Re: Bose frames

2021-12-28 Thread Robert Doc Wright
One reason you might want the app is that when in use it provides a wigit that keeps track of your battery level while the frames are in use. - Original Message - From: "Dan Yates" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 4:11 PM Subject: Re: Bose frames Hey everyone, I have just gotten

RE: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book

2021-12-28 Thread Richard Turner
I agree Gordan. I didn't mention how long it took, he assumed a lot. He is completely wrong. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 5:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book

Re: Turning On VoiceOver on iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Donna Casteen
Hold the power button & ask Siri to turn voiceover on. Donna > >  > Not sure what to suggest, if it's a brand new phone which was never set up > and you do a quick and steady triple press of the side button Voiceover > should come on. > If you bought this from an Apple Store in Vancouver

RE: Turning On VoiceOver on iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Not sure what to suggest, if it's a brand new phone which was never set up and you do a quick and steady triple press of the side button Voiceover should come on. If you bought this from an Apple Store in Vancouver you could always take it back there and get them to help you. From:

Re: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Donna Casteen
It has been my experience, people had rather complain, whine throw pity parties & choose not to heed advice or follow through with provided assistance. Guess it takes less effort to do the above than it does to try to help oneself at least halfway. > > Donna >  > Some people want help, but

RE: Turning On VoiceOver on iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Fazil M.
Thanks much, I have done that several times and VO is not coming up. I thought the volume might be low or the phone is mute so I unmuted phone and used headphone while raising volume when trying to get VO with triple clicking sidebutton. Thanks! From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of

RE: Turning On VoiceOver on iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
If it's a brand new phone press the side button (on the right side near the top) 3 times quickly and Voiceover should come on. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Fazil M. Sent: December 28, 2021 12:19 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Turning On VoiceOver on iPhone12? Hi,

Re: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Mike B.
What you say is very true, but in other cases there needs to be a certain amount of trust built before some folks will let you into their world. I've never helped this person, so I'll find out one way or the other if she likes being miserable or will accept help from someone outside her circle

RE: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Some people want help, but when you offer it they won't act on it and then they are miserable because nobody helps them. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Mike B. Sent: December 28, 2021 5:59 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated Hi Alan,

Re: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Alan Lemly
Hi Mike, I've no doubt you'll do everything in your power to help your friend. I just hope she listens to your suggestions and that she effectively communicates what's actually happening. I think directing her to Apple Accessibility is a wise move. Alan Lemly Sent from my iPhone with

RE: Issue With Brand New iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Fazil M.
Voiceover is not available and we are trying hard to get voiceover in order to follow your step-by-step-instructions. Thanks! From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Diane Giannetti Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 4:58 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Issue With Brand

Problem editing videos

2021-12-28 Thread Kathy Brandt
This same thing happened a few updates back: in the Photos app, if you want to trim the beginning and end off of a video, the done button is dimmed so that you can’t do anything with it even when I tried turning VoiceOver off, Plus, if you want to preview how your clip is if deciding you need

RE: Gestures for the AirPods 3rd generation

2021-12-28 Thread Debbie Downey
HI Christopher, When my AirPods first connected for which I was surprised that they did that so quickly; the gestures were read aloud to me but then disappeared and I haven’t been able to find them since other than on the Apple Support page. That is where it said that the touch gestures on

Re: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Mike B.
Hi Alan, I agree with you whole heartedly, but getting this person to respond to email and fill in the blanks to explain what's actually happening has been a no go so far. I asked this person if I could listen to her use her iPhone over her land line so I could hear what's being reported or

RE: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book

2021-12-28 Thread llumpkin
I think he was being tongue in cheek but probably needed to say so. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Gordon Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 7:50 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book Totally uncalled for. On

Re: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book

2021-12-28 Thread Gordon
Totally uncalled for. On 12/28/2021 6:30 PM, Anthony Vece wrote: Well, I’ll tell you what Rich that’s really a stellar stellar stellar job that you took on. I can’t imagine spending that much time doing all this. I mean I have to eat I have to sleep I have to pray and do errands around the

