Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Joshua Hendrickson]

Four digits is enough for me.  I don't have anything on my iPhone that
anyone would want anyway.  All I've got on my iPhone is loads of audio
books from bard.  I've got 1492 audio books from bard.  That takes up
about 229 gigs of my iPhone 8.

On 4/28/21, Simon A Fogarty  wrote:
> Your pass code should be something that makes sense to you and you alone,
> But not your date of birth or that of someone close to you,
>
> Or at least that is what is suggested,
>
> I would also use more than 4 characters if possible.
>
> Like on my phone I use 6 characters from an id number that relates to me but
> that I haven’t used in 20 years.
>
> It would be something someone could figure out if they new where to look for
> the details.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2021 4:44 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
> , 1234, 11, all those are examples of passcodes where the passcode
> is little better than no passcode at all.
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
> Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, then
> your phone could becomes theirs.
>
>
> Richard
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
> www.turner42.com
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn
> <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> Passcode is the term that they use.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
> Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that earlier but
> when I followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode
> instead of password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
>
>
> The steps are:
>
> One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.
>
> 2.  enter your passcode.
>
> 3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.
>
> 4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next screen.
>
> 5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and activate turn
> off passcode again.
>
> Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it will actually
> turn it off.
>
>
>
> I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.
>
>
>
> Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
> what they become by it."
>
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
>
>
> Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cf445c6ee6ea34369944308d909cd0233%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637551598366991622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2F4w3vb0k44Y%2Byg4VZHjuXx2kz5iWCa9fFxWpWWDl7FM%3Dreserved=0
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>    >
>> On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> 
> Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
>
>
> There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get rid of it. I
> did find in settings what I thought was going to be a place to turn it off
> but when I restarted the phone, it required my 6-digit pass code. I’m very
> disappointed. This is going to make the phone much harder for my wife to use
> and learn on.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>    

Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I always enjoy voices with some kind of accent.  I always thought here
in the Mid West, we don't really have much of an accent.  Southern
accents can be kind of cool, but sometimes they can get annoying in my
opinion.  I think overall, we have some great voices for our iPhone's
to choose from.

On 4/28/21, Kelly Pierce  wrote:
> Before I had my iPhone 7, I was limited to the male Siri voice for
> Voiceover and Lee on my iPhone 5.  In public, heads would turn when I
> used Siri and it spoke in an Australian accent.  Midwestern Americans
> reacted like it was a foreign intrusion. I felt like screaming that
> the man who recorded this voice has the same ancestry as I do. We just
> sound different. There’s no need to freak out.
>
> Kelly
>
>
>
> On 4/28/21, Wendy Lin  wrote:
>> I use Alex on both my iPhone and Mac. He is the best voice out of all the
>> other voices in my opinion. I gave Siri female a try a couple days ago
>> and
>> 24 hours later I just couldn’t stand her voice anymore! The way how she
>> pronounces the letter B, sounds like she’s saying E.
>>
>> Wendy
>>
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If you like Serena, then give Kate a try.  She is also very good.  I
>>> like Tessa, as well as Lee and sometimes I'll try Oliver.  The Siri
>>> Irish voices both male and female are also quite good in my opinion.
>>> I also use Serena quite a bit as well.
>>>
>>> On 4/28/21, Angie Nutt  wrote:
 I’d like Alex as my boyfriend too. . I’ve been using Serena
 since
 I
 got this phone in December; have always liked her. I change from time
 to
 time.

 All the best
 Angie

> On 27 Apr 2021, at 15:17, Richard Turner 
> wrote:
>
> Alex has had that breathing sound since the beginning when it was on
> the
> Mac as the default voice.
> When they brought it to the iPhone, they kept him breathing.
> I knew one elderly woman in a retirement center who was losing her
> vision
> and learned how to access her Mac with VoiceOver and from hence forth,
> referred to Alex as her boyfriend, with a huge grin.
>
> I prefer Alex when he is silent, as in not on my iPhone.
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
> but
> what they become by it."
>
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com 
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Robert Doc Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>
> that has always been there..
> - Original Message -
> From: Simon A Fogarty 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:09 PM
> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>
> Hey that little guy inside the device has to be able to breath as
> well,
>
> If you can hear it though,
> Possibly he’s having an asthma attack
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>  > On Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2021 6:31 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>
> I find the breathing pauses in Alex creepy, it’s a f**cking machine
> not
> a
> person. If it breathes, we have problems.
>
> Sent from Mail
> 
> for Windows 10
>
> From: Sieghard Weitzel 
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>
> Just as with headsets, which voice to use is extremely subjective so
> you
> will always get a lot of different answers. I prefer the female SIRI
> voice, of course if I could have Eloquence that would be so fantastic,
> but
> I am afraid it will never happen.
> I dislike Alex for the exact reason most who use him as their voice
> like
> him, he sounds or tries to sound "too human" and I really couldn't
> care
> less if my synthesizer can breath or not.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> 

Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

[Kelly Pierce]

Before I had my iPhone 7, I was limited to the male Siri voice for
Voiceover and Lee on my iPhone 5.  In public, heads would turn when I
used Siri and it spoke in an Australian accent.  Midwestern Americans
reacted like it was a foreign intrusion. I felt like screaming that
the man who recorded this voice has the same ancestry as I do. We just
sound different. There’s no need to freak out.

Kelly



On 4/28/21, Wendy Lin  wrote:
> I use Alex on both my iPhone and Mac. He is the best voice out of all the
> other voices in my opinion. I gave Siri female a try a couple days ago and
> 24 hours later I just couldn’t stand her voice anymore! The way how she
> pronounces the letter B, sounds like she’s saying E.
>
> Wendy
>
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> If you like Serena, then give Kate a try.  She is also very good.  I
>> like Tessa, as well as Lee and sometimes I'll try Oliver.  The Siri
>> Irish voices both male and female are also quite good in my opinion.
>> I also use Serena quite a bit as well.
>>
>> On 4/28/21, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>>> I’d like Alex as my boyfriend too. . I’ve been using Serena since
>>> I
>>> got this phone in December; have always liked her. I change from time to
>>> time.
>>>
>>> All the best
>>> Angie
>>>
 On 27 Apr 2021, at 15:17, Richard Turner 
 wrote:

 Alex has had that breathing sound since the beginning when it was on
 the
 Mac as the default voice.
 When they brought it to the iPhone, they kept him breathing.
 I knew one elderly woman in a retirement center who was losing her
 vision
 and learned how to access her Mac with VoiceOver and from hence forth,
 referred to Alex as her boyfriend, with a huge grin.

 I prefer Alex when he is silent, as in not on my iPhone.


 Richard
 "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
 but
 what they become by it."

 - John Ruskin, 1819-1900


 Web site: www.turner42.com 



 From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
 Robert Doc Wright
 Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:58 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 that has always been there..
 - Original Message -
 From: Simon A Fogarty 
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:09 PM
 Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 Hey that little guy inside the device has to be able to breath as well,

 If you can hear it though,
 Possibly he’s having an asthma attack


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 > On Behalf Of Star Gazer
 Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2021 6:31 am
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 I find the breathing pauses in Alex creepy, it’s a f**cking machine not
 a
 person. If it breathes, we have problems.

 Sent from Mail
 
 for Windows 10

 From: Sieghard Weitzel 
 Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:14 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 Just as with headsets, which voice to use is extremely subjective so
 you
 will always get a lot of different answers. I prefer the female SIRI
 voice, of course if I could have Eloquence that would be so fantastic,
 but
 I am afraid it will never happen.
 I dislike Alex for the exact reason most who use him as their voice
 like
 him, he sounds or tries to sound "too human" and I really couldn't care
 less if my synthesizer can breath or not.

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com
 > On Behalf Of Anthony Vece
 Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 5:19 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 I use the same voice.

 Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Arlene  > wrote:
>
> Someone was asking which Tom we use, it's Tom 

RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Simon A Fogarty]

Your pass code should be something that makes sense to you and you alone,
But not your date of birth or that of someone close to you,

Or at least that is what is suggested,

I would also use more than 4 characters if possible.

Like on my phone I use 6 characters from an id number that relates to me but 
that I haven’t used in 20 years.

It would be something someone could figure out if they new where to look for 
the details.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Thursday, 29 April 2021 4:44 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

, 1234, 11, all those are examples of passcodes where the passcode is 
little better than no passcode at all.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, then your 
phone could becomes theirs.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com


On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn 
<4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
Passcode is the term that they use.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that earlier but when I 
followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode instead of 
password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



The steps are:

One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.

2.  enter your passcode.

3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.

4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next screen.

5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and activate turn 
off passcode again.

Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it will actually turn 
it off.



I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.



Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
 > On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get rid of it. I did 
find in settings what I thought was going to be a place to turn it off but when 
I restarted the phone, it required my 6-digit pass code. I’m very disappointed. 
This is going to make the phone much harder for my wife to use and learn on.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
 > On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



Yes.

There should have been a "Passcode Options" button, after pressing that, the 
last item should be skip, or don't use, something like 

RE: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

[Richard Turner]

You are not alone.
I wish they never removed the speech for the subtle tones.

Later,


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the headsup.  I had my head up ... further than usual and totally 
messed up how quick nav works, got it backwards!


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

Actually Mike,
QuickNav is off when you are entering text, but note that in the VoiceOver 
Typing Feedback settings there are separate settings for software and hardware 
keyboards.
Make sure the Hardware keyboard is set the way you want it.

QuickNav is short for Quick Navigation.  That has to be on when you are trying 
to navigate.  Like using control+up arrow to jump to the top left of the screen.
But when you go into a text field and want to type if QuickNav is on, VoiceOver 
will try to interpret your keystrokes as navigation commands.
Since Apple stopped having VoiceOver speak "QuickNav On or QuickNav off" you 
only have the rising and lowering tones, which are not so distinct as the 
speech would be.

HTH,


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: 
www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

Hi Ann,

I've never been able to type with my K-380 unless quick nav was turned on.  You 
turn it on by pressing both the, left & right arrow keys, simultaneously.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Ann Byrne
To: viPhone list
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:02 PM
Subject: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

I have typing echo set to characters on both the phone and external
keyboards.  When I touch type on the phone, characters are spoken as
I type them; when i use the k480, however, quicknav turned off, the
keyboard just goes clunk and doesn't repeat the characters.  When I
check, they are there; but the phone won't repeat them as I move over
them, so if I need to correct something I have to clear the text and
retype it.  am I missing a setting somewhere, or is this a new
undocumented feature???

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Re: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

[Mike B]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for the headsup.  I had my head up ... further than usual and totally 
messed up how quick nav works, got it backwards!


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: Richard Turner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:42 PM
Subject: RE: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?


Actually Mike,

QuickNav is off when you are entering text, but note that in the VoiceOver 
Typing Feedback settings there are separate settings for software and 
hardware keyboards.

Make sure the Hardware keyboard is set the way you want it.



QuickNav is short for Quick Navigation.  That has to be on when you are 
trying to navigate.  Like using control+up arrow to jump to the top left of 
the screen.

But when you go into a text field and want to type if QuickNav is on, 
VoiceOver will try to interpret your keystrokes as navigation commands.

Since Apple stopped having VoiceOver speak “QuickNav On or QuickNav off” you 
only have the rising and lowering tones, which are not so distinct as the 
speech would be.



HTH,





Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike 
B
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?



Hi Ann,



I've never been able to type with my K-380 unless quick nav was turned on. 
You turn it on by pressing both the, left & right arrow keys, 
simultaneously.





Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: Ann Byrne

To: viPhone list

Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:02 PM

Subject: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?



I have typing echo set to characters on both the phone and external
keyboards.  When I touch type on the phone, characters are spoken as
I type them; when i use the k480, however, quicknav turned off, the
keyboard just goes clunk and doesn't repeat the characters.  When I
check, they are there; but the phone won't repeat them as I move over
them, so if I need to correct something I have to clear the text and
retype it.  am I missing a setting somewhere, or is this a new
undocumented feature???

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Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

[Wendy Lin]

I use Alex on both my iPhone and Mac. He is the best voice out of all the other 
voices in my opinion. I gave Siri female a try a couple days ago and 24 hours 
later I just couldn’t stand her voice anymore! The way how she pronounces the 
letter B, sounds like she’s saying E.

