Re: a tap tapt see rant
My problem with TapTapSee has always been the fact that I cannot send a question along with the image. As for labels being read, whether it is a human, or a computer, print is not like braille. If the camera is moving, in the slightest, print blurs. If the camera is tilted at all, in any direction, from the plain of the writing, parallax causes parts of the text to look very different, and may well make it unreadable. If the lighting is blocked in any way, shading may well shadow parts of the text and cause the text to become unreadable. If the camera is too close to the text, the text may become so large in the picture that only part of it is there. If the camera is too far, the text becomes so small that it cannot be recognised. And, when two or more of these factors are combined, it becomes even more difficult to recognise / read the text. Oh, and let's not forget, if the camera lens becomes too smudged, text and other images become blurry. If your recognition images have been getting worse over time, the first thing I would do is use windex on the camera lens. According to what I have read, Apple suggests only using Windex to cleanse the special glass which covers the camera lens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 20:17, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I do use CamFind and like it a lot because one time I took a picture of a bottle of Permabond metal adhesive and I went to their web site and found the instructions on how to use it. That app is a definite keeper. It just bothers me that TTS was really good and I used to use it a lot but now it does not work as well as it once did. as I said before, I have no problem paying and that is not the issue here. Kay - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: RE: a tap tapt see rant Hi Kay, With all respect, you just said you had to resort to Camfind to get the job done so that means you were able to get the job done with Camfind, a free app, so why not just use it from now on or at least until Tap Tap See has made it possible to ask a question along with your text. Keep in mind that Tap Tap See is only one app/project for the developers. I’m not an app developer, but I assume changing Tap Tap See so you can ask a question or maybe pick from a list of certain general questions may not be as easy as you think. Personally I am happy anytime I successfully use any of these apps, Tap Tap See, Camfind, Talking Goggles etc., to recognize anything since it’s sure a lot more than what I was able to do before. I’ve been to Chinese restaurants with friends and even some of them who were perfectly sighted had a hard time to read these tiny slips of paper that come out of a fortune cooky. Well, at least I hope your message when you finally got the answer was “You will experience great financial gain soon which allows you to buy more Tap Tap See credits” *smile*. Good fortune, Sieghard possibly implemented From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:16PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codeson it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know
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Eileen, I am afraid I am one of the few people on this list who has never really liked TapTapSee. When it was free it was at worst a dubious tool for me, but with the advent of the credit system I just deleted it from my phone. The tools I tend to use for various types of identification are: textGrabber, camFind, and red laser. As for fortune cookies, I have never had one! I can only imagine that the print is very small and His Honour tiny piece of paper? This would, probably, pose a problem for most of the OCR packages. However, I will say this: textGrabber has developed into a really useful scanning tool. It works well FreeHand nowadays. It is easy to turn the flash on which greatly improves your results. The only time it has let me down was, in fact, yesterday. I was attempting to show the app off to some other VO users while we were all travelling together on the train. In the past, I have used, with some success, both Prizmo and TextGrabber while travelling on the train. But because TextGrabber has developed a more effective automatic focusing system, which works well in a steady environment, The movement of the train meant it can no longer work there. A small price to pay for a really excellent app. Speaking personally, rather than use a nap like TapTapSee, I would prefer, if it was really necessary, to Either use FaceTime or even Facebook to get help from others to identify something for which my other apps will not work. JMT, Sandy (HRH) Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 05:05, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, You have a point, but I wondering if Sandy (Queen of OCR) uses TapTapSee current version and is having problems with it. I feel like I am fairly skillful using OCR apps and before the update to tapTapSee that their were numerous times that I needed to retake a picture because of it not being identified on the first take. JMO. Eileen On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:00 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Each time you take a picture of a paper with text on it does not guarantee the text will be recognisable, even by a human. Start working with an OCR app to develop an understanding what I am talking about. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 16:33, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting
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Sorry to inject levity into this discussion but my fortune the other day at the Chinese restaurant was how deep would the oceans be if there were no sponges. If most fortunes are like that, I'm not sure you're missing much. To keep this on topic, I would think an app like Text Grabber might work better but you've got the issues of the very tiny print and the curling paper to deal with. To end on a related note: Be persistent and you'll receive your ultimate reward. Alan Lemly -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:34 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: a tap tapt see rant Hi Kay, With all respect, you just said you had to resort to Camfind to get the job done so that means you were able to get the job done with Camfind, a free app, so why not just use it from now on or at least until Tap Tap See has made it possible to ask a question along with your text. Keep in mind that Tap Tap See is only one app/project for the developers. I'm not an app developer, but I assume changing Tap Tap See so you can ask a question or maybe pick from a list of certain general questions may not be as easy as you think. Personally I am happy anytime I successfully use any of these apps, Tap Tap See, Camfind, Talking Goggles etc., to recognize anything since it's sure a lot more than what I was able to do before. I've been to Chinese restaurants with friends and even some of them who were perfectly sighted had a hard time to read these tiny slips of paper that come out of a fortune cooky. Well, at least I hope your message when you finally got the answer was You will experience great financial gain soon which allows you to buy more Tap Tap See credits *smile*. Good fortune, Sieghard possibly implemented From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost mailto:robinn...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can't assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I'm amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I'm not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn't greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I'm just saying that I'm glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper
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Hi Sandy, I have never used Texj Grabber in a moving vehicle. I'll have to store that in my tips bag for the future. Thanks for the tip on using Facetime. I have never used it, so I'll have to read up on what is involved. I do have plenty of family and friends that have iPhones. Also, MBraille now supports a dot command for it, so it will make it a snap to use it. With Red Laser, it has been hit and miss if I can find the barcode and get it to work. I usually end up using Digit-Eyes or Talking Goggles, which depends on what I need to identify. Text Grabber is my app of choice with the StandScan. It is more accurate than my scan and read software and hardware on my PC. Oh by the way, a cookie fortune is a tiny piece of paper maybe 1/2 X 1-1/2 in size (approx.). Cheers, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Feb 2, 2014, at 3:51 AM, Sandratomkins sandratomk...@googlemail.com wrote: Eileen, I am afraid I am one of the few people on this list who has never really liked TapTapSee. When it was free it was at worst a dubious tool for me, but with the advent of the credit system I just deleted it from my phone. The tools I tend to use for various types of identification are: textGrabber, camFind, and red laser. As for fortune cookies, I have never had one! I can only imagine that the print is very small and His Honour tiny piece of paper? This would, probably, pose a problem for most of the OCR packages. However, I will say this: textGrabber has developed into a really useful scanning tool. It works well FreeHand nowadays. It is easy to turn the flash on which greatly improves your results. The only time it has let me down was, in fact, yesterday. I was attempting to show the app off to some other VO users while we were all travelling together on the train. In the past, I have used, with some success, both Prizmo and TextGrabber while travelling on the train. But because TextGrabber has developed a more effective automatic focusing system, which works well in a steady environment, The movement of the train meant it can no longer work there. A small price to pay for a really excellent app. Speaking personally, rather than use a nap like TapTapSee, I would prefer, if it was really necessary, to Either use FaceTime or even Facebook to get help from others to identify something for which my other apps will not work. JMT, Sandy (HRH) Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 05:05, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, You have a point, but I wondering if Sandy (Queen of OCR) uses TapTapSee current version and is having problems with it. I feel like I am fairly skillful using OCR apps and before the update to tapTapSee that their were numerous times that I needed to retake a picture because of it not being identified on the first take. JMO. Eileen On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:00 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Each time you take a picture of a paper with text on it does not guarantee the text will be recognisable, even by a human. Start working with an OCR app to develop an understanding what I am talking about. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 16:33, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More
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Hi Sieghard, Let me just say that the ability to send text, since the app is already sending an image, is basically trivial. Now this does not address how the back end that the app uses deals with the text sent or if it can actually receive anything but images. However, as far as sending text from an app is concerned, it's basically super easy. :) I really feel that one point is almost being missed here, which is that if there is a question field for the customer, sure, images may still come back with no usable results, but at least the customer can be alerted to this and why this has happened, (I.E. image is too dark, or no clear text in image etc.) so the customer can more easily correct any issues. So in this respect I completely agree with Kay here. This app's main purpose is too assist blind and visually impaired people. If these are the concerns that are important to this population then the app does need to address these concerns, or at least attempt to. As you say, perhaps Tap Tap See is in fact addressing these concerns, so we'll see... Just my thoughts and thanks as always for some well-thought-out messages! :) Smiles, Cara :) On Feb 1, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote: Jerry, I think a lot of people still find Tap Tap See useful, get good information and don't mind the fact that sometimes what comes back is not perfect. The fact is that Tap Tap See occurs the cost of the image recognition whether the information is what you want or maybe even if the information you want is in your photo. Anyhow, Tap Tap See is one of several apps out there and you make the choice as to whether you want to use it or maybe I should say you choose whether it's worth it to you to buy credits. If not, there is Camfind, Digit-Eyes, Red Laser, Talking Googles and others most of which are free or can be purchased with a one-time payment. I think it's unfair to claim Tap Tap See isn't doing anything to add the ability to ask a question or to complain the feature is not yet there. Why don't we wait another 4 or 6 months, if it's not there then maybe it's OK to complain. