Re: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-21 Thread Jennie Facer
Hi,

I just wanted to download and see if I could give any insight as to what may be 
going on here, and I see all of the buttons as labeled also. It tells me what 
they are.

Jenn

Sent from my iPad

 On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Pinky pink...@abe.midco.net wrote:
 
 Ester,
 I downloaded the Big Calculator Free app.  All the number buttons work with
 VO.  The equals,plus,minus and other buttons do not work with VO.  All it
 says on those when I put my finger on them is button.  Are you having the
 same issues with your Big Calculator Fee app?
 
 Ed
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Esther
 Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:05 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: Simple calculator for iPad
 
 Yes, Big Calc Free works very well with VoiceOver on the iPad.  It may be
 because there is an in-app purchase option to use this as a talking
 calculator that the accessibility is so good.  Of course, you don't need to
 purchase that option.  And when I said that you could check the contents of
 the memory register by simply touching the key for it on the keypad, I meant
 exactly that: a blind VoiceOver user who starts adding items to the memory
 register will find that once there are numbers in the memory register its
 key label on the keypad updates to the register contents, so touching that
 key now gives the number in that register instead of MR.
 
 The only thing is that you need to double or split tap keys to enter
 numbers.
 
 Sorry I pasted in the App Store URL again for the mail archive post with my
 detailed description:
 . Re: Calculator for iPad
 http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone%40googlegroups.com/msg59283.html
 The App Store link is:
 Big Calculator Free (free iPad app) by Tioga Designs LLC
 https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8
 
 You could also try VOCalc, which is a paid app, for $0.99, I think
 
 Cheers, 
 
 Esther
 
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Re: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-21 Thread Esther
Hi Jenn,

Thank goodness the button labels are showing up for someone else!  I 
thought I was going delusional, since I've been using this app with 
VoiceOver for a year now, and I also checked this app loaded onto an iPad 
running the same iOS version and model as Ed is having problems with.  Can 
I ask which iPad you're using?  I've checked the Big Calculator Free app on 
a first generation iPad Mini running iOS 6.1.2, and a fourth generation 
iPad running iOS 7.0.4.

I relabeled three buttons: the memory register buttons are labeled as MC, 
M+, M-, and MR corresponding to the iPhone labels of Memory Clear, 
Memory Add, Memory Subtract, and Memory Recall.  The app uses a 
hyphen symbol for the minus sign, and it isn't pronounced by VoiceOver 
appended to the M, so I relabeled the third button to add the word 
minus to the end of the field.  The buttons for x squared and x cubed 
that precede square root x were also relabeled to include the second 
word, because you hear VO say the x: separately for the 2 and 3.

I really like this calculator app, so I'm glad it really is still 
accessible!

Cheers,

Esther

On Saturday, December 21, 2013 12:53:23 PM UTC-10, Jennie Facer wrote:

 Hi, 

 I just wanted to download and see if I could give any insight as to what 
 may be going on here, and I see all of the buttons as labeled also. It 
 tells me what they are. 

 Jenn 

 Sent from my iPad 

  On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Pinky wrote: 
  
  Ester, 
  I downloaded the Big Calculator Free app.  All the number buttons work 
 with 
  VO.  The equals,plus,minus and other buttons do not work with VO.  All 
 it 
  says on those when I put my finger on them is button.  Are you having 
 the 
  same issues with your Big Calculator Fee app? 
  
  Ed 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto:
 vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:] On Behalf 
  Of Esther 
  Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:05 PM 
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
  Subject: RE: Simple calculator for iPad 
  
  Yes, Big Calc Free works very well with VoiceOver on the iPad.  It may 
 be 
  because there is an in-app purchase option to use this as a talking 
  calculator that the accessibility is so good.  Of course, you don't need 
 to 
  purchase that option.  And when I said that you could check the contents 
 of 
  the memory register by simply touching the key for it on the keypad, I 
 meant 
  exactly that: a blind VoiceOver user who starts adding items to the 
 memory 
  register will find that once there are numbers in the memory register 
 its 
  key label on the keypad updates to the register contents, so touching 
 that 
  key now gives the number in that register instead of MR. 
  
