and their implications.
There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own
experiences with iOS 8 and ask questions.
If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will
be made available after the event.
You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org
http://accessibleworld.org/ and navigate to the Pat Price Tek
Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the
conference room by choosing this link
http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2.
I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an
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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

2014-09-23 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I wouldn't worry about that. The reason being that what this is
telling you is that you are probably not using any other apps much. It
isn't telling you that home is draining your battery. Besides, I don't
think you can turn this off.

On 9/23/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but while you'd use a lot less
 battery if it wasn't runoing, you wouldn't be able to use your home screen,
 even if you could close it. :) That is simply your home screen in the app
 switcher.

 Teresa

 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:

 When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using
 iOS8, I see that home is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the
 app switcher, it shows that home is running, but I cannot close it.  Any
 thoughts from some knowledgeable soul, or, the person  in which it
 dwells??

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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
That's unfortunate. Hopefully you are wrong but I doubt it.

On 9/23/14, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

 hi john.
 I think:
 the site has no feeds.
 you can not subscribe to podcasts on this site.
 cheers.
 Em 23/09/2014 19:04, John Diakogeorgiou escreveu:
 Stupid question but how do I add the feed for the podcasts on this
 site to downcash? That is, what earl do I use? I tried accessible.org
 and it didn't work.

 On 9/23/14, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 hi friend.
 thanks for the tip .

 thanks.
 cheers.
 Em 23/09/2014 18:04, Les Kriegler escreveu:
 Hi Mario,

 I would suggest checking either tonight or tomorrow. They are good at
 getting their files up pretty quickly lately. I know the last podcast
 they did was up by Tuesday night. Hopefully this one will be as well.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:

 hi jonathan.
 yes the file is not yet available for download.
 maybe over the weekend.
 thanks.
 Em 23/09/2014 17:26, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
 Hi Mario. I don't think they've made the archive available yet. It
 should be up on http://accessibleworld.org before the end of the
 week I think.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org

 On 23/09/2014, at 8:42 pm, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:


 hi jonathan.
 I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but
 can not find.
 can you send me the link?
 thanks jonathan.
 cheers.
 Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
 Hi everyone,
 on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a
 Tek Talk presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about
 iOS 8. I'll discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and
 demonstrate their use, as well as look at the high number of
 significant bugs in iOS 8 and their implications.
 There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own
 experiences with iOS 8 and ask questions.
 If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will
 be made available after the event.
 You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org
 http://accessibleworld.org/ and navigate to the Pat Price Tek
 Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the
 conference room by choosing this link
 http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2.
 I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an
 informative discussion afterwards.
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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

2014-09-23 Thread MamaPeach
That is your home screen, if you were able to close it, which you are not, what 
would you have? Nothing. It is necessary for the home to run, it is just like 
your desktop of your computer.

From: Charles Rivard 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:29 PM
To: visually impaired phone group 
Subject: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using iOS8, I 
see that home is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the app switcher, 
it shows that home is running, but I cannot close it.  Any thoughts from some 
knowledgeable soul, or, the person in which it dwells??

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Re: Good news on the Feeddler front!

2014-09-23 Thread mário navarro

hi.
this app is free or payd.
I can not find in the App store.
thanks.

Em 22/09/2014 22:36, Traci Duncan escreveu:

Hi all,

I was curious about the upcoming Feeddler, so I emailed the developer.  He said 
it will be accessible with VoiceOver!  :)

My other question for him was can we add articles to Safari's reading list, he 
said yes, in fact, we can add them without even opening the article.

I'm excited about the release.  I was having a hard time finding an alternative 
app for the old reader.

Traci



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Re: iPhone and blue tooth keyboard

2014-09-23 Thread christopher hallsworth
If you are on iOS 8 then there are glitches using it with bluetooth keyboards.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 22 Sep 2014, at 21:44, Kerri kootenaycr...@shaw.ca wrote:

 Hi, all, I joined yesterday so please excuse me if this has bee done already.
 
 I have an issue with my iPhone 5S and Apple bluetooth keyboard. When I am 
 writing in the body of an email, voiceover stops then restarts itself and I 
 lose the last sentence I typed. I disabled voiceOver and this glitch does not 
 occur. Thanks for any help in this issue.
 
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FeeddlerRSS?

2014-09-23 Thread RobH.
Hi,

Can someone explain this app please.
All I found was around 5 links requiring login accounts.


Can anyone suggest a generic RSS reader that does Not require that?

Thanks, RobH.

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RE: alex

2014-09-23 Thread Rick Alfaro
One thing that is driving me nuts with Alex is the fact that if he sees a
dollar sign, he insists on saying currency symbol instead of saying
dollars.  As a result, a price of say twelve dollars is spoken as currency
symbol 12 which is really annoying.

If anyone has a fix for this I'm all ears.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Devin Prater
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: alex

He doesn't sound as good as he does on the Mac. 

Sent from my iPod 5

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primary email:
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facebook/iMessage:
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 On Sep 19, 2014, at 14:12, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex on both my 5s and iPad Air.  For an 869 meg download
I was expecting to be wowed.  I can't in all honesty say that this was the
case.  He just doesn't sound as natural as the hype said he would.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:38 PM
 Subject: Re: alex
 
 
 What iDevice do you have? Alex, even though it sucks, runs only on 64bit
processors. They should've made it for other devices too like it sounded
like they were going to do in the first place.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com
wrote:
 
 I have and it is not there
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
 Of Jim Ruby
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:03 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: alex
 
 Go to settings/ general/ accessability/ voice over/ speech/
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
 Of Corey Michael Cook
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:50 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: alex
 
 How do you get alex?
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: email bug?

2014-09-23 Thread Kerri
Yes, I have encountered this bug.
Kerri
kootenaycr...@shaw.ca





On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com wrote:

 Has anyone run into this? When going through mail on my 6 I tap delete. 
 Immediately it says reply. I touch cancel on the left then go back to delete 
 which when tapped now works. Does this need accessibility as a bug?
 
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
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Re: It is still possible to downgrade to iOS 7.1.2 as of today (Sunday, September 21)

2014-09-23 Thread Feliciano G
I attempted to do this on a iphone4s. Didn't know what to do after I got the 
result after typing in the whole serial number. I activated the link but didn't 
find a IPSW  download. Help? theblindman...@gmail.com 


  Regards, Feliciano



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Sent from the Super-iPhone

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:50 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hello Listers,
  
 Since a few people asked about downgrading, I thought I test it out since I 
 already had the iOS 7.1.2 file downloaded from when I was Beta testing iOS 8. 
 I wanted to be prepared to downgrade in case it was necessary. Since I was 
 also contemplating doing a new install of iOS 8 (mine has been just updated 
 repeatedly all the way back from Beta 1 in June) I thought why not see if 
 downgrading to iOS 7.1.2 still works before I upgrade to iOS 8.
  
 So, I connected my phone, did a sync and an encrypted backup and then went to 
 the Restore button in the device section and pressed Shift+Enter (I am using 
 a Windows 7 laptop). I browsed to where I saved the IPSW file (Apple Software 
 Update File) and selected it. I was told my phone would be restored to 
 version 7.1.2, it then went through the steps and 10 minutes later I was done 
 and iOS 7.1.2 was back on my device. I turned Voiceover with a triple click 
 of the home button, went through the initial setup screens and I am now 
 sitting here with a factory restored iOS 7.1.2 installation on my phone.
  
 I thought I mention this for anybody who might be just too unhappy with the 
 bugs in iOS 8 and prefers the familiar. It is now Sunday, September 21 at 
 1:30 PM Pacific time so about 4 days after the public release of iOS 8 (100 
 hours to be exact) and it appears that Apple is still allowing downgrading. I 
 can’t say if this will still work tomorrow and, if it does, whether it will 
 still work on Tuessday and so on. I am now going to upgrade back to iOS 8 
 since while I don’t like some of the bugs I do at the same time like some of 
 the new features and the latter outweighs the prior. I will not try to 
 downgrade again in a few days just to see if it works, it’s up to everybody 
 to decide and do what they feel they must.
  
 If you do want to go back to iOS 7.1.2, you can download the software from 
 www.IPSWDownloader.com. There are 3 combo boxes where you select your device, 
 your device model and the firmware. Make sure you know exactly which model of 
 iPhone or iPad or whatever you have since you will need to know. I have a GSM 
 iPhone 5S which is version A1533, but if you are on Sprint or Verizon it 
 might be a different model, I am not exactly sure which carrier uses which 
 model in the States as I am in Canada. I am pretty sure that an ATT iPhone 
 5S is also model A1533. You can find out either by getting somebody to look 
 at the baclk of yourt device, the model number is engraved there. If you want 
 to find out by yourself go to Settings, General and About. Note down the last 
 3 or 4 digits/characters of your phone’s serial number. Now go to 
 http://www.everymac.com/ultimate-mac-lookup and type the last 3 characters of 
 the serial number in the edit field, then find the results and the model 
 number will be listed there. If it doesn’t work with 3 characters try it with 
 4. The model numbers all start with a letter followed by 4 numbers, e.g. 
 A1533.
  
 Once you have located the correct IPSW file to download, save it do your 
 Downloads folder or wherever you can find it again. When the download is done 
 (iOS 7.1.2 is almost 1.5 Gb) you have to extract it by right clicking on it 
 and select “Extract All”. In the folder which will show up you will find the 
 actual IPSW file which is called as follows:
  
 iPhone6,1_7.1.2_11D257_Restore.IPSW
  
 You won’t of course see the extension since most likely you will have “Hide 
 extensions for known file types” set to On.
  
 Anyhow, now connect your phone to iTunes, go to Restore and press Shift+Enter 
 on it. In the open dialogue, browse to the IPSW file and open it, from there 
 everything will proceed as normal.
  
 If you have done a backup under iOS 8 I can’t guaranty that it will restore 
 perfectly, I would probably recommend to set up as a new phone and start from 
 scratch,.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
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knfb reader doing something very strange on my windows computer

2014-09-23 Thread Paul and Paula Jordan
Hi, all.  I get my ViPhone email on my PC running windows 7.  I'm now
noticing that the thread that has to do with KNFB reader first impressions
won't open.  I get the error that the program is not responding and have to
alt f 4 out of there and re-launch outlook.  What's up with that?  I hope
nothing's really important in this thread, because I'm just deleting each
message as it shows up. 