RE: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Alan Lemly
Mike, I hate to potentially misinterpret a post but the problem you described sounds like a sighted person used to using an iPhone in a certain way with no knowledge of Voiceover is trying to advise your friend who also has no knowledge of Voiceover. We would be a lot more likely to help if

Re: Issue With Brand New iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Diane Giannetti
What you can do, go into settings, go into accessibility, then go way over to the right keep going until you get to shortcut for it says shortcut before that but it says and you double tap on that and you get all the suggestions you want for short cut VoiceOver is one of them so double tap on

RE: Gestures for the AirPods 3rd generation

2021-12-28 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Sounds like what you were looking for isn't in the more information section, but one thing I forgot to add is that your AirPods need to be connected before you'll see those gestures you can change in the more information. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook From:

Re: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book

2021-12-28 Thread Anthony Vece
Well, I’ll tell you what Rich that’s really a stellar stellar stellar job that you took on. I can’t imagine spending that much time doing all this. I mean I have to eat I have to sleep I have to pray and do errands around the house. I can’t understand a lot of people who have entirely too much

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread blazie.girl
Could they be closed for the holidays? Lots of places do that nowadays. Vivian and Sallie From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of ms.sunflowe...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 3:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: accessible battery pack I would be

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Dennis Long
I have had good response on emailing them I’ll keep the group posted. I did email about the issues. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of ms.sunflowe...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 6:39 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: accessible battery pack I would be

RE: Issue With Brand New iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Fazil M.
It is a brand new phone and I don’t know much about it. The phone is not setup yet nor was Siri, should I assume that Siri is turned on by default? If yes, How can I invoke her? By holding the Side-Button? Thanks! From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Alex Stone Sent: Tuesday,

Re: Issue With Brand New iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Alex Stone
If Siri is turned on, you can ask it to turn on voiceover. Sent from my iPhone On 28 Dec 2021, at 23:27, Fazil M. wrote:  Hi, Group. Today, I got brand new iPhone12. The girl in the store who processed my order, asked me whether she should turn on accessibility? I said ‘yes’, I thought she

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread ms.sunflower61
I was using my Windows laptop and found the unlabeled button. Yep, I’ll kick back and wait. Tammy From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 4:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: accessible battery pack Thanks Tammy. Well,

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread ms.sunflower61
I would be interested to know your results. I am a bit hesitant to do business with a company that I have issues contacting. Even the tech support hung up on me when I tried calling. That can’t be a good business practice. Thanks! Tammy From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis

Issue With Brand New iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Fazil M.
Hi, Group. Today, I got brand new iPhone12. The girl in the store who processed my order, asked me whether she should turn on accessibility? I said 'yes', I thought she meant Voiceover. When I came home, I noticed that Voiceover was not turned on. I pressed Side-button three-times quickly like

Re: Bose frames

2021-12-28 Thread Dan Yates
Hey everyone, I have just gotten my Bose frame tenors and can’t say enough about how pleased I have been with this purchase. They are just what I wanted. I am able to go out in public whether in a restaurant or on walks and play soft music, make phone calls, etc. while moving about without

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Dennis Long
Tamy on that check out page there is an option to check out with paypal. I also ran into that error. I wonder if checking out wit PayPal would fix it. I did email them about the address issue and will see what they say. Tempted to use PayPal and see if it fixes it. From:

Re: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Donna Casteen
Have her use two fingers & tap the screen four times to open up accessibility quick access, swipe down to screen recognition & tap to turn the feature off. This can be done while the problem app is open. Let me know if this works for her. Donna ichard, > > This person has only had this

Re: My Neffew got Air pods for christmass and I looked it them.