Wendy

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson  wrote:
> 
> If you like Serena, then give Kate a try.  She is also very good.  I
> like Tessa, as well as Lee and sometimes I'll try Oliver.  The Siri
> Irish voices both male and female are also quite good in my opinion.
> I also use Serena quite a bit as well.
> 
> On 4/28/21, Angie Nutt  wrote:
>> I’d like Alex as my boyfriend too. . I’ve been using Serena since I
>> got this phone in December; have always liked her. I change from time to
>> time.
>> 
>> All the best
>> Angie
>> 
>>> On 27 Apr 2021, at 15:17, Richard Turner 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Alex has had that breathing sound since the beginning when it was on the
>>> Mac as the default voice.
>>> When they brought it to the iPhone, they kept him breathing.
>>> I knew one elderly woman in a retirement center who was losing her vision
>>> and learned how to access her Mac with VoiceOver and from hence forth,
>>> referred to Alex as her boyfriend, with a huge grin.
>>> 
>>> I prefer Alex when he is silent, as in not on my iPhone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Richard
>>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
>>> what they become by it."
>>> 
>>> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Web site: www.turner42.com 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>>> Robert Doc Wright
>>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:58 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>> 
>>> that has always been there..
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Simon A Fogarty 
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:09 PM
>>> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>> 
>>> Hey that little guy inside the device has to be able to breath as well,
>>> 
>>> If you can hear it though,
>>> Possibly he’s having an asthma attack
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2021 6:31 am
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>> 
>>> I find the breathing pauses in Alex creepy, it’s a f**cking machine not a
>>> person. If it breathes, we have problems.
>>> 
>>> Sent from Mail
>>> 
>>> for Windows 10
>>> 
>>> From: Sieghard Weitzel 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:14 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>> 
>>> Just as with headsets, which voice to use is extremely subjective so you
>>> will always get a lot of different answers. I prefer the female SIRI
>>> voice, of course if I could have Eloquence that would be so fantastic, but
>>> I am afraid it will never happen.
>>> I dislike Alex for the exact reason most who use him as their voice like
>>> him, he sounds or tries to sound "too human" and I really couldn't care
>>> less if my synthesizer can breath or not.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> >> > On Behalf Of Anthony Vece
>>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 5:19 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>> 
>>> I use the same voice.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!
>>> 
 On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Arlene >>> > wrote:
 
 Someone was asking which Tom we use, it's Tom enhanced. We really like
 his voice. As I said we use Tom on nvda on the computer. Interestingly
 enough, Tom is used for the automated system for the phone carrier total
 wireless.
 - Original Message - From: "Duane Steele"
 mailto:duanestee...@gmail.com>>
 To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
 Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 3:17 PM
 Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
 
 
 Just an observation. I had used Alex for a while, and went back to
 Samantha. Today, because 

RE: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

[Richard Turner]

Actually Mike,
QuickNav is off when you are entering text, but note that in the VoiceOver 
Typing Feedback settings there are separate settings for software and hardware 
keyboards.
Make sure the Hardware keyboard is set the way you want it.

QuickNav is short for Quick Navigation.  That has to be on when you are trying 
to navigate.  Like using control+up arrow to jump to the top left of the screen.
But when you go into a text field and want to type if QuickNav is on, VoiceOver 
will try to interpret your keystrokes as navigation commands.
Since Apple stopped having VoiceOver speak "QuickNav On or QuickNav off" you 
only have the rising and lowering tones, which are not so distinct as the 
speech would be.

HTH,


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

Hi Ann,

I've never been able to type with my K-380 unless quick nav was turned on.  You 
turn it on by pressing both the, left & right arrow keys, simultaneously.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: Ann Byrne
To: viPhone list
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:02 PM
Subject: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

I have typing echo set to characters on both the phone and external
keyboards.  When I touch type on the phone, characters are spoken as
I type them; when i use the k480, however, quicknav turned off, the
keyboard just goes clunk and doesn't repeat the characters.  When I
check, they are there; but the phone won't repeat them as I move over
them, so if I need to correct something I have to clear the text and
retype it.  am I missing a setting somewhere, or is this a new
undocumented feature???

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Hi 

 

Many thanks to you all for your help and good response. I really
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Re: Changing Voiceover help please.

[Mike B]

Holy guacamole, sounds like a total pain in the a**!  Sure hope Apple finds 
a fix for you.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: janet gross
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 6:44 PM
Subject: RE: Changing Voiceover help please.


Hi Mike,

Thank you for this, but I’ve been doing that all day trying to get rid of 
this Siri 4, and I’ve shared screens with Apple, as they wanted to watch the 
steps I was doing, and they said yes I was doing it the right way, but still 
no go.  I can’t even select Tom or Fred, and I already have them downloaded. 
It also shows Samantha is selected as my default.  For some odd reason, this 
Siri 4 is stuck!  LOL!  I never had any problems changing voices before 
until now.  The Apple rep said he will report this to the engineers, and 
call me back this coming Friday at 3:30 central time.  I’m hoping he will 
have a fix for this, as I can’t stand Siri 4!



Janet



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing Voiceover help please.



Hi Janet,



Try the following:

1. Open Settings / Accessibility / VoiceOver



2. Swipe to, Speech, and do a single finger double tap to open.  You should 
hear something like, Voice Siri voice number button.  Do a single finger 
double tap to open this.



3. Swipe to, Samantha and do a single finger double tap to open.  Now swipe 
to, Samantha and do a single finger double tap to select, and Samantha is 
now your VoiceOver voice.

Note: In this same folder you'll probably have an option for Samantha 
enhanced if you want to download and try it.  To get to it just swipe passed 
the first Samantha option.



Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 

From: janet gross

To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'

Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:59 PM

Subject: Changing Voiceover help please.



Hi Everyone,
I recently updated my XR 10 phone to iOS 14.5, and I also changed Voiceover 
voice from Samantha to Siri 4, I don't like the Siri 4, and I want to change 
back to Samantha, but can't find any way to do this.  I did go back in to 
the speech settings, and I set Samantha back as the default, but Siri 4 is 
still speaking.  Can someone please tell me how I might change back to 
Samantha from Siri 4.

Thank you all in advance.

Janet

Peace Be With You.


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RE: Changing Voiceover help please.

[janet gross]

Hi Casey,
Thank you for the reminder, but it is definitely set to US English Language.

Janet
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Casey Wollner
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing Voiceover help please.

Hi also make sure your language is set on US English default.
That might be your trouble as well.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing Voiceover help please.

Hi Mike,
Thank you for this, but I’ve been doing that all day trying to get rid of this 
Siri 4, and I’ve shared screens with Apple, as they wanted to watch the steps I 
was doing, and they said yes I was doing it the right way, but still no go.  I 
can’t even select Tom or Fred, and I already have them downloaded.  It also 
shows Samantha is selected as my default.  For some odd reason, this Siri 4 is 
stuck!  LOL!  I never had any problems changing voices before until now.  The 
Apple rep said he will report this to the engineers, and call me back this 
coming Friday at 3:30 central time.  I’m hoping he will have a fix for this, as 
I can’t stand Siri 4!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing Voiceover help please.

Hi Janet,

Try the following:
1. Open Settings / Accessibility / VoiceOver

2. Swipe to, Speech, and do a single finger double tap to open.  You should 
hear something like, Voice Siri voice number button.  Do a single finger 
double tap to open this.

3. Swipe to, Samantha and do a single finger double tap to open.  Now swipe to, 
Samantha and do a single finger double tap to select, and Samantha is now your 
VoiceOver voice.
Note: In this same folder you'll probably have an option for Samantha enhanced 
if you want to download and try it.  To get to it just swipe passed the first 
Samantha option.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:59 PM
Subject: Changing Voiceover help please.

Hi Everyone,
I recently updated my XR 10 phone to iOS 14.5, and I also changed Voiceover 
voice from Samantha to Siri 4, I don't like the Siri 4, and I want to change 
back to Samantha, but can't find any way to do this.  I did go back in to the 
speech settings, and I set Samantha back as the default, but Siri 4 is still 
speaking.  Can someone please tell me how I might change back to Samantha from 
Siri 4.

Thank you all in advance.

Janet

Peace Be With You.


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RE: Changing Voiceover help please.

[Casey Wollner]

Hi also make sure your language is set on US English default.
That might be your trouble as well.
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Changing Voiceover help please.
 
Hi Mike, 
Thank you for this, but I’ve been doing that all day trying to get rid of this 
Siri 4, and I’ve shared screens with Apple, as they wanted to watch the steps I 
was doing, and they said yes I was doing it the right way, but still no go.  I 
can’t even select Tom or Fred, and I already have them downloaded.  It also 
shows Samantha is selected as my default.  For some odd reason, this Siri 4 is 
stuck!  LOL!  I never had any problems changing voices before until now.  The 
Apple rep said he will report this to the engineers, and call me back this 
coming Friday at 3:30 central time.  I’m hoping he will have a fix for this, as 
I can’t stand Siri 4!  
 
Janet 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing Voiceover help please.
 
Hi Janet,
 
Try the following:
1. Open Settings / Accessibility / VoiceOver 
 
2. Swipe to, Speech, and do a single finger double tap to open.  You should 
hear something like, Voice Siri voice number button.  Do a single finger 
double tap to open this.
 
3. Swipe to, Samantha and do a single finger double tap to open.  Now swipe to, 
Samantha and do a single finger double tap to select, and Samantha is now your 
VoiceOver voice.
Note: In this same folder you'll probably have an option for Samantha enhanced 
if you want to download and try it.  To get to it just swipe passed the first 
Samantha option.
 
Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message - 
From: janet gross   
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'   
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:59 PM
Subject: Changing Voiceover help please.
 
Hi Everyone, 
I recently updated my XR 10 phone to iOS 14.5, and I also changed Voiceover 
voice from Samantha to Siri 4, I don't like the Siri 4, and I want to change 
back to Samantha, but can't find any way to do this.  I did go back in to the 
speech settings, and I set Samantha back as the default, but Siri 4 is still 
speaking.  Can someone please tell me how I might change back to Samantha from 
Siri 4.  

Thank you all in advance. 

Janet  

Peace Be With You. 


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RE: Changing Voiceover help please.

[janet gross]

Hi Mike,
Thank you for this, but I’ve been doing that all day trying to get rid of this 
Siri 4, and I’ve shared screens with Apple, as they wanted to watch the steps I 
was doing, and they said yes I was doing it the right way, but still no go.  I 
can’t even select Tom or Fred, and I already have them downloaded.  It also 
shows Samantha is selected as my default.  For some odd reason, this Siri 4 is 
stuck!  LOL!  I never had any problems changing voices before until now.  The 
Apple rep said he will report this to the engineers, and call me back this 
coming Friday at 3:30 central time.  I’m hoping he will have a fix for this, as 
I can’t stand Siri 4!

Janet

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike B
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing Voiceover help please.

Hi Janet,

Try the following:
1. Open Settings / Accessibility / VoiceOver

2. Swipe to, Speech, and do a single finger double tap to open.  You should 
hear something like, Voice Siri voice number button.  Do a single finger 
double tap to open this.

3. Swipe to, Samantha and do a single finger double tap to open.  Now swipe to, 
Samantha and do a single finger double tap to select, and Samantha is now your 
VoiceOver voice.
Note: In this same folder you'll probably have an option for Samantha enhanced 
if you want to download and try it.  To get to it just swipe passed the first 
Samantha option.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
- Original Message -
From: janet gross
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com'
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:59 PM
Subject: Changing Voiceover help please.

Hi Everyone,
I recently updated my XR 10 phone to iOS 14.5, and I also changed Voiceover 
voice from Samantha to Siri 4, I don't like the Siri 4, and I want to change 
back to Samantha, but can't find any way to do this.  I did go back in to the 
speech settings, and I set Samantha back as the default, but Siri 4 is still 
speaking.  Can someone please tell me how I might change back to Samantha from 
Siri 4.

Thank you all in advance.

Janet

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Re: Changing Voiceover help please.

[Mike B]

Read through the whole thread below to keinda get your head wrapped around 
what needs to be done.

 Original Message
From: Loy
IOS 14.5 has 4 Siri voices with no description of what kind of voice they 
are. So I downloaded all 4 to test them. Now I would like to delete the ones
I don't like, but I can't find a way to do this. Anyone know how?
Loy


From: Dominique Farrell
Yes there is a way to delete them.
When I downloaded two Irish Siri voices to listen to, and then when I wanted 
to delete one, and because there wasn’t a delete option like there is for
the standard VoiceOver voices, I contacted Apple and they advised me to go 
into “LANGUAGE & REGION” in “SETTINGS & GENERAL”, change the region to 
another
one, go back into “VOICEOVER” and the delete option will be there on the 
voice that you want to delete, and when they’re deleted, go back into 
“LANGUAGE
& REGION” again and choose your own region again for saving. I know it’s a 
lengthy process but it does work, but it would be much easier if there was 
just
a delete option like there is for the standard voices that were firstly on 
VoiceOver.

I hope this helps anyone wishing to delete Siri Voices?
Dominique


From: Mike B
Hi Dominique,

Well I thank you very much, this worked like a charm.  It's relatively 
simple as well.  For others that would like to remove the new Siri voices, 
and maybe
others, but I'm not sure, try the following:

Note: I use US English, so make sure you choose a region whose language or 
dialect you'll understand!
1. Go to Settings / General / Language and Region and do a single finger 
double tap to open.

2. Swipe to, Region, and do a single finger double tap to open.

3. Find your region and do a single finger double tap to select.  You'll get 
a confirmation dialogue asking if you're sure you want to change, so single
finger tap the, Change to..., region option.  You might or might not get a 
message stating that your iPhone will restart and it only takes a second or
2.

4. Now go to, Accessibility / Voiceover / Speech, and delete the voices you 
want removed.

5. Now repeat steps 1 thru 3, but selecting your original region.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.



Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
From: Casey Wollner
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:37 PM
Subject: RE: Changing Voiceover help please.


Hi also how can you get rid of unwanted siri voices that you have down 
loaded?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 3:59 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Changing Voiceover help please.

Hi Everyone,
I recently updated my XR 10 phone to iOS 14.5, and I also changed Voiceover 
voice from Samantha to Siri 4, I don't like the
Siri 4, and I want to change back to Samantha, but can't find any way to do 
this.  I did go back in to the speech settings,
and I set Samantha back as the default, but Siri 4 is still speaking.  Can 
someone please tell me how I might change back to
Samantha from Siri 4.

Thank you all in advance.

Janet

Peace Be With You.