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfJerry Mader Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: a tap tapt see rant Yes, I agree, I as well have stopped buying credit for this app. I'm not going to buy credit for a product that doesn't help me find the information I need. We have to have the ability to ask a question or at least type one. Tap Tap See isn't giving out the information any longer as well as it used to after the purchasing of credits came into the picture. Something needs to be done here, because I'm not wasting money on something, that I can't use, and I'm sure many would agree with me. And every time we click a picture, if it gets answered, there goes another credit, even if the answer is wrong. This isn't right. Somehow if we get the information wrong we should be able to somehow make tap-tap-see aware of this and they should refund the credit back to us in my opinion. It just isn't right for us to have to pay for something that plainly isn't doing anything to help figure out what we're looking at. Wasn't this the ap's purpose anyway? At least that's how I perceived the description of it. Thanks Jerry Mader From: viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 11:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair
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Excellent Points David! :) Let me add to this that also, occasionally, a label may be designed in such a way that a logo or color scheme is not optimal for the particular lighting conditions or may simply be printed in colors which do not show up well for easy reading, even by humans. So images like this may be very difficult to be interpreted. Thanks and have a lovely day! Smiles, Cara :) On Feb 2, 2014, at 1:38 AM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: My problem with TapTapSee has always been the fact that I cannot send a question along with the image. As for labels being read, whether it is a human, or a computer, print is not like braille. If the camera is moving, in the slightest, print blurs. If the camera is tilted at all, in any direction, from the plain of the writing, parallax causes parts of the text to look very different, and may well make it unreadable. If the lighting is blocked in any way, shading may well shadow parts of the text and cause the text to become unreadable. If the camera is too close to the text, the text may become so large in the picture that only part of it is there. If the camera is too far, the text becomes so small that it cannot be recognised. And, when two or more of these factors are combined, it becomes even more difficult to recognise / read the text. Oh, and let's not forget, if the camera lens becomes too smudged, text and other images become blurry. If your recognition images have been getting worse over time, the first thing I would do is use windex on the camera lens. According to what I have read, Apple suggests only using Windex to cleanse the special glass which covers the camera lens. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 20:17, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I do use CamFind and like it a lot because one time I took a picture of a bottle of Permabond metal adhesive and I went to their web site and found the instructions on how to use it. That app is a definite keeper. It just bothers me that TTS was really good and I used to use it a lot but now it does not work as well as it once did. as I said before, I have no problem paying and that is not the issue here. Kay - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: RE: a tap tapt see rant Hi Kay, With all respect, you just said you had to resort to Camfind to get the job done so that means you were able to get the job done with Camfind, a free app, so why not just use it from now on or at least until Tap Tap See has made it possible to ask a question along with your text. Keep in mind that Tap Tap See is only one app/project for the developers. I'm not an app developer, but I assume changing Tap Tap See so you can ask a question or maybe pick from a list of certain general questions may not be as easy as you think. Personally I am happy anytime I successfully use any of these apps, Tap Tap See, Camfind, Talking Goggles etc., to recognize anything since it's sure a lot more than what I was able to do before. I've been to Chinese restaurants with friends and even some of them who were perfectly sighted had a hard time to read these tiny slips of paper that come out of a fortune cooky. Well, at least I hope your message when you finally got the answer was You will experience great financial gain soon which allows you to buy more Tap Tap See credits *smile*. Good fortune, Sieghard possibly implemented From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect
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I know the feeling, I have wasted about nine or 10 pictures on them telling me that I am taking a picture of a black container, and then they say it is a white strip of paper or a sticker and then they tell me that it says Dinner Dude, and then after a few more pictures I finally get the name of the dinner that is in the container area And I know that I am taking a picture of the sticker and it should be right on the riding On Feb 1, 2014, at 9:33 PM, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Cara, Maybe I wasn't clear. When I was talking about sending text I meant that it would send a question which one could type into a text box rather than recording it in one's own voice. One could of course then use Dictation to quickly record a short question as in most cases the question would be short. In my thinking this might be a better option than recording a question like what VizWiz does since a short snipped of text would be transmitted a lot faster than a piece of audio. I think if Tap Tap See had a picker box with certain well thought out questions like What information is displayed on this LED screen, Who is the sender of this letter/package or What colour is this piece of clothing etc. in addition to a text field it's usefulness and the quality of the results would be greatly increased. Take