2021-12-28 Thread Dan Yates
My AirPods Pro, that I got one year ago, work great, no concerns about VoiceOver and cost around $250. S Dan ent from my iPhone > On Dec 28, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: > >  > Pairing is supposed to be easy, you just open the case and it will pop up on > your phone; then

Re: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Duane Steele
Thanks Tammy. Well, I'm using safari and when I double-tap on the button that says 1, nothing happens. I've also tried calling the 800 number, and no matter what button you press, the number hangs up. So I guess I'll wait till someone actually gets one of these batteries and that person can

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread ms.sunflower61
You can get to the shopping cart by looking for the button that says “1”. After that you will find a link to check out. I just tried having this item sent to 2 different states and was told that they can not deliver to these addresses. Interesting! Everything else has found its way to my

RE: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book

2021-12-28 Thread Mo
Hi, enjoyed reading about the scanner here. what is the voice dream list that was mentioned previously? If related to the apps would be interested. Is is an email list? Thank you. Mo. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: 28

Re: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Mike B.
Hi Richard, This person has only had this iPhone, and it's her first iPhone, for 2 weeks. If she can't get sighted help how can she turn off Screen Recognition on her own? I'm asking in case Screen Recognition isn't in the rotor. Thanks much. Stay safe & take care. Mike. Just once, I

Re: Communicating In French?

2021-12-28 Thread doug parisian
And, it's all your fault, serves you right for being Canadian. I'm Canadian too eh! I get messages from amazon in both French and English. On 2021-12-28 3:07 p.m., Fazil M. wrote: I am not sure what I have done somewhere, now Apple sends me messages in French, how can I change this, please?

Communicating In French?

2021-12-28 Thread Fazil M.
I am not sure what I have done somewhere, now Apple sends me messages in French, how can I change this, please? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that

Re: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi, I wonder if by "swipe" she actually means "scroll." For sighted people, swiping is how you scroll the screen. In that case, she can use a three-finger swipe. Best, Anna > On Dec 28, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Mike B. wrote: > > Hi all, > > an acquaintance is having a problem with a new iPhone

RE: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book

2021-12-28 Thread Gary Bowers
Richard - Thanks for the tips. You're a sharp guy! -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 1:49 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: FW: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book Greetings, I have a book that was

RE: Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Richard Turner
Probably that damnable screen recognition is on. Settings, Accessibility, VoiceOver, VoiceOver Recognition, Screen Recognition turn it off. Check to see if it is in the rotor, if so, when VoiceOver is on, turn the rotor to Screen Recognition and flick up or down to off, then turn the rotor away

Can't Swipe With Voiceover Activated

2021-12-28 Thread Mike B.
Hi all, an acquaintance is having a problem with a new iPhone 12 mini. Can someone help her out? Her query is below. Yes, Mike it is an I phone the problem now is that it will not allow me or my sighted neighbor to swipe when it is in voice over. When she turns off voice over it has no

Nespresso App

2021-12-28 Thread Agent086b
Hi all, can anybody use the Naspresso App? Thanks for any advice. Max. -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the

Re: Setting Face ID on iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Jennie Facer
Hi Fazil, You have to hold the phone away from you with the screen pointed right at your chest. When it tells you to, slowly tilt your head in a circle. It will guide you through it. Just remember to do it slowly. Jenn Jenn and Kumi > On Dec 28, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Fazil M. wrote: > >  > Hi,

Re: Turning On VoiceOver on iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Jennie Facer
Press the side button on the right three times quickly. Hope this helps, Jenn and Kumi > On Dec 28, 2021, at 1:19 PM, Fazil M. wrote: > >  > Hi, group. > How can I turn on Voiceover on iPhone12, please? > Thanks! > > > -- > The following information is important for all members of the V

Setting Face ID on iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Fazil M.
Hi, Group. How can I set up Face ID on iPhone12, please? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the

Turning On VoiceOver on iPhone12?