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Re: Unwanted drafts showing at bottom of page

[Donna Casteen]

The most recent IOS update release fixed the non deleting draft email bug. I 
suggest going to Settings, General, Update & download & install the update. 
Worried about bugs? Read the release notes on applevis.com

Donna

> 
> Why is it necessary to have two drafts in the drafts folder when deleting 
> it? Wouldn’t it be easier to send it to yourself if you can’t delete it and 
> then delete it that way? Sounds like you’re just making it more difficult.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:11 PM, regina alvarado  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> These are the steps: one. Double tap on compose. Too. Minimize the draft. 
>> That puts two drafts in the draft folder. Three. At the bottom of the page 
>> on the right hand side it will say drafts to .  Double tap on that icon and 
>> it will open up your drafts folder. Swipe  to the right and you will find 
>> two items ,and under the item will be delete draft. delete  the items. by 
>> double tapping on each of  them. they will disappear, and there won’t  be 
>> any drafts in the drafts folder. I hope that  helps you. If you have any 
>> trouble understanding this please ask again.
>> 
>> 
>> Reggie Alvarado 
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RE: How can I transfer my data from my IPhone 8 to my IPhone SE2020 by connecting the 2 phones?

[Alan Lemly]

Eleanor,

I posted a detail list of the steps I took when upgrading from my iPhone 8 to a 
new iPhone SE. Richard Turner was kind enough to save those instructions in a 
Microsoft Word document and post them on his website at this link:

http://www.turner42.com/Setting%20up%20new%20iPhone%20with%20wireless%20transfer%20by%20Alan%20Lemly.docx

You can check out his website for other helpful things at this link:

http://www.turner42.com/

Good luck with your SE 2020.

Alan Lemly

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How can I transfer my data from my IPhone 8 to my IPhone SE2020 by 
connecting the 2 phones?

Hi all 

Hoping someone can help with this. I have an IPhone 8, which I've had for 
years, and a new IPhone SE2020. I'd like to be able to transfer all my data etc 
straight from my IPhone 8 to my SE without having to go through my Mac. Someone 
said once that there was a way of doing it by connecting the 2 phones together, 
and that it was much more secure/reliable. So I just wondered if this was the 
case? What would I need to do it? And how would I go about doing it? 

Sorry for all the questions, but if anyone haas any answers/could give me any 
instructions I'd be really grateful. 

Many thanks 

Eleanor 

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RE: Changing Voiceover help please.

[Casey Wollner]

Hi also how can you get rid of unwanted siri voices that you have down loaded?

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of janet 
gross
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 3:59 PM
To: 'viphone@googlegroups.com' 
Subject: Changing Voiceover help please.

Hi Everyone, 
I recently updated my XR 10 phone to iOS 14.5, and I also changed Voiceover 
voice from Samantha to Siri 4, I don't like the
Siri 4, and I want to change back to Samantha, but can't find any way to do 
this.  I did go back in to the speech settings,
and I set Samantha back as the default, but Siri 4 is still speaking.  Can 
someone please tell me how I might change back to
Samantha from Siri 4.  

Thank you all in advance. 

Janet  

Peace Be With You. 




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Re: Changing Voiceover help please.

[Mike B]

Hi Janet,

Try the following:
1. Open Settings / Accessibility / VoiceOver

2. Swipe to, Speech, and do a single finger double tap to open.  You should 
hear something like, Voice Siri voice number button.  Do a single finger 
double tap to open this.

3. Swipe to, Samantha and do a single finger double tap to open.  Now swipe 
to, Samantha and do a single finger double tap to select, and Samantha is 
now your VoiceOver voice.
Note: In this same folder you'll probably have an option for Samantha 
enhanced if you want to download and try it.  To get to it just swipe passed 
the first Samantha option.

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:59 PM
Subject: Changing Voiceover help please.


Hi Everyone,
I recently updated my XR 10 phone to iOS 14.5, and I also changed Voiceover 
voice from Samantha to Siri 4, I don't like the Siri 4, and I want to change 
back to Samantha, but can't find any way to do this.  I did go back in to 
the speech settings, and I set Samantha back as the default, but Siri 4 is 
still speaking.  Can someone please tell me how I might change back to 
Samantha from Siri 4.

Thank you all in advance.

Janet

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Re: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

[Mike B]

Hi Ann,

I've never been able to type with my K-380 unless quick nav was turned on. 
You turn it on by pressing both the, left & right arrow keys, 
simultaneously.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

- Original Message - 
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To: viPhone list
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 5:02 PM
Subject: Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?


I have typing echo set to characters on both the phone and external
keyboards.  When I touch type on the phone, characters are spoken as
I type them; when i use the k480, however, quicknav turned off, the
keyboard just goes clunk and doesn't repeat the characters.  When I
check, they are there; but the phone won't repeat them as I move over
them, so if I need to correct something I have to clear the text and
retype it.  am I missing a setting somewhere, or is this a new
undocumented feature???

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Typing echo on a bluetooth keyboard?

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I have typing echo set to characters on both the phone and external 
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Re: Unwanted drafts showing at bottom of page

[Shirley Baker]

Why is it necessary to have two drafts in the drafts folder when deleting it? 
Wouldn’t it be easier to send it to yourself if you can’t delete it and then 
delete it that way? Sounds like you’re just making it more difficult.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 28, 2021, at 6:11 PM, regina alvarado  
> wrote:
> 
> These are the steps: one. Double tap on compose. Too. Minimize the draft. 
> That puts two drafts in the draft folder. Three. At the bottom of the page on 
> the right hand side it will say drafts to .  Double tap on that icon and it 
> will open up your drafts folder. Swipe  to the right and you will find two 
> items ,and under the item will be delete draft. delete  the items. by double 
> tapping on each of  them. they will disappear, and there won’t  be any drafts 
> in the drafts folder. I hope that  helps you. If you have any trouble 
> understanding this please ask again.
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Unwanted drafts showing at bottom of page

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These are the steps: one. Double tap on compose. Too. Minimize the draft. That 
puts two drafts in the draft folder. Three. At the bottom of the page on the 
right hand side it will say drafts to .  Double tap on that icon and it will 
open up your drafts folder. Swipe  to the right and you will find two items 
,and under the item will be delete draft. delete  the items. by double tapping 
on each of  them. they will disappear, and there won’t  be any drafts in the 
drafts folder. I hope that  helps you. If you have any trouble understanding 
this please ask again.


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RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Carolyn]

You'd have to do better for repair; they won't take them if they're too easy. 
They said my original 2580 would be too easy to break. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Dennis Long
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 3:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

You need a good strong passcode.  The only time I would make my passcode  
or something like that is if I were taking the phone for repair.  It would be a 
security risk for them to have your actual passcode.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

 

, 1234, 11, all those are examples of passcodes where the passcode is 
little better than no passcode at all.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

 

Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, then your 
phone could becomes theirs. 

 

 

Richard 

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On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

Passcode is the term that they use. 

-Original Message-
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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
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Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that earlier 
but when I followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode 
instead of password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.



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Richard Turner
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The steps are:

One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.

2.  enter your passcode.

3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.

4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next screen.

5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and activate 
turn off passcode again.

Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it will 
actually turn it off.



I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.



Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, 
but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



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There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get rid of 
it. I did find in 

Re: are we allowed to advertise individual items on the list? Have 1 that might be of interest.

[Anna Dresner]

Hi Amy,

Yes, if you get permission from a moderator.

Best,
Anna


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are we allowed to advertise individual items on the list? Have 1 that might be of interest.

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Changing Voiceover help please.

[janet gross]

Hi Everyone, 
I recently updated my XR 10 phone to iOS 14.5, and I also changed Voiceover 
voice from Samantha to Siri 4, I don't like the Siri 4, and I want to change 
back to Samantha, but can't find any way to do this.  I did go back in to the 
speech settings, and I set Samantha back as the default, but Siri 4 is still 
speaking.  Can someone please tell me how I might change back to Samantha from 
Siri 4.  

Thank you all in advance. 

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Re: Innitial help with Accessible Word Ladder game?

[Gerardo Corripio]

thanks for the link, but it’s not available here. When I double-tap, the App 
Store says “ Esta app no está disponible actualmente en tu país o región”.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 28 abr 2021, a la(s) 3:16 p.m., Donna Casteen  
> escribió:
> 
> 
> Here is the link to the Word Ladder game that Anna mentioned. The app is 100% 
> accessible with voiceover. I forgot about this game.
> 
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/word-ladder/id431089283
> 
> Donna
> 
> 
>> 
>> Hello Gerardo,
>> 
>> I have an older game called Word Ladder. There's a list of clues, each of 
>> which is for a word that differs from the last by one letter. The first word 
>> could be heat and the next seat, for example. In that game, I type in a 
>> word, and if it's in the puzzle, the game puts it in the correct position. I 
>> don't know how the one you downloaded handles text entry though. I hope this 
>> is of some help.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A few days ago, Woodside apps came out with an Accessible Word Ladder game, 
>>> which I just purchased, over at
>>> 
>>> https://apps.apple.com/mx/app/accessible-word-ladders/id1562960650
>>> 
>>> Its instructions I feel are too vague! Thus if anyone of you have played 
>>> maybe not this one, but maybe something similar, could give an innitial 
>>> explanation? I see words, double-tap on for instance, the letter G to write 
>>> Guys, after which a grid of letters display; wen I double-tap on the g for 
>>> guys, I hear a sound, but then it returns back to the words and letters.
>>> Thanks in advance for any tips or tricks?
>>> 
>>> Gera
>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Gerardo Corripio]

Same thing happened once; I guess certain codes because of the shape or layout 
of how you’d input them, aren’t recommended or allow?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 28 abr 2021, a la(s) 1:50 p.m., Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> 
> escribió:
> 
> I don't think they will allow one like 1234 or . I wanted 2580, but they 
> would not allow, so I just went with a sixer that's not bad. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:44 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
> 
> , 1234, 11, all those are examples of passcodes where the passcode is 
> little better than no passcode at all.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:52 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
> 
> 
> 
> Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, then your 
> phone could becomes theirs. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
> 
> 
> www.turner42.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
>Passcode is the term that they use. 
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Larry Lumpkin
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
>Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that earlier but 
> when I followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode 
> instead of password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.
>
>
>
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
>
>
>The steps are:
>
>One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.
>
>2.  enter your passcode.
>
>3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.
>
>4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next screen.
>
>5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and activate 
> turn off passcode again.
>
>Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it will actually 
> turn it off.
>
>
>
>I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.
>
>
>
>Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Richard
>
>"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but 
> what they become by it."
>
>- John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
>
>
>Web site: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cf445c6ee6ea34369944308d909cd0233%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637551598366991622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2F4w3vb0k44Y%2Byg4VZHjuXx2kz5iWCa9fFxWpWWDl7FM%3Dreserved=0
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>  
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Larry Lumpkin
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
>
>
>There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get rid of it. I 
> did find in settings what I thought was going to be a place to turn it off 
> but when I restarted the phone, it required my 6-digit pass code. I’m very 
> disappointed. This is going to make the phone much harder for my wife to use 
> and learn on.
>
>
>
>
>
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
>Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 4:30 PM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
>Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
>
>
>Yes. 
>
>There should have been a "Passcode Options" button, after pressing that, 
> the last 

Re: Innitial help with Accessible Word Ladder game?

[MamaPeach]

This one is not set up the same as the old one. I love the old one and play it 
a lot, but this one is different.

From: Anna Dresner 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 3:18 PM
To: VIPhone Mailing List 
Subject: Re: Innitial help with Accessible Word Ladder game?

Hello Gerardo, 

I have an older game called Word Ladder. There's a list of clues, each of which 
is for a word that differs from the last by one letter. The first word could be 
heat and the next seat, for example. In that game, I type in a word, and if 
it's in the puzzle, the game puts it in the correct position. I don't know how 
the one you downloaded handles text entry though. I hope this is of some help.

Best,
Anna



  On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:

  A few days ago, Woodside apps came out with an Accessible Word Ladder game, 
which I just purchased, over at 

  https://apps.apple.com/mx/app/accessible-word-ladders/id1562960650

  Its instructions I feel are too vague! Thus if anyone of you have played 
maybe not this one, but maybe something similar, could give an innitial 
explanation? I see words, double-tap on for instance, the letter G to write 
Guys, after which a grid of letters display; wen I double-tap on the g for 
guys, I hear a sound, but then it returns back to the words and letters.
  Thanks in advance for any tips or tricks?


  Gera 
  Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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Re: Innitial help with Accessible Word Ladder game?

[Donna Casteen]

Here is the link to the Word Ladder game that Anna mentioned. The app is 100% 
accessible with voiceover. I forgot about this game.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/word-ladder/id431089283

Donna


> 
> Hello Gerardo,
> 
> I have an older game called Word Ladder. There's a list of clues, each of 
> which is for a word that differs from the last by one letter. The first word 
> could be heat and the next seat, for example. In that game, I type in a word, 
> and if it's in the puzzle, the game puts it in the correct position. I don't 
> know how the one you downloaded handles text entry though. I hope this is of 
> some help.
> 
> Best,
> Anna
> 
> 
>> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
>> 
>> A few days ago, Woodside apps came out with an Accessible Word Ladder game, 
>> which I just purchased, over at
>> 
>> https://apps.apple.com/mx/app/accessible-word-ladders/id1562960650
>> 
>> Its instructions I feel are too vague! Thus if anyone of you have played 
>> maybe not this one, but maybe something similar, could give an innitial 
>> explanation? I see words, double-tap on for instance, the letter G to write 
>> Guys, after which a grid of letters display; wen I double-tap on the g for 
>> guys, I hear a sound, but then it returns back to the words and letters.
>> Thanks in advance for any tips or tricks?
>> 
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Richard Turner]

You should report it through the beta feedback form as well if you haven't.
I'll report it if you share the case number so the reports will all show up 
under the same issue.