cjare, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cara Quinn Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 7:01 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi Sieghard, Let me just say that the ability to send text, since the app is already sending an image, is basically trivial. Now this does not address how the back end that the app uses deals with the text sent or if it can actually receive anything but images. However, as far as sending text from an app is concerned, it's basically super easy. :) I really feel that one point is almost being missed here, which is that if there is a question field for the customer, sure, images may still come back with no usable results, but at least the customer can be alerted to this and why this has happened, (I.E. image is too dark, or no clear text in image etc.) so the customer can more easily correct any issues. So in this respect I completely agree with Kay here. This app's main purpose is too assist blind and visually impaired people. If these are the concerns that are important to this population then the app does need to address these concerns, or at least attempt to. As you say, perhaps Tap Tap See is in fact addressing these concerns, so we'll see. Just my thoughts and thanks as always for some well-thought-out messages! :) Smiles, Cara :) On Feb 1, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca mailto:siegh...@live.ca wrote: Jerry, I think a lot of people still find Tap Tap See useful, get good information and don't mind the fact that sometimes what comes back is not perfect. The fact is that Tap Tap See occurs the cost of the image recognition whether the information is what you want or maybe even if the information you want is in your photo. Anyhow, Tap Tap See is one of several apps out there and you make the choice as to whether you want to use it or maybe I should say you choose whether it's worth it to you to buy credits. If not, there is Camfind, Digit-Eyes, Red Laser, Talking Googles and others most of which are free or can be purchased with a one-time payment. I think it's unfair to claim Tap Tap See isn't doing anything to add the ability to ask a question or to complain the feature is not yet there. Why don't we wait another 4 or 6 months, if it's not there then maybe it's OK to complain. Regards, Sieghard From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@ http://googlegroups.com/ googlegroups.com] On Behalf OfJerry Mader Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:26 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: a tap tapt see rant Yes, I agree, I as well have stopped buying credit for this app. I'm not going to buy credit for a product that doesn't help me find the information I need. We have to have the ability to ask a question or at least type one. Tap Tap See isn't giving out the information any longer as well as it used to after the purchasing of credits came into the picture. Something needs to be done here, because I'm not wasting money on something, that I can't use, and I'm sure many would agree with me. And every time we click a picture, if it gets answered, there goes another credit, even if the answer is wrong. This isn't right. Somehow if we get the information wrong we should be able to somehow make tap-tap-see aware of this and they should refund the credit back to us in my opinion. It just isn't right for us to have to pay for something that plainly isn't doing anything to help figure out what we're looking at. Wasn't this the ap's purpose anyway? At least that's how I perceived the description of it. Thanks Jerry Mader From: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@ http://googlegroups.com/ googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 11:16 PM To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet
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Just to add to this. I have a C Crane radio which has the 2 meter ham band. Since I wanted to set the five presets, I attempted to use Taptapsee to identify the digits on the display. I am pretty sure I had the display on focus with good lighting. So I took the picture and was told that it was a gray Crane radio. This sort of thing just adds to my frustration. In fairness to the software, I have gotten good results on other occasions. Don Roberts On 2/1/2014 7:52 PM, Teresa Christian wrote: Hey Kay, Lol, I have had the same thing happen and had the same conversation with my iPhone and Tap Tap See. I have a couple of other scanner apps on my phone so usually I will try those first and use Tap Tap See sparingly for the exact reason you just stated. On 2/1/14, Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can’t assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I’m amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I’m not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn’t greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I’m just saying that I’m glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send
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I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Yes, I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill. You're wasting pictures on something as small as a fortune cookie paper? I don't think you can expect a reading in one or two pictures. Kyle On Feb 1, 2014, at 10:33 PM, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can’t assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I’m amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I’m not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn’t greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I’m just saying that I’m glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Hey Kay, Lol, I have had the same thing happen and had the same conversation with my iPhone and Tap Tap See. I have a couple of other scanner apps on my phone so usually I will try those first and use Tap Tap See sparingly for the exact reason you just stated. On 2/1/14, Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can’t assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I’m amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I’m not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn’t greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I’m just saying that I’m glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Check out my blog at synergydragon2.empowernetwork.com Challenge is a dragon with a gift in its mouth. Tame the dragon and the gift is yours. Create yourself a fabulous day! ☺ Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing
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Each time you take a picture of a paper with text on it does not guarantee the text will be recognisable, even by a human. Start working with an OCR app to develop an understanding what I am talking about. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 16:33, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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I think in short what he is saying is that nothing would replace a working set of eyes lol. from Mich. - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 11:00 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Each time you take a picture of a paper with text on it does not guarantee the text will be recognisable, even by a human. Start working with an OCR app to develop an understanding what I am talking about. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 16:33, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: a tap tapt see rant
hi, I'm goint to wait to use this ap again after they put in a section so that you can verbaly or send a text question along with the picture inabaling better results. Though I think the writing on those slips of paper might be hard for anyone to read even with a good camera with good pixal count. Atleast they could tell you that though. Billy Maynard - Original Message - From: David Chittenden To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:00 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Each time you take a picture of a paper with text on it does not guarantee the text will be recognisable, even by a human. Start working with an OCR app to develop an understanding what I am talking about. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 16:33, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: a tap tapt see rant
Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can’t assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I’m amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I’m not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn’t greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I’m just saying that I’m glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com
RE: a tap tapt see rant
Yes, I agree, I as well have stopped buying credit for this app. I’m not going to buy credit for a product that doesn’t help me find the information I need. We have to have the ability to ask a question or at least type one. Tap Tap See isn’t giving out the information any longer as well as it used to after the purchasing of credits came into the picture. Something needs to be done here, because I’m not wasting money on something, that I can’t use, and I’m sure many would agree with me. And every time we click a picture, if it gets answered, there goes another credit, even if the answer is wrong. This isn’t right. Somehow if we get the information wrong we should be able to somehow make tap-tap-see aware of this and they should refund the credit back to us in my opinion. It just isn’t right for us to have to pay for something that plainly isn’t doing anything to help figure out what we’re looking at. Wasn’t this the ap’s purpose anyway? At least that’s how I perceived the description of it. Thanks Jerry Mader From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 11:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost mailto:robinn...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can’t assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I’m amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I’m not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn’t greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I’m just saying that I’m glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted
Re: a tap tapt see rant
Hi, I really value your post. I have been one of those who have been out on the fence and not purchase a 100 picture package, nor have I updated TaTapSee, which sits in my app store. Do you have Talking Goggles? I know it's not perfect, but it could give you enough of the info to identify the items you need. I just used it yesterday when I needed to trouble shoot my computer screen and give me the info I needed to make a decision on how to proceed. It's just a thought. Like you, I am disappointed that TapTapSee changed their business model, but I do understand why. In the past, there had been times when I needed to take more than one picture and the picture and would have counted against my 100 count. It's not that I object to supporting the debs and paying the fee, but I would like to have increased accuracy in the responses. I guess I am still one of the luckier ones that I still get a response to VizWiz when I send them a picture. JMO. Best, Eileen On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can't assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I'm amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I'm not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn't greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I'm just saying that I'm glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message
Re: a tap tapt see rant
Hi David, You have a point, but I wondering if Sandy (Queen of OCR) uses TapTapSee current version and is having problems with it. I feel like I am fairly skillful using OCR apps and before the update to tapTapSee that their were numerous times that I needed to retake a picture because of it not being identified on the first take. JMO. Eileen On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:00 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Each time you take a picture of a paper with text on it does not guarantee the text will be recognisable, even by a human. Start working with an OCR app to develop an understanding what I am talking about. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 16:33, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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Gosh, even if I am lucky enough to be around a sighted person, and ask for information on an item, they do not provide me with the information I am seeking on the first time--at least half the time. I recently moved, and since there was no way I could pack my entire household by myself in the amount of time we had, I started unpacking and no idea what all of these bottles were. I used Tap Tap See and while I got some woman holding black and blue bottle I bet 95% of the time I got true useful information. I too would love to see a text box put in, because when I held up a bag of coffee, I wanted to know if it was decaf or reg, and instead I just got the brand name. Digit-Eyes solved it for me, but. . . On 2/1/2014 9:59 PM, Eileen Misrahi wrote: Hi, I really value your post. I have been one of those who have been out on the fence and not purchase a 100 picture package, nor have I updated TaTapSee, which sits in my app store. Do you have Talking Goggles? I know it's not perfect, but it could give you enough of the info to identify the items you need. I just used it yesterday when I needed to trouble shoot my computer screen and give me the info I needed to make a decision on how to proceed. It's just a thought. Like you, I am disappointed that TapTapSee changed their business model, but I do understand why. In the past, there had been times when I needed to take more than one picture and the picture and would have counted against my 100 count. It's not that I object to supporting the debs and paying the fee, but I would like to have increased accuracy in the responses. I guess I am still one of the luckier ones that I still get a response to VizWiz when I send them a picture. JMO. Best, Eileen On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - *From:*Robin Frost mailto:robinn...@gmail.com *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Sent:*Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM *Subject:*Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can't assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I'm amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I'm not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn't greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I'm just saying that I'm glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin *From:*Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com *Sent:*Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM *To:*viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com *Subject:*a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction
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I like vizwiz. I tend to have to wait for my answer but it's still sent across none the same. I think it is the better app in this regard. Jerry Mader From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eileen Misrahi Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:00 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I really value your post. I have been one of those who have been out on the fence and not purchase a 100 picture package, nor have I updated TaTapSee, which sits in my app store. Do you have Talking Goggles? I know it's not perfect, but it could give you enough of the info to identify the items you need. I just used it yesterday when I needed to trouble shoot my computer screen and give me the info I needed to make a decision on how to proceed. It's just a thought. Like you, I am disappointed that TapTapSee changed their business model, but I do understand why. In the past, there had been times when I needed to take more than one picture and the picture and would have counted against my 100 count. It's not that I object to supporting the debs and paying the fee, but I would like to have increased accuracy in the responses. I guess I am still one of the luckier ones that I still get a response to VizWiz when I send them a picture. JMO. Best, Eileen On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost mailto:robinn...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can't assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I'm amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I'm not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn't greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I'm just saying that I'm glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off
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Hi Kay, With all respect, you just said you had to resort to Camfind to get the job done so that means you were able to get the job done with Camfind, a free app, so why not just use it from now on or at least until Tap Tap See has made it possible to ask a question along with your text. Keep in mind that Tap Tap See is only one app/project for the developers. I’m not an app developer, but I assume changing Tap Tap See so you can ask a question or maybe pick from a list of certain general questions may not be as easy as you think. Personally I am happy anytime I successfully use any of these apps, Tap Tap See, Camfind, Talking Goggles etc., to recognize anything since it’s sure a lot more than what I was able to do before. I’ve been to Chinese restaurants with friends and even some of them who were perfectly sighted had a hard time to read these tiny slips of paper that come out of a fortune cooky. Well, at least I hope your message when you finally got the answer was “You will experience great financial gain soon which allows you to buy more Tap Tap See credits” *smile*. Good fortune, Sieghard possibly implemented From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost mailto:robinn...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can’t assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I’m amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I’m not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn’t greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I’m just saying that I’m glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved
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Jerry, I think a lot of people still find Tap Tap See useful, get good information and don’t mind the fact that sometimes what comes back is not perfect. The fact is that Tap Tap See occurs the cost of the image recognition whether the information is what you want or maybe even if the information you want is in your photo. Anyhow, Tap Tap See is one of several apps out there and you make the choice as to whether you want to use it or maybe I should say you choose whether it’s worth it to you to buy credits. If not, there is Camfind, Digit-Eyes, Red Laser, Talking Googles and others most of which are free or can be purchased with a one-time payment. I think it’s unfair to claim Tap Tap See isn’t doing anything to add the ability to ask a question or to complain the feature is not yet there. Why don’t we wait another 4 or 6 months, if it’s not there then maybe it’s OK to complain. Regards, Sieghard From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Mader Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: a tap tapt see rant Yes, I agree, I as well have stopped buying credit for this app. I’m not going to buy credit for a product that doesn’t help me find the information I need. We have to have the ability to ask a question or at least type one. Tap Tap See isn’t giving out the information any longer as well as it used to after the purchasing of credits came into the picture. Something needs to be done here, because I’m not wasting money on something, that I can’t use, and I’m sure many would agree with me. And every time we click a picture, if it gets answered, there goes another credit, even if the answer is wrong. This isn’t right. Somehow if we get the information wrong we should be able to somehow make tap-tap-see aware of this and they should refund the credit back to us in my opinion. It just isn’t right for us to have to pay for something that plainly isn’t doing anything to help figure out what we’re looking at. Wasn’t this the ap’s purpose anyway? At least that’s how I perceived the description of it. Thanks Jerry Mader From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 11:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost mailto:robinn...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can’t assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I’m amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I’m not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn’t greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I’m just saying that I’m glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist mailto:kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
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I think that in at least some cases, the user may be expecting results that the app was not meant to provide. If you want text read to you, why not use an OCR app? Andy From: Jerry Mader Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:26 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: a tap tapt see rant Yes, I agree, I as well have stopped buying credit for this app. Iâ EURO (tm)m not going to buy credit for a product that doesnâ EURO (tm)t help me find the information I need. We have to have the ability to ask a question or at least type one. Tap Tap See isnâ EURO (tm)t giving out the information any longer as well as it used to after the purchasing of credits came into the picture. Something needs to be done here, because Iâ EURO (tm)m not wasting money on something, that I canâ EURO (tm)t use, and Iâ EURO (tm)m sure many would agree with me. And every time we click a picture, if it gets answered, there goes another credit, even if the answer is wrong. This isnâ EURO (tm)t right. Somehow if we get the information wrong we should be able to somehow make tap-tap-see aware of this and they should refund the credit back to us in my opinion. It just isnâ EURO (tm)t right for us to have to pay for something that plainly isnâ EURO (tm)t doing anything to help figure out what weâ EURO (tm)re looking at. Wasnâ EURO (tm)t this the apâ EURO (tm)s purpose anyway? At least thatâ EURO (tm)s how I perceived the description of it. Thanks Jerry Mader From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 11:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We canâ EURO (tm)t assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth Iâ EURO (tm)m amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again Iâ EURO (tm)m not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isnâ EURO (tm)t greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. Iâ EURO (tm)m just saying that Iâ EURO (tm)m glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might
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I use OCR on a daily basis to very good effect. I do not use TapTapSee because I cannot ask a question with my image. That said, I fully understand why the developers charge as they do. It costs significant amounts of money to process the images. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 18:05, Eileen Misrahi eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, You have a point, but I wondering if Sandy (Queen of OCR) uses TapTapSee current version and is having problems with it. I feel like I am fairly skillful using OCR apps and before the update to tapTapSee that their were numerous times that I needed to retake a picture because of it not being identified on the first take. JMO. Eileen On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:00 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote: Each time you take a picture of a paper with text on it does not guarantee the text will be recognisable, even by a human. Start working with an OCR app to develop an understanding what I am talking about. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 2 Feb 2014, at 16:33, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid for 100 pictures and feel this is a huge rip off. If I had a way to ask even though in this case I don't feel I should have to state the obvious, A lot of time and wasted effort could have been eliminated. Any thoughts anybody? Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. Post a new message to VIPhone by emailing viphone@googlegroups.com. Search and view the VIPhone archives by visiting http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. Reach the VIPhone owner and moderators by emailing viphone+ow...@googlegroups.com. Unsubscribe and leave VIPhone by emailing viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. More VIPhone group options can be found by visiting http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups VIPhone group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received