God bless!

Paula and Babe

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Re: FeeddlerRSS?

2014-09-23 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Look for Shrook.
On 23 Sep 2014, at 20:28, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 Can someone explain this app please.
 All I found was around 5 links requiring login accounts.
 
 
 Can anyone suggest a generic RSS reader that does Not require that?
 
 Thanks, RobH.
 
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Re: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

2014-09-23 Thread christopher hallsworth
Tell me about it! I'm just glancing at them but just deal with them personally. 
I love iOS 8!

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 23 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:

 Isn't it strange how when a new Ios comes out we always focus on the negative 
 stuff about it? It makes me wonder how many posts there are about the Ios 
 features compared to how many posts complaining about the bugs?
 /Krister
 
 23 sep 2014 kl. 03:50 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:
 
 Hi Pablo,
  
 There are also at least 2 or 3 Podcasts on Applevis which are about iOS 8 
 accessibility and iOS 8 bugs. If you have a Podcast client I highly 
 recommend you subscribe to the Applevis podcast, you can set it to not 
 download any Podcasts, but this way you get to see what they release and you 
 can either stream or download any podcasts  you want to listen to.
  
 Furthermore, Jonathan Mosen has just finished a presentation on the 
 Accessible World Tech Talk. I have pasted his email letting the list know 
 about it below so you can go and listen to a recording of his presentation. 
 Anyhow, in short, iOS 8 has some neat new features and some even neater new 
 bugs. Knowing your reaction after iOS 6 and iOS 7 came out, I think your 
 decision to stay with iOS 7.1.2 is a good one. Wait until iOS 8.0.1 comes 
 out and see what fixes are reported on the Viphone list and on Applevis and 
 then you can see if you want to upgrade or wait a bit longer for more fixes 
 to happen. Anyhow, here is Jonathan's message:
  
 Hi everyone,
 on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek Talk 
 presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 8. I'll 
 discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate their use, as well 
 as look at the high number of significant bugs in iOS 8 and their 
 implications.
 There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own experiences with 
 iOS 8 and ask questions.
 If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be made 
 available after the event.
 You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org and navigate to the Pat Price Tek 
 Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the conference room 
 by choosing this link.
 I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an informative 
 discussion afterwards.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:27 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: IOs 8 release and accessibility.
  
 Hello all.
 Days ago, I saw an email, talking about the new things related with the 
 accessibility in IOs 8.
 But I have found around 395 emails with the same subject talking about this 
 topic, and I am reading many things, but no about the new things related 
 with accessibility on IOs 8.
 Any body knows where can I read something about this?
 Thanks in advance.
 Pablo
  
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Re: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

2014-09-23 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I know there are bugs, but I am truly enjoying this iOS. I really love handoff!

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
wrote:

 Tell me about it! I'm just glancing at them but just deal with them 
 personally. I love iOS 8!
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
 
 On 23 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Isn't it strange how when a new Ios comes out we always focus on the 
 negative stuff about it? It makes me wonder how many posts there are about 
 the Ios features compared to how many posts complaining about the bugs?
 /Krister
 
 23 sep 2014 kl. 03:50 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:
 
 Hi Pablo,
  
 There are also at least 2 or 3 Podcasts on Applevis which are about iOS 8 
 accessibility and iOS 8 bugs. If you have a Podcast client I highly 
 recommend you subscribe to the Applevis podcast, you can set it to not 
 download any Podcasts, but this way you get to see what they release and 
 you can either stream or download any podcasts  you want to listen to.
  
 Furthermore, Jonathan Mosen has just finished a presentation on the 
 Accessible World Tech Talk. I have pasted his email letting the list know 
 about it below so you can go and listen to a recording of his presentation. 
 Anyhow, in short, iOS 8 has some neat new features and some even neater new 
 bugs. Knowing your reaction after iOS 6 and iOS 7 came out, I think your 
 decision to stay with iOS 7.1.2 is a good one. Wait until iOS 8.0.1 comes 
 out and see what fixes are reported on the Viphone list and on Applevis and 
 then you can see if you want to upgrade or wait a bit longer for more fixes 
 to happen. Anyhow, here is Jonathan's message:
  
 Hi everyone,
 on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek Talk 
 presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 8. I'll 
 discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate their use, as 
 well as look at the high number of significant bugs in iOS 8 and their 
 implications.
 There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own experiences with 
 iOS 8 and ask questions.
 If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be made 
 available after the event.
 You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org and navigate to the Pat Price Tek 
 Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the conference 
 room by choosing this link.
 I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an informative 
 discussion afterwards.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
  
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 Hello all.
 Days ago, I saw an email, talking about the new things related with the 
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 But I have found around 395 emails with the same subject talking about this 
 topic, and I am reading many things, but no about the new things related 
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 Any body knows where can I read something about this?
 Thanks in advance.
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Texting withoud i message

2014-09-23 Thread TaraPrakash
 

Dear all

Every time I send a text message   My phone calls  it and I message how do I 
make sure that might text goes as a regular message  and not as I message 
thanks for any input about this 

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

2014-09-23 Thread christopher hallsworth
I can get Handoff to work as far as phone calls and hopefully sms messages when 
it becomes available but that's as far as it goes with me since I have a 4s and 
so no Airdrop either which Handoff seems to be based on. My favourite features 
are the new direct touch typing mode and Braille Screen Input. Makes typing 
less of a chore now. I also love the new Alex voice but can only get that on my 
iPad Mini of course.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 23 Sep 2014, at 21:21, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 I know there are bugs, but I am truly enjoying this iOS. I really love 
 handoff!
 
 -- 
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 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Tell me about it! I'm just glancing at them but just deal with them 
 personally. I love iOS 8!
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
 
 On 23 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Isn't it strange how when a new Ios comes out we always focus on the 
 negative stuff about it? It makes me wonder how many posts there are about 
 the Ios features compared to how many posts complaining about the bugs?
 /Krister
 
 23 sep 2014 kl. 03:50 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:
 
 Hi Pablo,
  
 There are also at least 2 or 3 Podcasts on Applevis which are about iOS 8 
 accessibility and iOS 8 bugs. If you have a Podcast client I highly 
 recommend you subscribe to the Applevis podcast, you can set it to not 
 download any Podcasts, but this way you get to see what they release and 
 you can either stream or download any podcasts  you want to listen to.
  
 Furthermore, Jonathan Mosen has just finished a presentation on the 
 Accessible World Tech Talk. I have pasted his email letting the list know 
 about it below so you can go and listen to a recording of his 
 presentation. Anyhow, in short, iOS 8 has some neat new features and some 
 even neater new bugs. Knowing your reaction after iOS 6 and iOS 7 came 
 out, I think your decision to stay with iOS 7.1.2 is a good one. Wait 
 until iOS 8.0.1 comes out and see what fixes are reported on the Viphone 
 list and on Applevis and then you can see if you want to upgrade or wait a 
 bit longer for more fixes to happen. Anyhow, here is Jonathan's message:
  
 Hi everyone,
 on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek Talk 
 presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 8. I'll 
 discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate their use, as 
 well as look at the high number of significant bugs in iOS 8 and their 
 implications.
 There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own experiences with 
 iOS 8 and ask questions.
 If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be made 
 available after the event.
 You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org and navigate to the Pat Price Tek 
 Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the conference 
 room by choosing this link.
 I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an informative 
 discussion afterwards.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
  
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 Days ago, I saw an email, talking about the new things related with the 
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 But I have found around 395 emails with the same subject talking about 
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Re: Texting withoud i message

2014-09-23 Thread Cheryl Homiak
It should go as an imessage if the recipient as an i-device; otherwise it 
should go as a text message. I'm not sure you can change that.

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and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
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great is your faithfulness.
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 Dear all
 
 Every time I send a text message   My phone calls  it and I message how do I 
 make sure that might text goes as a regular message  and not as I message 
 thanks for any input about this 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: Siri and IOS8

2014-09-23 Thread Brian Fischler
Hey Siri is pretty funny as it decided to start responding to the Good Wife on 
my TV the other night, so that was weird.
On Sep 22, 2014, at 10:16 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:

 The only thing I'm wondering about that name that song feature with Siri is 
 do you have to have Shazam installed to use it? I do have it installed, but 
 would like to know if she'll still name songs should I decide to remove the 
 app.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
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 Yes, the colaboration with Shazam is awesome and works really well. Hey Siri 
 works well for me, of course the phone has to be plugged in, but I assume 
 you know that.
  
  
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 Yes. Hey Siri is buggy. I can't really tell if she's listening to me 
 sometimes because I don't hear the 2 low tones. On a positive note, I really 
 like the ability of having Siri identify a song that's playing on the radio.
  
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
  
 On Sep 22, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Don Risavy, Jr. djrisav...@att.net wrote:
  
 Has anyone had any problems or issues with using the hey Siri option on a 
 IPhone 5 as have it set and don't seem to recognize my command like does on 
 my IPad even in a quiet environment.
 Thanks.
  
  
  
  
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cleaning house

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard
I'd like to get rid of unnecessary folders and files on both my PC and iPhone 
by deleting previous libraries and updates.  I'm thinking of syncing, backing 
up once, and deleting everything previously done.  Using iTunes, what is the 
safest way to do this without losing necessary and wanted stuff on both 
computer and iPhone 5, iOS8, iTunes 11.4, using JAWS 15 on a Windows XP Pro 
computer?  Specific steps, in sequence, are what I'm looking for, either on or 
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Re: bluetooth braille display input on iOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi RIchard.

No but I have seen a lot of strange behaviour with my u2. It is often typing 
double letters, sometimes more than double, can anyone confirm that. It is on 
my 5s. I love the IOS 8, but braille is in some cases rather buggy, but apple 
has made really good changes, but they do not got it finished.

Best regards Annie.
Den 23/09/2014 kl. 20.41 skrev Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com:

 I have not seen this mentioned yet.
 With a bluetooth braille display, in my case the Braille Edge, I cannot hit 
 enter immediately after a punctuation mark. I have to put in a space then 
 enter works.
 Anyone else seeing this?
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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard
It never showed up in the app switcher of iOS7.1.2 or lower, and I thought it 
was something newly added.  It sure is draining my battery.