  The only thing is that you need to double or split tap keys to enter 
  numbers. 
  
  Sorry I pasted in the App Store URL again for the mail archive post with 
 my 
  detailed description: 
  . Re: Calculator for iPad 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone%40googlegroups.com/msg59283.html 
  The App Store link is: 
  Big Calculator Free (free iPad app) by Tioga Designs LLC 
  https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8 
  
  You could also try VOCalc, which is a paid app, for $0.99, I think 
  
  Cheers, 
  
  Esther 
  
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Re: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-21 Thread Jennie Facer
Hi,

I am using an iPad mini with version 7.0.4.

Jenn

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 21, 2013, at 4:14 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Hi Jenn,
 
 Thank goodness the button labels are showing up for someone else!  I thought 
 I was going delusional, since I've been using this app with VoiceOver for a 
 year now, and I also checked this app loaded onto an iPad running the same 
 iOS version and model as Ed is having problems with.  Can I ask which iPad 
 you're using?  I've checked the Big Calculator Free app on a first generation 
 iPad Mini running iOS 6.1.2, and a fourth generation iPad running iOS 7.0.4.
 
 I relabeled three buttons: the memory register buttons are labeled as MC, 
 M+, M-, and MR corresponding to the iPhone labels of Memory Clear, 
 Memory Add, Memory Subtract, and Memory Recall.  The app uses a hyphen 
 symbol for the minus sign, and it isn't pronounced by VoiceOver appended to 
 the M, so I relabeled the third button to add the word minus to the end 
 of the field.  The buttons for x squared and x cubed that precede square 
 root x were also relabeled to include the second word, because you hear VO 
 say the x: separately for the 2 and 3.
 
 I really like this calculator app, so I'm glad it really is still accessible!
 
 Cheers,
 
 Esther
 
 On Saturday, December 21, 2013 12:53:23 PM UTC-10, Jennie Facer wrote:
 Hi, 
 
 I just wanted to download and see if I could give any insight as to what may 
 be going on here, and I see all of the buttons as labeled also. It tells me 
 what they are. 
 
 Jenn 
 
 Sent from my iPad 
 
  On Dec 20, 2013, at 5:11 PM, Pinky wrote: 
  
  Ester, 
  I downloaded the Big Calculator Free app.  All the number buttons work 
  with 
  VO.  The equals,plus,minus and other buttons do not work with VO.  All it 
  says on those when I put my finger on them is button.  Are you having the 
  same issues with your Big Calculator Fee app? 
  
  Ed 
  
  -Original Message- 
  From: vip...@googlegroups.com [mailto:vip...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
  Of Esther 
  Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 5:05 PM 
  To: vip...@googlegroups.com 
  Subject: RE: Simple calculator for iPad 
  
  Yes, Big Calc Free works very well with VoiceOver on the iPad.  It may be 
  because there is an in-app purchase option to use this as a talking 
  calculator that the accessibility is so good.  Of course, you don't need 
  to 
  purchase that option.  And when I said that you could check the contents 
  of 
  the memory register by simply touching the key for it on the keypad, I 
  meant 
  exactly that: a blind VoiceOver user who starts adding items to the memory 
  register will find that once there are numbers in the memory register its 
  key label on the keypad updates to the register contents, so touching that 
  key now gives the number in that register instead of MR. 
  
  The only thing is that you need to double or split tap keys to enter 
  numbers. 
  
  Sorry I pasted in the App Store URL again for the mail archive post with 
  my 
  detailed description: 
  . Re: Calculator for iPad 
  http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone%40googlegroups.com/msg59283.html 
  The App Store link is: 
  Big Calculator Free (free iPad app) by Tioga Designs LLC 
  https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8 
  
  You could also try VOCalc, which is a paid app, for $0.99, I think 
  
  Cheers, 
  
  Esther 
  
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Re: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Mike
I haven’t tried that one but you could take a look at one called Speaking 
Calculator. I’ve heard from a friend that it works very well.

