RE: issues I have with the new update.
No I have not, somewhat based on the language used in the description, not as welling to try, not being culturally unaware but anything that looks like the Nigerian scam of years ago I tend to avoid. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Lenartiene Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. I don't have Light Detector, but I do have SeeingAssistant Light, and that one works for me. Have you tried that one? Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: It was turned on but I turned it off and on again. It still does not work. Will try an uninstall install later have to get to work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Light Detector works fine for me. Make sure you go to Settings, Privacy and Camera to make sure Light Detector is allowed to use the Camera. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Rose, I think you can be pretty sure that if the app is in the app store which means it has been tested by Apple it’s not a Nigerian scam. I am not saying apps which don’t work as advertised don’t make it into the app store, but the Seeing Assistant apps have been around for a while and while the developers are not native English speakers, they also have posted to this list. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Tuesday, September 30, 2014 5:38 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. No I have not, somewhat based on the language used in the description, not as welling to try, not being culturally unaware but anything that looks like the Nigerian scam of years ago I tend to avoid. From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Lenartiene Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. I don't have Light Detector, but I do have SeeingAssistant Light, and that one works for me. Have you tried that one? Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com mailto:roseco...@q.com wrote: It was turned on but I turned it off and on again. It still does not work. Will try an uninstall install later have to get to work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Light Detector works fine for me. Make sure you go to Settings, Privacy and Camera to make sure Light Detector is allowed to use the Camera. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com mailto:kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com . To post
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I had the issue with Light Detector, so purchased Seeing Assistant Light. It works fine on my iPhone 6. Bob Sent from Bob's iPhone On Sep 30, 2014, at 8:38 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: No I have not, somewhat based on the language used in the description, not as welling to try, not being culturally unaware but anything that looks like the Nigerian scam of years ago I tend to avoid. From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheryl Lenartiene Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:55 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. I don't have Light Detector, but I do have SeeingAssistant Light, and that one works for me. Have you tried that one? Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: It was turned on but I turned it off and on again. It still does not work. Will try an uninstall install later have to get to work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Light Detector works fine for me. Make sure you go to Settings, Privacy and Camera to make sure Light Detector is allowed to use the Camera. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Yes, it is right. But remember that are many many sighted people no very happy with iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+. Do not think that we are the problem. No, every body is getting problems with IOs8, and many other issues with the hardware of iPhone 6, and iPhone 6+. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Pablo, Whether we give money to Apple by buying iPhones will make no difference, I mean zero. Apple sold over ten million iPhones during the launch weekend, I think it was something like 4 million during the first 24 hours of when preorders were available on the internet. This also does not include China where the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have not yet been released and where Apple will sell a ton of new iPhones once they become available. Do you really think that even if 50,000 were bought by blind or visually impaired people that would make a dent? Based on 10 million that would be 0.5% and I bet that the number of phones bought by blind people is much smaller. By the way, anybody who buys a new 5S now will get it with iOS 8 preinstalled, just because it is last year's phone doesn't mean Apple will ship it with last year's iOS. Anybody who has an iPhone of course can choose to stay with iOS 7.1.2, but anybody who is in the market for an iPhone now whether a 5S, 6 or 6 Plus will have to deal with iOS 8. I also think that Apple does listen. Yes, they haven't listened a lot I think during the Beta cycle to the few blind people who submitted Voiceover related bug reports, but I have no doubt that iOS 8 Voiceover bugs will be addressed and saying that Apple does not listen is just not true. Whether things will be worse when iOS 9 is release remains to be seen, claiming it will be worse at this point is nothing but a claim or guess which can't be substantiated. Enjoy iOS 7.1.2, I think it was an excellent choice not to update and I'm sure if you keep checking the list you'll hear all about it when bugs are fixed. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Nope, are another solution. Keep IOs 7.1.2, and do not upgrade to IOs8, like this, no bugs will be doing anything in your iDevice. If you don't have and iPhone, do not buy any iPhone 6s or iPhone 6. Just buy an iPhone 5s, that is cheaper, and with IOs 7.1.2. The blind community is been very affected with these bugs, and apple is paying to us the same attention that walmart does when a blind person make complain about the traffic in the stores. I mean, nothing. We have the solution. We have the money that they want, we have it in our pockets. We have the power. Do not give them money, until they have a good thing to offert to us. Because if we give the money before they do anything, probably, they will not do anything, or not what we want really. I know that they people who has business with apple, is going to defend apple. Even though, one year ago I said the same thing that today the most part of the list is saying. Let me tell you one more thing. Next year, this issue is going to be worse. Unless we stop giving money to someone who is not doing good things, and keep the good things that we had before. Like iPhone 5s with IOs 7.1.2, or our old 4s, etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH. Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Sadder when you spend all that extra money, and find some of the irritations and limitations of a'droid. Agree, those iOs bugs are bad!.. some have managed to work around and live with them, while they're fixed. JMO, R. - Original Message - From: Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:03 AM Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Sieghard If you continue defending the apple business, you will not be improving your life quality. You will not improve the apple devices, you will not improve the IOs8 quality either. Maybe you are protecting your own business now, but one year ago, I said the same things that now the people on the list, and around the world is saying. Apple is abusing. But if you continue on that position, next year this issue is going to be worse, not better. Business doesn't work like this. They want the money of the customers, if they don't receive our money, they need to improve their products, to make it fancy or attractive for us. They will not improve IOs 8 quality, or accessibility quality, if we looks so happy with their job. When you every year pay almost a thousand of dollars for one new apple phone, it means that you are happy with what ever they have done. Again, I am not talking about only about blind people. I am talking about every body, because you and every body here, been blind, is people, right? Ok, it is my point. Many times, we run to the apple store, to buy what ever they put on their desks. They are making money with our money. But we are getting a lot of problems with their IOs releases every year. What is the solution? Run and buy a new iPhone every year? Get the IOs bugs, and wait until apple developers fix their bugs? Be patience with apple? They are patience with the customers? Are you paying them little bit by little bit, or you have to pay everything on one time, or you have to sign a contract for 2 or 3 years with who ever sales iPhones? Why we have to be patience?? No, of course no. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Correct, and I believe it was something like 9 people who actually reported their iPhone bent out of several millions which were sold. I bent my iPhone 5S a few months ago but it was my own fault and if you were to really look at what happened with those iPhone 6 Plus units that did bent you would probably find that it also was the user's fault. Don't forget that the media is totally out to slam Apple wherever they can so everything even if it really is not a problem gets blown out of proportion. Apparently you are one of those who believe everything they read online... bad idea, Pablo, you can read anything online even many reports of people who love iOS 8 *smile*. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Did you also read the Consumer Reports follow-up report where they purchased an iPhone 6+ and tested it against sevcral other phones of the same size? Well, the iPhone withstood 20 pounds more pressure before starting to bend compared with it's closest competitor. In other words, the story about Apple being so bad did not hold up. When you switch to Android or WINDOWS phone, please let me know how much better the new phone choice works out for you. Which ever phone you decide to go with, I hope it works out for you. As for me, I remain an Apple fanboy for now. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 29 Sep 2014, at 09:22, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Well my friend. I can tell you. You are right. Apple in the last 2 years has been doing very very bad. They are abusing of their reputation. They are believing that they are enough, and they are not paying so much attention to the quality of their products. As I said before. My iPhone 5s, is the last iPhone that I would be buy. Until apple start to be more humble, and more focus in the quality of Ios, and iPhones also. By the way, today I read something online, saying that are people making complain to apple, because their iPhone 6+ bends if they put the iPhone in the pockets. Apple respond that their phones are created with a very high quality of glass, and titanium, but any way, are people who reported their iPhones 6+, bended. So sad. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now
Re: issues I have with the new update.