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  That is your home screen, if you were able to close it, which you are not, 
what would you have? Nothing. It is necessary for the home to run, it is just 
like your desktop of your computer.

  From: Charles Rivard 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:29 PM
  To: visually impaired phone group 
  Subject: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

  When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using iOS8, 
I see that home is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the app switcher, 
it shows that home is running, but I cannot close it.  Any thoughts from some 
knowledgeable soul, or, the person in which it dwells??

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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard
It showed that home had used 38 percent of the battery power.  Other apps 
used from 2 percent to 19 percent.  If it doesn't mean that home is using 
that percentage, what else would that figure represent?


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I wouldn't worry about that. The reason being that what this is
telling you is that you are probably not using any other apps much. It
isn't telling you that home is draining your battery. Besides, I don't
think you can turn this off.

On 9/23/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:

Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but while you'd use a lot less
battery if it wasn't runoing, you wouldn't be able to use your home 
screen,

even if you could close it. :) That is simply your home screen in the app
switcher.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


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When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using
iOS8, I see that home is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the
app switcher, it shows that home is running, but I cannot close it. 
Any

thoughts from some knowledgeable soul, or, the person  in which it
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Re: File attachments in IOS 8.

2014-09-23 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Hi all.

Nothing seems to work here.

You are right Sieghard the item chooser is really overseen, I use it all the 
time with my braille display, but in this case nothing works for me. 3 finger 
swipe down does not find the attachment, I do not know how to get there. 
Hopefully this one will be solved sooner than soon.

Best regards Annie.
Den 23/09/2014 kl. 17.27 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:

 Of course it is, I guess I shouldn;'t give recommendations after 2 AM if I
 can't sleep *smile*.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:15 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: File attachments in IOS 8.
 
 One small correction, it's a two finger triple tap to bring up the item
 chooser and not a two finger double tap.
 
 On 09/23/2014 02:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Annie,
 
 You can use a 3-finger swipe down to go to the last page where usually 
 email attachments are listed. However, maybe try to use the item 
 chooser (a 2-finger double tap will bring it up) when you are in the 
 email. All buttons as well as attachments and so on will be in the 
 item chooser and I think if you double tap on one of the attachments, 
 you are taken to it and Voiceover focus is on it correctly so that 
 another double tap should open it. This does seem to work for me, 
 maybe try it out and let the list know if this works.
 
 I think the item chooser if quite often one of the more overlooked 
 features of Voiceover accessibility, but it is very useful in many
 situations.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:33 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: File attachments in IOS 8.
 
 Hi.
 
 I am having some problems with file attachments in IOS 8, how do you 
 go about that.
 
 I am not able to open attachments.
 Best regards Annie.
 
 
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Ios 8.0.1

2014-09-23 Thread rafal
Apple starts testing a first ios update with bugfixes so there is a hope that 
will coming soon.

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Re: File attachments in IOS 8.

2014-09-23 Thread Alex Hall
You want a three-finger swipe up, not down. Each time you do this, VoiceOver 
will say page x of y, such as page 2 of 5, hen page 3 of 5, and so on. 
Once it says that both numbers are the same (e.g. page 5 of 5), you should be 
able to find and activate the button.
On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi all.
 
 Nothing seems to work here.
 
 You are right Sieghard the item chooser is really overseen, I use it all the 
 time with my braille display, but in this case nothing works for me. 3 finger 
 swipe down does not find the attachment, I do not know how to get there. 
 Hopefully this one will be solved sooner than soon.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 23/09/2014 kl. 17.27 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:
 
 Of course it is, I guess I shouldn;'t give recommendations after 2 AM if I
 can't sleep *smile*.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:15 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: File attachments in IOS 8.
 
 One small correction, it's a two finger triple tap to bring up the item
 chooser and not a two finger double tap.
 
 On 09/23/2014 02:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Annie,
 
 You can use a 3-finger swipe down to go to the last page where usually 
 email attachments are listed. However, maybe try to use the item 
 chooser (a 2-finger double tap will bring it up) when you are in the 
 email. All buttons as well as attachments and so on will be in the 
 item chooser and I think if you double tap on one of the attachments, 
 you are taken to it and Voiceover focus is on it correctly so that 
 another double tap should open it. This does seem to work for me, 
 maybe try it out and let the list know if this works.
 
 I think the item chooser if quite often one of the more overlooked 
 features of Voiceover accessibility, but it is very useful in many
 situations.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
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 Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:33 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: File attachments in IOS 8.
 
 Hi.
 
 I am having some problems with file attachments in IOS 8, how do you 
 go about that.
 
 I am not able to open attachments.
 Best regards Annie.
 
 
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Re: knfb reader doing something very strange on my windows computer

2014-09-23 Thread Marianne Denning
I am opening them just fine but I am not using Outlook.  I will try
Outlook and see what happens.

On 9/23/14, Paul and Paula Jordan pau...@roadrunner.com wrote:
 Hi, all.  I get my ViPhone email on my PC running windows 7.  I'm now
 noticing that the thread that has to do with KNFB reader first impressions
 won't open.  I get the error that the program is not responding and have to
 alt f 4 out of there and re-launch outlook.  What's up with that?  I hope
 nothing's really important in this thread, because I'm just deleting each
 message as it shows up.

 God bless!

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Re: Strange Question of the Day: Is There A Gesture for Toggling QuickNav?

2014-09-23 Thread Flor Lynch
Hi,

(Correcting the subject line, LOL.) 

it might have been flick lef/flick right, but each flick does one or the other. 
The gesture nearest to it seems to be to change the rotor setting.  

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  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:39 PM
  Subject: Re: Strange Question of the Day: Is There A Gesture for Toggling 
QkNav?


  Just changing the subject to correct my typo. Or Braillo, as it were. :)


  Teresa

  We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

  On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:


Hi, All,
There's a method to my madness. I notice that with the current glitches in 
Bluetooth keyboard usage in iOS8, QkNav has to be turned off and on. The 
Braille command doesn't work, but my Bluetooth keyboard does. Now, suppose it 
isn't handy? I do notice that even on-screen text entry is affected by the 
QkNav setting in Voiceover, which is why I have this curious question.


Thanks,
Teresa

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Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-23 Thread Gary Petraccaro
Speaking of bugs, do you know how to end a phone call when you take that 
call from the locked screen?  I had a friend in the hospital today and found 
that I could not end a phone call with out shuting down the phone..  Neither 
could I get the phone out of using the phone call voice which I don't know 
how to describe other than that, sorry.  Also, the problem I had attributed 
to weather has cropped up again when trying to send messages.  So it does 
look like a Siri issue.  My phone is a 5 with 16 Gb of RAM if that means 
anything.  I'm pretty sure I could not recommend this to any blind friend 
looking for a new phone.


- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 6:51 AM
Subject: RE: IOS 8 Released


Hi Ari,

iOS 8 has quite a few bugs, iOS 7 had some when it launched and quite a lot
of them got fixed and I am pretty sure Apple will fix bugs in iOS 8 as well.
Other than that iOS is super accessible and if you need or want an
accessible phone then there is no reason to wait. There will always be bugs.
As far as I am concerned iOS is more accessible with all these bugs than the
old Windows Mobile was ever with MobileSpeak or Talks.

Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ari Moisio
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

HI

I think it is other way around; the cheaper phone  or tablet the more
plain Android.


But i have some spare S60 phones  so i can wait until either IOS or
Android become accessible enough.



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Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 17:44:32 +0930
From: Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Well, with a $100 androy phone you will find that it is more than
likely is not Talkback comparable, because of whatever overlay that
they have on top of Google Stock Androy, and more than likely will
stop at Androy 4.22, which is a crap Androy OS when come to
accessibility. Yes, you can get it work, but is that really worth it,
that is another issue.
Of course, one could argue that it only cost $100, as  compare to
$1000 for an upgrade. If you have that mind set, go ahead, nothing
stopping you on switching over to Androy.
Just bare in mind, whatever phone you choose to get for Androy
platform, make sure you get Androy 4.3 and above. The best entry and
low end level phone for Google Stock Androy is Moto G or Moto E, which
is between $200 and $350 (depending on specific model.

In another word, Androy is good to see, good to touch, is great as a
secondary phone even. But, not all Androy phones are accessible for
the blind. That is the bottom line of the Androy OS.

On 22/09/2014, Ari Moisio ar...@iki.fi wrote:

Hi

On the other had one can get Android phones  approx $100  so the backward
compatibility is not so important.  Also phones with fixed battery have
much shorter lifespan because replacing the battery will be expensive.



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Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:47:57 +1200
From: David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

Works with iOS 8 with limitations. Apple does their best to support

older

hardware, and does a better job than Google and Microsoft. Good luck
getting the latest version of Android working on a four year old

Android

phone. I also used to have similar problems getting new versions of
Windows working on four year old computers.

The fact is, technology is always changing. Moore's Law states that

device

power will double every 18 months. So, a four year old device, such as

an

iPhone 4S, is the great grandfather to the iphone 6 (three generations
ago).

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone


On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com
wrote:

But the official statement from apple, who is who sold those iPhone 4s,
and
who created IOs8, is that IOs 8, works on iPhone 4s.
So, we should not trust in apple?


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Joanne Chua
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

Well, first at all, i'm not sure why people will upgrade t heir 4s to
ios8.
There are some key eatures on ios8 that won't be supported by iphone 5c
and
below, and some are quite exclusive to 6 and 6+.
And again, all these support or not supported, for which phones and
which
ios, it is not something 

Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread Gary Petraccaro
They had time to fix bugs.  It was prior to the release.  But, just for 
curiosity's sake.  How long will you give them to fix these bugs?

  - Original Message - 
  From: Charles Rivard 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:53 PM
  Subject: Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8


  Negative!  Negative!  Negative!!  How about giving them time to fix bugs??  
7.0 was buggy when released, but is good with 7.1.2.  So your statement about 
them never fixing things is absolutely false.  It is a flat out lie, only 
serving the purpose of unnecessary Apple bashing.  Get your facts right before 
spreading them around.

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you! really! are! finished!
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From: mário navarro 
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8



hi all.
I 'm not surprised with the  bugs in the new ios8.
I expected this.
apple in recent times has been to ignore the beta testrs 
and each time it will be worse ...
We will never use iphone with responsibility on the part of the apple.
apple will never take responsibility to solve old problems and new ...
we wait months and years  and never will solve ...
cheers.

