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Hello, Something to consider, if people respond to what you write in a way that seems to misinterpret what you are intending to say, perhaps you are not stating things clearly. By your initial post, it appears that you are extremely negative about Apple. Maybe some rewording to lessen the apparent negative intensity in your wording might be appropriate if you do not wish to appear completely hostile toward the company. Comments like the company doesn't care about us or the company doesn't think about us are quite obviously incorrect considering that this is the only company which is placing a robust screen reader in to almost every product, and these sorts of comments, though emotionally satisfying for releasing frustration, tend to dissuade people from recognising the specific problems you are experiencing. When writing messages, it is always a good idea to place yourself as the recipient of what you are writing. How would you feel if you receive such a message about yourself. If it would upset you, expect similar reactions from others if you decide to send it. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 13/06/2012, at 14:08, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely Apple provides the best accessibility. That is much appreciated for sure and I have mentioned that. I still stand by it. There is no other platform of the alternatives that I am aware of providing acceptible accessibility imo. Google does not. Windows obviously does not. Rim does not and who cares. Also in my opinion, in general, Apple often doesn't appear to have a lot of concern about bugs. The statement thankfully is not limited at all to accessibility. I am going to try to stop adding to this thread. Obviously the feeling is very contraversial and some seem to feel that because they have provided great accessibility we are in turn required to humble ourselves to have no complaints about anything at all no matter what it is and no matter what about so far as it relates to Apple. I do not agree that is a required response. I will repeat, yes I absolutely appreciate and am absolutely thankful for the accessibility. Does that require giving up any right to hold them to any standard or to wish to for anything, no and the two do not conflict. On 6/12/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Oh boy. now, don't get me wrong but, just because issues that are personally effecting you, and haven't been addressed, doesn't mean they don't care. I mean really? In my opinion, care is a relative term here. They don't care as much as who exactly? Google? RIM? Microsoft? Samsung? HTC? All the companies making inaccessible touch panel appliances now a day? Of course, everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions but, as far as IOS goes, I think Apple does a better job than all others in the same field in regards to a stable mobile OS and, accessibility. I think the proof is, all though you feel the way you do, I haven't heard you mention going to another platform. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jun 11, 2012, at 9:43 PM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and
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hi james whilst i would agree with some of your comments i would like to remind us all that apple were the first companie to support us by making there phones accessable out of the box. i used to be a nokia fan but they had loads of bugs with there phones and they didn't have a screen reader on them from the factory. i appreciate it is frustrating with some of the buggs, but i have not found many at all on my phone, if you are getting lotts of bugs maybe speak to the prividor and get a replacement, as you could just have a faulty phone. Regards Christopher Huby tel no: 07967603395. Email 1: christopher.h...@blueyonder.co.uk email 2: christopher.h...@hotmail.co.uk On 12 Jun 2012, at 02:43 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hi, I'm confused, what does this have to do with anything? At least in regards to the post you were replying to? I never understood those if questions. I mean, what if the sky wasn't blue? What if water wasn't wet? iPhone screens are not going blank for 60 seconds once a week on every device. For that matter, not all voiceover users are experiencing speech loss once a week either. If it was, it would probably be a easier bug to report and fix. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jun 12, 2012, at 12:51 AM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: If every iPhone's screen went totally blank for 60 seconds ,once a week... how long do you think it would take Apple to send out a fix? Do you think they would announce that 6.0 is coming and all the greatb things about it before the fix? On Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30:25 AM UTC-7, AppleGourmet wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Oh boy. now, don't get me wrong but, just because issues that are personally effecting you, and haven't been addressed, doesn't mean they don't care. I mean really? In my opinion, care is a relative term here. They don't care as much as who exactly? Google? RIM? Microsoft? Samsung? HTC? All the companies making inaccessible touch panel appliances now a day? Of course, everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions but, as far as IOS goes, I think Apple does a better job than all others in the same field in regards to a stable mobile OS and, accessibility. I think the proof is, all though you feel the way you do, I haven't heard you mention going to another platform. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jun 11, 2012, at 9:43 PM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