Mike Malarsie
www.malarsie.com
On Dec 20, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Pinky pink...@abe.midco.net wrote:

 Hi
  
 Does anyone know of a simple calculator app for the iPad that is accessible?  
  I know the iPhone comes with a calculator but the iPad does not.  Not sure 
 why that is.
  
 Thanks in advance
  
 Ed
 
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Re: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread RobH.
VOCalc springs to mind;  quite cheap, maybe free.  watch out for 
capitalisation of spelling.
- Original Message - 
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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 7:10 PM
Subject: Simple calculator for iPad


Hi



Does anyone know of a simple calculator app for the iPad that is accessible?
I know the iPhone comes with a calculator but the iPad does not.  Not sure
why that is.



Thanks in advance



Ed

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Re: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Esther
Hi, 
I recommend Big Calculator Free by Tioga Designs, LLC:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8

The Big Calc Free app has some features that even VOCalc doesn't have -- like 
being able to check the contents of your memory sum register just by touching 
the key on the keyboard, and having a simple key and method for per cent 
calculations of either tax or tips with minimal keystrokes and a few more keys 
for volume and area calculations even though this is a simple keyboard.

There's a more extensive description of how to use and set up the app in my 
archived post:
• Re: Calculator for iPad
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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RE: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Pinky
Is the Big Calculator Free work with VO?

Ed

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Of Esther
Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 3:22 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Simple calculator for iPad

Hi, 
I recommend Big Calculator Free by Tioga Designs, LLC:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8

The Big Calc Free app has some features that even VOCalc doesn't have --
like being able to check the contents of your memory sum register just by
touching the key on the keyboard, and having a simple key and method for per
cent calculations of either tax or tips with minimal keystrokes and a few
more keys for volume and area calculations even though this is a simple
keyboard.

There's a more extensive description of how to use and set up the app in my
archived post:
. Re: Calculator for iPad
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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RE: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Pinky
I downloaded this calculator and there are a bunch of buttons that just say
button.  So is there any way to label the buttons as to what they are?

Ed

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Subject: Re: Simple calculator for iPad

Hi, 
I recommend Big Calculator Free by Tioga Designs, LLC:
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8

The Big Calc Free app has some features that even VOCalc doesn't have --
like being able to check the contents of your memory sum register just by
touching the key on the keyboard, and having a simple key and method for per
cent calculations of either tax or tips with minimal keystrokes and a few
more keys for volume and area calculations even though this is a simple
keyboard.

There's a more extensive description of how to use and set up the app in my
archived post:
. Re: Calculator for iPad
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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RE: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Esther
Yes, Big Calc Free works very well with VoiceOver on the iPad.  It may be 
because there is an in-app purchase option to use this as a talking calculator 
that the accessibility is so good.  Of course, you don't need to purchase that 
option.  And when I said that you could check the contents of the memory 
register by simply touching the key for it on the keypad, I meant exactly that: 
a blind VoiceOver user who starts adding items to the memory register will find 
that once there are numbers in the memory register its key label on the keypad 
updates to the register contents, so touching that key now gives the number in 
that register instead of MR.

The only thing is that you need to double or split tap keys to enter numbers.

Sorry I pasted in the App Store URL again for the mail archive post with my 
detailed description:
• Re: Calculator for iPad
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone%40googlegroups.com/msg59283.html
The App Store link is:
Big Calculator Free (free iPad app) by Tioga Designs LLC
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8

You could also try VOCalc, which is a paid app, for $0.99, I think

Cheers, 

Esther

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RE: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Esther
It's weird if you have unlabeled buttons. The only unlabeled buttons were under 
the paper tape section, where the button covers the text area of the subsequent 
text. So if you ignore the unlabeled button and flick right to the text, you 
get to exactly the same navigation controls. Are you in landscape or portrait 
mode?

This app is most easily used in Portrait mode.  That also means the paper tape 
area -- which is simply the record you can check or email -- is in a pop up and 
out of the way of the main calculating area.

This was described in my archived forum post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone%40googlegroups.com/msg59283.html

Esther

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RE: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Pinky
Ester,
I downloaded the Big Calculator Free app.  All the number buttons work with
VO.  The equals,plus,minus and other buttons do not work with VO.  All it
says on those when I put my finger on them is button.  Are you having the
same issues with your Big Calculator Fee app?