Em 16/09/2014 19:26, Grant Hardy escreveu:

  Lynn, Cheryl, and list, 


  A number of excellent resources are always available on release day to 
talk you through the new features and explain what bugs you should expect to 
encounter, many of which have already been mentioned. One other resource that I 
haven't seen mentioned yet is AppleVis.com. I'm not affiliated with them in any 
way, but I tend to find their information extremely well written. I understand 
that they will be releasing a number of free resources and guides tomorrow to 
outline the major new changes and bugs. I would definitely keep an eye on 
www.applevis.com as well as this list for more information.


  Grant 


  On Sep 13, 2014, at 1:55 PM, Lynn Schneider canepri...@gmail.com wrote:


Wow, what a shame. I was so excited about iOS eight and even getting a 
new phone, but with what you are saying, it seems I shouldn't do either, at 
least for a while. Thanks so much for the heads up. At least now I won't be in 
such a hurry to update or get the new phone.

Sent from my iPhone


  On Sep 13, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

  I'm assuming that my new phone will come with iOS8 installed. If so, 
I will hold my other phone and maybe my iPad back until I have worked with it 
on the new phone and I will advise a couple of people I help not to update 
immediately so that either things will improve or I will know how tohelp them 
first. But if I can use the new iOS on my new phone, then I will update my 
other devices even if there are some bugs.


  -- 
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  I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
  thrown in the trash!
  Then God gave me a new heart and life:
  His joy for my despairing tears!
  And now, every day:
  This I call to mind,
  and therefore I have hope:
  The steadfast love of the Lord
  never ceases;
  his mercies never come to an end;
  they are new every morning;
  great is your faithfulness.
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On Sep 13, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote:

I think since I still have a 4S for now and won't get out in the 
rush for
the new next week that I may for the first time hold off on the 
upgrade.
Usually I grab it he first day last year it was four days due to
circumstances beyond my control but sounds like I need to upgrade 
my phone
first and that probably won't happen for a few more weeks, I am 
eligible
through Verizon, have been for over a month now but... 

Then again, who knows, I may go for it anyway but at this moment I 
am of the
opinion that I need the newer phone first.  Which one, I don't 
know, screen
size is of no matter to me but camera stability is, since I have to 
use the
phone to identify a lot now.  


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf
Of John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: overview of accessibility features in iOS 8

Are you willing to comment as to whether version 8 is not very 
usable
with these bugs or not? I'm one of these who wants to install new
things 

Re: Ios 8.0.1

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard
Where did you hear this from?, or, are you one of the testers?  Thanks.

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  Subject: Ios 8.0.1


  Apple starts testing a first ios update with bugfixes so there is a hope that 
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Shrook reader

2014-09-23 Thread mário navarro

hi all.
Someone uses Shrook reader?
I installed it on my iPhone and when I open the app asks me the Shrook.
user name. what user name is this?
do I need to create an account?
I saw nothing in the app to create account.
Someone please explain this to me?

thanks all.
cheers.

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Re: Shrook reader

2014-09-23 Thread John Panarese
   You have to create an account.  If it's not in the app, you can go to the 
shrook.com website to do so.  It is a subscription, so there are different 
options.  I like the app on both the iPhone and the Mac.


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 On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:06 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hi all.
 Someone uses Shrook reader?
 I installed it on my iPhone and when I open the app asks me the Shrook.
 user name. what user name is this?
 do I need to create an account?
 I saw nothing in the app to create account.
 Someone please explain this to me?
 
 thanks all.
 cheers.
 
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Re: Unable to activate buttons with IOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread mário navarro

ahahahahaahaahaahaaha. lol!
cheers.
Em 21/09/2014 17:10, Joseph escreveu:

Hello,
I guess Apple doesn't want you to make any purchases. Hahaha.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:02 AM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com 
mailto:rmann0...@gmail.com wrote:



Since this button is broken, how do you buy songs in IOS 8?


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:


Additionally, the one other button you tested, in iTunes, is known 
to be broken for VO users. The send button in a new message if you 
share something through messages from an app is also broken. Those 
are the only buttons I know of that have problems, everything else 
works fine. As Kelly said, though, depending on what you're doing, 
the button may not be visually on the screen.
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If it's the bug I'm thinking of, in order to activate the buttons 
you will need to make sure that the button is visually on the 
screen. So try doing a three finger swipe to switch pages and then 
see if the button will activate. It is a really annoying 
performance bug.


Kellie and guide Loki
Sent from my iPhone

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Hi everyone,
Well, I went to activate my new iPhone 6 on an app I'm testing for 
work.  The site presents the user with a dashboard and buttons 
which previously worked on IOS 7. So I went to add my device only 
to discover that double tapping on the buttons did nothing at all.
I assumed this was just a bug with this particular site and app so 
decided to purchase a song in the iTunes store.  Double tapped on 
the button to purchase, but couldn't activate that either.
Is the ability to activate buttons broken in IOS 8? If so, this is 
a major performance issue which needs to be addressed.
Interesting that I'm now getting great results with KNFB reader on 
the new phone, but this buttons thing is crazy!

Any good work-arounds?
Olivia

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Re: Ios 8.0.1

2014-09-23 Thread Alex Hall
It's all over Twitter. Someone leaked some details, and the Apple news sites 
wrote up articles about it. Naturally, nothing about VO is mentioned, but 
hopefully that will be part of the update too.
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 Apple starts testing a first ios update with bugfixes so there is a hope that 
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Are there any new gestures in iOS8?

2014-09-23 Thread Flor Lynch

Are there any new gestures in iOS8?

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Re: talking goggles

2014-09-23 Thread Anne Robertson
Hello Paul,

With Talking Goggles, your phone must not be on silent. The buttons should say 
from right to left: Still Camera, Record or Stop, Change language now en, and 
if Stop is showing, Flash.

Double-tap the Record button and hold the phone about 6 inches from what you 
want to identify.

I read all kinds of things with Talking Goggles but I mostly use it in the 
kitchen to identify things in jars and cans.

Cheers,

Anne


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 Didn't someone know of either a podcast or a tutorial on this app; I have 
 tried it with no luck. It's apps like this that remind you just how much you 
 don't know even when you think you know a lot.
 
 Paul

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Re: Are there any new gestures in iOS8?

2014-09-23 Thread Alex Hall
Not that I've found. The four-finger double tap in iOS7 (to start or stop 
gesture practice mode) is the only new one I've seen in a while. I don't think 
iOS8 has anything, though.
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 Are there any new gestures in iOS8?
 
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Re: File attachments in IOS 8.

2014-09-23 Thread Annie Skov Nielsen
Ok I have now tried with a 3 finger swipe up, it did not work, in the end I 
figured out that  you can not swipe to the file you will have to hit it with 
your finger when reach the last page. The item chooser behaves strange, at last 
I found it there but was not able to open the file. this will cause me 
troubles. I am not really good at using the screen, mostly I use braille.
If anyone finds a work arround with a braille display, please let me know.

Best regards Annie.
Den 23/09/2014 kl. 22.46 skrev Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com:

 You want a three-finger swipe up, not down. Each time you do this, VoiceOver 
 will say page x of y, such as page 2 of 5, hen page 3 of 5, and so on. 
 Once it says that both numbers are the same (e.g. page 5 of 5), you should 
 be able to find and activate the button.
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen annieskovniel...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 Nothing seems to work here.
 
 You are right Sieghard the item chooser is really overseen, I use it all the 
 time with my braille display, but in this case nothing works for me. 3 
 finger swipe down does not find the attachment, I do not know how to get 
 there. Hopefully this one will be solved sooner than soon.
 
 Best regards Annie.
 Den 23/09/2014 kl. 17.27 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:
 
 Of course it is, I guess I shouldn;'t give recommendations after 2 AM if I
 can't sleep *smile*.
 
 
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 Of Christopher Chaltain
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:15 AM
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 Subject: Re: File attachments in IOS 8.
 
 One small correction, it's a two finger triple tap to bring up the item
 chooser and not a two finger double tap.
 
 On 09/23/2014 02:17 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote:
 Hi Annie,
 
 You can use a 3-finger swipe down to go to the last page where usually 
 email attachments are listed. However, maybe try to use the item 
 chooser (a 2-finger double tap will bring it up) when you are in the 
 email. All buttons as well as attachments and so on will be in the 
 item chooser and I think if you double tap on one of the attachments, 
 you are taken to it and Voiceover focus is on it correctly so that 
 another double tap should open it. This does seem to work for me, 
 maybe try it out and let the list know if this works.
 
 I think the item chooser if quite often one of the more overlooked 
 features of Voiceover accessibility, but it is very useful in many
 situations.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 
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 Behalf Of Annie Skov Nielsen
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 1:33 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: File attachments in IOS 8.
 
 Hi.
 
 I am having some problems with file attachments in IOS 8, how do you 
 go about that.
 
 I am not able to open attachments.
 Best regards Annie.
 
 
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Re: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

2014-09-23 Thread Kerri
You and me both, hand off is great. My room mate takes the hone to work with 
her on Wednesdays and so I have no phone. Now, with IOS8, I answer all the 
calls on the iPad while she is at work. Love it!

If cats always land on their feet and buttered toast always lands buttered side 
down, what happens if you dropped a cat that was connected to the buttered 
toast?



On Sep 23, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 I know there are bugs, but I am truly enjoying this iOS. I really love 
 handoff!
 
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 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Tell me about it! I'm just glancing at them but just deal with them 
 personally. I love iOS 8!
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
 
 On 23 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Isn't it strange how when a new Ios comes out we always focus on the 
 negative stuff about it? It makes me wonder how many posts there are about 
 the Ios features compared to how many posts complaining about the bugs?
 /Krister
 
 23 sep 2014 kl. 03:50 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:
 
 Hi Pablo,
  
 There are also at least 2 or 3 Podcasts on Applevis which are about iOS 8 
 accessibility and iOS 8 bugs. If you have a Podcast client I highly 
 recommend you subscribe to the Applevis podcast, you can set it to not 
 download any Podcasts, but this way you get to see what they release and 
 you can either stream or download any podcasts  you want to listen to.
  