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Eileen, I don't have a problem in the world with paying, I just think that we should get what we pay for. I don't know or understand what happened to the accuracy of what we need. Kay - Original Message - From: Eileen Misrahi To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:59 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I really value your post. I have been one of those who have been out on the fence and not purchase a 100 picture package, nor have I updated TaTapSee, which sits in my app store. Do you have Talking Goggles? I know it's not perfect, but it could give you enough of the info to identify the items you need. I just used it yesterday when I needed to trouble shoot my computer screen and give me the info I needed to make a decision on how to proceed. It's just a thought. Like you, I am disappointed that TapTapSee changed their business model, but I do understand why. In the past, there had been times when I needed to take more than one picture and the picture and would have counted against my 100 count. It's not that I object to supporting the debs and paying the fee, but I would like to have increased accuracy in the responses. I guess I am still one of the luckier ones that I still get a response to VizWiz when I send them a picture. JMO. Best, Eileen On Feb 1, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Kay Malmquist kay.malmqu...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can't assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I'm amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I'm not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn't greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I'm just saying that I'm glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops! wrong side so I flip it over. Then next I get, white paper with black text. No kidding! Next I finally am treated to the actual fortune. Now I had another one stuffed in my jacket pocket so I decided since I was in picture wasting mode I might as well try for more. First was fortune cookie paper, then text on white paper, then numbers, my bad again, turn it over. Then back to same stuff different side. Finally, the words I had been waiting to hear. all in all, 11 pictures wasted before outcome is achieved. I have paid
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Yes, I do use CamFind and like it a lot because one time I took a picture of a bottle of Permabond metal adhesive and I went to their web site and found the instructions on how to use it. That app is a definite keeper. It just bothers me that TTS was really good and I used to use it a lot but now it does not work as well as it once did. as I said before, I have no problem paying and that is not the issue here. Kay - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2014 12:33 AM Subject: RE: a tap tapt see rant Hi Kay, With all respect, you just said you had to resort to Camfind to get the job done so that means you were able to get the job done with Camfind, a free app, so why not just use it from now on or at least until Tap Tap See has made it possible to ask a question along with your text. Keep in mind that Tap Tap See is only one app/project for the developers. I’m not an app developer, but I assume changing Tap Tap See so you can ask a question or maybe pick from a list of certain general questions may not be as easy as you think. Personally I am happy anytime I successfully use any of these apps, Tap Tap See, Camfind, Talking Goggles etc., to recognize anything since it’s sure a lot more than what I was able to do before. I’ve been to Chinese restaurants with friends and even some of them who were perfectly sighted had a hard time to read these tiny slips of paper that come out of a fortune cooky. Well, at least I hope your message when you finally got the answer was “You will experience great financial gain soon which allows you to buy more Tap Tap See credits” *smile*. Good fortune, Sieghard possibly implemented From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 8:16 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Yes, but the ability to ask questions has already been put to the fine people at TTS and still nothing as of yet. That is not to say it isn't being worked on. I don't care how small or stupid to some people a fortune is, not everybody is going to want the same things from an app. It has done me many favors and read some really neat things to me but it seems more and more as though it is not doing the job expected. Several months ago, if I took a picture of a fortune cookie paper, which I had done, it would be read the first time. This is not the case any more. I have meat in my freezer which I buy by the side and by the pig and It does not have bar codes on it and just has labels that have to be read. TTS Used to get these right on the first try and this is not the case any more. I have to resort to CamFind to get the job done any more and nothing has changed I might add. - Original Message - From: Robin Frost To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 9:44 PM Subject: Re: a tap tapt see rant Hi, I write the following in humility and with the utmost respect. While I too have always been a proponent of an ask a specific question feature and think it certainly could serve only to enhance the usefulness and efficiency of the app for all users, it seems to me that your reaction in this instance might be a bit unfair. After all given the scope of the information the app delivers to recognizers at this juncture they did give accurate information based on that which they had available to them. You know what they say about assuming (smile). We can’t assume that what we wish to know is obvious to them any more than they could or necessarily should assume that they can deduce exactly that you wanted the actual text of the fortune. In truth I’m amazed that it came out clearly enough for someone to eventually recognize for you. Again I’m not disagreeing that an ask a specific question via text feature in the app isn’t greatly longed for and perhaps necessary to enhance its usefulness. I’m just saying that I’m glad your rant was first directed at us as opposed to them (smile). Perhaps when the heat of the moment has dissipated a request for such a feature and explanation of how it could only benefit both users of the app and those who recognize images might be easier for you to send their way. Just my two cents no one asked for and no one is obligated to live by. Robin From: Kay Malmquist Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2014 10:33 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: a tap tapt see rant I need to write this to the people at Tap Tap See, but right now I am anything but constructive. For some odd reason I love to know what my fortune cookie says. So I started tap tap see and took a picture. first come back was, fortune cookie paper. Brilliant deduction Sherlock. I am blind not dense. Next came back with numbers. Oops