The only way to improve products is to use them and report bugs when we find them, as stated before if every person using accessibility stopped buying it wouldn't make not a single bit of difference, and apple isn't making money off accessibility; they could just stop doing it, period. I can't go in and buy an android phone off the shelf and use it. I can't buy a windows computer right off the shelf and use it. I can with apple, and no they don't have to do it at all. The only way to improve things is from within, and refusing to buy will do nothing for accessibility. Alia On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard If you continue defending the apple business, you will not be improving your life quality. You will not improve the apple devices, you will not improve the IOs8 quality either. Maybe you are protecting your own business now, but one year ago, I said the same things that now the people on the list, and around the world is saying. Apple is abusing. But if you continue on that position, next year this issue is going to be worse, not better. Business doesn't work like this. They want the money of the customers, if they don't receive our money, they need to improve their products, to make it fancy or attractive for us. They will not improve IOs 8 quality, or accessibility quality, if we looks so happy with their job. When you every year pay almost a thousand of dollars for one new apple phone, it means that you are happy with what ever they have done. Again, I am not talking about only about blind people. I am talking about every body, because you and every body here, been blind, is people, right? Ok, it is my point. Many times, we run to the apple store, to buy what ever they put on their desks. They are making money with our money. But we are getting a lot of problems with their IOs releases every year. What is the solution? Run and buy a new iPhone every year? Get the IOs bugs, and wait until apple developers fix their bugs? Be patience with apple? They are patience with the customers? Are you paying them little bit by little bit, or you have to pay everything on one time, or you have to sign a contract for 2 or 3 years with who ever sales iPhones? Why we have to be patience?? No, of course no. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: issues I have with the new update.
It was turned on but I turned it off and on again. It still does not work. Will try an uninstall install later have to get to work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Light Detector works fine for me. Make sure you go to Settings, Privacy and Camera to make sure Light Detector is allowed to use the Camera. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com
Re: issues I have with the new update.
I don't have Light Detector, but I do have SeeingAssistant Light, and that one works for me. Have you tried that one? Cheryl Be joyful always, pray continually, give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus. 1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 Sent from my iPhone On Sep 29, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Rose Combs roseco...@q.com wrote: It was turned on but I turned it off and on again. It still does not work. Will try an uninstall install later have to get to work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 10:46 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Light Detector works fine for me. Make sure you go to Settings, Privacy and Camera to make sure Light Detector is allowed to use the Camera. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rose Combs Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:21 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than
RE: issues I have with the new update.
I uninstalled light detector and reinstalled it, still no go. It is allowed to use the camera under privacy settings. Disappointed. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anna Byrne Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:54 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Also Omoby doesn't work. But Tap Tap See does. Go figure! Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Good morning Pablo, My iPhone is totally improving my quality of life and my efficiency in running my business. I think I am speaking for many if I say that the iPhone has revolutionized the way we can interact with information on a mobil platform. What Apple has done by putting such a level of accessibility into an off-the-shelf mass market device might just be the most important thing that has happened to how blind people use technology ever. Maybe now an Android phone might give good accessibility, but it sure didn't when I bought my first iPhone 4 years ago and as somebody who has sensitive data on my phone relating to my business the iPhone is in my opinion superior because of the security it offers. As far as improving Apple products or iOS 8 in particular, not using it and not providing feedback to Apple regarding the bugs will do even less. If all blind people thought like you and nobody had downloaded iOS 8 and reported back to Apple how would they fix the issues? Eventually we all have to upgrade because our old devices will be no longer supported. Sure, I could probably use my iPhone 5S with iOS 7.1.2 for another 3 or 4 years, but at that point I probably start running into problems because app developers are no longer supporting such an old version of iOS and so on. Then I have 2 options: either upgrade to the latest iOS version which if no blind people used it and provided bug reports to Apple would probably have even more bugs as you predict or I could switch to another platform which maybe is better and maybe it's not. I think if you are so set on not giving Apple anything you should sell your iPhone and move to Android. One good thing is that you may not have to complain avout upgrading because you might not be able to upgrade given the fragmentation of devices and the fact they often either can't run newer versions of Android or the carriers don't offer them. I know we won't see eye to eye on this, but that's of course OK as we all are entitled to our opinions. I totally agree that iOS 8 especially for Voiceover users is full of bugs and that it has more bugs than other iOS releases. But the difference between you and me is that I always try to see the good things first both in people and products. You focus on the bad aspects of a product first and for you these negative aspects overshadow the good aspects. Like I said, everybody is entitled to their opinions and to look at the world and the people around us any which way they like, but I prefer the positive approach and believe in trying to make a difference if I can. I believe Apple still has a commitment to accessibility and that there are probably reasons why they couldn't fix these bugs when iOS 8 was released. The new iOS goes with new devices and there is probably so much more involved in such a release than we'll ever know and it's unlikely they can simply push it back by a month or 2. OK, that's my last post regarding this topic so, Pablo, as I said before, continue with iOS 7.1.2 and decide for yourself when you feel it's safe to upgrade or maybe skip iOS 8 altogether and see what people say about iOS 9. If you are so convinced that accessibility in iOS will continue to get worse than I would totally encourage you to buy an Android phone and see if Google listens better when you tell them about the bugs in their OS which I have no doubt exist. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 3:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Sieghard If you continue defending the apple business, you will not be improving your life quality. You will not improve the apple devices, you will not improve the IOs8 quality either. Maybe you are protecting your own business now, but one year ago, I said the same things that now the people on the list, and around the world is saying. Apple is abusing. But if you continue on that position, next year this issue is going to be worse, not better. Business doesn't work like this. They want the money of the customers, if they don't receive our money, they need to improve their products, to make it fancy or attractive for us. They will not improve IOs 8 quality, or accessibility quality, if we looks so happy with their job. When you every year pay almost a thousand of dollars for one new apple phone, it means that you are happy with what ever they have done. Again, I am not talking about only about blind people. I am talking about every body, because you and every body here, been blind, is people, right? Ok, it is my point. Many times, we run to the apple store, to buy what ever they put on their desks. They are making money with our money. But we are getting a lot of problems with their IOs releases every year. What is the solution? Run and buy a new iPhone every year? Get the IOs bugs, and wait until apple developers fix