 Furthermore, Jonathan Mosen has just finished a presentation on the 
 Accessible World Tech Talk. I have pasted his email letting the list know 
 about it below so you can go and listen to a recording of his 
 presentation. Anyhow, in short, iOS 8 has some neat new features and some 
 even neater new bugs. Knowing your reaction after iOS 6 and iOS 7 came 
 out, I think your decision to stay with iOS 7.1.2 is a good one. Wait 
 until iOS 8.0.1 comes out and see what fixes are reported on the Viphone 
 list and on Applevis and then you can see if you want to upgrade or wait a 
 bit longer for more fixes to happen. Anyhow, here is Jonathan's message:
  
 Hi everyone,
 on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek Talk 
 presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 8. I'll 
 discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate their use, as 
 well as look at the high number of significant bugs in iOS 8 and their 
 implications.
 There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own experiences with 
 iOS 8 and ask questions.
 If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be made 
 available after the event.
 You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org and navigate to the Pat Price Tek 
 Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the conference 
 room by choosing this link.
 I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an informative 
 discussion afterwards.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Pablo Morales
 Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:27 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: IOs 8 release and accessibility.
  
 Hello all.
 Days ago, I saw an email, talking about the new things related with the 
 accessibility in IOs 8.
 But I have found around 395 emails with the same subject talking about 
 this topic, and I am reading many things, but no about the new things 
 related with accessibility on IOs 8.
 Any body knows where can I read something about this?
 Thanks in advance.
 Pablo
  
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Re: Ios 8.0.1

2014-09-23 Thread mário navarro


hi alex.

apple never cleaned the vo bugs in the first updates.
was almost always the second or third.
I do not believe it's already on the first.
we still have to wait mutch  long ...
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 22:09, Alex Hall escreveu:
It's all over Twitter. Someone leaked some details, and the Apple news 
sites wrote up articles about it. Naturally, nothing about VO is 
mentioned, but hopefully that will be part of the update too.
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Where did you hear this from?, or, are you one of the testers?  Thanks.

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Apple starts testing a first ios update with bugfixes so there is
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weird VoiceOver bug in iOS 8 regarding hints.

2014-09-23 Thread Gmail
I have hints in my rotor for the times that I play Hanging with Friends, but 
most of the time I have them turned off. Unfortunately, they are being spoken 
regardless of this setting. Has anyone else noticed this?



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Re: Ios 8.0.1

2014-09-23 Thread rafal
I'm not the tester but I know the developer
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  Subject: Re: Ios 8.0.1


  Where did you hear this from?, or, are you one of the testers?  Thanks.

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Apple starts testing a first ios update with bugfixes so there is a hope 
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Re: Shrook reader

2014-09-23 Thread mário navarro


thanks Jonh!
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 22:08, John Panarese escreveu:

You have to create an account.  If it's not in the app, you can go to the 
shrook.com website to do so.  It is a subscription, so there are different 
options.  I like the app on both the iPhone and the Mac.


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On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:06 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

hi all.
Someone uses Shrook reader?
I installed it on my iPhone and when I open the app asks me the Shrook.
user name. what user name is this?
do I need to create an account?
I saw nothing in the app to create account.
Someone please explain this to me?

thanks all.
cheers.

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Sending Audio In A Text.

2014-09-23 Thread Anthony Vece
Hi Everyone;
My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8.
I am unable to reply.

I also upgraded to IOS8.

Please help?


Thanks
Anthony 


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Re: Sending Audio In A Text.

2014-09-23 Thread John Panarese
   Do you mean using the audio feature in Messages.  You have to double tap and 
hold on the record button and do not lift off of the button until you are done 
recording.


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 On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone;
 My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8.
 I am unable to reply.
 
 I also upgraded to IOS8.
 
 Please help?
 
 
 Thanks
 Anthony 
 
 
 Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
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VoiceOver bug with mayo and previous/next button.

2014-09-23 Thread Gmail
My practice in Mail is to split-tap the previous button to go through the list 
of emails in a thread, then flick right twice to the name, and then do a 
two-finger flick up to read the email. Unfortunately, split-tapping the the 
previous button 
Activates the next button, and I'm taken back to the email I just read, or in 
some cases back to the email before the previous email. This is quite 
frustrating, and I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced this bug.


Thanks,
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Re: Good news on the Feeddler front!

2014-09-23 Thread Traci Duncan
Hi the update is not in the store yet.  AS far as I understand, there will be a 
free  a pro version.  Not sure of the differences yet.

Traci

On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:59 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:

hi.
 this app is free or payd.
 I can not find in the App store.
 thanks.
 
 Em 22/09/2014 22:36, Traci Duncan escreveu:
 Hi all,
 
 I was curious about the upcoming Feeddler, so I emailed the developer.  He 
 said it will be accessible with VoiceOver!  :)
 
 My other question for him was can we add articles to Safari's reading list, 
 he said yes, in fact, we can add them without even opening the article.
 
 I'm excited about the release.  I was having a hard time finding an 
 alternative app for the old reader.
 
 Traci
 
 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-23 Thread Kerri
I have probably a ridiculous question here. Is KNFB usable in Canada since it's 
put out by the NFB? I admit it, I'm most likely lunatic.



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 Yes. You can verify this by going to its page on the App Store. Every app's 
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 On 23/09/2014, at 10:45 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share?
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share 
 plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it 
 to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared 
 with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to 
 family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I 
 can share this app?
 
 Thanks
 
 Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for 
 the new iOS 8 family sharing.
 Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone 
 without issues.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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 On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it
 available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to
 upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S
 if it has unlimited installations as most do.
 
 On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of gibberish
 and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? Does 
 the
 reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now i
 know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-)
 /Krister
 
 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com:
 
 I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really is
 pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread mix
 bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background.
 The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry
 
 
 
 On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com
 mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Eileen;
 
 I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
 
 If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
 
 
 Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com
 mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Jonathan,
 
 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, 
 I'm
 going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 6 
 I
 will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who 
 invest
 in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 
 plus,
 it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in comparison 
 to
 the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can
 also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular 
 because
 of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding if
 your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of
 stand.
 
 Thanks so much for your first impressions.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com
 mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 It is now available on the app store to download.
 
 
  Regards, Feliciano
 
 
 
 Like my Facebook page:
 https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=690649294341327
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 Follow me on Twitter: Www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 http://www.twitter.com/theblindman12v
 
 
 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com
 mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?
 
 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just
 holding the phone over the page or item?
 
 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
 
 Brian M
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:05 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
 
 I've spent the last half hour or so playing with KNFB Reader on my
 iPhone 5s. I couldn't be more impressed.
 I read my son's school report, which it got word 

Watching videos on iDevices

2014-09-23 Thread Traci Duncan
Hi all,

What app do you use to watch videos you have uploaded?  I know in the past 
folks have talked about vlc, is this still the popular one?

Any other recommendations, and how do you get the videos onto your iPad?

Thanks,
Traci

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-23 Thread John Panarese


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 On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:45 PM, Kerri kootenaycr...@shaw.ca wrote:
 
 I have probably a ridiculous question here. Is KNFB usable in Canada since 
 it's put out by the NFB? I admit it, I'm most likely lunatic.
 
 
 
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Yes. You can verify this by going to its page on the App Store. Every app's 
 page tells you if it's enabled for family sharing or not.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 23/09/2014, at 10:45 am, Brandon A. Olivares programmer2...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share?
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share 
 plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded 
 it to that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer 
 shared with you and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have 
 gone to family share purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell 
 me how I can share this app?
 
 Thanks
 
 Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled for 
 the new iOS 8 family sharing.
 Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone 
 without issues.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it
 available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to
 upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 5S
 if it has unlimited installations as most do.
 
 On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of 
 gibberish
 and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for this? 
 Does the
 reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? Anyways now 
 i
 know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-)
 /Krister
 
 18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com:
 
 I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really 
 is
 pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small bread 
 mix
 bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige background.
 The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry
 
 
 
 On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com
 mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Eileen;
 
 I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.
 
 If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.
 
 
 Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com
 mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello Jonathan,
 
 Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this time, 
 I'm
 going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which iPhone 
 6 I
 will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For those who 
 invest
 in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 6 or 6 
 plus,
 it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in 
 comparison to
 the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, if one can
 also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in particular 
 because
 of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind regarding 
 if
 your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some other type of
 stand.
 
 Thanks so much for your first impressions.
 
 Best,
 Eileen
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G theblindman...@hotmail.com
 mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 It is now available on the app store to download.
 
 
  Regards, Feliciano
 
 
 
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 Sent from the Super-iPhone
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:19 AM, BrianMiller brianrmille...@gmail.com
 mailto:brianrmille...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Jonathan,
 So is the KNFB reader app now available in the app store?
 
 Also, are you using a stand to take the scans/pics, or are you just
 holding the phone over the page or item?
 
 Thanks so much, this is very encouraging!
 
 Brian M
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 

Re: Ios 8.0.1

2014-09-23 Thread Lynn White
The proof will be   The pudding.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:24 PM, rafal bluewings1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I'm not the tester but I know the developer
 - Original Message -
 From: Charles Rivard
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:06 PM
 Subject: Re: Ios 8.0.1
 
 Where did you hear this from?, or, are you one of the testers?  Thanks.
 
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 Apple starts testing a first ios update with bugfixes so there is a hope that 
 will coming soon.
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Re: Recommendations for Text Editor Replacement for AccessNote

2014-09-23 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi,

I heartily recommend Nebulous Notes. It has a review mode, can handle large 
files, and has a great search feature.

Best,
Anna


Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:51 PM, Petty, Richard richard.pe...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 No answer from AFB as of now. I made the request yesterday morning.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:02 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Recommendations for Text Editor Replacement for AccessNote
 
 Hi Richard,
 
 I don't have a recommendation, but have you contacted AccessNote support to 
 ask when an iOS 8 update is coming? There are lots of them every day and for 
 all you know they maybe already submitted one to Apple for review.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Petty, Richard
 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:06 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Recommendations for Text Editor Replacement for AccessNote
 
 All,
 
 Right now it appears AFB's AccessNotedidn't make the upgrade to IOS 8. Some 
 of the viewing area appears to be cut off.
 