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As for VoiceOver loosing speech, it happens at least once a day even after numerous restores. Sent from my iPhone On 12/06/2012, at 7:13 PM, viphone@googlegroups.com wrote: Today's Topic Summary Group: http://groups.google.com/group/viphone/topics Clearing History [1 Update] Apple's with us!! [10 Updates] several i phone questions [1 Update] An article on what's coming in iOS6 [2 Updates] I'm confused about locations in iMap weather radio [2 Updates] TicketGenie: or What to Do When An App Crashes [2 Updates] WWDC: What's new in iOS 6.0 [1 Update] automatic syncing [1 Update] itunes help [1 Update] changing the from address on the fly? [1 Update] restoring back up from icloud? [1 Update] Digest for viphone@googlegroups.com - 25 Messages in 9 Topics [1 Update] HOW TO SSH [1 Update] Clearing History Rob Harris bobs...@googlemail.com Jun 12 09:51AM +0100 In Safari, click bookmarks, under there is a history, click that; and at the bottom of that is a clear button. Hth, RobH. - Original Message - From: Tom Cramer tom.cram...@gmail.com To: viphone@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 12:33 AM Subject: Clearing History Hi there, I was wondering if anyone knows how to clear the internet history or cookies on an IPhone or if it can even be done. Ideas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. Apple's with us!! VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com Jun 11 10:52PM -0400 Our input is heard loud and clear and we are not being put on the back burner you have blind people specifically working on the mac and iOS to make it a awesome experience for us. We take things in stride and we implement when possible. Blind people have worked extremely hard to make this device 100% accessible to the best of our ability and we hate to hear that back burner talk that comes from the Windows world. Trust me I can vouch that accessibility is in the front of all of Apples product from the Apple TV to the actual walk in store and we will work hard to continue making amazing devices but stating that we were put on the back burner sheds a negative connotation on what progress we have made for all of us. I will say for a free screen reader we have done a hell of allot more than those other guys and it cost you nothing. VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com Jun 11 10:54PM -0400 Actually thats 112 Billion dollars. I'm just saying! James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com Jun 11 08:13PM -0700 Yes, having gone off on my frustrations with the trends I have observed, I should say that I have not had issues with 5.1 or over one day now 5.1.1 that really cause me any big problems. Fortunately I do not really use the calendar for all day appointments, if I did that would be frustrating, the unlock bug is very minor in all that it really causes, and loosing speech is the biggest issue although I have mostly avoided that one so far. It is frustrating knowing I have just been lucky though and it really exists as an issue. That one has been around for a good while and they have not addressed it though and I believe that to be a big problem. Fortunately most bugs are not really voiceover specific in what I have known of so the population at large can weigh in on them. Christopher Chaltain chalt...@gmail.com Jun 11 10:18PM -0500 I agree with your post except for the gratuitous Windows bashing. The sentiment from customers that their pet bugs aren't being addressed is human nature and has nothing to do with Windows. I hear the same thing from AIX, Ubuntu, Symbian, ..., users, as well as from users of almost all significantly complex user applications. It's also not restricted to the blind or accessibility short comings. Ditto for accessibility concerns. Again this is human nature, and probably has more to do with the general discrimination faced by the blind than it does with Windows. Again, I agree with the sentiment of your post, but I just think that the gratuitous Windows bashing doesn't add anything to your argument and just takes away from an otherwise good point. On 11/06/12 21:52, VaShaun Jones wrote: -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail Teresa Cochran vegaspipistre...@gmail.com Jun 11 08:45PM -0700 the risk we take in buying off-the-shelf software that is accessible is that there will be some glitches in its operation. I should say, there might be more glitches in its operation than for a blindness-specific product. I think the blindness community has a
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Hello, And how is this is different from Microsoft, Nokia, or other large companies? In the case of Microsoft, Windows Mobile has become less and less accessible over the years. Windows Phone Seven is completely inaccessible. Nokia is in the process of switching all their phones over to Windows Phone Seven. As to your comments about amounts of time between upgrades, how does it compare with Freedom Scientific? I believe FS still does one to two upgrades per year. Do they always answer your concerns promptly? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12/06/2012, at 13:43, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hello, Yep, and we are such a big market. The fact is, blindness, at the level of US legal visual impairment or worse, is less than 0.6% of the world population. We are a very low incidence group. It does not hurt companies, at all, when they ignore our market, because our market share is so tiny. If you are so frustrated with Apple, go to Android. The accessibility is still quite spotty, but it is supposedly good on a few Android phones. I, on the other hand, will stick with Apple. I really like how they are revolutionising our market. In fact, I am preparing my doctorate research on the Apple created new paradigm for the blind. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12/06/2012, at 16:51, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: If every iPhone's screen went totally blank for 60 seconds ,once a week... how long do you think it would take Apple to send out a fix? Do you think they would announce that 6.0 is coming and all the greatb things about it before the fix? On Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30:25 AM UTC-7, AppleGourmet wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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No question the only major company to have ever given a tinkers damn about including access in all there line of products thus far has been Apple. Android may have a future for those of us who are totally blind and I mean no light perception and no one to help with the access. I certainly hope they do simply because choice is always in my opinion a good thing, but Android is still a long way from what the apple line can provide. That is naturally my opinion. _ From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 08:23 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's with us!! Hello, Yep, and we are such a big market. The fact is, blindness, at the level of US legal visual impairment or worse, is less than 0.6% of the world population. We are a very low incidence group. It does not hurt companies, at all, when they ignore our market, because our market share is so tiny. If you are so frustrated with Apple, go to Android. The accessibility is still quite spotty, but it is supposedly good on a few Android phones. I, on the other hand, will stick with Apple. I really like how they are revolutionising our market. In fact, I am preparing my doctorate research on the Apple created new paradigm for the blind. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12/06/2012, at 16:51, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: If every iPhone's screen went totally blank for 60 seconds ,once a week... how long do you think it would take Apple to send out a fix? Do you think they would announce that 6.0 is coming and all the greatb things about it before the fix? On Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30:25 AM UTC-7, AppleGourmet wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Same here, it's Apple all the way for me, or at least with mobile devices. I do have a Windows PC but so what. I'm still an Apple fanatic. On 12/06/2012 13:23, David Chittenden wrote: Hello, Yep, and we are such a big market. The fact is, blindness, at the level of US legal visual impairment or worse, is less than 0.6% of the world population. We are a very low incidence group. It does not hurt companies, at all, when they ignore our market, because our market share is so tiny. If you are so frustrated with Apple, go to Android. The accessibility is still quite spotty, but it is supposedly good on a few Android phones. I, on the other hand, will stick with Apple. I really like how they are revolutionising our market. In fact, I am preparing my doctorate research on the Apple created new paradigm for the blind. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12/06/2012, at 16:51, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: If every iPhone's screen went totally blank for 60 seconds ,once a week... how long do you think it would take Apple to send out a fix? Do you think they would announce that 6.0 is coming and all the greatb things about it before the fix? On Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30:25 AM UTC-7, AppleGourmet wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Just a small point of clarification. Talks and Mobile Speak ran on Windows Mobile 6 and Windows Mobile 6.5. MS terminated the Windows Mobile platform with Windows Mobile 6.5. Their new entry into the mobile space was Windows Phone 7 which is a toally new platform and applications running on Windows Mobile won't automatically run on Windows Phone. As you said, there is no screen reader for the Windows Phone platform. On 12/06/12 11:04, Jesus Garcia wrote: An excellent point David I finally took the decision to purchase an iPhone after trying three different phones running Android and being told not to even bother with the windows mobile phones by both a representative from A T T, and the tech help desk from Microsoft. Windows mobile 7.5 removed support for even third party applications such as talks or mobile speak both of which I have used in the past. As I stated in the earlier post give credit where credit is do as a major company thus far Apple is the only one to make the entire line of products with accessibility built in to the product. Now if the argument is one of how perfect is that access well I doubt anyone would say it is perfect, but please name me a product even those products designed and marketed for blind or visually impaired consumers that can make the claim of perfect access. Jesus Garcia -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2012 08:08 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's with us!! Hello, And how is this is different from Microsoft, Nokia, or other large companies? In the case of Microsoft, Windows Mobile has become less and less accessible over the years. Windows Phone Seven is completely inaccessible. Nokia is in the process of switching all their phones over to Windows Phone Seven. As to your comments about amounts of time between upgrades, how does it compare with Freedom Scientific? I believe FS still does one to two upgrades per year. Do they always answer your concerns promptly? David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12/06/2012, at 13:43, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com