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Hi Alia, You shouldn't have said this about not being able to buy an Android phone off the shelf and not being able to use it. I bet you'll get a bunch of replies from Android users on this list who will tell you that Android has very good built-in accessibility and that the upcoming new Android release is supposed to be even better. I absolutely think that is fantastic and I absolutely hope Android accessibility improves further because competition is a good thing. I will, however, stick with iOS because I am invested in their eco system both with apps and other devices and feel it's still a superior and more importantly a more secure platform. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of alia robinson Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 4:14 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. The only way to improve products is to use them and report bugs when we find them, as stated before if every person using accessibility stopped buying it wouldn't make not a single bit of difference, and apple isn't making money off accessibility; they could just stop doing it, period. I can't go in and buy an android phone off the shelf and use it. I can't buy a windows computer right off the shelf and use it. I can with apple, and no they don't have to do it at all. The only way to improve things is from within, and refusing to buy will do nothing for accessibility. Alia On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard If you continue defending the apple business, you will not be improving your life quality. You will not improve the apple devices, you will not improve the IOs8 quality either. Maybe you are protecting your own business now, but one year ago, I said the same things that now the people on the list, and around the world is saying. Apple is abusing. But if you continue on that position, next year this issue is going to be worse, not better. Business doesn't work like this. They want the money of the customers, if they don't receive our money, they need to improve their products, to make it fancy or attractive for us. They will not improve IOs 8 quality, or accessibility quality, if we looks so happy with their job. When you every year pay almost a thousand of dollars for one new apple phone, it means that you are happy with what ever they have done. Again, I am not talking about only about blind people. I am talking about every body, because you and every body here, been blind, is people, right? Ok, it is my point. Many times, we run to the apple store, to buy what ever they put on their desks. They are making money with our money. But we are getting a lot of problems with their IOs releases every year. What is the solution? Run and buy a new iPhone every year? Get the IOs bugs, and wait until apple developers fix their bugs? Be patience with apple? They are patience with the customers? Are you paying them little bit by little bit, or you have to pay everything on one time, or you have to sign a contract for 2 or 3 years with who ever sales iPhones? Why we have to be patience?? No, of course no. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
I still don't think it's usable off the shelf, but that's just me. Nothing comes close to the iphone for being able to buy and go, and the reason I am on an iphone list is because I firmly believe that still. If I wanted to bash idevices I would go to an android list and do so; I am here to make it easier for myself and others to use these phones, not complain that we should all stop buying them. I frankly don't see the point of coming to a list for iphone support and doing that. Alia On Sep 29, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alia, You shouldn't have said this about not being able to buy an Android phone off the shelf and not being able to use it. I bet you'll get a bunch of replies from Android users on this list who will tell you that Android has very good built-in accessibility and that the upcoming new Android release is supposed to be even better. I absolutely think that is fantastic and I absolutely hope Android accessibility improves further because competition is a good thing. I will, however, stick with iOS because I am invested in their eco system both with apps and other devices and feel it's still a superior and more importantly a more secure platform. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
Yes,, and it is very ingeresting that Apple's iPhone set the new record for number of phones sold during the first weekend at 10 million phones. The previous record was set last year at 4 or 5 million phones during the first weekend by, u, Apple. Yes, this is a product line that is experiencing quite a lot of problems and frustrations by their customers. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 29 Sep 2014, at 19:50, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, it is right. But remember that are many many sighted people no very happy with iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+. Do not think that we are the problem. No, every body is getting problems with IOs8, and many other issues with the hardware of iPhone 6, and iPhone 6+. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:06 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Pablo, Whether we give money to Apple by buying iPhones will make no difference, I mean zero. Apple sold over ten million iPhones during the launch weekend, I think it was something like 4 million during the first 24 hours of when preorders were available on the internet. This also does not include China where the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have not yet been released and where Apple will sell a ton of new iPhones once they become available. Do you really think that even if 50,000 were bought by blind or visually impaired people that would make a dent? Based on 10 million that would be 0.5% and I bet that the number of phones bought by blind people is much smaller. By the way, anybody who buys a new 5S now will get it with iOS 8 preinstalled, just because it is last year's phone doesn't mean Apple will ship it with last year's iOS. Anybody who has an iPhone of course can choose to stay with iOS 7.1.2, but anybody who is in the market for an iPhone now whether a 5S, 6 or 6 Plus will have to deal with iOS 8. I also think that Apple does listen. Yes, they haven't listened a lot I think during the Beta cycle to the few blind people who submitted Voiceover related bug reports, but I have no doubt that iOS 8 Voiceover bugs will be addressed and saying that Apple does not listen is just not true. Whether things will be worse when iOS 9 is release remains to be seen, claiming it will be worse at this point is nothing but a claim or guess which can't be substantiated. Enjoy iOS 7.1.2, I think it was an excellent choice not to update and I'm sure if you keep checking the list you'll hear all about it when bugs are fixed. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Nope, are another solution. Keep IOs 7.1.2, and do not upgrade to IOs8, like this, no bugs will be doing anything in your iDevice. If you don't have and iPhone, do not buy any iPhone 6s or iPhone 6. Just buy an iPhone 5s, that is cheaper, and with IOs 7.1.2. The blind community is been very affected with these bugs, and apple is paying to us the same attention that walmart does when a blind person make complain about the traffic in the stores. I mean, nothing. We have the solution. We have the money that they want, we have it in our pockets. We have the power. Do not give them money, until they have a good thing to offert to us. Because if we give the money before they do anything, probably, they will not do anything, or not what we want really. I know that they people who has business with apple, is going to defend apple. Even though, one year ago I said the same thing that today the most part of the list is saying. Let me tell you one more thing. Next year, this issue is going to be worse. Unless we stop giving money to someone who is not doing good things, and keep the good things that we had before. Like iPhone 5s with IOs 7.1.2, or our old 4s, etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH. Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Sadder when you spend all that extra money, and find some of the irritations and limitations of a'droid. Agree, those iOs bugs are bad!.. some have managed to work around and live with them, while they're fixed. JMO, R. - Original Message - From: Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:03 AM Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Hi Pablo, So I take it you are going to by a Android phone next year. So after you purchase an Android phone next year come back to the Viphone group and let us know if it has any bugs in it and how accessible it is. Ed -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 5:11 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Sieghard If you continue defending the apple business, you will not be improving your life quality. You will not improve the apple devices, you will not improve the IOs8 quality either. Maybe you are protecting your own business now, but one year ago, I said the same things that now the people on the list, and around the world is saying. Apple is abusing. But if you continue on that position, next year this issue is going to be worse, not better. Business doesn't work like this. They want the money of the customers, if they don't receive our money, they need to improve their products, to make it fancy or attractive for us. They will not improve IOs 8 quality, or accessibility quality, if we looks so happy with their job. When you every year pay almost a thousand of dollars for one new apple phone, it means that you are happy with what ever they have done. Again, I am not talking about only about blind people. I am talking about every body, because you and every body here, been blind, is people, right? Ok, it is my point. Many times, we run to the apple store, to buy what ever they put on their desks. They are making money with our money. But we are getting a lot of problems with their IOs releases every year. What is the solution? Run and buy a new iPhone every year? Get the IOs bugs, and wait until apple developers fix their bugs? Be patience with apple? They are patience with the customers? Are you paying them little bit by little bit, or you have to pay everything on one time, or you have to sign a contract for 2 or 3 years with who ever sales iPhones? Why we have to be patience?? No, of course no. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 1:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Correct, and I believe it was something like 9 people who actually reported their iPhone bent out of several millions which were sold. I bent my iPhone 5S a few months ago but it was my own fault and if you were to really look at what happened with those iPhone 6 Plus units that did bent you would probably find that it also was the user's fault. Don't forget that the media is totally out to slam Apple wherever they can so everything even if it really is not a problem gets blown out of proportion. Apparently you are one of those who believe everything they read online... bad idea, Pablo, you can read anything online even many reports of people who love iOS 8 *smile*. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Did you also read the Consumer Reports follow-up report where they purchased an iPhone 6+ and tested it against sevcral other phones of the same size? Well, the iPhone withstood 20 pounds more pressure before starting to bend compared with it's closest competitor. In other words, the story about Apple being so bad did not hold up. When you switch to Android or WINDOWS phone, please let me know how much better the new phone choice works out for you. Which ever phone you decide to go with, I hope it works out for you. As for me, I remain an Apple fanboy for now. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 29 Sep 2014, at 09:22, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Well my friend. I can tell you. You are right. Apple in the last 2 years has been doing very very bad. They are abusing of their reputation. They are believing that they are enough, and they are not paying so much attention to the quality of their products. As I said before. My iPhone 5s, is the last iPhone that I would be buy. Until apple start to be more humble, and more focus in the quality of Ios, and iPhones also. By the way, today I read something online, saying that are people making complain to apple, because their iPhone 6+ bends if they put the iPhone in the pockets. Apple respond that their phones are created with a very high quality of glass, and titanium, but any way, are people who reported their iPhones 6+, bended. So sad. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com
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Oh lord. Now the economy is handle like you said? Buying things that are not working well, improve the quality of the product? Where is the value of the competition in this formula? Yes, apple as android, as many other brans has to work with the accessibility. It is mandatory now. It is mandatory because the government in United States is making a hard pression about it. The problem is that all this brans doesn't have to do a good accessibility. They have to create accessibility, how it works is something that is going to shown by the market. Now, if we, the blind community every year, go to the apple store, and buy what ever apple create, as watches, iPhones, when we are getting hard problems with the accessibility, we are hurting our pocket, because we are buying something that is not doing a good job. The competence in the market is who make the good products, is not people who love a product, and go to buy it, no matter the problems that those products has. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
Pablo Even with the bugs Apple has it is still easy to use and a lot of fun. For example I was able to take a picture of my son and it was good enough for him to add to his instagram account. Try doing that with the Windows phones. Yes there are bugs but IOS and voiceover are very much useable and very powerful. On 9/29/14, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Oh lord. Now the economy is handle like you said? Buying things that are not working well, improve the quality of the product? Where is the value of the competition in this formula? Yes, apple as android, as many other brans has to work with the accessibility. It is mandatory now. It is mandatory because the government in United States is making a hard pression about it. The problem is that all this brans doesn't have to do a good accessibility. They have to create accessibility, how it works is something that is going to shown by the market. Now, if we, the blind community every year, go to the apple store, and buy what ever apple create, as watches, iPhones, when we are getting hard problems with the accessibility, we are hurting our pocket, because we are buying something that is not doing a good job. The competence in the market is who make the good products, is not people who love a product, and go to buy it, no matter the problems that those products has. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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You should use an android phone next to an iPhone and see how much harder it is to use android devices. Talk back works, but it is just far more crude and clunkier than VoiceOver. Best, -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Diakogeorgiou Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 9:49 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Pablo Even with the bugs Apple has it is still easy to use and a lot of fun. For example I was able to take a picture of my son and it was good enough for him to add to his instagram account. Try doing that with the Windows phones. Yes there are bugs but IOS and voiceover are very much useable and very powerful. On 9/29/14, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Oh lord. Now the economy is handle like you said? Buying things that are not working well, improve the quality of the product? Where is the value of the competition in this formula? Yes, apple as android, as many other brans has to work with the accessibility. It is mandatory now. It is mandatory because the government in United States is making a hard pression about it. The problem is that all this brans doesn't have to do a good accessibility. They have to create accessibility, how it works is something that is going to shown by the market. Now, if we, the blind community every year, go to the apple store, and buy what ever apple create, as watches, iPhones, when we are getting hard problems with the accessibility, we are hurting our pocket, because we are buying something that is not doing a good job. The competence in the market is who make the good products, is not people who love a product, and go to buy it, no matter the problems that those products has. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Yes, it is true, apple is very fun. But we don't have to congratulate apple every time when they put in the market what ever new, more when they have bugs in their IOs. ur mistake is that we are giving our money, what ever they want, when they are not been responsible with the customers, when they are been very arrogant. It is not the apple fault, it is our fault. It is the example of the man who hits his wife. It is his fault the first time, but each time that his wife goes to the police department to reject the charges against him, is her fault. Every time that apple do things like they are doing now, and we are running to buy their products, it our fault. Next year, we will get another lesson, and apple will get our money again. Any way, yu can do what ever with your money. I will not buy any other apple product, until I am sure of; 1. I really needed. 2. It really do what I need to do. 3. It really works fine. bye On 9/29/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo Even with the bugs Apple has it is still easy to use and a lot of fun. For example I was able to take a picture of my son and it was good enough for him to add to his instagram account. Try doing that with the Windows phones. Yes there are bugs but IOS and voiceover are very much useable and very powerful. On 9/29/14, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Oh lord. Now the economy is handle like you said? Buying things that are not working well, improve the quality of the product? Where is the value of the competition in this formula? Yes, apple as android, as many other brans has to work with the accessibility. It is mandatory now. It is mandatory because the government in United States is making a hard pression about it. The problem is that all this brans doesn't have to do a good accessibility. They have to create accessibility, how it works is something that is going to shown by the market. Now, if we, the blind community every year, go to the apple store, and buy what ever apple create, as watches, iPhones, when we are getting hard problems with the accessibility, we are hurting our pocket, because we are buying something that is not doing a good job. The competence in the market is who make the good products, is not people who love a product, and go to buy it, no matter the problems that those products has. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Actually, I know bugs are a pain. But you don't have to get the upgrade or buy a device right away if you've heard there are bugs. No software/hardware can work out all bugs in a system. Sometimes the system has to be finally released, even with the knowledge that there are bugs, some maybe being considered major to some. Bugs are in the nature of software development. Human's aren't perfect, nor is software. Be patient. Apple has in the past released fixes for the bugs. I am by no means congratulating apple by saying this, I as a software developer understand release cycles, and the processes involved and all of the pains, and hardships that come with releasing a new product into the wild. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Yes, it is true, apple is very fun. But we don't have to congratulate apple every time when they put in the market what ever new, more when they have bugs in their IOs. ur mistake is that we are giving our money, what ever they want, when they are not been responsible with the customers, when they are been very arrogant. It is not the apple fault, it is our fault. It is the example of the man who hits his wife. It is his fault the first time, but each time that his wife goes to the police department to reject the charges against him, is her fault. Every time that apple do things like they are doing now, and we are running to buy their products, it our fault. Next year, we will get another lesson, and apple will get our money again. Any way, yu can do what ever with your money. I will not buy any other apple product, until I am sure of; 1. I really needed. 2. It really do what I need to do. 3. It really works fine. bye On 9/29/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo Even with the bugs Apple has it is still easy to use and a lot of fun. For example I was able to take a picture of my son and it was good enough for him to add to his instagram account. Try doing that with the Windows phones. Yes there are bugs but IOS and voiceover are very much useable and very powerful. On 9/29/14, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Oh lord. Now the economy is handle like you said? Buying things that are not working well, improve the quality of the product? Where is the value of the competition in this formula? Yes, apple as android, as many other brans has to work with the accessibility. It is mandatory now. It is mandatory because the government in United States is making a hard pression about it. The problem is that all this brans doesn't have to do a good accessibility. They have to create accessibility, how it works is something that is going to shown by the market. Now, if we, the blind community every year, go to the apple store, and buy what ever apple create, as watches, iPhones, when we are getting hard problems with the accessibility, we are hurting our pocket, because we are buying something that is not doing a good job. The competence in the market is who make the good products, is not people who love a product, and go to buy it, no matter the problems that those products has. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group
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I'm not sure what you mean by the references below to not being able to use Android phones or Windows computers off the shelf. A blind person can enable Talk Back on an Android phone without any sighted assistance. I've done this myself on a Nexis 7. Windows has also added a hot key to start Narrator. I'm not sure if I could have set up my wife's Windows 8 computer without any sighted assistance, but after she set up her account, she handed it to me and I was able to start Narrator, set up my account and download NVDA without any sighted help. If you mean that Android and Windows don't have screen access built into their system and can be setup without sighted assistance then I don't think that's an accurate statement. If you mean that Talk Back and Narrator aren't as polished as VoiceOver then that may be true, but blind people can definitely use Android. On 09/29/2014 06:14 AM, alia robinson wrote: The only way to improve products is to use them and report bugs when we find them, as stated before if every person using accessibility stopped buying it wouldn't make not a single bit of difference, and apple isn't making money off accessibility; they could just stop doing it, period. I can't go in and buy an android phone off the shelf and use it. I can't buy a windows computer right off the shelf and use it. I can with apple, and no they don't have to do it at all. The only way to improve things is from within, and refusing to buy will do nothing for accessibility. Alia On Sep 29, 2014, at 6:10 AM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Sieghard If you continue defending the apple business, you will not be improving your life quality. You will not improve the apple devices, you will not improve the IOs8 quality either. Maybe you are protecting your own business now, but one year ago, I said the same things that now the people on the list, and around the world is saying. Apple is abusing. But if you continue on that position, next year this issue is going to be worse, not better. Business doesn't work like this. They want the money of the customers, if they don't receive our money, they need to improve their products, to make it fancy or attractive for us. They will not improve IOs 8 quality, or accessibility quality, if we looks so happy with their job. When you every year pay almost a thousand of dollars for one new apple phone, it means that you are happy with what ever they have done. Again, I am not talking about only about blind people. I am talking about every body, because you and every body here, been blind, is people, right? Ok, it is my point. Many times, we run to the apple store, to buy what ever they put on their desks. They are making money with our money. But we are getting a lot of problems with their IOs releases every year. What is the solution? Run and buy a new iPhone every year? Get the IOs bugs, and wait until apple developers fix their bugs? Be patience with apple? They are patience with the customers? Are you paying them little bit by little bit, or you have to pay everything on one time, or you have to sign a contract for 2 or 3 years with who ever sales iPhones? Why we have to be patience?? No, of course no. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