 This leaves me pretty desparate for a text editor for IOS 8. I use an editor 
 especially for reviewing notes when making presentations, so would like an 
 editor that can display large areas of text, perhaps by hiding the keyboard 
 or, like AccessNote, with a review only mode.
 
 I would very much appreciate any recommendations, especially if anyone has 
 used the app in IOS 8.
 
 Thanks so much.
 
 Richard Petty
 
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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-23 Thread Flor Lynch
It's usable worldwide, and is available in many countries' App Stores. It also 
supports several languages. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: Kerri 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:45 PM
  Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


  I have probably a ridiculous question here. Is KNFB usable in Canada since 
it's put out by the NFB? I admit it, I'm most likely lunatic.






  On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


Yes. You can verify this by going to its page on the App Store. Every app's 
page tells you if it's enabled for family sharing or not.

Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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  On 23/09/2014, at 10:45 am, Brandon A. Olivares 
programmer2...@gmail.com wrote:


  I'd like to know this. Is KNFB Reader able to be shared on Family Share?


  On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Kimberly Carmichael kjc0...@icloud.com 
wrote:


I just tried to share K in F be reader with someone on my family share 
plan. I went to my purchases, and went under my name and then downloaded it to 
that person's device. It's been said that this app is no longer shared with you 
and you must purchase it from the app store.I would have gone to family share 
purchases, but the button is dimmed. Can anybody tell me how I can share this 
app?


Thanks

Follow me on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/kjc0202




Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2014, at 12:11 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


  Hi Deb, it's just another app in this regard and it is also enabled 
for the new iOS 8 family sharing.
  Bonnie and I share an account and I was able to put it on her phone 
without issues.

  Jonathan Mosen
  Mosen Consulting
  Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
  http://Mosen.org


On 19/09/2014, at 4:02 am, Deb Lewis deblewi...@gmail.com wrote:


Does the KNFB Reader have a limited number of installs or is it
available to all phones on the account? Asking because I do plan to
upgrade but it will be a few weeks. I'd buy it now and use it on my 
5S
if it has unlimited installations as most do.

On 9/18/14, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:

  What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of 
gibberish
  and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique for 
this? Does the
  reader give some kind of feedback when all text's detected? 
Anyways now i
  know that it's me and not the app that's stupid.:-)
  /Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell 
ubupanora...@icloud.com:

I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it 
really is
pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small 
bread mix
bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige 
background.
The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry



On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com
mailto:ajv...@gmail.com wrote:


  Eileen;

  I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

  If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.


  Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!

  On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi 
eileen.misr...@gmail.com
  mailto:eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello Jonathan,

Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At 
this time, I'm
going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on 
which iPhone 6 I
will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For 
those who invest
in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either an iPhone 
6 or 6 plus,
it would be terrific to post on the accuracy of the app in 
comparison to
the phone that they originally installed the app on. Also, 
if one can
also comment on the use of the app with the 6 plus in 
particular because
of the optical stabilization. ANOTHER person read my mind 
regarding if
your use of the app was with the StandScan or with some 
other type of
stand.

Thanks so much for your first impressions.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 18, 2014, at 4:41 AM, Feliciano G 
theblindman...@hotmail.com
mailto:theblindman...@hotmail.com wrote:


  It is now available on the app store to download.


   Regards, 

How do you turn off categorize friends within facebook

2014-09-23 Thread DJ Reese
Hi list:

My girlfriends phone is displaying her facebook friends list in categories 
however, mine is displaying the friends list in a table format.  So how do I 
get her phone to display the list in the same format as mine.  Thanks!

DJ Reese

Download and install the new Peachtree Radio fM app available in the 
Android, Apple and Black berry app stores today.
Peachtree Radio FM.  where some listen to remember and some listen to 
forget.
www.peachtreeradiofm.com 

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Re: Good news on the Feeddler front!

2014-09-23 Thread mário navarro


ok tracy, thanks.
cheers.
Em 23/09/2014 22:44, Traci Duncan escreveu:

Hi the update is not in the store yet.  AS far as I understand, there will be a 
free  a pro version.  Not sure of the differences yet.

Traci

On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:59 AM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:


hi.
this app is free or payd.
I can not find in the App store.
thanks.

Em 22/09/2014 22:36, Traci Duncan escreveu:

Hi all,

I was curious about the upcoming Feeddler, so I emailed the developer.  He said 
it will be accessible with VoiceOver!  :)

My other question for him was can we add articles to Safari's reading list, he 
said yes, in fact, we can add them without even opening the article.

I'm excited about the release.  I was having a hard time finding an alternative 
app for the old reader.

Traci


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Accessible Pedometer

2014-09-23 Thread Ezzie Bueno
Hello friends:

Do any of you know of any accessible pedometers for iPhones? I'm
looking to keep track of the number of steps I've walked, as well as
the distance I've walked. Anything else indicated by pedometers you
recommend are an extra bonus!

Thank you,
Ezzie

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Iphone 6 and 6 plus

2014-09-23 Thread David Gross
I appreciate all the feedback on this list.

 

My only remaining question is:

Where is the earphone jack on the 2 new phones?

 

 

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Re: Live Audio Presentation on iOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread Jonathan Mosen
Hi John, here is the link to paste into any Podcast app to subscribe to the 
podcast.
http://accessibleworld.org/taxonomy/term/16/all/feed
Jonathan Mosen
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 On 24/09/2014, at 6:54 am, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 That's unfortunate. Hopefully you are wrong but I doubt it.
 
 On 9/23/14, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hi john.
 I think:
 the site has no feeds.
 you can not subscribe to podcasts on this site.
 cheers.
 Em 23/09/2014 19:04, John Diakogeorgiou escreveu:
 Stupid question but how do I add the feed for the podcasts on this
 site to downcash? That is, what earl do I use? I tried accessible.org
 and it didn't work.
 
 On 9/23/14, mário navarro mario@gmail.com wrote:
 hi friend.
 thanks for the tip .
 
 thanks.
 cheers.
 Em 23/09/2014 18:04, Les Kriegler escreveu:
 Hi Mario,
 
 I would suggest checking either tonight or tomorrow. They are good at
 getting their files up pretty quickly lately. I know the last podcast
 they did was up by Tuesday night. Hopefully this one will be as well.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:37 PM, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 hi jonathan.
 yes the file is not yet available for download.
 maybe over the weekend.
 thanks.
 Em 23/09/2014 17:26, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
 Hi Mario. I don't think they've made the archive available yet. It
 should be up on http://accessibleworld.org before the end of the
 week I think.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
 
 On 23/09/2014, at 8:42 pm, mário navarro mario@gmail.com
 mailto:mario@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 hi jonathan.
 I searched the file of your live audio presentation to download but
 can not find.
 can you send me the link?
 thanks jonathan.
 cheers.
 Em 22/09/2014 04:47, Jonathan Mosen escreveu:
 Hi everyone,
 on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a
 Tek Talk presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about
 iOS 8. I'll discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and
 demonstrate their use, as well as look at the high number of
 significant bugs in iOS 8 and their implications.
 There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own
 experiences with iOS 8 and ask questions.
 If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will
 be made available after the event.
 You can visit http://accessibleWorld.org
 http://accessibleworld.org/ and navigate to the Pat Price Tek
 Talk Training Room. Alternatively, head over directly to the
 conference room by choosing this link
 http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2.
 I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an
 informative discussion afterwards.
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Re: email bug?

2014-09-23 Thread Regina Alvarado
Found a workaround, but can someone tell me how to email accessibility, please. 
Thought I remembered, but well, no! (smiles) 

This is how I go around the email bug. I read the email by flicking up from the 
bottom with 2 fingers. When the email is finished I three-finger flick up from 
the bottom. Now you can delete and it will delete not reply. Must be the focus 
problem. Hope this helps someone. Will email accessibility with this bug, 
however.


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Kerri kootenaycr...@shaw.ca wrote:

Yes, I have encountered this bug.
Kerri
kootenaycr...@shaw.ca





 On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Has anyone run into this? When going through mail on my 6 I tap delete. 
 Immediately it says reply. I touch cancel on the left then go back to delete 
 which when tapped now works. Does this need accessibility as a bug?
 
 
 
 reggie and Allegra
 
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Re: Sending Audio In A Text.

2014-09-23 Thread Cheryl Homiak
True, but it doesn't always work correctly. Sometimes when you do lift off 
there's a send and a cancel button and a dimmed stop video button. It would be 
nice if record/stop could be in actions but maybe that's not practical.

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On Sep 23, 2014, at 4:37 PM, John Panarese jpanar...@gmail.com wrote:

   Do you mean using the audio feature in Messages.  You have to double tap 
 and hold on the record button and do not lift off of the button until you are 
 done recording.
 
 
 Take Care
 
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 On Sep 23, 2014, at 5:33 PM, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Everyone;
 My Brother sent me an audio message using IOS8.
 I am unable to reply.
 
 I also upgraded to IOS8.
 
 Please help?
 
 
 Thanks
 Anthony 
 
 
 Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!
 
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TuneIn Radio and IOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread Tom Cramer
Hi there,

I have no idea if anyone knew the answer to my previous question
regarding using TuneIn radio and IOS 8.  I do have a similar question
though.
Is it possible to downgrade to a previous version of TuneIn radio?
The reason I ask is because when I did an upgrade to my phone, I did
an iCloud restore and got all of my apps back with no problem.
However, I got into it and the only options I got were to either sign
up with email or sign in using an account.  I've had no account in the
past and was always just able to listen to stations from the app
itself without having to sign in or sign up.  Any solutions, or is
everything I had gone?

Thanks much.

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RE: Iphone 6 and 6 plus

2014-09-23 Thread Juan Hernandez
It is on the same side of the iphone 4/4s, except instead of it being the
top, it is on the bottom of the iphone, to the left of the charger port.

 

Best,

 

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I appreciate all the feedback on this list.

 

My only remaining question is:

Where is the earphone jack on the 2 new phones?

 

 

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Re: email bug?

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard
See if this is another way to delete Emails:

After reading an Email, go back to the inbox with the escape key on a keyboard 
or using the back button.  Focus on the Email, then flick up once.  Double tap 
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  Subject: Re: email bug?