Richard
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On Apr 28, 2021, at 10:52 AM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:


Hello Richard: just wanted to let you know that The problem can also be created 
with Apple Music.
Sieghard, I thought this problem existed earlier than that but yes I am on the 
latest update of iOS and I also can create the problem with the beta software 
for iOS. I have reported it to Apple Accessibility for the current  Version 
14.5 iOS as they don’t track the beta software issues.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Sieghard 
Weitzel 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 11:34:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

Have  you updated to 14.5? This was not an issue prior to that update.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

I use bluetooth speakers and headphones with bard and voice over all the time.  
I've never had a problem where voice over is louder then my bard book.  I also 
have change with buttons off when it comes to volume.

On 4/28/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Which speaker do you have?
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
> but what they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
> Web site: 
> www.turner42.com>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mickey Quenzer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> Hello everybody:
> I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the
> problem with their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the
> problem for them.
> And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it
> throughout the day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else
> can cause the trouble to because it’s very consistent it happens on my
> iPhone X my iPhone
> 12 so I’ll keep you posted.
>
>
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> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf
> of Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your
> phone all the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the
> volume on your speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to
> make sure it is all the way down. Now, start turning up the volume on
> your phone until the volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have
> to turn up the volume on your speaker, rather than the phone.
> Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around with it to see if you can fix 
> it.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer
> mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Richard:
>
> Change with Buttons Is off.
>
>
>
> *** MQ ***
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf
> of Richard Turner
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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> Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
>
> Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.
>
> If that is not off, that’s your problem.
>
> I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.
>
> I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with
> the volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.
> I.E. Its volume stayed normal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
> but what they become by it."
>
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
>
>
> Web site:

Re: Innitial help with Accessible Word Ladder game?

[Anna Dresner]

Hello Gerardo,

I have an older game called Word Ladder. There's a list of clues, each of which 
is for a word that differs from the last by one letter. The first word could be 
heat and the next seat, for example. In that game, I type in a word, and if 
it's in the puzzle, the game puts it in the correct position. I don't know how 
the one you downloaded handles text entry though. I hope this is of some help.

Best,
Anna


> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Gerardo Corripio  wrote:
> 
> A few days ago, Woodside apps came out with an Accessible Word Ladder game, 
> which I just purchased, over at
> 
> https://apps.apple.com/mx/app/accessible-word-ladders/id1562960650 
> 
> 
> Its instructions I feel are too vague! Thus if anyone of you have played 
> maybe not this one, but maybe something similar, could give an innitial 
> explanation? I see words, double-tap on for instance, the letter G to write 
> Guys, after which a grid of letters display; wen I double-tap on the g for 
> guys, I hear a sound, but then it returns back to the words and letters.
> Thanks in advance for any tips or tricks?
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Dennis Long]

You need a good strong passcode.  The only time I would make my passcode  
or something like that is if I were taking the phone for repair.  It would be a 
security risk for them to have your actual passcode.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

 

, 1234, 11, all those are examples of passcodes where the passcode is 
little better than no passcode at all.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

 

Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, then your 
phone could becomes theirs. 

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

www.turner42.com  

 

 

On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net 
 > wrote:

Passcode is the term that they use. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that earlier but when I 
followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode instead of 
password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



The steps are:

One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.

2.  enter your passcode.

3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.

4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next screen.

5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and activate turn 
off passcode again.

Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it will actually turn 
it off.



I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.



Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.







Richard

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they become by it."

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com%20%3cmailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
 > On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com   
 
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get rid of it. I did 
find in settings what I thought was going to be a place to turn it off but when 
I restarted the phone, it required my 6-digit pass code. I’m very disappointed. 
This is going to make the phone much harder for my wife to use and learn 

RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Carolyn]

I don't think they will allow one like 1234 or . I wanted 2580, but they 
would not allow, so I just went with a sixer that's not bad. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 12:44 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

, 1234, 11, all those are examples of passcodes where the passcode is 
little better than no passcode at all.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

 

Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, then your 
phone could becomes theirs. 

 

 

Richard 

"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

 

www.turner42.com

 





On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:

Passcode is the term that they use. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that earlier 
but when I followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode 
instead of password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



The steps are:

One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.

2.  enter your passcode.

3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.

4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next screen.

5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and activate 
turn off passcode again.

Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it will 
actually turn it off.



I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.



Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, 
but what they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get rid of 
it. I did find in settings what I thought was going to be a place to turn it 
off but when I restarted the phone, it required my 6-digit pass code. I’m very 
disappointed. This is going to make the phone much harder for my wife to use 
and learn on.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



Yes. 

There should have been a "Passcode Options" button, after pressing 
that, the last item should be skip, or don't use, something like that.

Worse case, create a simple passcode, then after you are through that 
stage, 

RE: Confirmation Text Messages and Responses

[Carolyn]

How do you get to your message from a locked screen? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Confirmation Text Messages and Responses

If all I have to do is type a single number or letter I just do exactly that 
since it's just as fast as trying to ask SIRI to do it especially if SIRI doing 
it correctly is hit and miss. If my phone is locked I do it right from the lock 
screen and it takes all of 5 seconds.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Confirmation Text Messages and Responses

 

Hi All,

 

Running an SE 2020 iPhone with iOS 14.5.  Y'all know how we get text messages 
to confirm a doctor appointment or meeting with our bail-bondsman and they want 
you to insert a certain letter or number to confirm, cancel or reschedule.  
Well, has anyone figured out a way to do this using dictation reliably?

 

If you say, type a C, for example the text message will say, type a C, and not 
just the letter, C.  I've said, insert 1, and sometimes a 1 is inserted and 
sometimes not.  I've also tried the insert command using a letter like, insert 
C, and insert C, is typed into the text reply.

 

So, if anyone has some reliable dictation commands for these single digit or 
letter insertions, woule you please share?  Thank you very much.

 

 

Stay safe and take care.  Mike.

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RE: Software update process on iPhone

[Fanus Buys]

Hello Sieghard and list
That's exactly what I meant. Our data speed is so slow that this download took 
almost 30 minutes and that is why I like to hear the download percentage so 
that I know the process is still going on. For some reason I have never heard 
the percentage unles I go out of the software update and back again, maybe I 
have not waited long enough because the download is so slow.
Regards
Fanus


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 6:17 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Software update process on iPhone

Maybe it would show up for me as well, but I usually just start the process, do 
a scrub gesture to go back and then I open Software Update again and it's all 
there.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Software update process on iPhone

I have never had this problem. I do know that during the download process, it 
does take a while before the percentage shows up, for me about 10-15%. Same 
behavior for the installation, about 5-10% before the percentage & time are 
displayed. I’ve always chalked up the slight delay to the system gathering 
download time based on my wifi speed.

Donna   
> 
> Hello list
> When I activate the process it starts but when swiping around I do not 
> hear the install time and percentage. I have to double tap on 
> "general" to go back, then tab to "software update" and double tab. 
> Then I can swipe to hear time and percentage. This is happening for 
> each update since I can remember, so I can not understand why on earth 
> Apple does not correct this after so many years. I notified them 
> several times without any success. Do others experience the same? This 
> iPhone 11 is my 4th iPhone since the 3GS and this was the situation on every 
> phone.
> Regards
> Fanus
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Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello Richard: just wanted to let you know that The problem can also be created 
with Apple Music.
Sieghard, I thought this problem existed earlier than that but yes I am on the 
latest update of iOS and I also can create the problem with the beta software 
for iOS. I have reported it to Apple Accessibility for the current  Version 
14.5 iOS as they don’t track the beta software issues.


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Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 11:34:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

Have  you updated to 14.5? This was not an issue prior to that update.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

I use bluetooth speakers and headphones with bard and voice over all the time.  
I've never had a problem where voice over is louder then my bard book.  I also 
have change with buttons off when it comes to volume.

On 4/28/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Which speaker do you have?
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
> but what they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mickey Quenzer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> Hello everybody:
> I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the
> problem with their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the
> problem for them.
> And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it
> throughout the day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else
> can cause the trouble to because it’s very consistent it happens on my
> iPhone X my iPhone
> 12 so I’ll keep you posted.
>
>
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf
> of Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your
> phone all the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the
> volume on your speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to
> make sure it is all the way down. Now, start turning up the volume on
> your phone until the volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have
> to turn up the volume on your speaker, rather than the phone.
> Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around with it to see if you can fix 
> it.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer
> mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Richard:
>
> Change with Buttons Is off.
>
>
>
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf
> of Richard Turner
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
>
> Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.
>
> If that is not off, that’s your problem.
>
> I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.
>
> I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with
> the volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.
> I.E. Its volume stayed normal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it,
> but what they become by it."
>
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
>
>
> Web site:
> www.turner42.com tp%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2F=04%7C01%7C%7Ca6b750118d5f46be158f0
> 8d90a52475c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C6375521707573
> 23419%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJB
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf
> Of Mickey Quenzer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:34 PM
> To: Abridged Recipients
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
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>
>
>
> Steps to reproduce 

Re: Innitial help with Accessible Word Ladder game?

[MamaPeach]

I can’t figure out how to play it either. I have fooled around with it for a 
bit and it just doesn’t make sense.

From: Donna Casteen 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Innitial help with Accessible Word Ladder game?

Hi

I don’t have the game. Based my experience with downloading apps, since the 
introduction of screen recognition, check to see how screen recognition is set. 
If SR is on turn it off & if off turn it on. See if this makes a difference. My 
partner has my debit card, so I can’t buy the game to help problem solve until 
later this afternoon. 

Donna



  A few days ago, Woodside apps came out with an Accessible Word Ladder game, 
which I just purchased, over at 

  https://apps.apple.com/mx/app/accessible-word-ladders/id1562960650

  Its instructions I feel are too vague! Thus if anyone of you have played 
maybe not this one, but maybe something similar, could give an innitial 
explanation? I see words, double-tap on for instance, the letter G to write 
Guys, after which a grid of letters display; wen I double-tap on the g for 
guys, I hear a sound, but then it returns back to the words and letters.
  Thanks in advance for any tips or tricks?


  Gera 
  Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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problem deleting a draft message in iphone

[Anthony Borg]

Hi 

 

I'm noticing that I can't deleting draft messages as I used to do before, so
can any one explain to me if there is another way how to do it please? 

Thanks in advance 

 

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Re: Innitial help with Accessible Word Ladder game?

[Donna Casteen]

Hi

I don’t have the game. Based my experience with downloading apps, since the 
introduction of screen recognition, check to see how screen recognition is set. 
If SR is on turn it off & if off turn it on. See if this makes a difference. My 
partner has my debit card, so I can’t buy the game to help problem solve until 
later this afternoon. 

Donna

> 
> A few days ago, Woodside apps came out with an Accessible Word Ladder game, 
> which I just purchased, over at
> 
> https://apps.apple.com/mx/app/accessible-word-ladders/id1562960650
> 
> Its instructions I feel are too vague! Thus if anyone of you have played 
> maybe not this one, but maybe something similar, could give an innitial 
> explanation? I see words, double-tap on for instance, the letter G to write 
> Guys, after which a grid of letters display; wen I double-tap on the g for 
> guys, I hear a sound, but then it returns back to the words and letters.
> Thanks in advance for any tips or tricks?
> 
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
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Re: "Message body text field is editing...." was RE: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; Follow-u

[Donna Casteen]

Hi,

I don’t use a braille display, so my suggestion is based on my experience using 
my device without any other technology. Have you tried turning on screen 
recognition or turning off screen recognition if it is on?? I have noticed, 
when using my iPhones on screen keyboard, if the cursor jumps around, turning 
on screen recognition if it is off or turning off screen recognition if it is 
on, seems to stop the cursor from jumping around in the app that I may be 
using. If it works it is a solution until Apple fixes the problem.