I actually think it's inappropriate to come to an iPhone list and bash Android devices just as I think it's inappropriate to go to an Android list and bash iPhones. What works for one person may not work for another. Instead of getting defensive when someone else mentions another product, I think we should encourage the sharing of accurate knowledge about all of our options. This spreading of misinformation about other products, whether intentional or not, just hurts the blindness community. We should be happy when another blind person finds another product is accessible and meets their needs just as well as what we're using. Choice is good, and we never know when we might appreciate choice ourselves. I was a happy Nokia user, but I obviously was glad I had other options when the Symbian platform went by the boards. On 09/29/2014 08:28 AM, alia robinson wrote: I still don't think it's usable off the shelf, but that's just me. Nothing comes close to the iphone for being able to buy and go, and the reason I am on an iphone list is because I firmly believe that still. If I wanted to bash idevices I would go to an android list and do so; I am here to make it easier for myself and others to use these phones, not complain that we should all stop buying them. I frankly don't see the point of coming to a list for iphone support and doing that. Alia On Sep 29, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alia, You shouldn't have said this about not being able to buy an Android phone off the shelf and not being able to use it. I bet you'll get a bunch of replies from Android users on this list who will tell you that Android has very good built-in accessibility and that the upcoming new Android release is supposed to be even better. I absolutely think that is fantastic and I absolutely hope Android accessibility improves further because competition is a good thing. I will, however, stick with iOS because I am invested in their eco system both with apps and other devices and feel it's still a superior and more importantly a more secure platform. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
I agree, and we shouldn't circle the wagons when someone shares their frustrations and/or disappointments about said platform (i.e, iOS), and recommend they switch Mobile platforms in the process. We should let them voice their frustrations and/or disappointments to help determine whether or not some constructive criticism should be sent to said platform (i.e, iOS). At 10:56 AM 9/29/2014, you wrote: I actually think it's inappropriate to come to an iPhone list and bash Android devices just as I think it's inappropriate to go to an Android list and bash iPhones. What works for one person may not work for another. Instead of getting defensive when someone else mentions another product, I think we should encourage the sharing of accurate knowledge about all of our options. This spreading of misinformation about other products, whether intentional or not, just hurts the blindness community. We should be happy when another blind person finds another product is accessible and meets their needs just as well as what we're using. Choice is good, and we never know when we might appreciate choice ourselves. I was a happy Nokia user, but I obviously was glad I had other options when the Symbian platform went by the boards. On 09/29/2014 08:28 AM, alia robinson wrote: I still don't think it's usable off the shelf, but that's just me. Nothing comes close to the iphone for being able to buy and go, and the reason I am on an iphone list is because I firmly believe that still. If I wanted to bash idevices I would go to an android list and do so; I am here to make it easier for myself and others to use these phones, not complain that we should all stop buying them. I frankly don't see the point of coming to a list for iphone support and doing that. Alia On Sep 29, 2014, at 9:24 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Hi Alia, You shouldn't have said this about not being able to buy an Android phone off the shelf and not being able to use it. I bet you'll get a bunch of replies from Android users on this list who will tell you that Android has very good built-in accessibility and that the upcoming new Android release is supposed to be even better. I absolutely think that is fantastic and I absolutely hope Android accessibility improves further because competition is a good thing. I will, however, stick with iOS because I am invested in their eco system both with apps and other devices and feel it's still a superior and more importantly a more secure platform. -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Hi Pablo, I like a good beating every now and then so Apple, go ahead and have at it *smile*. Seriously, I don't thing wife abuse is a good comparison. Also, I don't see people on this list congratulating Apple. I see a lot of discussion about the bugs and I am sure a lot of emails are being sent to the accessibility department with requests to fix the bugs rather than expressions of gratitude for making the numbers stick. I mostly see people with the 4S and some with the 5 upgrading, I have a 5S and I am not giving Apple any money this year yet they are giving me a new operating system with some very nice new features for free. I am not happy with the bugs but I am prepared to deal with them until they get fixed otherwise I would have downgraded back to iOS 7 a long time ago. I already look forward to our discussions next September, Pablo *smile*. Take care, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 10:29 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Yes, it is true, apple is very fun. But we don't have to congratulate apple every time when they put in the market what ever new, more when they have bugs in their IOs. ur mistake is that we are giving our money, what ever they want, when they are not been responsible with the customers, when they are been very arrogant. It is not the apple fault, it is our fault. It is the example of the man who hits his wife. It is his fault the first time, but each time that his wife goes to the police department to reject the charges against him, is her fault. Every time that apple do things like they are doing now, and we are running to buy their products, it our fault. Next year, we will get another lesson, and apple will get our money again. Any way, yu can do what ever with your money. I will not buy any other apple product, until I am sure of; 1. I really needed. 2. It really do what I need to do. 3. It really works fine. bye On 9/29/14, John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com wrote: Pablo Even with the bugs Apple has it is still easy to use and a lot of fun. For example I was able to take a picture of my son and it was good enough for him to add to his instagram account. Try doing that with the Windows phones. Yes there are bugs but IOS and voiceover are very much useable and very powerful. On 9/29/14, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Oh lord. Now the economy is handle like you said? Buying things that are not working well, improve the quality of the product? Where is the value of the competition in this formula? Yes, apple as android, as many other brans has to work with the accessibility. It is mandatory now. It is mandatory because the government in United States is making a hard pression about it. The problem is that all this brans doesn't have to do a good accessibility. They have to create accessibility, how it works is something that is going to shown by the market. Now, if we, the blind community every year, go to the apple store, and buy what ever apple create, as watches, iPhones, when we are getting hard problems with the accessibility, we are hurting our pocket, because we are buying something that is not doing a good job. The competence in the market is who make the good products, is not people who love a product, and go to buy it, no matter the problems that those products has. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from
Re: issues I have with the new update.
