Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-13 Thread David Chittenden
Hello, Something to consider, if people respond to what you write in a way that seems to misinterpret what you are intending to say, perhaps you are not stating things clearly. By your initial post, it appears that you are extremely negative about Apple. Maybe some rewording to lessen the

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread christopher
hi james whilst i would agree with some of your comments i would like to remind us all that apple were the first companie to support us by making there phones accessable out of the box. i used to be a nokia fan but they had loads of bugs with there phones and they didn't have a screen reader

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, I'm confused, what does this have to do with anything? At least in regards to the post you were replying to? I never understood those if questions. I mean, what if the sky wasn't blue? What if water wasn't wet? iPhone screens are not going blank for 60 seconds once a week on every

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Ricardo Walker
Oh boy. now, don't get me wrong but, just because issues that are personally effecting you, and haven't been addressed, doesn't mean they don't care. I mean really? In my opinion, care is a relative term here. They don't care as much as who exactly? Google? RIM? Microsoft? Samsung? HTC?

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Tristan
. Apple's with us!! VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com Jun 11 10:52PM -0400 Our input is heard loud and clear and we are not being put on the back burner you have blind people specifically working on the mac and iOS to make it a awesome experience for us. We take things in stride and we

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread David Chittenden
Hello, And how is this is different from Microsoft, Nokia, or other large companies? In the case of Microsoft, Windows Mobile has become less and less accessible over the years. Windows Phone Seven is completely inaccessible. Nokia is in the process of switching all their phones over to

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread David Chittenden
Hello, Yep, and we are such a big market. The fact is, blindness, at the level of US legal visual impairment or worse, is less than 0.6% of the world population. We are a very low incidence group. It does not hurt companies, at all, when they ignore our market, because our market share is so

RE: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Jesus Garcia
08:23 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's with us!! Hello, Yep, and we are such a big market. The fact is, blindness, at the level of US legal visual impairment or worse, is less than 0.6% of the world population. We are a very low incidence group. It does not hurt companies

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread chris hallsworth
Same here, it's Apple all the way for me, or at least with mobile devices. I do have a Windows PC but so what. I'm still an Apple fanatic. On 12/06/2012 13:23, David Chittenden wrote: Hello, Yep, and we are such a big market. The fact is, blindness, at the level of US legal visual impairment

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Christopher Chaltain
, 2012 08:08 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's with us!! Hello, And how is this is different from Microsoft, Nokia, or other large companies? In the case of Microsoft, Windows Mobile has become less and less accessible over the years. Windows Phone Seven is completely

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Sieghard
Hi David and others, I recently listened to a Podcast from a guy in Marburg, Germany which is where I attended the German Secondary School for the Blind and he reviewed a new Samsung phone running Android 4.0 (Icecream Sandwich).. The Podcast consisted of 2 approx. 1 hour episodes and after I

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Teresa Cochran
As an aside, I'm intensely curious as to what was the inspiration/motivation for Apple to make their products accessible? Of course it's good marketing practice, but I'm thinking there's a bit more of a story to it than that. Was someone known to be having visual issues? A Family member or

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Hank Smith
same here. On 6/12/2012 8:17 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Same here, it's Apple all the way for me, or at least with mobile devices. I do have a Windows PC but so what. I'm still an Apple fanatic. On 12/06/2012 13:23, David Chittenden wrote: Hello, Yep, and we are such a big market. The fact

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Christopher Chaltain
The story that I've heard, and I've heard this from multiple reliable sources, is that Apple was losing out to Microsoft on government and educational contracts because they had no accessibility story. this was after Berkley Systems and Outspoken went by the way side. Since there was no longer a

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Ricardo Walker
Hi, I don't think it was the number of people who left because of a lack of accessibility. This number is so small, not to even be counted by a company as big as Apple but, that lack of accessibility would have left them in the short end of the stick in regards to those contracts with

RE: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Mike Cassidy
June 2012 08:26 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's with us!! hi james whilst i would agree with some of your comments i would like to remind us all that apple were the first companie to support us by making there phones accessable out of the box. i used

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Traci
. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher Sent: 12 June 2012 08:26 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's with us!! hi james whilst i would agree with some

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread VaShaun Jones
I agree...point taken. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread James Mannion
Definitely Apple provides the best accessibility. That is much appreciated for sure and I have mentioned that. I still stand by it. There is no other platform of the alternatives that I am aware of providing acceptible accessibility imo. Google does not. Windows obviously does not. Rim does not

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-12 Thread Pete Nalda
Ricardo, I'll agree with you we're not that big an audience, but, I do think, when they decided to do Accessibility, they decided to do it right, as I'd bet the Spoken interface Beta seed brought in a bunch of folks, and so they decided that hey, there is really interest in this community, and

Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread Avnish Chopra
Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread Blinkin
I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread Richard Turner
Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread Chuck Dean
In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread James Mannion
Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread VaShaun Jones
Our input is heard loud and clear and we are not being put on the back burner you have blind people specifically working on the mac and iOS to make it a awesome experience for us. We take things in stride and we implement when possible. Blind people have worked extremely hard to make this

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread VaShaun Jones
Actually thats 112 Billion dollars. I'm just saying! On Jun 11, 2012, at 9:43 PM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread James Mannion
Yes, having gone off on my frustrations with the trends I have observed, I should say that I have not had issues with 5.1 or over one day now 5.1.1 that really cause me any big problems. Fortunately I do not really use the calendar for all day appointments, if I did that would be frustrating, the

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread Christopher Chaltain
I agree with your post except for the gratuitous Windows bashing. The sentiment from customers that their pet bugs aren't being addressed is human nature and has nothing to do with Windows. I hear the same thing from AIX, Ubuntu, Symbian, ..., users, as well as from users of almost all

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread Teresa Cochran
the risk we take in buying off-the-shelf software that is accessible is that there will be some glitches in its operation. I should say, there might be more glitches in its operation than for a blindness-specific product. I think the blindness community has a tendency to expect the same results

Re: Apple's with us!!

2012-06-11 Thread Chuck Dean
If every iPhone's screen went totally blank for 60 seconds ,once a week... how long do you think it would take Apple to send out a fix? Do you think they would announce that 6.0 is coming and all the greatb things about it before the fix? On Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30:25 AM UTC-7,