  Found a workaround, but can someone tell me how to email accessibility, 
please. Thought I remembered, but well, no! (smiles) 


  This is how I go around the email bug. I read the email by flicking up from 
the bottom with 2 fingers. When the email is finished I three-finger flick up 
from the bottom. Now you can delete and it will delete not reply. Must be the 
focus problem. Hope this helps someone. Will email accessibility with this bug, 
however.




  reggie and Allegra

  On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Kerri kootenaycr...@shaw.ca wrote:


  Yes, I have encountered this bug.

  Kerri
  kootenaycr...@shaw.ca









  On Sep 23, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Regina Alvarado reggie.alvar...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Has anyone run into this? When going through mail on my 6 I tap delete. 
Immediately it says reply. I touch cancel on the left then go back to delete 
which when tapped now works. Does this need accessibility as a bug?



reggie and Allegra

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Re: Iphone 6 and 6 plus

2014-09-23 Thread Anthony Vece
On the bottom.

It's in the same place as the 5s.


Sent from my ATT iPhone 5s!

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 I appreciate all the feedback on this list.
  
 My only remaining question is:
 Where is the earphone jack on the 2 new phones?
  
  
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Re: Accessible Pedometer

2014-09-23 Thread Peter Logan
I treadmill

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Ezzie Bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello friends:
 
 Do any of you know of any accessible pedometers for iPhones? I'm
 looking to keep track of the number of steps I've walked, as well as
 the distance I've walked. Anything else indicated by pedometers you
 recommend are an extra bonus!
 
 Thank you,
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RE: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

2014-09-23 Thread Pablo Morales
This thing of handoff sound very usable. Even though this direct touch,
doesn't sound so good. I mean, if it is like a regular keyboard, but just
guessing where could be the keys, is like typing in regular touch typing,
because if we touch a key, using touch typing,  and leave out our finger,
that key is goint to type a letter any way.

Of course, guessing.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:24 PM
To: Viphone
Subject: Re: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

 

I can get Handoff to work as far as phone calls and hopefully sms messages
when it becomes available but that's as far as it goes with me since I have
a 4s and so no Airdrop either which Handoff seems to be based on. My
favourite features are the new direct touch typing mode and Braille Screen
Input. Makes typing less of a chore now. I also love the new Alex voice but
can only get that on my iPad Mini of course.


Sent from my Macbook Pro 

 

On 23 Sep 2014, at 21:21, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:





I know there are bugs, but I am truly enjoying this iOS. I really love
handoff!

 

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I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

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Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, christopher hallsworth
challswor...@icloud.com wrote:





Tell me about it! I'm just glancing at them but just deal with them
personally. I love iOS 8!


Sent from my Macbook Pro 

 

On 23 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:





Isn't it strange how when a new Ios comes out we always focus on the
negative stuff about it? It makes me wonder how many posts there are about
the Ios features compared to how many posts complaining about the bugs?

/Krister

 

23 sep 2014 kl. 03:50 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:

 

Hi Pablo,

 

There are also at least 2 or 3 Podcasts on Applevis which are about iOS 8
accessibility and iOS 8 bugs. If you have a Podcast client I highly
recommend you subscribe to the Applevis podcast, you can set it to not
download any Podcasts, but this way you get to see what they release and you
can either stream or download any podcasts  you want to listen to.

 

Furthermore, Jonathan Mosen has just finished a presentation on the
Accessible World Tech Talk. I have pasted his email letting the list know
about it below so you can go and listen to a recording of his presentation.
Anyhow, in short, iOS 8 has some neat new features and some even neater new
bugs. Knowing your reaction after iOS 6 and iOS 7 came out, I think your
decision to stay with iOS 7.1.2 is a good one. Wait until iOS 8.0.1 comes
out and see what fixes are reported on the Viphone list and on Applevis and
then you can see if you want to upgrade or wait a bit longer for more fixes
to happen. Anyhow, here is Jonathan's message:

 

Hi everyone,

on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek Talk
presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 8. I'll
discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate their use, as well
as look at the high number of significant bugs in iOS 8 and their
implications.

There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own experiences with
iOS 8 and ask questions.

If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be made
available after the event.

You can visit  http://accessibleworld.org/ http://accessibleWorld.org and
navigate to the Pat Price Tek Talk Training Room. Alternatively,
http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 head over
directly to the conference room by choosing this link.

I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an informative
discussion afterwards.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

 http://mosen.org/ http://Mosen.org

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

 

Hello all.

Days ago, I saw an email, talking about the new things related with the
accessibility in IOs 8.

But I have found around 395 emails with the same subject talking about this
topic, and I am reading many things, but no about the new things related
with accessibility on IOs 8.

Any body knows where can I read something about this?

Thanks in advance.

Pablo

 

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Re: Accessible Pedometer

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard
Can you give more info about this app?  What are the cost, if any, and the 
functions?  How well does it work with Voice-Over and iOS8?


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Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible Pedometer


I treadmill

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:03 PM, Ezzie Bueno ezziebu...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello friends:

Do any of you know of any accessible pedometers for iPhones? I'm
looking to keep track of the number of steps I've walked, as well as
the distance I've walked. Anything else indicated by pedometers you
recommend are an extra bonus!

Thank you,
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RE: Hand Writing

2014-09-23 Thread Blind Treasures
When you are at the home screen and want to find an app, you can use the
rotor to switch to handwriting and then write the first letter of the app
and all apps with that letter will appear. You can then just tap on the app
name to open it up. 
However, now since updating to IOS 8, when switching the rotor to
handwriting and typing a letter, voice over will crash and then come back.
I've tried this both on my IPhone 5s and my IPad mini with the same results.


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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-23 Thread Gail the U. S. Male
not really, it was not developed by Kurzweil Educational systems, the maker 
of the program for the PC. Ray Kurzweil, and NFB and a belgian company 
actually developed the one used on the iPhone.
- Original Message - 
From: Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Yes, that is what the K and K NFB reader stands for

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

On Sep 22, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com 
wrote:


hi,

has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i 
needed to scan books for university and it was quite good.


Husna


-Original Message- From: RobH.
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

Hummmnmnm,   the logic of it threw me too,  so are we to understand 
the

app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some
of the smarter pc based reader apps did this.

Kertsweil springs to mind.

Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a
viewing distence for this?

Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution.

Rh.
- Original Message - From: Kayaker sea...@me.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Hi,

I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying 
that
taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait 
improves

results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the
order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to 
meaningless

background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape

I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue.
Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels.


--k
Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the
questions.




On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better
results.
I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille
Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand
photography.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
wrote:

I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of 
the

document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been
thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold
the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather
as if i had it in landscape mode?
/Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're
doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the
phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting 
a

page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or
visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the 
page.
Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, 
indicating

you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback
before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report,
particularly in the early stages.
Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
wrote:

What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of
gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique 
for

this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's
detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's
stupid.:-)
/Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com:

I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really
is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small
bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige
background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry




On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:

Eileen;

I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.


Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!

On Sep 18, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Eileen Misrahi
eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:


Hello Jonathan,

Your first impressions of the KNFB app is encouraging. At this 
time,

I'm going to have to be on the sidelines until I decide on which
iPhone 6 I will purchase. This is my question to this thread. For
those who invest in the KNFB Reader app and have purchased either 
an

iPhone 6 or 6 plus, it would be 

Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-23 Thread Gail the U. S. Male
yes, it was totally amazing!  at the time, Ray envisioned something about 
the size of a briefcase. Ray has been a wonderful friend to the blind, and 
will continue to be, as long as he lives, which I hope is a really long time 
yet.  Ray also hopes this. He wants to live to be 150 years old.
- Original Message - 
From: Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com

To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many
years and I don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to
do with the development of the KNFB Reader.  NFB provided significant
funding for the original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s.  We have
come a long way since it was a free standing machine that cost $50,000
and all it would do is read scanned documents.  Now it is a $100.00
app on your IPhone.

On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote:

hi,

has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil when i
needed to scan books for university and it was quite good.

Husna


-Original Message-
From: RobH.
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

Hummmnmnm,   the logic of it threw me too,  so are we to understand 
the

app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know some
of the smarter pc based reader apps did this.

Kertsweil springs to mind.

Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they recommend a
viewing distence for this?

Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution.

Rh.
- Original Message -
From: Kayaker sea...@me.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Hi,

I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying
that
taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait
improves
results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the
order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to 
meaningless

background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape

I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue.
Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels.


--k
Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the
questions.



On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:


There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better
results.
I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille
Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand
photography.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
wrote:

I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of
the
document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been
thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold
the phone with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather
as if i had it in landscape mode?
/Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're
doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the
phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting
a
page of text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or
visually. Then hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the
page.
Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating,
indicating
you have the angle right, then take the picture. For further feedback
before you take the picture, you might use the field of view report,
particularly in the early stages.
Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org


On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
wrote:

What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of
gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a technique
for
this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback when all text's
detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not the app that's
stupid.:-)
/Krister


18 sep 2014 kl. 17:37 skrev Harry Bell ubupanora...@icloud.com:

I have played a bit today with this app on my iPhone 5S and it really
is pretty good. I just got it to read the instructions on a small
bread mix bag where the text was incredibly tiny and brown on a beige
background. The results were very quick and about 95% accurate! Harry



On 18 Sep 2014, at 13:23, Anthony Vece ajv...@gmail.com wrote:


Eileen;

I believe I'm going to try it on my 5s.

If and, when I do, I'let everyone know.


Sentence from my ATT iPhone 5s!

On Sep 

Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

2014-09-23 Thread Tom Lange
How do you show the percentage is in the app switcher?  I've never seen them in 
 I OS 7.1.2  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 It showed that home had used 38 percent of the battery power.  Other apps 
 used from 2 percent to 19 percent.  If it doesn't mean that home is using 
 that percentage, what else would that figure represent?
 
 ---
 Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, 
 you! really! are! finished!
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 jdiakoge2...@gmail.com
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:52 PM
 Subject: Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?
 
 
 I wouldn't worry about that. The reason being that what this is
 telling you is that you are probably not using any other apps much. It
 isn't telling you that home is draining your battery. Besides, I don't
 think you can turn this off.
 