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Hi David and others, I recently listened to a Podcast from a guy in Marburg, Germany which is where I attended the German Secondary School for the Blind and he reviewed a new Samsung phone running Android 4.0 (Icecream Sandwich).. The Podcast consisted of 2 approx. 1 hour episodes and after I listened to the first I definitely had heard enough. Yes, there is speech and he was, after many attempts, able to turn it on and set up the phone, but if James thinks it is frustrating to work with Voiceover I think maybe he should get an Android phone, it's like people who complain about the standards of living here in North America or Europe, I always say to thm they should maybe go and live in a country like the Philippines or some other third-world country and to do so in the way 95% of the population lives there. Let's say Android has a long way to go to even come close to being as accessible as the iPhone, if James thinks Apple should update more often to push out specific fixes, how would that be in the Android market where the majority of users still use version 2.2 or 2.3 and these users probably won't even be able to upgrade their devices which are maybe less than 2 years old whereas any iPhone 3GS user can update to the latest version of iOS. Oh yes, and when was the last time you heard a commitement or even a mention from Microsoft or Google about Windows Phone 7 or Android accessibility? But with over 1,200 people on this list there are bound to be some who always look at the cup as half empty rather than half full, I prefer the half full approach, it makes for a more content and happier disposition. By the way, just to add to the Voiceover going silent thing, I have an iPhone 4S and while I don't use a dock, this has not happened once to me since I bought the phone last October. It happened a couple of times on my iPhone 4, mostly when using it with a dock at the time, I also sometimes had Voiceover become a bit sluggish and maybe a couple of times the phone sort of crashed, but typically it was nothing a power off and turning it back on didn't fix and it is a far cry from my old Windows Mobile 6.1 HTC S743, I had to always carrya paper clip or tooth pick so I could reset the thing. I could of course continue with one example after another demonstrating how the iPhone has changed the game completely by making a main stream device fully accessible, but I think we all know this so let's just remember it and show a bit of grace when it comes to the odd bug, after all, even sighted people deal with bugs and from what I heard Android users deal with enough of them even without throwing in a screenreader or other accessibility features. Oh, and one last remark regarding the size of the visually impaired market. It may be small now, but as the population ages and that is a worldwide trend especially in the western countries where a combination of good food, medical care and very little hard physical work causes the average age to go up more and more, there will be more and more old people who experience some sort of vision loss. At the same time more and more older people have used computers and technology so I predict that in the future, say 15 to 30 years from now the market for accessible devices will greatly increase. Regards, Sieghard -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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As an aside, I'm intensely curious as to what was the inspiration/motivation for Apple to make their products accessible? Of course it's good marketing practice, but I'm thinking there's a bit more of a story to it than that. Was someone known to be having visual issues? A Family member or someone within the company? It's very curious. Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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same here. On 6/12/2012 8:17 AM, chris hallsworth wrote: Same here, it's Apple all the way for me, or at least with mobile devices. I do have a Windows PC but so what. I'm still an Apple fanatic. On 12/06/2012 13:23, David Chittenden wrote: Hello, Yep, and we are such a big market. The fact is, blindness, at the level of US legal visual impairment or worse, is less than 0.6% of the world population. We are a very low incidence group. It does not hurt companies, at all, when they ignore our market, because our market share is so tiny. If you are so frustrated with Apple, go to Android. The accessibility is still quite spotty, but it is supposedly good on a few Android phones. I, on the other hand, will stick with Apple. I really like how they are revolutionising our market. In fact, I am preparing my doctorate research on the Apple created new paradigm for the blind. David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA Email: dchitten...@gmail.com Mobile: +64 21 2288 288 Sent from my iPhone On 12/06/2012, at 16:51, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: If every iPhone's screen went totally blank for 60 seconds ,once a week... how long do you think it would take Apple to send out a fix? Do you think they would announce that 6.0 is coming and all the greatb things about it before the fix? On Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30:25 AM UTC-7, AppleGourmet wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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The story that I've heard, and I've heard this from multiple reliable sources, is that Apple was losing out to Microsoft on government and educational contracts because they had no accessibility story. this was after Berkley Systems and Outspoken went by the way side. Since there was no longer a screen reader for Apple products, and no 3rd party was going to develop a screen reader for Apple products, Apple opted to develop one themselves. I like to think, that even if this was their initial motivation, they've seen even greater benefits from developing their own screen reader and having such a good accessibility story. On 12/06/12 13:45, Pete Nalda wrote: I wonder about this myself. Although, I think it was because they knew there were a lot of people who left apple, because the 3rd party programs were unstable, then OSX had no accessibility in the early years (Not really until Tiger), so people who were blind or had low vision were using PC's, and Apple wanted them back. It's just a guess. Myself, I came back when Tiger got Zoom curser tracking. I had used Zoom in Jaguar, but it wasn't really feasible. As soon as Tiger came out, I bought a used iBook, sold