2021-12-28 Thread Fazil M.
Hi, group. How can I turn on Voiceover on iPhone12, please? Thanks! -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact

FW: Voice Dream Scanner scanning a book

2021-12-28 Thread Richard Turner
Greetings, I have a book that was gifted to me by the author after we had served together for several years on the Oregon State Library Board. When I got to the end of my term, he gave me a signed copy of his book, "Oregon Disasters" by William L. Sullivan, an Oregon travel writer. It had

Re: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Duane Steele
I'm using my iPhone and Safari. I successfully added it to my cart, but never could find the check out page anywhere. I'll try calling again later or maybe even next week. > On Dec 28, 2021, at 1:49 PM, Dennis Long wrote: > >  > I found the same thing when I called however I am on the

RE: headphones with volume adjustment for hearing aids user

2021-12-28 Thread Tony
You can get a short audio extension cable with a volume control for a couple of bucks. Tony From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Cher Bosch Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 12:41 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: headphones with volume adjustment for hearing aids user

Re: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread CHELA Robles
Even though I have an offbrand one, I will get this one sometime in January. The offbrand one has a screen in the middle and it’s easily legible. It can charge three devices so I’ll keep that but I will keep the other one that I want to buy in January this one that you speak of, as a back up

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Dennis Long
I found the same thing when I called however I am on the checkout page. What screen reader are you using? From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Duane Steele Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 1:38 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: accessible battery pack Dennis, Although

headphones with volume adjustment for hearing aids user

2021-12-28 Thread Cher Bosch
The Apple headphones fit with his in-the-ear hearing aids, but the volume adjustment only works with Apple devices. Can anyone advise us re a similar style of headphone which will amplify sound? Thanks much. Cher -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list.

Re: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Duane Steele
Dennis, Although I add my affirmation concerning this charger, I also add an update. I went to the link and tried to purchase the charger just now. (It's shortly after 1pm Eastern time. I was able to add it to my cart, but could find no place on the page to check out and purchase the product. I

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Dennis Long
Yes it does. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Richard Turner Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 1:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: accessible battery pack Dennis, that looks like a great charger. Richard “One can’t be angry when one looks at a

RE: how to create a rule in iphone

2021-12-28 Thread Richard Turner
You can't. Richard "One can't be angry when one looks at a penguin." ~ John Ruskin My web site; https://www.turner42.com/ From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 9:18 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: how to create a rule in

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Richard Turner
Dennis, that looks like a great charger. Richard "One can't be angry when one looks at a penguin." ~ John Ruskin My web site; https://www.turner42.com/ From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 9:36 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject:

RE: My Neffew got Air pods for christmass and I looked it them.

2021-12-28 Thread chrisjudge1967
Hey Mich: I have the air pods pro. I got them a little over a year ago. I think I paid around $269 at Costco. They are easy to pair. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of mich verrier Sent: December 28, 2021 9:24 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: My Neffew got Air pods for

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Dennis Long
If you click the link it will take you there. This looks like the one they came out a few years ago but better. It supports fast charging etc. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Casey Wollner Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 12:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE:

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread MamaPeach
If you click on the item he gave in his email, it will take you to the page that tells you all about it. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Casey Wollner Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 12:21 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: accessible

RE: accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Casey Wollner
Hi is the accessible and can you give us anymore information about this power bank? From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Dennis Long Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 3:52 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: accessible battery pack Energrid VS820PD 20,000mAh Power Bank – Energrid

RE: how to create a rule in iphone

2021-12-28 Thread Dennis Long
I’m not sure you can. I’m following this thread. From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Anthony Borg Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2021 11:45 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: how to create a rule in iphone Hi Can anyone explain to me how to create a rule in iphone inbox

RE: My Neffew got Air pods for christmass and I looked it them.

2021-12-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
How are the new Airpods these days if you want to use them with an iPhone and an Apple Watch? If thye are paired with both do they switch seamlessly, e.g. if I am listening to an audio book on my iPhone and a notification comes in and I use my Apple Watch to check it, will the book pause, I

RE: My Neffew got Air pods for christmass and I looked it them.