I think it's time to stop with the I might and get to it. I have already called with one problem myself and will call with others when I encounter them. Think of this as your help in Apple's therapy. grin - Original Message - From: Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
Sadder when you spend all that extra money, and find some of the irritations and limitations of a'droid. Agree, those iOs bugs are bad!.. some have managed to work around and live with them, while they're fixed. JMO, R. - Original Message - From: Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:03 AM Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
It appears you are highly invested in Apple products/services, and I suggest you contact both Apple and/or Apple Accessibility to address your concerns and give them some constructive criticism, but in my opinion, leaving to go to another Mobile PlatForm is not the answer. Although I do support exploration of other Mobile PlatForms, which I am currently doing myself.I don't want to be tied to any specific platform, I want to keep my options open, and enjoy the benefits of each, and offer constructive criticism where needed to improve them for a better experience overall. At 10:03 PM 9/27/2014, you wrote: Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
I have not been following this thread, but whomever wrote the original message has not been paying attention since a solution to the bluetooth keyboard problem has been posted several times before yesterday. Yes, the keys sticking in the phone keypad is an annoying problem. Yes, iOS 8 is perhaps more buggy than iOS 7 was but those of us who updated were warned by several people on this list to not upgrade if you were not willing to deal with some very annoying bugs. So if after updating, they want to spend their money on another platform, that is their choice. Richard Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Robin robin-mel...@comcast.net wrote: It appears you are highly invested in Apple products/services, and I suggest you contact both Apple and/or Apple Accessibility to address your concerns and give them some constructive criticism, but in my opinion, leaving to go to another Mobile PlatForm is not the answer. Although I do support exploration of other Mobile PlatForms, which I am currently doing myself.I don't want to be tied to any specific platform, I want to keep my options open, and enjoy the benefits of each, and offer constructive criticism where needed to improve them for a better experience overall. At 10:03 PM 9/27/2014, you wrote: Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Yes, I can't get it to work on either my iPhone 4S or 6 Plus. It just stays at zero percent and doesn't beep or anything. Both devices are running iOS 8.0.2. - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 06:21:07 -0700 Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store.. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Hi Kevin, I agree with Gary, send your bug reports to Apple, email them, call them, do both, the more the marrier. The email address for Apple accessibility is very easy, it's accessibil...@apple.com. The phone number for the Apple Accessibility Department is 1-877-204-3930. As you said, remember that just as the people at the Apple Store, the people at the accessibility department who answer the phones are not the ones who are in charge. While it's important to let them know that you feel iOS 8 is a very disappointing release with lots of bugs, it's also important to be courteous and not rude. As for switching to an Android phone, well, what can I say, you might love it or you might regret it even more than upgrading to iOS 8. But if you think the tapping is greener on the other side of the iOS fence then you are probably mistaken since I'm sure Android has its own issues. Oh yes, by the way, there were lots of warnings out there regarding upgrading especially if you use a bluetooth keyboard a lot and I posted several times about the number sticking bug when you dial a phone number saying that if you use your iPhone a lot to make phone calls where you dial the numbers rather than using your contact list then it might be much better not to upgrade until these bugs are fixed. I totally agree that Apple hasn't exactly impressed with the iOS 8 update, but it's everybody's responsibility to gather the facts before upgrading and the facts about all these major bugs were out there and easy to find and read about. In addition to that you could have downgraded until at least 8 days after the upgrade and I posted how to do so last Sunday and repeated twice since then as to how you can find that post. Once you downloaded the iOS 7.1.2 file downgrading via iTunes takes less than 15 minutes. But Apple stopped signing the firmware I think on Thursday so it's too late now. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Petraccaro Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 2:28 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. I think it's time to stop with the I might and get to it. I have already called with one problem myself and will call with others when I encounter them. Think of this as your help in Apple's therapy. grin - Original Message - From: Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Also Omoby doesn't work. But Tap Tap See does. Go figure! Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
I want to remind the person who started this thread that if they had done their research before upgrading they would have been educated as to the problems with IOS 8. Knowing that IOS has major bugs with bluetooth keyboars, I would have thought twice about upgrading. This includes the knowledge that a work around exists for the Bluetooth problem. On 9/28/14, Anna Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Also Omoby doesn't work. But Tap Tap See does. Go figure! Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running
Re: issues I have with the new update.
I also am having problems with the light detector. In the privacy settings, it is listed as having access to the camera, but I get no results at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: issues I have with the new update.
Hi, There is definetly a bug with LightDetector, It doesn't work here either. Hopefully they will get around to updating it. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 29 Sep 2014, at 6:10 am, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I also am having problems with the light detector. In the privacy settings, it is listed as having access to the camera, but I get no results at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Both Money Reader and Light Detector work just fine on my 5S. I think this is more an Apple bug rather than something that has to be fixed by the developers because if the app simply wouldn't work under iOS 8 it wouldn't work for anybody. I remember Lois said Money Reader didn't work on her iPhone 5, but she got a new iPhone 6 and after she downloaded Money Reader it worked. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Brett Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:57 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Hi, There is definetly a bug with LightDetector, It doesn't work here either. Hopefully they will get around to updating it. Cheers, Brett. Sent with Siri from Brett's iPhone On 29 Sep 2014, at 6:10 am, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: I also am having problems with the light detector. In the privacy settings, it is listed as having access to the camera, but I get no results at all. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Rose Combs roseco...@q.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 8:21 AM Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Well my friend. I can tell you. You are right. Apple in the last 2 years has been doing very very bad. They are abusing of their reputation. They are believing that they are enough, and they are not paying so much attention to the quality of their products. As I said before. My iPhone 5s, is the last iPhone that I would be buy. Until apple start to be more humble, and more focus in the quality of Ios, and iPhones also. By the way, today I read something online, saying that are people making complain to apple, because their iPhone 6+ bends if they put the iPhone in the pockets. Apple respond that their phones are created with a very high quality of glass, and titanium, but any way, are people who reported their iPhones 6+, bended. So sad. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Nope, are another solution. Keep IOs 7.1.2, and do not upgrade to IOs8, like this, no bugs will be doing anything in your iDevice. If you don't have and iPhone, do not buy any iPhone 6s or iPhone 6. Just buy an iPhone 5s, that is cheaper, and with IOs 7.1.2. The blind community is been very affected with these bugs, and apple is paying to us the same attention that walmart does when a blind person make complain about the traffic in the stores. I mean, nothing. We have the solution. We have the money that they want, we have it in our pockets. We have the power. Do not give them money, until they have a good thing to offert to us. Because if we give the money before they do anything, probably, they will not do anything, or not what we want really. I know that they people who has business with apple, is going to defend apple. Even though, one year ago I said the same thing that today the most part of the list is saying. Let me tell you one more thing. Next year, this issue is going to be worse. Unless we stop giving money to someone who is not doing good things, and keep the good things that we had before. Like iPhone 5s with IOs 7.1.2, or our old 4s, etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH. Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Sadder when you spend all that extra money, and find some of the irritations and limitations of a'droid. Agree, those iOs bugs are bad!.. some have managed to work around and live with them, while they're fixed. JMO, R. - Original Message - From: Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:03 AM Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list
Re: issues I have with the new update.
Did you also read the Consumer Reports follow-up report where they purchased an iPhone 6+ and tested it against sevcral other phones of the same size? Well, the iPhone withstood 20 pounds more pressure before starting to bend compared with it's closest competitor. In other words, the story about Apple being so bad did not hold up. When you switch to Android or WINDOWS phone, please let me know how much better the new phone choice works out for you. Which ever phone you decide to go with, I hope it works out for you. As for me, I remain an Apple fanboy for now. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 29 Sep 2014, at 09:22, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Well my friend. I can tell you. You are right. Apple in the last 2 years has been doing very very bad. They are abusing of their reputation. They are believing that they are enough, and they are not paying so much attention to the quality of their products. As I said before. My iPhone 5s, is the last iPhone that I would be buy. Until apple start to be more humble, and more focus in the quality of Ios, and iPhones also. By the way, today I read something online, saying that are people making complain to apple, because their iPhone 6+ bends if they put the iPhone in the pockets. Apple respond that their phones are created with a very high quality of glass, and titanium, but any way, are people who reported their iPhones 6+, bended. So sad. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel
Re: issues I have with the new update.