 On 9/23/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but while you'd use a lot less
 battery if it wasn't runoing, you wouldn't be able to use your home screen,
 even if you could close it. :) That is simply your home screen in the app
 switcher.
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
 with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using
 iOS8, I see that home is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the
 app switcher, it shows that home is running, but I cannot close it. Any
 thoughts from some knowledgeable soul, or, the person  in which it
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Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?

2014-09-23 Thread Charles Rivard

It's because they aren't there.  They are in 8.0.

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:14 PM
Subject: Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?


How do you show the percentage is in the app switcher?  I've never seen them 
in  I OS 7.1.2


Sent from my iPhone


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It showed that home had used 38 percent of the battery power.  Other 
apps used from 2 percent to 19 percent.  If it doesn't mean that home is 
using that percentage, what else would that figure represent?


---
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finished, you! really! are! finished!
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: how to remove, or shut off, a real battery drainer?


I wouldn't worry about that. The reason being that what this is
telling you is that you are probably not using any other apps much. It
isn't telling you that home is draining your battery. Besides, I don't
think you can turn this off.


On 9/23/14, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
Well, not to put too fine a point on it, but while you'd use a lot less
battery if it wasn't runoing, you wouldn't be able to use your home 
screen,

even if you could close it. :) That is simply your home screen in the app
switcher.

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing
with the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:29 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com 
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When checking to see what is using how much power on my iPhone 5 using
iOS8, I see that home is using over 40 percent of my battery.  In the
app switcher, it shows that home is running, but I cannot close it. 
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Re: iOS 8 voiceover . Caller id

2014-09-23 Thread Todd Bernhard
Sure.  You can search the app store for autoringtone and the PRO version is 
the best, but the others are free to try, with a few of the voices.

Here's a link to the pro version:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/autoringtone-pro-talking-caller/id333264447?mt=8

and here's one of the free versions:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/auto-ringtone-uk-create-free/id335913545?mt=8

---Todd
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 Hi Todd,

 Would you please add the link to the app you talked about? You have so 
 many apps about ringtones, I don’t know which one it is. Lol

  

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Re: Strange Question of the Day: Is There A Gesture for Toggling QuickNav?

2014-09-23 Thread Teresa Cochran
As far as I'm aware, flicking left and right move the Voiceover cursor left and 
right,. Which rotor setting are you referring to?

Thanks,
Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks

 On Sep 23, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Flor Lynch florl...@iol.ie wrote:
 
 Hi,
  
 (Correcting the subject line, LOL.)
  
 it might have been flick lef/flick right, but each flick does one or the 
 other. The gesture nearest to it seems to be to change the rotor setting.  
  
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 Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 7:39 PM
 Subject: Re: Strange Question of the Day: Is There A Gesture for Toggling 
 QkNav?
 
 Just changing the subject to correct my typo. Or Braillo, as it were. :)
 
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
 the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Teresa Cochran batsfly...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi, All,
 There's a method to my madness. I notice that with the current glitches in 
 Bluetooth keyboard usage in iOS8, QkNav has to be turned off and on. The 
 Braille command doesn't work, but my Bluetooth keyboard does. Now, suppose 
 it isn't handy? I do notice that even on-screen text entry is affected by 
 the QkNav setting in Voiceover, which is why I have this curious question.
 
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RE: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

2014-09-23 Thread Steve Shannon Cook
What is handoff?

 

Steve and Shannon Cook

Today I married my best friend.  

The one that I laugh with, live for, love.

October 11, 2003 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

 

I know there are bugs, but I am truly enjoying this iOS. I really love
handoff!

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:12 PM, christopher hallsworth
challswor...@icloud.com wrote:





Tell me about it! I'm just glancing at them but just deal with them
personally. I love iOS 8!


Sent from my Macbook Pro 

 

On 23 Sep 2014, at 09:20, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:





Isn't it strange how when a new Ios comes out we always focus on the
negative stuff about it? It makes me wonder how many posts there are about
the Ios features compared to how many posts complaining about the bugs?

/Krister

 

23 sep 2014 kl. 03:50 skrev Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca:

 

Hi Pablo,

 

There are also at least 2 or 3 Podcasts on Applevis which are about iOS 8
accessibility and iOS 8 bugs. If you have a Podcast client I highly
recommend you subscribe to the Applevis podcast, you can set it to not
download any Podcasts, but this way you get to see what they release and you
can either stream or download any podcasts  you want to listen to.

 

Furthermore, Jonathan Mosen has just finished a presentation on the
Accessible World Tech Talk. I have pasted his email letting the list know
about it below so you can go and listen to a recording of his presentation.
Anyhow, in short, iOS 8 has some neat new features and some even neater new
bugs. Knowing your reaction after iOS 6 and iOS 7 came out, I think your
decision to stay with iOS 7.1.2 is a good one. Wait until iOS 8.0.1 comes
out and see what fixes are reported on the Viphone list and on Applevis and
then you can see if you want to upgrade or wait a bit longer for more fixes
to happen. Anyhow, here is Jonathan's message:

 

Hi everyone,

on Monday 22 September at 8 PM Eastern US time, I'll be giving a Tek Talk
presentation on the free Accessible World chat site about iOS 8. I'll
discuss some of the new features in iOS 8 and demonstrate their use, as well
as look at the high number of significant bugs in iOS 8 and their
implications.

There'll also be plenty of time for you to share your own experiences with
iOS 8 and ask questions.

If you're not available to attend the event live, a download will be made
available after the event.

You can visit  http://accessibleworld.org/ http://accessibleWorld.org and
navigate to the Pat Price Tek Talk Training Room. Alternatively,
http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 head over
directly to the conference room by choosing this link.

I'm looking forward to sharing some info with you and to an informative
discussion afterwards.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

 http://mosen.org/ http://Mosen.org

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: IOs 8 release and accessibility.

 

Hello all.

Days ago, I saw an email, talking about the new things related with the
accessibility in IOs 8.

But I have found around 395 emails with the same subject talking about this
topic, and I am reading many things, but no about the new things related
with accessibility on IOs 8.

Any body knows where can I read something about this?

Thanks in advance.

Pablo

 

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RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-23 Thread Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D.
I understand he is a Senior employee at Google. I hope he can swing Google 
towards as good a commitment to accessibility for the blind and visually 
impaired as Steve Jobs did with Apple.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gail the U. S. Male
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

yes, it was totally amazing!  at the time, Ray envisioned something about the 
size of a briefcase. Ray has been a wonderful friend to the blind, and will 
continue to be, as long as he lives, which I hope is a really long time yet.  
Ray also hopes this. He wants to live to be 150 years old.
- Original Message -
From: Marianne Denning maria...@denningweb.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


Ray Kurzweil has not been involved in the Kurzweil company for many years and I 
don't believe Kurzweil Educational Systems had anything to do with the 
development of the KNFB Reader.  NFB provided significant funding for the 
original Kurzweil machine back in the 1970s.  We have come a long way since it 
was a free standing machine that cost $50,000 and all it would do is read 
scanned documents.  Now it is a $100.00 app on your IPhone.

On 9/22/14, Husna Begum h.begu...@btinternet.com wrote:
 hi,

 has knfb reader been developed by kurzweil? i used to use kurzweil 
 when i needed to scan books for university and it was quite good.

 Husna


 -Original Message-
 From: RobH.
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:44 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 Hummmnmnm,   the logic of it threw me too,  so are we to understand 
 the
 app can't learn to rotate and process the image the other way? I know 
 some of the smarter pc based reader apps did this.

 Kertsweil springs to mind.

 Getting range or distence right would help too; wonder if they 
 recommend a viewing distence for this?

 Those scanning boxes have their uses then, though not a portable solution.

 Rh.
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 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 6:48 PM
 Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


 Hi,

 I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are 
 saying that taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a 
 portrait improves results, that makes no logical sense. The number of 
 pixels lost is on the order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and 
 right sides to meaningless background if a full portrait page is in 
 view in landscape

 I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue.
 Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels.


 --k
 Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking 
 the questions.



 On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better 
 results.
 I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille 
 Press. it does a great job of helping a blind person understand 
 photography.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training http://Mosen.org

 On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom 
 kris...@kristersplace.com
 wrote:

 I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top 
 of the document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, 
 they've been thinking there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, 
 should i not hold the phone with the camera pointing to the top of 
 the document but rather as if i had it in landscape mode?
 /Krister

 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

 Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what 
 you're doing, but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you 
 holding the phone lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best 
 results by putting a page of text on a table, like I would be 
 reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone sideways a 
 few centimetres above the page.
 Use the vibration feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, 
 indicating you have the angle right, then take the picture. For 
 further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the 
 field of view report, particularly in the early stages.
 Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training 
 http://Mosen.org

 On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom 
 kris...@kristersplace.com
 wrote:

 What are you guys doing to get good results? Me, i got a lot of 
 gibberish and some readable text but not much. Is there a 
 technique for this? Does the reader give some kind of feedback 
 when all text's detected? Anyways now i know that it's me and not 
 the app that's
 stupid.:-)
 /Krister

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Re: Iphone 6 and 6 plus

2014-09-23 Thread Regina Alvarado
On the bottom on the very left side at least on the 6. Saw the 6 plus, and it 
is almost as big as the iPad Mini. 


reggie and Allegra

On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:22 PM, David Gross david.dgro...@gmail.com wrote:

I appreciate all the feedback on this list.
 
My only remaining question is:
Where is the earphone jack on the 2 new phones?
 
 
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Re: TuneIn Radio and IOS 8

2014-09-23 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
 think the only way is to do a restore from backup of your phone. I think 
unless you have an account you can't get all your presets when you reinstall 
the app. Same with recordings Good luck.
If not, you can always add the stations you like again.Hope this helps,
Ioana 

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 On Sep 23, 2014, at 6:34 PM, Tom Cramer tom.cram...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi there,
 
 I have no idea if anyone knew the answer to my previous question
 regarding using TuneIn radio and IOS 8.  I do have a similar question
 though.
 Is it possible to downgrade to a previous version of TuneIn radio?
 The reason I ask is because when I did an upgrade to my phone, I did
 an iCloud restore and got all of my apps back with no problem.
 However, I got into it and the only options I got were to either sign
 up with email or sign in using an account.  I've had no account in the
 past and was always just able to listen to stations from the app
 itself without having to sign in or sign up.  Any solutions, or is
 everything I had gone?
 
 Thanks much.
 
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