Ed

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Yes, Big Calc Free works very well with VoiceOver on the iPad.  It may be
because there is an in-app purchase option to use this as a talking
calculator that the accessibility is so good.  Of course, you don't need to
purchase that option.  And when I said that you could check the contents of
the memory register by simply touching the key for it on the keypad, I meant
exactly that: a blind VoiceOver user who starts adding items to the memory
register will find that once there are numbers in the memory register its
key label on the keypad updates to the register contents, so touching that
key now gives the number in that register instead of MR.

The only thing is that you need to double or split tap keys to enter
numbers.

Sorry I pasted in the App Store URL again for the mail archive post with my
detailed description:
. Re: Calculator for iPad
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone%40googlegroups.com/msg59283.html
The App Store link is:
Big Calculator Free (free iPad app) by Tioga Designs LLC
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8

You could also try VOCalc, which is a paid app, for $0.99, I think

Cheers, 

Esther

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RE: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Pinky
Esther,
I am using portrait mode.

Ed,


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It's weird if you have unlabeled buttons. The only unlabeled buttons were
under the paper tape section, where the button covers the text area of the
subsequent text. So if you ignore the unlabeled button and flick right to
the text, you get to exactly the same navigation controls. Are you in
landscape or portrait mode?

This app is most easily used in Portrait mode.  That also means the paper
tape area -- which is simply the record you can check or email -- is in a
pop up and out of the way of the main calculating area.

This was described in my archived forum post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone%40googlegroups.com/msg59283.html

Esther

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RE: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Esther
Hello Ed,

You wrote:
Ester,
I downloaded the Big Calculator Free app.  All the number buttons work with
VO.  The equals,plus,minus and other buttons do not work with VO.  All it
says on those when I put my finger on them is button.  Are you having the
same issues with your Big Calculator Fee app?

All those buttons work for me, and I didn't relabel them. From the bottom right 
corner, I hear VO say, equals, plus, hyphen (for the minus sign), 
divided by. None of these buttons were relabeled.  I checked a first 
generation iPad Mimi running iOS 6.1.2 and a 4th generation iPad (not mine) 
running iOS 7.0.4.

Both iPads installed the app under iOS 6 and were upgraded.

Do you have one of the newest model iPads?

The only keys I relabeled were for the Memory register M minus because the 
hyphen wasn't pronounced, and the x squared and x cubed buttons, which had 
a first label of x and then either a2 or 3 if you flicked again.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

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RE: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Esther
Ed,

I'm baffled by the unlabeled buttons you're finding. All the keypad buttons for 
Big Calc Free are spoken by VoiceOver on the two different iPad models I 
mentioned (iPad Mini first generation and 4th generation iPad). And that has 
worked under both iOS 6 and iOS 7.

If Big Calculator Free is really not working for you, try the paid app VOCalc 
(that's capital letters V O followed by Calc with a capital C and no spaces 
in the whole name.

Here's the Apo Store URL:
VOCalc ($2.99) 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/vocalc/id619478812?mt=8

I'd still be curious to learn if others find that the Big Calculator Free app 
loads on the iPad with unlabeled buttons for the calculator keypad. If I had to 
label all the buttons for operations and the memory registers I certainly 
wouldn't recommend this app. And this has been used with VoiceOver for over a 
year.  The only thing I can't comment on is whether the default color scheme 
works well for low-vision users.  There's an in-app purchase option for 
Settings  Themes that gives you more options for rounding and a money mode 
that automatically places decimals.  This also included large font options for 
the paper tape and more color themes. If there are low-vision users who try 
this app, and don't have the same problem Ed did with button labels, maybe they 
can report back.

• Big Calculator Free by Tioga Designs LLC
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/big-calculator-free/id374174252?mt=8

Easiest to use this app in portrait mode.  For more details on the neat 
features in this app, check my archived list post:
• Re: Calculator for iPad
http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone%40googlegroups.com/msg59283.html

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

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RE: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Pinky

Hello Esther,
I have an iPad 4 running 7.0.4.  Why do you think my buttons are not working
with VO.  Like I said only the number buttons announce.