Donna

> 
> 
> I can confirm that while writing an email, the phrase “message body text 
> field is editing” pops up, so you seem to lose your place and cannot get it 
> back easily without touching the screen.
> Most annoying.
> Any and all who experience this should report it to Apple.
> It is an Apple bug for sure.
>  
>  
>  
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
> 
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com
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>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
> Bomareto
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:37 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Fwd: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it 
> because it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille 
> Display.; Follow-up: 767154754
>  
> FYI: see below.
> 
> Thanks for your prompt attention!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Date: April 28, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM EDT
> To: jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
> it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
> Follow-up: 767154754
> 
> Hello,
>  
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to provide this 
> feedback. We are currently investigating this behavior, and hope to have it 
> resolved in a future software update. 
>  
> Sincerely,
>  
> Apple Accessibility 
>  
> On April 22, 2021 at 16:46:24 PM GMT, jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
> 
>  
> Hello,
>  
> So when I’m typing in an email the display jumps around when I’m  trying to 
> type. And then I have to try to go back and fix since the Braille Display 
> jumps around.  for example, as I’m typing then it backs out so to speak 
> instead if I remember right it talks about edit text field I don’t remember 
> just what it says again as I said this is very very irritating so please fix 
> this when the next version of iOS comes out. So could you guys please please 
> fix this so when I’m typing I can type an email without having to go through 
> all this with this bug and voiceover because as I said it’s very very 
> irritating to me and very very irritating to a lot of other people that use 
> braille displays.
>  
> Thanks for your prompt attention!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Google my business with he iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I have the google My Business app and accessing reviews and messages works well 
for me.
The app has 4 tabs along the bottom: Home, Customers, Profile and More
If you tap on the Customer tab, you then have a heading called "Customers at 
the top, on the top right is a "More" button which contains Send Feedback, 
Messaging Settings and Cancel
Then if you swipe right from that button you have 3 tabs: Reviews, Messages and 
Followers.
If I double tap on Messages all the messages I have received show up and just 
as in the Messages app or Facebook Messenger I can double tap a conversation, I 
then can attach a photo, type a reply and when I'm done tap "Send".
If you want to reply/comment on a review you tap the review, type your 
comment/reply and then look for the "Save" button near the top. It's all very 
accessible.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of John J. 
Fioravanti, Jr.
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 1:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Google my business with he iPhone

Good morning: I just downloaded the app called Google My business on my iPhone. 
The app essentially sends me a message when some one has a question on my law 
website. The problem is that I get the notification that there is an inquiry 
but can't read the message. Is anyone familiar with this app and how to use it?
Thanks.

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RE: How can I transfer my data from my IPhone 8 to my IPhone SE2020 by connecting the 2 phones?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You don't have to connect them physically, when you set up your new phone you 
have an option to set it up using your old phone and it's all done wirelessly. 
Just follow the prompts.

-Original Message-
From: 'Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone  
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 3:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How can I transfer my data from my IPhone 8 to my IPhone SE2020 by 
connecting the 2 phones?

Hi all 

Hoping someone can help with this. I have an IPhone 8, which I've had for 
years, and a new IPhone SE2020. I'd like to be able to transfer all my data etc 
straight from my IPhone 8 to my SE without having to go through my Mac. Someone 
said once that there was a way of doing it by connecting the 2 phones together, 
and that it was much more secure/reliable. So I just wondered if this was the 
case? What would I need to do it? And how would I go about doing it? 

Sorry for all the questions, but if anyone haas any answers/could give me any 
instructions I'd be really grateful. 

Many thanks 

Eleanor 

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RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Sort of like hiding the key under the doormat which of course is the first 
place any burglar would check.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, then your 
phone could becomes theirs.


Richard
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
Passcode is the term that they use.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that earlier but when I 
followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode instead of 
password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



The steps are:

One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.

2.  enter your passcode.

3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.

4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next screen.

5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and activate turn 
off passcode again.

Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it will actually turn 
it off.



I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.



Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.







Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
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Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get rid of it. I did 
find in settings what I thought was going to be a place to turn it off but when 
I restarted the phone, it required my 6-digit pass code. I’m very disappointed. 
This is going to make the phone much harder for my wife to use and learn on.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



Yes.

There should have been a "Passcode Options" button, after pressing that, the 
last item should be skip, or don't use, something like that.

Worse case, create a simple passcode, then after you are through that stage, go 
to the settings for passcodes and fingerprints and enter the passcode, then go 
and turn it off, which will ask you to enter it again.

Once you have jump through those lovely hoops, you will be done with the 
passtcode.





Richard

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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt



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   On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Larry Lumpkin 

RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Sieghard Weitzel]

, 1234, 11, all those are examples of passcodes where the passcode is 
little better than no passcode at all.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:52 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, then your 
phone could becomes theirs.


Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
Passcode is the term that they use.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that earlier but when I 
followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode instead of 
password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



The steps are:

One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.

2.  enter your passcode.

3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.

4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next screen.

5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and activate turn 
off passcode again.

Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it will actually turn 
it off.



I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.



Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.







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From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get rid of it. I did 
find in settings what I thought was going to be a place to turn it off but when 
I restarted the phone, it required my 6-digit pass code. I’m very disappointed. 
This is going to make the phone much harder for my wife to use and learn on.





From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 4:30 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



Yes.

There should have been a "Passcode Options" button, after pressing that, the 
last item should be skip, or don't use, something like that.

Worse case, create a simple passcode, then after you are through that stage, go 
to the settings for passcodes and fingerprints and enter the passcode, then go 
and turn it off, which will ask you to enter it again.

Once you have jump through those lovely hoops, you will be done with the 
passtcode.





Richard

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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt



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   On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Larry Lumpkin 

RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Have  you updated to 14.5? This was not an issue prior to that update.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

I use bluetooth speakers and headphones with bard and voice over all the time.  
I've never had a problem where voice over is louder then my bard book.  I also 
have change with buttons off when it comes to volume.

On 4/28/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Which speaker do you have?
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, 
> but what they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mickey Quenzer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> Hello everybody:
> I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the 
> problem with their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the 
> problem for them.
> And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it 
> throughout the day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else 
> can cause the trouble to because it’s very consistent it happens on my 
> iPhone X my iPhone
> 12 so I’ll keep you posted.
>
>
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf 
> of Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your 
> phone all the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the 
> volume on your speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to 
> make sure it is all the way down. Now, start turning up the volume on 
> your phone until the volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have 
> to turn up the volume on your speaker, rather than the phone. 
> Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around with it to see if you can fix 
> it.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer 
> mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Richard:
>
> Change with Buttons Is off.
>
>
>
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf 
> of Richard Turner 
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
>
> Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.
>
> If that is not off, that’s your problem.
>
> I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.
>
> I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with 
> the volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.
> I.E. Its volume stayed normal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, 
> but what they become by it."
>
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
>
>
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf 
> Of Mickey Quenzer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:34 PM
> To: Abridged Recipients
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
>
>
>
>
> Steps to reproduce the problem
>
> Add a speaker to Bluetooth settings.
>
> Go into bard and start playing a book
>
> Use the volume up and down button to set the volume of the speaker 
> you’re playing through.
>
> While in bard just use voiceover normally.
>
> You’ll find that there are two volumes with voiceover. One of them is 
> the volume that you set in the rotor and the other one is actually 
> unknown to me at this point that one is very loud and uncontrollable.
>
>
>
> Questions:
>
> One which volume setting is that voice coming from? To how do you 
> control that volume?
>
> Notes
>
> If you want to change set your system up to be normal again just 
> 

RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Richard Turner]

Micky,
Does this happen with apps other than BARD?



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
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Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

Hello:
Hey Rich I think you’re correct in fact I’ve never had it happen with AirPlay 
speakers but with Bose speakers that are Bluetooth and also echo speakers that 
are Bluetooth I’ve had it happen so if you can stay away from Bluetooth 
speakers you’re OK.
But if you try to use Bluetooth speakers you should be able to reproduce the 
problem.



*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 10:21:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers


Well, since my speaker doesn’t have that behavior, maybe it is not speaker 
specific, but maybe a class of speakers.

Those are “smart” devices, Smart being a very iffy term, while mine is a dumb 
speaker with no frills.



I will try to connect my iPhone to our Echo Show and see if that happens, which 
should help figure out this crazy tech strangeness.







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Hello Richard:

I have the Bose sound link speakers.

But it doesn’t really matter I also have an echo to and an echo plus and I can 
make the problem happen on them also. So to me it’s not speaker related.





*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:38:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Which speaker do you have?







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: 
www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Hello everybody:

I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the problem with 
their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the problem for them.

And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it throughout the 
day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else can cause the trouble to 
because it’s very consistent it happens on my iPhone X my iPhone 12 so I’ll 
keep you posted.





*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Arnold 
Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your phone all 
the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the volume on your 
speaker all the way down, hit it three or four 

RE: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

[Richard Turner]

Just for the heck of it, pair your phone with your Echo Show 5.
And see what happens.
This may in fact be as much a BARD Mobile bug as a VoiceOver bug.

Micky, does this happen with other apps?




Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

Maybe it's different from phone to phone, but while I can cobnfirm the volume 
fluctuations with my Logitech Wanderboom 2, I would definitely not call them 
"very very loud"m, they are louder and as I swipe and do stuff the volume goes 
up and down, but it's not all that annoying at least not for me on my iPhone 11 
and if I use Airplay this problem does not exist.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

Hi Sieghard

The volume unwanted fluctuations are on the phone only, they are really peaking 
very very loud. It has been confirmed by at least 2 Belgian forum members of my 
whatsapp group.
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> Namens Sieghard 
Weitzel
Verzonden: dinsdag 27 april 2021 18:47
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

I just turned on my Logitech Wanderboom 2 bluetooth speaker with nothing 
playing and after audio switched to the speaker Voiceover sounded entirely 
normal, not loud and certainly not fast. I then played a song using the Music 
app and again turned on the speaker. After the music came out of the speakerr I 
noticed for the first time that Voiceover remained on my device and now it was 
indeed louder and there were sort of times when I swiped where it sounded 
normal and then peaked, not normal, but still no change in Voiceover speech 
rate. I then used the rotor to get to Audio Destination and switched to 
"External Audio". At this point my music played on the bluetooth speaker and 
Voiceover also came through the speaker and here the volume was normal, audio 
ducking worked, but there were no fluctuations in volume.

I then tried the same with my new Sonos Roam except I selected it as an audio 
destination in the Music app which means I used Airplay to send the music. Here 
Voiceover remained on my device as expected and it sounded entirely normal, not 
louder, no volume fluctuations at all.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

If I airplay to our Onkyo receiver, the speech rate of VoiceOver stays the 
same, but the volume does get rather loud on the phone.
The music plays through the receiver just fine and the voice stays on the 
phone, which is great, but the volume is a problem.
I'll report it.


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: 
www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

Hi folks

When connecting a bluetooth speaker voiceover wil start talking on your phone 
at a rate of 100% very loud. This bug was already present but after 1 or 2 
seconds it came back to normal, now VO stays 100%. So please do report this to 
accessibil...@apple.com
Davy
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RE: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe it's different from phone to phone, but while I can cobnfirm the volume 
fluctuations with my Logitech Wanderboom 2, I would definitely not call them 
"very very loud"m, they are louder and as I swipe and do stuff the volume goes 
up and down, but it's not all that annoying at least not for me on my iPhone 11 
and if I use Airplay this problem does not exist.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 9:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

Hi Sieghard

The volume unwanted fluctuations are on the phone only, they are really peaking 
very very loud. It has been confirmed by at least 2 Belgian forum members of my 
whatsapp group.
Davy

Van: viphone@googlegroups.com  Namens Sieghard Weitzel
Verzonden: dinsdag 27 april 2021 18:47
Aan: viphone@googlegroups.com
Onderwerp: RE: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

I just turned on my Logitech Wanderboom 2 bluetooth speaker with nothing 
playing and after audio switched to the speaker Voiceover sounded entirely 
normal, not loud and certainly not fast. I then played a song using the Music 
app and again turned on the speaker. After the music came out of the speakerr I 
noticed for the first time that Voiceover remained on my device and now it was 
indeed louder and there were sort of times when I swiped where it sounded 
normal and then peaked, not normal, but still no change in Voiceover speech 
rate. I then used the rotor to get to Audio Destination and switched to 
"External Audio". At this point my music played on the bluetooth speaker and 
Voiceover also came through the speaker and here the volume was normal, audio 
ducking worked, but there were no fluctuations in volume.

I then tried the same with my new Sonos Roam except I selected it as an audio 
destination in the Music app which means I used Airplay to send the music. Here 
Voiceover remained on my device as expected and it sounded entirely normal, not 
louder, no volume fluctuations at all.


Best regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

If I airplay to our Onkyo receiver, the speech rate of VoiceOver stays the 
same, but the volume does get rather loud on the phone.
The music plays through the receiver just fine and the voice stays on the 
phone, which is great, but the volume is a problem.
I’ll report it.


Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
davycupp...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 8:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: tramendous voiceover bluetooth speaker bug

Hi folks

When connecting a bluetooth speaker voiceover wil start talking on your phone 
at a rate of 100% very loud. This bug was already present but after 1 or 2 
seconds it came back to normal, now VO stays 100%. So please do report this to 
accessibil...@apple.com
Davy
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RE: Software update process on iPhone

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Maybe it would show up for me as well, but I usually just start the process, do 
a scrub gesture to go back and then I open Software Update again and it's all 
there.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Software update process on iPhone

I have never had this problem. I do know that during the download process, it 
does take a while before the percentage shows up, for me about 10-15%. Same 
behavior for the installation, about 5-10% before the percentage & time are 
displayed. I’ve always chalked up the slight delay to the system gathering 
download time based on my wifi speed.

Donna   
> 
> Hello list
> When I activate the process it starts but when swiping around I do not 
> hear the install time and percentage. I have to double tap on 
> "general" to go back, then tab to "software update" and double tab. 
> Then I can swipe to hear time and percentage. This is happening for 
> each update since I can remember, so I can not understand why on earth 
> Apple does not correct this after so many years. I notified them 
> several times without any success. Do others experience the same? This 
> iPhone 11 is my 4th iPhone since the 3GS and this was the situation on every 
> phone.
> Regards
> Fanus
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RE: Confirmation Text Messages and Responses

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If all I have to do is type a single number or letter I just do exactly that 
since it's just as fast as trying to ask SIRI to do it especially if SIRI doing 
it correctly is hit and miss. If my phone is locked I do it right from the lock 
screen and it takes all of 5 seconds.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mike B
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:01 PM
To: viPhone 
Subject: Confirmation Text Messages and Responses

Hi All,

Running an SE 2020 iPhone with iOS 14.5.  Y'all know how we get text messages 
to confirm a doctor appointment or meeting with our bail-bondsman and they want 
you to insert a certain letter or number to confirm, cancel or reschedule.  
Well, has anyone figured out a way to do this using dictation reliably?