both my dell Latitude, and Compaq Presario, and never looked back. I also think they had a good turnout in the then-called Spoken Interface beta testing seed. By the time Snow Leopard got here, they knew we also wanted access to portable devices and the iPhone, so it didn't hurt to add that as well. As for where we're at now. I think we'll have to wait for both Mountain Lion, and OS 6 to be available to really see what fixes have been made. I remain optimistic. I challe nge anyone to find better accessibility than Apple, for *All* devices in a given platform. On Jun 12, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: As an aside, I'm intensely curious as to what was the inspiration/motivation for Apple to make their products accessible? Of course it's good marketing practice, but I'm thinking there's a bit more of a story to it than that. Was someone known to be having visual issues? A Family member or someone within the company? It's very curious. Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Louie P. Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter @lpnalda -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hi, I don't think it was the number of people who left because of a lack of accessibility. This number is so small, not to even be counted by a company as big as Apple but, that lack of accessibility would have left them in the short end of the stick in regards to those contracts with educational institutions. This is pretty big money. But regardless of that, they could have probably slapped on the Mac answer to windows narrator, and gotten away with it. Instead, they decided to do accessibility right. That is the true astonishing part of the story. They didn't just settle when it was in their financial interest to do so. That what makes the Apple doesn't care comments so strange to me. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jun 12, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder about this myself. Although, I think it was because they knew there were a lot of people who left apple, because the 3rd party programs were unstable, then OSX had no accessibility in the early years (Not really until Tiger), so people who were blind or had low vision were using PC's, and Apple wanted them back. It's just a guess. Myself, I came back when Tiger got Zoom curser tracking. I had used Zoom in Jaguar, but it wasn't really feasible. As soon as Tiger came out, I bought a used iBook, sold both my dell Latitude, and Compaq Presario, and never looked back. I also think they had a good turnout in the then-called Spoken Interface beta testing seed. By the time Snow Leopard got here, they knew we also wanted access to portable devices and the iPhone, so it didn't hurt to add that as well. As for where we're at now. I think we'll have to wait for both Mountain Lion, and OS 6 to be available to really see what fixes have been made. I remain optimistic. I challenge anyone to find better accessibility than Apple, for *All* devices in a given platform. On Jun 12, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: As an aside, I'm intensely curious as to what was the inspiration/motivation for Apple to make their products accessible? Of course it's good marketing practice, but I'm thinking there's a bit more of a story to it than that. Was someone known to be having visual issues? A Family member or someone within the company? It's very curious. Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Louie P. Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter @lpnalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Hi, I used to think that Apple did not care, Before Accessibility. I purchased my iPhone from an Apple store and could not have had better assistance. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher Sent: 12 June 2012 08:26 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's with us!! hi james whilst i would agree with some of your comments i would like to remind us all that apple were the first companie to support us by making there phones accessable out of the box. i used to be a nokia fan but they had loads of bugs with there phones and they didn't have a screen reader on them from the factory. i appreciate it is frustrating with some of the buggs, but i have not found many at all on my phone, if you are getting lotts of bugs maybe speak to the prividor and get a replacement, as you could just have a faulty phone. Regards Christopher Huby tel no: 07967603395. Email 1: christopher.h...@blueyonder.co.uk email 2: christopher.h...@hotmail.co.uk On 12 Jun 2012, at 02:43 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because
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Well, I just had my first phone care experience. I called the Apple Accessibility number, BTW, I find it brilliant that Apple has a dedicated Accessibility help line. Anyway, technically, I wasn't suppose to use that number, because it wasn't a direct voiceover issue, but the guy who answered was a senior advisor, so he helped me. :) And now I have Apple Care. I kept meaning to buy it, and today worked out perfectly. I'm a pretty big Apple fan. I'll admit though, one of my biggest reservations about making the switch over to Mac was that it was a mainstream company in charge of the accessibility of my system. So far so good, *grin.* Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Jun 12, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Mike Cassidy wrote: Hi, I used to think that Apple did not care, Before Accessibility. I purchased my iPhone from an Apple store and could not have had better assistance. Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher Sent: 12 June 2012 08:26 To: viphone@googlegroups.com Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Apple's with us!! hi james whilst i would agree with some of your comments i would like to remind us all that apple were the first companie to support us by making there phones accessable out of the box. i used to be a nokia fan but they had loads of bugs with there phones and they didn't have a screen reader on them from the factory. i appreciate it is frustrating with some of the buggs, but i have not found many at all on my phone, if you are getting lotts of bugs maybe speak to the prividor and get a replacement, as you could just have a faulty phone. Regards Christopher Huby tel no: 07967603395. Email 1: christopher.h...@blueyonder.co.uk email 2: christopher.h...@hotmail.co.uk On 12 Jun 2012, at 02:43 AM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group