Ed

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Hello Ed,

You wrote:
Ester,
I downloaded the Big Calculator Free app.  All the number buttons work with
VO.  The equals,plus,minus and other buttons do not work with VO.  All it
says on those when I put my finger on them is button.  Are you having the
same issues with your Big Calculator Fee app?

All those buttons work for me, and I didn't relabel them. From the bottom
right corner, I hear VO say, equals, plus, hyphen (for the minus
sign), divided by. None of these buttons were relabeled.  I checked a
first generation iPad Mimi running iOS 6.1.2 and a 4th generation iPad (not
mine) running iOS 7.0.4.

Both iPads installed the app under iOS 6 and were upgraded.

Do you have one of the newest model iPads?

The only keys I relabeled were for the Memory register M minus because the
hyphen wasn't pronounced, and the x squared and x cubed buttons, which
had a first label of x and then either a2 or 3 if you flicked again.

HTH. Cheers,

Esther

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Re: Simple calculator for iPad

2013-12-20 Thread Esther
Hello Ed,

I'm really puzzled about why you are not hearing the buttons.  I wish 
someone else who has an iPad would try this out and report back.  I tried 
deleting the app from the iPad 4 running 7.0.4 and re-downloading it, and 
the buttons are still announced by VoiceOver.  The only thing that is 
different about the situation is that the initial download of the app was 
done under iOS 6, and then the iPad was upgraded to iOS 7 by software 
download, and the app was updated to the latest version. At this point the 
only thing I can try is deleting the app and downloading it again, but all 
the buttons are announced when I do this (except on the paper tape where 
the sections for ads are announced as button and then if you flick right 
you'll hear the test descriptions of the contents -- double tapping on the 
text gives the same result as double tapping on the initial unlabeled 
button announcment).

I don't suppose you know anyone else with an iPad who could try to install 
this app? Even if they removed the labels from the buttons on the other 
keys in the most recent update, I don't understand how these could be 
present in the versions I have.  After all, I didn't label all those other 
buttons!

Is you iPad nearly full?  Maybe if there is limited storage space or a 
faulty section of the memory, part of the program code is overwritten?.Have 
you tried deleting and redownloading the app?  Honestly, I don't have any 
more ideas.  This app should just work.  I only relabeled three buttons to 
have more convenient lables -- not because these were unlabeled when I 
started.

If an app gave me this much trouble, I would probably just move on and try 
a different app. Sorry not to have better suggestions.  I may ask on 
another list if someone will try downloading and checking this app.

Best,

Esther

On Friday, December 20, 2013 6:28:05 PM UTC-10, Pinky wrote:


 Hello Esther, 
 I have an iPad 4 running 7.0.4.  Why do you think my buttons are not 
 working 
 with VO.  Like I said only the number buttons announce. 

 Ed 

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 vip...@googlegroups.com javascript:] On Behalf 
 Of Esther 
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 To: vip...@googlegroups.com javascript: 
 Subject: RE: Simple calculator for iPad 

 Hello Ed, 

 You wrote: 
 Ester, 
 I downloaded the Big Calculator Free app.  All the number buttons work 
 with 
 VO.  The equals,plus,minus and other buttons do not work with VO.  All it 
 says on those when I put my finger on them is button.  Are you having the 
 same issues with your Big Calculator Fee app? 

 All those buttons work for me, and I didn't relabel them. From the bottom 
 right corner, I hear VO say, equals, plus, hyphen (for the minus 
 sign), divided by. None of these buttons were relabeled.  I checked a 
 first generation iPad Mimi running iOS 6.1.2 and a 4th generation iPad 
 (not 
 mine) running iOS 7.0.4. 

 Both iPads installed the app under iOS 6 and were upgraded. 

 Do you have one of the newest model iPads? 

 The only keys I relabeled were for the Memory register M minus because 
 the 
 hyphen wasn't pronounced, and the x squared and x cubed buttons, which 
 had a first label of x and then either a2 or 3 if you flicked again. 

 HTH. Cheers, 

 Esther 

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