If you say, type a C, for example the text message will say, type a C, and not 
just the letter, C.  I've said, insert 1, and sometimes a 1 is inserted and 
sometimes not.  I've also tried the insert command using a letter like, insert 
C, and insert C, is typed into the text reply.

So, if anyone has some reliable dictation commands for these single digit or 
letter insertions, woule you please share?  Thank you very much.


Stay safe and take care.  Mike.
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RE: "Message body text field is editing...." was RE: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; Follow-u

[Richard Turner]

I chose to report this and put Jennie’s follow-up case number in the subject 
line to tie the report to her initial report.
If others want to do that, here is the line to put in the subject field:
Follow-up: 767154754



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:40 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: "Message body text field is editing" was RE: A bug in iOS that 
really needs to be resolved because it because it is very very irritating to me 
when I am typing on my Braille Display.; Follow-up: 767154754

I can confirm that while writing an email, the phrase “message body text field 
is editing” pops up, so you seem to lose your place and cannot get it back 
easily without touching the screen.
Most annoying.
Any and all who experience this should report it to Apple.
It is an Apple bug for sure.



Richard
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they become by it."
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
Follow-up: 767154754

FYI: see below.
Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Apple Accessibility 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Date: April 28, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM EDT
To: 
jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
Follow-up: 767154754
Hello,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to provide this 
feedback. We are currently investigating this behavior, and hope to have it 
resolved in a future software update.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

On April 22, 2021 at 16:46:24 PM GMT, 
jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com
 wrote:

Hello,

So when I’m typing in an email the display jumps around when I’m  trying to 
type. And then I have to try to go back and fix since the Braille Display jumps 
around.  for example, as I’m typing then it backs out so to speak instead if I 
remember right it talks about edit text field I don’t remember just what it 
says again as I said this is very very irritating so please fix this when the 
next version of iOS comes out. So could you guys please please fix this so when 
I’m typing I can type an email without having to go through all this with this 
bug and voiceover because as I said it’s very very irritating to me and very 
very irritating to a lot of other people that use braille displays.

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone
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"Message body text field is editing...." was RE: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; Follow-up: 7

[Richard Turner]

I can confirm that while writing an email, the phrase “message body text field 
is editing” pops up, so you seem to lose your place and cannot get it back 
easily without touching the screen.
Most annoying.
Any and all who experience this should report it to Apple.
It is an Apple bug for sure.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Jenny 
Bomareto
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:37 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Fwd: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
Follow-up: 767154754

FYI: see below.
Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:
From: Apple Accessibility 
mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>>
Date: April 28, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM EDT
To: 
jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
Follow-up: 767154754
Hello,

Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to provide this 
feedback. We are currently investigating this behavior, and hope to have it 
resolved in a future software update.

Sincerely,

Apple Accessibility

On April 22, 2021 at 16:46:24 PM GMT, 
jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com
 wrote:


Hello,

So when I’m typing in an email the display jumps around when I’m  trying to 
type. And then I have to try to go back and fix since the Braille Display jumps 
around.  for example, as I’m typing then it backs out so to speak instead if I 
remember right it talks about edit text field I don’t remember just what it 
says again as I said this is very very irritating so please fix this when the 
next version of iOS comes out. So could you guys please please fix this so when 
I’m typing I can type an email without having to go through all this with this 
bug and voiceover because as I said it’s very very irritating to me and very 
very irritating to a lot of other people that use braille displays.

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Richard Turner]

I duplicated the problem with the Echo Show 5.
What is the case number on your report and I will send a note to Apple 
Accessibility referencing your case number.

Airplay has no issues for me on other devices like the Sonos speakers, but with 
the Echo Show, the only “smart” Bluetooth device I have, it is clearly a 
problem.



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

Hello:
Hey Rich I think you’re correct in fact I’ve never had it happen with AirPlay 
speakers but with Bose speakers that are Bluetooth and also echo speakers that 
are Bluetooth I’ve had it happen so if you can stay away from Bluetooth 
speakers you’re OK.
But if you try to use Bluetooth speakers you should be able to reproduce the 
problem.



*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 10:21:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers


Well, since my speaker doesn’t have that behavior, maybe it is not speaker 
specific, but maybe a class of speakers.

Those are “smart” devices, Smart being a very iffy term, while mine is a dumb 
speaker with no frills.



I will try to connect my iPhone to our Echo Show and see if that happens, which 
should help figure out this crazy tech strangeness.







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: 
www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Hello Richard:

I have the Bose sound link speakers.

But it doesn’t really matter I also have an echo to and an echo plus and I can 
make the problem happen on them also. So to me it’s not speaker related.





*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:38:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Which speaker do you have?







Richard

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they become by it."

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Web site: 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Hello everybody:

I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the problem with 
their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the problem for them.

And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it throughout the 
day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else can cause the trouble to 
because it’s very consistent it happens on my iPhone X my iPhone 12 so I’ll 
keep you posted.





*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Arnold 
Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Fwd: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; Follow-up: 767154754

[Jenny Bomareto]

FYI: see below.

Thanks for your prompt attention!

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Apple Accessibility 
> Date: April 28, 2021 at 10:46:53 AM EDT
> To: jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com
> Subject: Re: A bug in iOS that really needs to be resolved because it because 
> it is very very irritating to me when I am typing on my Braille Display.; 
> Follow-up: 767154754
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Thank you for your email. We appreciate you taking the time to provide this 
> feedback. We are currently investigating this behavior, and hope to have it 
> resolved in a future software update. 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Apple Accessibility 
> 
>> On April 22, 2021 at 16:46:24 PM GMT, jennybomareto.from.flor...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> So when I’m typing in an email the display jumps around when I’m  trying to 
>> type. And then I have to try to go back and fix since the Braille Display 
>> jumps around.  for example, as I’m typing then it backs out so to speak 
>> instead if I remember right it talks about edit text field I don’t remember 
>> just what it says again as I said this is very very irritating so please fix 
>> this when the next version of iOS comes out. So could you guys please please 
>> fix this so when I’m typing I can type an email without having to go through 
>> all this with this bug and voiceover because as I said it’s very very 
>> irritating to me and very very irritating to a lot of other people that use 
>> braille displays.
>> 
>> Thanks for your prompt attention!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello:
Hey Rich I think you’re correct in fact I’ve never had it happen with AirPlay 
speakers but with Bose speakers that are Bluetooth and also echo speakers that 
are Bluetooth I’ve had it happen so if you can stay away from Bluetooth 
speakers you’re OK.
But if you try to use Bluetooth speakers you should be able to reproduce the 
problem.



*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 10:21:46 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers


Well, since my speaker doesn’t have that behavior, maybe it is not speaker 
specific, but maybe a class of speakers.

Those are “smart” devices, Smart being a very iffy term, while mine is a dumb 
speaker with no frills.



I will try to connect my iPhone to our Echo Show and see if that happens, which 
should help figure out this crazy tech strangeness.







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Hello Richard:

I have the Bose sound link speakers.

But it doesn’t really matter I also have an echo to and an echo plus and I can 
make the problem happen on them also. So to me it’s not speaker related.





*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:38:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Which speaker do you have?







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: 
www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Hello everybody:

I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the problem with 
their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the problem for them.

And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it throughout the 
day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else can cause the trouble to 
because it’s very consistent it happens on my iPhone X my iPhone 12 so I’ll 
keep you posted.





*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Arnold 
Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your phone all 
the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the volume on your 
speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to make sure it is all the 
way down. Now, start turning up the volume on your phone until the

volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have to turn up the volume on your 
speaker, rather than the phone. Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around 
with it to see if you can fix it.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer 
mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hello Richard:



Change with Buttons Is off.







*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.

If that is not off, that’s 

RE: Time to grab IOS 14.5

[Sieghard Weitzel]

The reason why I thought the new app worked with the older Bluetooth models was 
because at one point I had downloaded the app to check it out. This was when 
the Smart WiFi was first released so I downloaded the app and it let me go as 
far as creating an account and I am almost certain that in one of the setup 
screens I saw that one could use it with the older Bluetooth Instant Pot as 
well. So now I just checked again the description for the app which is called 
"Remote Control for Smart WiFi" and I read some of the reviews (not good). One 
of the reviews and the reply from Instant Brands clarified this:

Review:
Let me start by saying, don’t bother with the Bluetooth Instant Pot. The BT 
function is useless. It requires this app which has never worked for me. I’ve 
had the BT IP for years. Sometimes the app connects but there was never a 
functioning alarm where it would send you a notification when the IP was done. 
And the Bluetooth range is literally 10 whole feet, unless there’s a wall. Why 
bother? And now the app is even more useless if you can believe it because it 
won’t even load My Devices. So I can’t even connect to the IP. I’ve tried 
deleting the app and reinstalling. Why charge extra for a feature you never 
intended to let people use, Instant Pot?! They have a WiFi IP now but why would 
I ever spend the extra $$ for it when this hasn’t worked since Day One... like 
6 or 7 years ago? Come on, figure it out!
Developer Response:
Thank you for your patience while we resolved the Server Error/My Device issue 
with Smart WiFi. All WiFi connected appliances should be able to function again 
as normal. If your device is not displaying or connected, please close the 
Remote Control for Smart WiFi app, restart and begin the pairing process with 
your Smart WiFi. 
This app is not compatible with the Bluetooth Smart cooker, as support for that 
product has ended, and the most recent iOS update is no longer compatible with 
the Bluetooth Smart app.
If you need additional assistance, we’ve created a Smart WiFi user guide to 
assist you: https://instantpot.com/smart-wifi-60-pairing/#tab-id-2. This will 
guide you step-by-step through the pairing process with your iOS device.
Once again, thank you for your patience. Please reach out to our support team 
if you have any additional difficulties or questions. We apologize for the 
inconvenience that this caused.

I don't think I am going to ever buy one of these gadgets because I don't like 
the company's attitude towards accessibilituy. When the Smart WiFi came out I 
was really looking forward to getting one and then it was even difficult to 
find it here in Canada even though originally this is a Canadian company. 
Sometimes Amazon listed it and sometimes not, sometimes only third party 
sellers listed it for double or triple the price and while it was often on sale 
on Amazon.com, it was always super expensive on Amazon Canada. I contacted the 
company complaining about the different pricing and also the fact that many 
people reported problems with the accessibility of the app and all I ever 
received were platitudes about how Instant Brands strives to make products 
which can be used by all people includding those with disabilities and bla bla 
bla. I asked specific questions and the lady I was talking with never 
specifically answered any of them and finally I gave up.


Best regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Larry 
Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 10:25 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Time to grab IOS 14.5

Can you change the subject please.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Deb Cook 
Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 12:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Time to grab IOS 14.5

Well the question was, could you use the newer app with the old model, I don't 
think so.
The newer app is still in the app store if it would work.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Laury, 
Shawnese (LEO)
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 10:16 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Time to grab IOS 14.5

No, you cannot use the older app with the new model. I have both models.
Thanks 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Deb Cook 
Lewis
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 1:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Time to grab IOS 14.5

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No, you cannot use the newer app with the old pots in my experience.
If someone knows differently, I'm all ears please.
I will lose the Instant Pot and my weight scale when i get a new phone so my 
hope was to keep my 8+ around for just that purpose so I'd like to not lose the 
IP bluetooth model just yet. I know there's always a risk.

On 4/27/21, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> It may help if you mentioned exactly which app you use, e.g. name and 

RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Richard Turner]

Well, since my speaker doesn’t have that behavior, maybe it is not speaker 
specific, but maybe a class of speakers.
Those are “smart” devices, Smart being a very iffy term, while mine is a dumb 
speaker with no frills.

I will try to connect my iPhone to our Echo Show and see if that happens, which 
should help figure out this crazy tech strangeness.



Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."
- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

Web site: www.turner42.com



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

Hello Richard:
I have the Bose sound link speakers.
But it doesn’t really matter I also have an echo to and an echo plus and I can 
make the problem happen on them also. So to me it’s not speaker related.


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:38:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers


Which speaker do you have?







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: 
www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Hello everybody:

I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the problem with 
their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the problem for them.

And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it throughout the 
day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else can cause the trouble to 
because it’s very consistent it happens on my iPhone X my iPhone 12 so I’ll 
keep you posted.





*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Arnold 
Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your phone all 
the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the volume on your 
speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to make sure it is all the 
way down. Now, start turning up the volume on your phone until the

volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have to turn up the volume on your 
speaker, rather than the phone. Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around 
with it to see if you can fix it.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer 
mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hello Richard:



Change with Buttons Is off.







*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.

If that is not off, that’s your problem.

I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.

I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with the 
volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.  I.E. 
Its volume stayed normal.









Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: 

Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

[Joshua Hendrickson]

If you like Serena, then give Kate a try.  She is also very good.  I
like Tessa, as well as Lee and sometimes I'll try Oliver.  The Siri
Irish voices both male and female are also quite good in my opinion.
I also use Serena quite a bit as well.