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I agree...point taken. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Definitely Apple provides the best accessibility. That is much appreciated for sure and I have mentioned that. I still stand by it. There is no other platform of the alternatives that I am aware of providing acceptible accessibility imo. Google does not. Windows obviously does not. Rim does not and who cares. Also in my opinion, in general, Apple often doesn't appear to have a lot of concern about bugs. The statement thankfully is not limited at all to accessibility. I am going to try to stop adding to this thread. Obviously the feeling is very contraversial and some seem to feel that because they have provided great accessibility we are in turn required to humble ourselves to have no complaints about anything at all no matter what it is and no matter what about so far as it relates to Apple. I do not agree that is a required response. I will repeat, yes I absolutely appreciate and am absolutely thankful for the accessibility. Does that require giving up any right to hold them to any standard or to wish to for anything, no and the two do not conflict. On 6/12/12, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Oh boy. now, don't get me wrong but, just because issues that are personally effecting you, and haven't been addressed, doesn't mean they don't care. I mean really? In my opinion, care is a relative term here. They don't care as much as who exactly? Google? RIM? Microsoft? Samsung? HTC? All the companies making inaccessible touch panel appliances now a day? Of course, everyone is entitled to their feelings and opinions but, as far as IOS goes, I think Apple does a better job than all others in the same field in regards to a stable mobile OS and, accessibility. I think the proof is, all though you feel the way you do, I haven't heard you mention going to another platform. JMO. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jun 11, 2012, at 9:43 PM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because
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Ricardo, I'll agree with you we're not that big an audience, but, I do think, when they decided to do Accessibility, they decided to do it right, as I'd bet the Spoken interface Beta seed brought in a bunch of folks, and so they decided that hey, there is really interest in this community, and it makes us look good, so let's do it. On Jun 12, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, I don't think it was the number of people who left because of a lack of accessibility. This number is so small, not to even be counted by a company as big as Apple but, that lack of accessibility would have left them in the short end of the stick in regards to those contracts with educational institutions. This is pretty big money. But regardless of that, they could have probably slapped on the Mac answer to windows narrator, and gotten away with it. Instead, they decided to do accessibility right. That is the true astonishing part of the story. They didn't just settle when it was in their financial interest to do so. That what makes the Apple doesn't care comments so strange to me. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Jun 12, 2012, at 2:45 PM, Pete Nalda lpna...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder about this myself. Although, I think it was because they knew there were a lot of people who left apple, because the 3rd party programs were unstable, then OSX had no accessibility in the early years (Not really until Tiger), so people who were blind or had low vision were using PC's, and Apple wanted them back. It's just a guess. Myself, I came back when Tiger got Zoom curser tracking. I had used Zoom in Jaguar, but it wasn't really feasible. As soon as Tiger came out, I bought a used iBook, sold both my dell Latitude, and Compaq Presario, and never looked back. I also think they had a good turnout in the then-called Spoken Interface beta testing seed. By the time Snow Leopard got here, they knew we also wanted access to portable devices and the iPhone, so it didn't hurt to add that as well. As for where we're at now. I think we'll have to wait for both Mountain Lion, and OS 6 to be available to really see what fixes have been made. I remain optimistic. I challenge anyone to find better accessibility than Apple, for *All* devices in a given platform. On Jun 12, 2012, at 1:26 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: As an aside, I'm intensely curious as to what was the inspiration/motivation for Apple to make their products accessible? Of course it's good marketing practice, but I'm thinking there's a bit more of a story to it than that. Was someone known to be having visual issues? A Family member or someone within the company? It's very curious. Teresa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Louie P. Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter @lpnalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. Egun On, Lagunak! (Basque for G'day, Mates) Louie P. Pete Nalda http://www.myspace.com/musikonalda http://www.facebook.com/lpnalda http://www.linkedin.com/in/lpnalda Twitter @lpnalda -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
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In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Apple's with us!!
Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Apple's with us!!
Our input is heard loud and clear and we are not being put on the back burner you have blind people specifically working on the mac and iOS to make it a awesome experience for us. We take things in stride and we implement when possible. Blind people have worked extremely hard to make this device 100% accessible to the best of our ability and we hate to hear that back burner talk that comes from the Windows world. Trust me I can vouch that accessibility is in the front of all of Apples product from the Apple TV to the actual walk in store and we will work hard to continue making amazing devices but stating that we were put on the back burner sheds a negative connotation on what progress we have made for all of us. I will say for a free screen reader we have done a hell of allot more than those other guys and it cost you nothing. On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Apple's with us!!
Actually thats 112 Billion dollars. I'm just saying! On Jun 11, 2012, at 9:43 PM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
Re: Apple's with us!!
Yes, having gone off on my frustrations with the trends I have observed, I should say that I have not had issues with 5.1 or over one day now 5.1.1 that really cause me any big problems. Fortunately I do not really use the calendar for all day appointments, if I did that would be frustrating, the unlock bug is very minor in all that it really causes, and loosing speech is the biggest issue although I have mostly avoided that one so far. It is frustrating knowing I have just been lucky though and it really exists as an issue. That one has been around for a good while and they have not addressed it though and I believe that to be a big problem. Fortunately most bugs are not really voiceover specific in what I have known of so the population at large can weigh in on them. On 6/11/12, VaShaun Jones vashaun.jo...@gmail.com wrote: Actually thats 112 Billion dollars. I'm just saying! On Jun 11, 2012, at 9:43 PM, James Mannion mannion...@gmail.com wrote: Although I doubt they have been, we don't have an answer if anythign has been fixed or further broken in 6 yet, right? Or are you stating it based on someone's experience with the 6 beta? They would not likely mention bug fixes in an event or they would make a general statement at best. As I state often though and feel I have good reason to, Apple does not care enough and seemingly not at all most of the time about fixing anything other than jailbreak holes. They leave major functionality problems in their system for 3 months, 6 months, a year, for ever. They just do not care. I have expressed my extreme disatisfaction with that attitude in feedback on their site where you can leave feedback. I was constructive about what I apreciate and to the point about what I do not. I have done it numerous times. I have expressed what is appropriate to direct to accessibility. They have too much of a fan club that will buy any explative thing with the logo on it no matter anything else and they have 70 billion dollars. They see no reason to care about product quality apparently. On 6/11/12, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send
Re: Apple's with us!!