2021-12-28 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Pairing is supposed to be easy, you just open the case and it will pop up on your phone; then again most Bluetooth headsets or earpieces are easy to pair. As for cost, remember to add that you are in Canada since it doesn't do you much good if people tell you they are $179 which is what they

how to create a rule in iphone

2021-12-28 Thread Anthony Borg
Hi Can anyone explain to me how to create a rule in iphone inbox to get certain emails to get in a specific folder? Thanks in advance Anthony -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of

Re: Voice Dream Reader with a braille display

2021-12-28 Thread Woody Anna Dresner
Hi Richard, I agree that Dream Reader works well with braille. You can control how much of the screen is taken up by text. Having only a couple of lines makes it less likely that you will lose your place, which can happen if you have a lot of lines onscreen and accidentally touch text that is

Re: Voice Dream Reader with a braille display

2021-12-28 Thread Jennie Facer
Hi Richard, I really don’t have too much problems with Voice Dream Reader with my Braille display. I do have to pan through a lot of settings before i can get to the book, but i can do it. It reads pretty well after that. Hope this helps, Jenn Jenn and Kumi > On Dec 27, 2021, at 4:54 PM,

RE: Gestures for the AirPods 3rd generation

2021-12-28 Thread Debbie Downey
Hello Christopher, Actually, if I flick up to more info and double tap; it gives me some of the info but not what I’m looking for. So, I did what I should have done and searched on Google for the touch gestures for the AirPods 3rd generation. It turns out that these gestures are preset

Re: My Neffew got Air pods for christmass and I looked it them.

2021-12-28 Thread Chris Chaffin
They are extremely easy to pare with your phone. In fact, they should automatically pare once they see your phone. The new 3rd generation is $230 Canadian, and the previous version, 2nd generation is $166 Canadian. Hope this helps. Chris > On Dec 28, 2021, at 8:24 AM, mich verrier wrote: >

Re: My Neffew got Air pods for christmass and I looked it them.

2021-12-28 Thread 'Crayton Benner' via VIPhone
I don’t remember the cost, but I can tell you with voice over, They are wonderfull > On Dec 28, 2021, at 08:24, mich verrier wrote: > > Hi my neffew got Air pods I think it was the third jen they are the ones with > the magnetic case and I had a chance to look at them. I am wondering what are

My Neffew got Air pods for christmass and I looked it them.

2021-12-28 Thread mich verrier
Hi my neffew got Air pods I think it was the third jen they are the ones with the magnetic case and I had a chance to look at them. I am wondering what are the cost of air pods? Of korce my neffew beaing sighted he doesn't use voiceover but for those who are blind and vi on this list who have air

Re: Gestures for the AirPods 3rd generation

2021-12-28 Thread 'Crayton Benner' via VIPhone
That’s what I did, and it worked. > On Dec 28, 2021, at 08:00, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > > Not sure if it’s in the same place as my Airpod Pros, but try Settings -> > Bluetooth and then go into More Info on your AirPods. You can get to this by > doing a flick down when you get to the

RE: Gestures for the AirPods 3rd generation

2021-12-28 Thread Christopher Chaltain
Not sure if it's in the same place as my Airpod Pros, but try Settings -> Bluetooth and then go into More Info on your AirPods. You can get to this by doing a flick down when you get to the entry for your AirPods. -- Christopher (AKA CJ) Chaltain at Outlook From: viphone@googlegroups.com On

accessible battery pack

2021-12-28 Thread Dennis Long
Energrid VS820PD 20,000mAh Power Bank - Energrid Accessibility -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of

RE: Has anyone received a message, that their phone has been hacked?

2021-12-28 Thread Simon A Fogarty
That's crap, Don't go and download it, Any chance you've just downloaded something you didn't expect to download -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com On Behalf Of Stacy Fuehrer Sent: Tuesday, 28 December 2021 6:02 pm To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Has anyone