On 4/28/21, Angie Nutt  wrote:
> I’d like Alex as my boyfriend too. . I’ve been using Serena since I
> got this phone in December; have always liked her. I change from time to
> time.
>
> All the best
> Angie
>
>> On 27 Apr 2021, at 15:17, Richard Turner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Alex has had that breathing sound since the beginning when it was on the
>> Mac as the default voice.
>> When they brought it to the iPhone, they kept him breathing.
>> I knew one elderly woman in a retirement center who was losing her vision
>> and learned how to access her Mac with VoiceOver and from hence forth,
>> referred to Alex as her boyfriend, with a huge grin.
>>
>> I prefer Alex when he is silent, as in not on my iPhone.
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
>> what they become by it."
>>
>> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>>
>>
>> Web site: www.turner42.com 
>>
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Robert Doc Wright
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:58 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>
>> that has always been there..
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Simon A Fogarty 
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:09 PM
>> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>
>> Hey that little guy inside the device has to be able to breath as well,
>>
>> If you can hear it though,
>> Possibly he’s having an asthma attack
>>
>>
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > > On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>> Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2021 6:31 am
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>
>> I find the breathing pauses in Alex creepy, it’s a f**cking machine not a
>> person. If it breathes, we have problems.
>>
>> Sent from Mail
>> 
>> for Windows 10
>>
>> From: Sieghard Weitzel 
>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:14 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>
>> Just as with headsets, which voice to use is extremely subjective so you
>> will always get a lot of different answers. I prefer the female SIRI
>> voice, of course if I could have Eloquence that would be so fantastic, but
>> I am afraid it will never happen.
>> I dislike Alex for the exact reason most who use him as their voice like
>> him, he sounds or tries to sound "too human" and I really couldn't care
>> less if my synthesizer can breath or not.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> > > On Behalf Of Anthony Vece
>> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 5:19 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>>
>> I use the same voice.
>>
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!
>>
>> > On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Arlene > > > wrote:
>> >
>> > Someone was asking which Tom we use, it's Tom enhanced. We really like
>> > his voice. As I said we use Tom on nvda on the computer. Interestingly
>> > enough, Tom is used for the automated system for the phone carrier total
>> > wireless.
>> > - Original Message - From: "Duane Steele"
>> > mailto:duanestee...@gmail.com>>
>> > To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
>> > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 3:17 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>> >
>> >
>> > Just an observation. I had used Alex for a while, and went back to
>> > Samantha. Today, because several of you have mentioned Tom, I decided to
>> > download and try Tom. I like this voice. However, when using my Braille
>> > device, and changing the braille output and input modes, I did notice
>> > that Tom doesn't pronounce the letter t in the words "outpuut and
>> > input". But otherwise, I like Tom's voice. Thanks.
>> >
>> >
>> > Peace & Blessings,
>> > Pastor Duane L. Steele
>> > Phone (276) 730-5194
>> >
>> >> On Apr 25, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Arlene > >> 

Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I use bluetooth speakers and headphones with bard and voice over all
the time.  I've never had a problem where voice over is louder then my
bard book.  I also have change with buttons off when it comes to
volume.

On 4/28/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Which speaker do you have?
>
>
>
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
> what they become by it."
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mickey Quenzer
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> Hello everybody:
> I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the problem
> with their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the problem for
> them.
> And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it throughout
> the day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else can cause the
> trouble to because it’s very consistent it happens on my iPhone X my iPhone
> 12 so I’ll keep you posted.
>
>
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of
> Arnold Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
> I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your phone
> all the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the volume on
> your speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to make sure it is
> all the way down. Now, start turning up the volume on your phone until the
> volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have to turn up the volume on
> your speaker, rather than the phone. Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay
> around with it to see if you can fix it.
>
> Arnold Schmidt
>
> Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2
>
> On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer
> mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hello Richard:
>
> Change with Buttons Is off.
>
>
>
> *** MQ ***
> ***270-776-9871 ***
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of
> Richard Turner
> mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
>
> Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.
>
> If that is not off, that’s your problem.
>
> I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.
>
> I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with the
> volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.
> I.E. Its volume stayed normal.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Richard
>
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but
> what they become by it."
>
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>
>
>
> Web site:
> www.turner42.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of
> Mickey Quenzer
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:34 PM
> To: Abridged Recipients
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
>
>
>
>
>
> Steps to reproduce the problem
>
> Add a speaker to Bluetooth settings.
>
> Go into bard and start playing a book
>
> Use the volume up and down button to set the volume of the speaker you’re
> playing through.
>
> While in bard just use voiceover normally.
>
> You’ll find that there are two volumes with voiceover. One of them is the
> volume that you set in the rotor and the other one is actually unknown to me
> at this point that one is very loud and uncontrollable.
>
>
>
> Questions:
>
> One which volume setting is that voice coming from? To how do you control
> that volume?
>
> Notes
>
> If you want to change set your system up to be normal again just disconnect
> the Bluetooth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello Richard:
I have the Bose sound link speakers.
But it doesn’t really matter I also have an echo to and an echo plus and I can 
make the problem happen on them also. So to me it’s not speaker related.


*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 9:38:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers


Which speaker do you have?







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Hello everybody:

I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the problem with 
their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the problem for them.

And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it throughout the 
day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else can cause the trouble to 
because it’s very consistent it happens on my iPhone X my iPhone 12 so I’ll 
keep you posted.





*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Arnold 
Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your phone all 
the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the volume on your 
speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to make sure it is all the 
way down. Now, start turning up the volume on your phone until the

volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have to turn up the volume on your 
speaker, rather than the phone. Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around 
with it to see if you can fix it.



Arnold Schmidt



Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer 
mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hello Richard:



Change with Buttons Is off.







*** MQ ***

***270-776-9871 ***



From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers



Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.

If that is not off, that’s your problem.

I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.

I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with the 
volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.  I.E. 
Its volume stayed normal.









Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: 
www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:34 PM
To: Abridged Recipients 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers





Steps to reproduce the problem

Add a speaker to Bluetooth settings.

Go into bard and start playing a book

Use the volume up and down button to set the volume of the speaker you’re 
playing through.

While in bard just use voiceover normally.

You’ll find that there are two volumes with voiceover. One of them is the 
volume that you set in the rotor and the other one is actually unknown to me at 
this point that one is very loud and uncontrollable.



Questions:

One which volume setting is that voice coming from? To how do you control that 
volume?

Notes

If you want to change set your system up to be normal again just disconnect the 
Bluetooth







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Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Joshua Hendrickson]

I've got an easy 4 digit passcode.  I don't know why anyone wouldn't
want to use one.  Not having one is really dumb in my opinion.  But we
do have a choice which is great.

On 4/28/21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> That sounds like a good one, Gera, and one not easily figured out by someone
> trying to get into your business.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Gerardo Corripio
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>
> I use the 4 last digits of a phone number I had while growing up. Use
> something easy, but at the same time, significant to you.
>
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel
>
>
>   El 27 abr 2021, a la(s) 5:52 p.m., Richard Turner
>  escribió:
>   
>   
>
>   
>   Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, then
> your phone could becomes theirs.
>
>
>
>   Richard
>   "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds
> discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
>
>   www.turner42.com
>
>
>
>   On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> 
> wrote:
>   
>   
>
>   Passcode is the term that they use.
>   
>   -Original Message-
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Larry Lumpkin
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>   
>   Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that 
> earlier but
> when I followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode
> instead of password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.
>   
>   
>   
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
> Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>   Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>   
>   
>   
>   The steps are:
>   
>   One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.
>   
>   2.  enter your passcode.
>   
>   3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.
>   
>   4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next 
> screen.
>   
>   5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and 
> activate
> turn off passcode again.
>   
>   Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it 
> will actually
> turn it off.
>   
>   
>   
>   I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.
>   
>   
>   
>   Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   Richard
>   
>   "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get 
> for it, but
> what they become by it."
>   
>   - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
>   
>   
>   
>   Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cf445c6ee6ea34369944308d909cd0233%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637551598366991622%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2F4w3vb0k44Y%2Byg4VZHjuXx2kz5iWCa9fFxWpWWDl7FM%3Dreserved=0
> 
>
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   
>   From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of
> Larry Lumpkin
>   Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
>   To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>   Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
>   
>   
>   
>   There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get 
> rid of it. I
> did find in settings what I 

RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Carolyn]

That sounds like a good one, Gera, and one not easily figured out by someone 
trying to get into your business. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

I use the 4 last digits of a phone number I had while growing up. Use something 
easy, but at the same time, significant to you.


Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel


El 27 abr 2021, a la(s) 5:52 p.m., Richard Turner 
 escribió:



 
Just know that if it is easy, it is easy for someone to figure out, 
then your phone could becomes theirs. 



Richard 
"Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds 
discuss people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

www.turner42.com



On Apr 27, 2021, at 3:37 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> 
wrote:



Passcode is the term that they use. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that 
earlier but when I followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my 
passcode instead of password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.



From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



The steps are:

One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.

2.  enter your passcode.

3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.

4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next 
screen.

5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and 
activate turn off passcode again.

Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it 
will actually turn it off.



I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.



Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.







Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get 
for it, but what they become by it."

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages



There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get 
rid of it. I did find in settings what I thought was going to be a place to 
turn it off but when I restarted the phone, it required my 6-digit pass code. 
I’m very disappointed. This is going to make the phone much harder for my wife 
to use and learn on.




   

RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

[Carolyn]

It asked for mine, which is a six number one, but the numbers were not like on 
a keypad. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages

On my end,it didn’t ask me for my Apple ID; only before reaching the options of 
adding Fingerprints, change Pass Code, etc., it wanted me to enter, in my case, 
my 4-digit code. However, I wasn’t able to make the virtual numpad appear! I 
used the Braille-Input to enter the code.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

> El 27 abr 2021, a la(s) 5:37 p.m., Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> 
> escribió:
> 
> Passcode is the term that they use. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:18 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
> 
> Thanks Richard. Great steps. I thought I’d gone through that earlier but when 
> I followed your steps exactly, it worked. It asked for my passcode instead of 
> password but entered it and it took. Again, Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 5:09 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
> 
> 
> 
> The steps are:
> 
> One, open settings, Touch ID and Passcode.
> 
> 2.  enter your passcode.
> 
> 3.  Find the button that says Turn Off passcode and double tap.
> 
> 4.  You will have to confirm you want to do this on the next screen.
> 
> 5.  You will be asked for your Apple ID password, enter it and activate turn 
> off passcode again.
> 
> Lastly, you will have to enter your passcode again before it will actually 
> turn it off.
> 
> 
> 
> I just did it and rebooted and it stay off.
> 
> 
> 
> Now, I recreated it because I want the protection of a passcode.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
> 
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
> 
> 
> 
> Web site: www.turner42.com  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Larry Lumpkin
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:56 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: RE: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
> 
> 
> 
> There wasn’t such a button. Now that I’ve got it, I can’t get rid of it. I 
> did find in settings what I thought was going to be a place to turn it off 
> but when I restarted the phone, it required my 6-digit pass code. I’m very 
> disappointed. This is going to make the phone much harder for my wife to use 
> and learn on.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 4:30 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
> Subject: Re: IoS 14.5 won't let me get past the code pages
> 
> 
> 
> Yes. 
> 
> There should have been a "Passcode Options" button, after pressing that, the 
> last item should be skip, or don't use, something like that.
> 
> Worse case, create a simple passcode, then after you are through that stage, 
> go to the settings for passcodes and fingerprints and enter the passcode, 
> then go and turn it off, which will ask you to enter it again.
> 
> Once you have jump through those lovely hoops, you will be done with the 
> passtcode.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard 
> 
> "Great minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, small minds discuss 
> people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt
> 
> 
> 
> www.turner42.com  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>On Apr 27, 2021, at 2:22 PM, Larry Lumpkin   > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>Hi, I updated the se2020 to 14.5 and can’t get past the pass code screen. 
> It lets me skip touch id but I’m in a loop on the pass code screen. I don’t 
> want either and can’ seem to get around this. Am I missing something?
> 
> 
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RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Richard Turner]

Which speaker do you have?



Richard
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 7:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

Hello everybody:
I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the problem with 
their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the problem for them.
And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it throughout the 
day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else can cause the trouble to 
because it’s very consistent it happens on my iPhone X my iPhone 12 so I’ll 
keep you posted.


*** MQ ***
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of Arnold 
Schmidt mailto:als5...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your phone all 
the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the volume on your 
speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to make sure it is all the 
way down. Now, start turning up the volume on your phone until the
volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have to turn up the volume on your 
speaker, rather than the phone. Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around 
with it to see if you can fix it.

Arnold Schmidt

Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer 
mailto:mickey.quen...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Richard:

Change with Buttons Is off.



*** MQ ***
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> on behalf of 
Richard Turner mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers


Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.

If that is not off, that’s your problem.

I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.

I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with the 
volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.  I.E. 
Its volume stayed normal.









Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: 
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:34 PM
To: Abridged Recipients 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
Subject: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers





Steps to reproduce the problem

Add a speaker to Bluetooth settings.

Go into bard and start playing a book

Use the volume up and down button to set the volume of the speaker you’re 
playing through.

While in bard just use voiceover normally.

You’ll find that there are two volumes with voiceover. One of them is the 
volume that you set in the rotor and the other one is actually unknown to me at 
this point that one is very loud and uncontrollable.



Questions:

One which volume setting is that voice coming from? To how do you control that 
volume?