I agree this is good advice, but one of the advantages of going with Apple and their mainstream products is that we should be on a level playing field with our sighted counterparts. If a blind person has to wait for other blind people to update to see what bugs exist in an update to IOS before updating themselves then I think this is a problem. Sighted people aren't advised to wait to upgrade to a new version of IOS and take advantage of the new features in that version, and blind people should be able to do the same thing. On 09/28/2014 02:34 PM, John Diakogeorgiou wrote: I want to remind the person who started this thread that if they had done their research before upgrading they would have been educated as to the problems with IOS 8. Knowing that IOS has major bugs with bluetooth keyboars, I would have thought twice about upgrading. This includes the knowledge that a work around exists for the Bluetooth problem. On 9/28/14, Anna Byrne ann...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Also Omoby doesn't work. But Tap Tap See does. Go figure! Does anyone else have a problem with Light detector on IOS 8.02? It is something that with as many family members some in the turn off and on lights get all confused with my ceiling fans etc., I used regularly and right now I can't get it to work. Money reader does work. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 10:03 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message
RE: issues I have with the new update.
Pablo, Whether we give money to Apple by buying iPhones will make no difference, I mean zero. Apple sold over ten million iPhones during the launch weekend, I think it was something like 4 million during the first 24 hours of when preorders were available on the internet. This also does not include China where the iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have not yet been released and where Apple will sell a ton of new iPhones once they become available. Do you really think that even if 50,000 were bought by blind or visually impaired people that would make a dent? Based on 10 million that would be 0.5% and I bet that the number of phones bought by blind people is much smaller. By the way, anybody who buys a new 5S now will get it with iOS 8 preinstalled, just because it is last year's phone doesn't mean Apple will ship it with last year's iOS. Anybody who has an iPhone of course can choose to stay with iOS 7.1.2, but anybody who is in the market for an iPhone now whether a 5S, 6 or 6 Plus will have to deal with iOS 8. I also think that Apple does listen. Yes, they haven't listened a lot I think during the Beta cycle to the few blind people who submitted Voiceover related bug reports, but I have no doubt that iOS 8 Voiceover bugs will be addressed and saying that Apple does not listen is just not true. Whether things will be worse when iOS 9 is release remains to be seen, claiming it will be worse at this point is nothing but a claim or guess which can't be substantiated. Enjoy iOS 7.1.2, I think it was an excellent choice not to update and I'm sure if you keep checking the list you'll hear all about it when bugs are fixed. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pablo Morales Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:35 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: issues I have with the new update. Nope, are another solution. Keep IOs 7.1.2, and do not upgrade to IOs8, like this, no bugs will be doing anything in your iDevice. If you don't have and iPhone, do not buy any iPhone 6s or iPhone 6. Just buy an iPhone 5s, that is cheaper, and with IOs 7.1.2. The blind community is been very affected with these bugs, and apple is paying to us the same attention that walmart does when a blind person make complain about the traffic in the stores. I mean, nothing. We have the solution. We have the money that they want, we have it in our pockets. We have the power. Do not give them money, until they have a good thing to offert to us. Because if we give the money before they do anything, probably, they will not do anything, or not what we want really. I know that they people who has business with apple, is going to defend apple. Even though, one year ago I said the same thing that today the most part of the list is saying. Let me tell you one more thing. Next year, this issue is going to be worse. Unless we stop giving money to someone who is not doing good things, and keep the good things that we had before. Like iPhone 5s with IOs 7.1.2, or our old 4s, etc. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of RobH. Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:41 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Sadder when you spend all that extra money, and find some of the irritations and limitations of a'droid. Agree, those iOs bugs are bad!.. some have managed to work around and live with them, while they're fixed. JMO, R. - Original Message - From: Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 6:03 AM Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information
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Correct, and I believe it was something like 9 people who actually reported their iPhone bent out of several millions which were sold. I bent my iPhone 5S a few months ago but it was my own fault and if you were to really look at what happened with those iPhone 6 Plus units that did bent you would probably find that it also was the user's fault. Don't forget that the media is totally out to slam Apple wherever they can so everything even if it really is not a problem gets blown out of proportion. Apparently you are one of those who believe everything they read online... bad idea, Pablo, you can read anything online even many reports of people who love iOS 8 *smile*. Regards, Sieghard -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 4:37 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: issues I have with the new update. Did you also read the Consumer Reports follow-up report where they purchased an iPhone 6+ and tested it against sevcral other phones of the same size? Well, the iPhone withstood 20 pounds more pressure before starting to bend compared with it's closest competitor. In other words, the story about Apple being so bad did not hold up. When you switch to Android or WINDOWS phone, please let me know how much better the new phone choice works out for you. Which ever phone you decide to go with, I hope it works out for you. As for me, I remain an Apple fanboy for now. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 29 Sep 2014, at 09:22, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote: Well my friend. I can tell you. You are right. Apple in the last 2 years has been doing very very bad. They are abusing of their reputation. They are believing that they are enough, and they are not paying so much attention to the quality of their products. As I said before. My iPhone 5s, is the last iPhone that I would be buy. Until apple start to be more humble, and more focus in the quality of Ios, and iPhones also. By the way, today I read something online, saying that are people making complain to apple, because their iPhone 6+ bends if they put the iPhone in the pockets. Apple respond that their phones are created with a very high quality of glass, and titanium, but any way, are people who reported their iPhones 6+, bended. So sad. -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Wassmer Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 1:03 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: issues I have with the new update. Hello folks. I usually don't post on here much. However, I am very displeased with Apple. For a company that is very Reputable, I expect a lot more out of apple. I am extremely disappointed. I just might let them know this. First, when a person dials a number manually with voice-over, the numbers stick. I don't know if this is fixed in IOS 8.02 or not. Second, I use my blue tooth keyboard a lot. Now my key board does not type or activate items with Voice-over. I can navigate on the screen. But not type or activate items. On previous updates the issues mentioned above didn't exist. I took my iPhone to the Apple store and they couldn't figure out the issue. I am not mad at the technicians at the store. I am upset with the developers of Apple. They should know better. Also what's this crap of them updating the software and then having the cell phone service not working. If apple keeps this bull crap going on they will lose customer such as myself who have grown to love Apple products. I might email apple and let them know this. If Apple continues to do foolish things like this on their updates, then I will switch to a droid. What a sad day that would be. What do you all think? -- Kevin Wassmer kevinwass...@gmail.com 801-879-2991 -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions or concerns about the running of this list, or if you feel that a member's post is inappropriate, please contact the owners or moderators directly rather than posting on the list itself. The archives for this list can be searched at http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- The following information is important for all members of the viphone list. All new members to the this list are moderated by default. If you have any questions