I agree with your post except for the gratuitous Windows bashing. The sentiment from customers that their pet bugs aren't being addressed is human nature and has nothing to do with Windows. I hear the same thing from AIX, Ubuntu, Symbian, ..., users, as well as from users of almost all significantly complex user applications. It's also not restricted to the blind or accessibility short comings. Ditto for accessibility concerns. Again this is human nature, and probably has more to do with the general discrimination faced by the blind than it does with Windows. Again, I agree with the sentiment of your post, but I just think that the gratuitous Windows bashing doesn't add anything to your argument and just takes away from an otherwise good point. On 11/06/12 21:52, VaShaun Jones wrote: Our input is heard loud and clear and we are not being put on the back burner you have blind people specifically working on the mac and iOS to make it a awesome experience for us. We take things in stride and we implement when possible. Blind people have worked extremely hard to make this device 100% accessible to the best of our ability and we hate to hear that back burner talk that comes from the Windows world. Trust me I can vouch that accessibility is in the front of all of Apples product from the Apple TV to the actual walk in store and we will work hard to continue making amazing devices but stating that we were put on the back burner sheds a negative connotation on what progress we have made for all of us. I will say for a free screen reader we have done a hell of allot more than those other guys and it cost you nothing. On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com mailto:cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com mailto:blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Apple's with us!!
the risk we take in buying off-the-shelf software that is accessible is that there will be some glitches in its operation. I should say, there might be more glitches in its operation than for a blindness-specific product. I think the blindness community has a tendency to expect the same results from off-the-shelf software as from blindness-oriented software. In my opinion, this is generally an unrealistic expectation. Yes, we can make sure a product is accessible, and give pointers to developers as the software progresses. However, Apple doesn't have the specific concentration or resources that some other blindness-oriented companies might have. We are a very small part of the general market, and with this in mind, I think Apple has done an exemplary and stellar job, and has set a trend for accessibility in mainstream products. I'm looking forward to more accessibility of Apple products in the future. Teresa On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:18 PM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: I agree with your post except for the gratuitous Windows bashing. The sentiment from customers that their pet bugs aren't being addressed is human nature and has nothing to do with Windows. I hear the same thing from AIX, Ubuntu, Symbian, ..., users, as well as from users of almost all significantly complex user applications. It's also not restricted to the blind or accessibility short comings. Ditto for accessibility concerns. Again this is human nature, and probably has more to do with the general discrimination faced by the blind than it does with Windows. Again, I agree with the sentiment of your post, but I just think that the gratuitous Windows bashing doesn't add anything to your argument and just takes away from an otherwise good point. On 11/06/12 21:52, VaShaun Jones wrote: Our input is heard loud and clear and we are not being put on the back burner you have blind people specifically working on the mac and iOS to make it a awesome experience for us. We take things in stride and we implement when possible. Blind people have worked extremely hard to make this device 100% accessible to the best of our ability and we hate to hear that back burner talk that comes from the Windows world. Trust me I can vouch that accessibility is in the front of all of Apples product from the Apple TV to the actual walk in store and we will work hard to continue making amazing devices but stating that we were put on the back burner sheds a negative connotation on what progress we have made for all of us. I will say for a free screen reader we have done a hell of allot more than those other guys and it cost you nothing. On Jun 11, 2012, at 8:49 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com mailto:cadean...@gmail.com wrote: In the mean time, the bugs that came with 5.0 and were not corrected with 5.1 are still plaguing the iPhone while voice over is turned on. I would have rather heard about a fix of the current problems. We didn't make a big enough noise, so they can put us on the back burner. On Monday, June 11, 2012 5:29:33 PM UTC-7, Richard Turner wrote: Check the podcasts in iTunes. Hth, Richard On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Blinkin blinkin4...@gmail.com mailto:blinkin4...@gmail.com wrote: I am pissed. I was in the hospital getting a kidney stone removed and missed the whole dam thing. Does anyone know where I can find it online to listen to new? Thanks! On Jun 11, 2012, at 12:30 PM, Vanish Chopra wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/ http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en
Re: Apple's with us!!
If every iPhone's screen went totally blank for 60 seconds ,once a week... how long do you think it would take Apple to send out a fix? Do you think they would announce that 6.0 is coming and all the greatb things about it before the fix? On Monday, June 11, 2012 10:30:25 AM UTC-7, AppleGourmet wrote: Apple's WW DC has just begun! In the very first 10 minutes Apple gave its strong commitment to the visually challenged! The show still on How ever I had to share this moment with you all! Best of luck! Voice Converted to Text and Sent by my iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the VIPhone Google Group. To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en.