Notes

If you want to change set your system up to be normal again just disconnect the 
Bluetooth







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Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello everybody:
I was able to get a hold of Apple accessibility and they log the problem with 
their Apple support tools. I was able to duplicate the problem for them.
And Arnold your fix didn’t change anything but I’ll play with it throughout the 
day. Thanks for your suggestion. I hope somebody else can cause the trouble to 
because it’s very consistent it happens on my iPhone X my iPhone 12 so I’ll 
keep you posted.


*** MQ ***
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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Arnold 
Schmidt 
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2021 8:09:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your phone all 
the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the volume on your 
speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to make sure it is all the 
way down. Now, start turning up the volume on your phone until the
volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have to turn up the volume on your 
speaker, rather than the phone. Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around 
with it to see if you can fix it.

Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:


Hello Richard:

Change with Buttons Is off.



*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers


Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.

If that is not off, that’s your problem.

I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.

I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with the 
volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.  I.E. 
Its volume stayed normal.









Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:34 PM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers





Steps to reproduce the problem

Add a speaker to Bluetooth settings.

Go into bard and start playing a book

Use the volume up and down button to set the volume of the speaker you’re 
playing through.

While in bard just use voiceover normally.

You’ll find that there are two volumes with voiceover. One of them is the 
volume that you set in the rotor and the other one is actually unknown to me at 
this point that one is very loud and uncontrollable.



Questions:

One which volume setting is that voice coming from? To how do you control that 
volume?

Notes

If you want to change set your system up to be normal again just disconnect the 
Bluetooth







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Innitial help with Accessible Word Ladder game?

[Gerardo Corripio]

A few days ago, Woodside apps came out with an Accessible Word Ladder game, 
which I just purchased, over at

https://apps.apple.com/mx/app/accessible-word-ladders/id1562960650

Its instructions I feel are too vague! Thus if anyone of you have played maybe 
not this one, but maybe something similar, could give an innitial explanation? 
I see words, double-tap on for instance, the letter G to write Guys, after 
which a grid of letters display; wen I double-tap on the g for guys, I hear a 
sound, but then it returns back to the words and letters.
Thanks in advance for any tips or tricks?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE (2nd Generation) de Telcel

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Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Arnold Schmidt]

I wonder if this might help. When it happens, turn the volume on your phone all 
the way down, until you don't hear anything. Now, turn the volume on your 
speaker all the way down, hit it three or four times to make sure it is all the 
way down. Now, start turning up the volume on your phone until the
volume is what you want. Or, sometimes, you have to turn up the volume on your 
speaker, rather than the phone. Sometimes one, sometimes the other. Lay around 
with it to see if you can fix it. 

Arnold Schmidt


Sent from  Arnold's  iPhone S E 2

On Apr 28, 2021, at 8:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:


Hello Richard:

Change with Buttons Is off.



*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
 
Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.
If that is not off, that’s your problem.
I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.
I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with the 
volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.  I.E. 
Its volume stayed normal.
 
 
 
 
Richard
"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 
Web site: www.turner42.com
 
 
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:34 PM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers
 
 
Steps to reproduce the problem
Add a speaker to Bluetooth settings.
Go into bard and start playing a book
Use the volume up and down button to set the volume of the speaker you’re 
playing through.
While in bard just use voiceover normally.
You’ll find that there are two volumes with voiceover. One of them is the 
volume that you set in the rotor and the other one is actually unknown to me at 
this point that one is very loud and uncontrollable.
 
Questions:
One which volume setting is that voice coming from? To how do you control that 
volume?
Notes
If you want to change set your system up to be normal again just disconnect the 
Bluetooth 
 
 
 
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Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Richard Turner]

Well, it is still a mystery then, because my bluetooth speaker works perfectly 
fine.
Have you tried calling Apple accessibility and seeing if they would do a screen 
share with you while this is happening so maybe they could run a diagnostic to 
isolate the issue?



Richard
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people." -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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On Apr 28, 2021, at 5:18 AM, Mickey Quenzer  wrote:


Hello Richard:

Change with Buttons Is off.



*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers


Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.

If that is not off, that’s your problem.

I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.

I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with the 
volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.  I.E. 
Its volume stayed normal.









Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: 
www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:34 PM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers





Steps to reproduce the problem

Add a speaker to Bluetooth settings.

Go into bard and start playing a book

Use the volume up and down button to set the volume of the speaker you’re 
playing through.

While in bard just use voiceover normally.

You’ll find that there are two volumes with voiceover. One of them is the 
volume that you set in the rotor and the other one is actually unknown to me at 
this point that one is very loud and uncontrollable.



Questions:

One which volume setting is that voice coming from? To how do you control that 
volume?

Notes

If you want to change set your system up to be normal again just disconnect the 
Bluetooth







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Re: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers

[Mickey Quenzer]

Hello Richard:

Change with Buttons Is off.



*** MQ ***
***270-776-9871 ***

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Richard 
Turner 
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:10:10 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers


Check your settings, Sound, change with buttons.

If that is not off, that’s your problem.

I keep that setting off, so the volume buttons don’t mess with VoiceOver.

I just connected a Bluetooth speaker, played a BARD book, playing with the 
volume buttons all over the place, and VoiceOver never got out of line.  I.E. 
Its volume stayed normal.









Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900



Web site: www.turner42.com







From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mickey 
Quenzer
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 3:34 PM
To: Abridged Recipients 
Subject: Voiceover problem while using Bluetooth speakers





Steps to reproduce the problem

Add a speaker to Bluetooth settings.

Go into bard and start playing a book

Use the volume up and down button to set the volume of the speaker you’re 
playing through.

While in bard just use voiceover normally.

You’ll find that there are two volumes with voiceover. One of them is the 
volume that you set in the rotor and the other one is actually unknown to me at 
this point that one is very loud and uncontrollable.



Questions:

One which volume setting is that voice coming from? To how do you control that 
volume?

Notes

If you want to change set your system up to be normal again just disconnect the 
Bluetooth







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How can I transfer my data from my IPhone 8 to my IPhone SE2020 by connecting the 2 phones?

['Eleanor Roberts' via VIPhone]

Hi all 

Hoping someone can help with this. I have an IPhone 8, which I've had for 
years, and a new IPhone SE2020. I'd like to be able to transfer all my data etc 
straight from my IPhone 8 to my SE without having to go through my Mac. Someone 
said once that there was a way of doing it by connecting the 2 phones together, 
and that it was much more secure/reliable. So I just wondered if this was the 
case? What would I need to do it? And how would I go about doing it? 

Sorry for all the questions, but if anyone haas any answers/could give me any 
instructions I'd be really grateful. 

Many thanks 

Eleanor 

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“Hello all,”

[Jenny Bomareto]

Open my shared note:

Hello all,
Notes


Thanks for your prompt attention!

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Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

[Angie Nutt]

I’d like Alex as my boyfriend too. . I’ve been using Serena since I got 
this phone in December; have always liked her. I change from time to time.

All the best
Angie

> On 27 Apr 2021, at 15:17, Richard Turner  wrote:
> 
> Alex has had that breathing sound since the beginning when it was on the Mac 
> as the default voice.
> When they brought it to the iPhone, they kept him breathing.
> I knew one elderly woman in a retirement center who was losing her vision and 
> learned how to access her Mac with VoiceOver and from hence forth, referred 
> to Alex as her boyfriend, with a huge grin.
>  
> I prefer Alex when he is silent, as in not on my iPhone.
>  
>  
> Richard
> "The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
> they become by it."
> 
> - John Ruskin, 1819-1900
> 
>  
> Web site: www.turner42.com 
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Robert 
> Doc Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:58 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>  
> that has always been there..
> - Original Message - 
> From: Simon A Fogarty 
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:09 PM
> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>  
> Hey that little guy inside the device has to be able to breath as well,
>  
> If you can hear it though,
> Possibly he’s having an asthma attack 
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Star Gazer
> Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2021 6:31 am
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>  
> I find the breathing pauses in Alex creepy, it’s a f**cking machine not a 
> person. If it breathes, we have problems.
>  
> Sent from Mail 
> 
>  for Windows 10
>  
> From: Sieghard Weitzel 
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:14 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>  
> Just as with headsets, which voice to use is extremely subjective so you will 
> always get a lot of different answers. I prefer the female SIRI voice, of 
> course if I could have Eloquence that would be so fantastic, but I am afraid 
> it will never happen.
> I dislike Alex for the exact reason most who use him as their voice like him, 
> he sounds or tries to sound "too human" and I really couldn't care less if my 
> synthesizer can breath or not.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
>  > On Behalf Of Anthony Vece
> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 5:19 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
> Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
>  
> I use the same voice.
>  
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!
>  
> > On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Arlene  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Someone was asking which Tom we use, it's Tom enhanced. We really like his 
> > voice. As I said we use Tom on nvda on the computer. Interestingly enough, 
> > Tom is used for the automated system for the phone carrier total wireless.
> > - Original Message - From: "Duane Steele" 
> > mailto:duanestee...@gmail.com>>
> > To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 3:17 PM
> > Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice
> > 
> > 
> > Just an observation. I had used Alex for a while, and went back to 
> > Samantha. Today, because several of you have mentioned Tom, I decided to 
> > download and try Tom. I like this voice. However, when using my Braille 
> > device, and changing the braille output and input modes, I did notice that 
> > Tom doesn't pronounce the letter t in the words "outpuut and input". But 
> > otherwise, I like Tom's voice. Thanks.
> > 
> > 
> > Peace & Blessings,
> > Pastor Duane L. Steele
> > Phone (276) 730-5194
> > 
> >> On Apr 25, 2021, at 2:59 PM, Arlene  >> > wrote:
> >> 
> >> We also use Tom on the iPhone, and also on nvda on the computer.
> >> - Original Message - From: "Star Gazer" 
> >> mailto:pickrellrebe...@gmail.com>>
> >> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>>
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2021 2:41 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Interesting 

Google my business with he iPhone

[John J. Fioravanti, Jr.]

Good morning: I just downloaded the app called Google My business on my iPhone. 
The app essentially sends me a message when some one has a question on my law 
website. The problem is that I get the notification that there is an inquiry 
but can't read the message. Is anyone familiar with this app and how to use it?

Thanks. 

 

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RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

[juanhernandez98]

Hahaha, I love that little old  lady, I wish I could have met her hah

 

And I agree about alex, I still use Samantha compact for my day to day tts

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Simon A 
Fogarty
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 7:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 

That’s rather humorous 

 She had the deep breathing from her computer rather than the phone.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Wednesday, 28 April 2021 2:17 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 

Alex has had that breathing sound since the beginning when it was on the Mac as 
the default voice.

When they brought it to the iPhone, they kept him breathing.

I knew one elderly woman in a retirement center who was losing her vision and 
learned how to access her Mac with VoiceOver and from hence forth, referred to 
Alex as her boyfriend, with a huge grin.

 

I prefer Alex when he is silent, as in not on my iPhone.

 

 

Richard

"The highest reward for a person's toil is not what they get for it, but what 
they become by it."

- John Ruskin, 1819-1900

 

Web site:   www.turner42.com

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Robert Doc Wright
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2021 6:58 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 

that has always been there..

- Original Message - 

From: Simon A Fogarty   

To: viphone@googlegroups.com   

Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 6:09 PM

Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 

Hey that little guy inside the device has to be able to breath as well,

 

If you can hear it though,

Possibly he’s having an asthma attack 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Tuesday, 27 April 2021 6:31 am
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 

I find the breathing pauses in Alex creepy, it’s a f**cking machine not a 
person. If it breathes, we have problems. 

 

Sent from Mail 

  for Windows 10

 

From: Sieghard Weitzel  
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 12:14 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com  
Subject: RE: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 

Just as with headsets, which voice to use is extremely subjective so you will 
always get a lot of different answers. I prefer the female SIRI voice, of 
course if I could have Eloquence that would be so fantastic, but I am afraid it 
will never happen.

I dislike Alex for the exact reason most who use him as their voice like him, 
he sounds or tries to sound "too human" and I really couldn't care less if my 
synthesizer can breath or not.

 

-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com   
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Anthony Vece

Sent: Monday, April 26, 2021 5:19 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com  

Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

 

I use the same voice.

 

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 12 Pro!!!

 

> On Apr 26, 2021, at 8:11 AM, Arlene   > wrote:

> 

> Someone was asking which Tom we use, it's Tom enhanced. We really like his 
> voice. As I said we use Tom on nvda on the computer. Interestingly enough, 
> Tom is used for the automated system for the phone carrier total wireless.

> - Original Message - From: "Duane Steele" 

> mailto:duanestee...@gmail.com> >

> To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> >

> Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2021 3:17 PM

> Subject: Re: Interesting discovery with Voiceover, and the Alex voice

> 

> 

> Just an observation. I had used Alex for a while, and went back to Samantha. 
> Today, because several of you have mentioned Tom, I decided to download and 
> try Tom. I like this voice. However, when using my Braille device, and 
> changing the braille output and input modes, I did notice that Tom doesn't 
> pronounce the letter t in the words "outpuut 

xcode files missing in navigator

[juanhernandez98]

HI All,

 

So I have some files missing from my xcode project.

 

Online it says that there is a filter bar at the bottom of navigator, with a
little clock icon button, and to uncheck it because that just shows most
recent.  How can we with voiceover access this?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Best,

 

Juan

 

 

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