*A $1,500 total price of a E-Cat that includes a NI microprocessor based
controls system is hard to believe. I project that the control system will
be a major cost component of the E-Cat. Even computerized appliances like
refrigerators sell for twice that. When I see that low price…when I can buy
Their lab includes a custom built three-chamber UHV system equipped with
the state-of-the-art surface sensitive tools, including Low Energy Ion
Scattering Spectroscopy (LEISS), Auger Electron Spectroscopy (AES), angle
resolved X-ray photoemission spectroscopy (XPS with monochromator),
ultraviolet
sorry, but the cost of a control system is mostly :
- captors and actioners
- RD cost to be divided by volume
a processors able to apply a feedback every 1/10th second, cost less than
1$ and consume less than a quartz watch (see lowpower PIC12).
control system is a serious job, but it is
+1
Make me think about Patton, that make the Normandy debarkation succeed, but
nearly make it fail because of his lack of professionalism.
Same for Churchill, who was dangerous in peace but invaluable in war.
sometime you need pathologic personalities to make a breakthrough of fight
hard time...
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/article2772029.ece
Cold is back as hot topic on the non-conventional energy front
Italian scientist Andrea Rossi's device E-Cat (short for energy catalyser)
cold fusion is gaining attention.
Chennai, Jan. 3:
Will an entirely new source
I design and build embedded micro systems. More like $10 for the
electronics ex the sensors.
AG
On 1/4/2012 7:25 PM, Axil Axil wrote:
/A $1,500 total price of a E-Cat that includes a NI microprocessor
based controls system is hard to believe. I project that the control
system will be a
some IMHO interesting article to undestand Rossi's behavior...
1-
analysis about why rossi don't prove e-cat so well...
http://nickelpower.org/2012/01/03/why-should-rossi-prove-it/
this item raise my eyes:
No matter what demonstration Rossi produces, public or private, it won’t
settle the
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 5:12 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
+1
Make me think about Patton, that make the Normandy debarkation succeed, but
nearly make it fail because of his lack of professionalism.
Could you expand on this? I know that Patton created the Calais
diversion;
Where did you get a COP of
50 from? I thought it was 6. Rossi said in his interview that the
running cost would be about 1/6th of a current conventional boiler
running cost.
On 04/01/12 07:52, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
Based
on the recently announced
COP 6 was for the original Fat Cat E-Cats as used in the 1 MW demo unit.
I suggest the 10 and 20 kW home units, to be delivered in Sept 2012,
will not be anything like the Fat Cats and they will run in self sustain
mode or very close to it. I estimated the control electronics and the
primary
maybe we make mistake in the family,
but according to mum (who was there, kid under the bombs, then near the
tank, but who hear of the war history from local buzz)
Patton decided to head somewhere ahead (not calais; Calais was an earlier
secret service diversion, operation Fortitude, fantastic
COP=6 is quite conservative, and based on problem of instability of the
self-sustain mode of e-cat, feared by Rossi in November...
Defkalion says that COP is not a good way to analyze performance. there is
a cost to start the reactor, to regulate a little, but COP can be great if
power is stable.
OK, I thought he made
mention of a COP 50 somewhere that I missed. I wonder how
long after the US certification, it will be for Rossi to get
certification for Europe and the rest of the World.
On 04/01/12 13:41, Aussie Guy E-Cat wrote:
COP 6
was for the
I agree with [snip] like a car engine or a nuclear reactor it need energy to
start or restart if stalled.[/snip] and might suggest the Papp engine was such
a design where
The reaction is similar to dieseling in that all reactants are present in the
cylinders and the crank shaft modifies the
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
Now that the holidays are winding to a close, is there any update on the
Defkalion visit?
Any rough approximation as to when information may be forthcoming?
Hi. Nothing more to report for now. As I said in my original report, the
purpose
E-L,
I think Europe will precede the US but it will actually be
smaller, poorer nations that first scramble to certify and demonstrate the
worth of any residential system by Rossi, Defkallion or other entity. The
poorest nations are least controlled by big business and have now
*“I design and build embedded micro systems. More like $10 for the
electronics ex the sensors.”*
* *
*The controller for a nuclear reactor(E-Cat) would require a high level of
redundancy in both its processing unit and its sensors arrays and actuators
to achieve a failsafe availability at least
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 8:02 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
It is regrettable that things have been kept so confidential in cold
fusion. That is because of politics and the opposition. I am sorry that I
have to be so vague.
Politics and opposition is a bad theory when it comes
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:27 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
some IMHO interesting article to undestand Rossi's behavior...
1-
analysis about why rossi don't prove e-cat so well...
http://nickelpower.org/2012/01/03/why-should-rossi-prove-it/
this item raise my eyes:
No
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Energy Liberator
energylibera...@gmail.comwrote:
I wonder how long after the US certification, it will be for Rossi to get
certification for Europe and the rest of the World.
See, what I wonder is how long it will be before either Rossi or Defkalion
prove that
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 9:48 AM, OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
Titled: What if Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) really works?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/What-if-Low-Energy-Nuclear-by-Christopher-Calder-120103-869.html
The article is filled with errors
From Francis
Big oil has no way to plug all these
little holes and is probably rethinking their future investment schemes to
“join” rather than “beat” LENR and will probably find some way to purchase
and meter this new resource.
It seems to me that a perfectly legitimate business
I recently had a quick glance through the chapters on Cold Fusion in
Preperata's QED coherence in matter, and the results in the Nickel
Nanoattenas paper seem to be in much the same area as the ideas in the Cold
Fusion chapter.
Nigel Dyer
_
From: Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
Mary Yugo stated, for the millionth time,
“A much better theory is that, as Rossi says, they have nothing to show.”
Same old tired repetition, despite numerous requests that you avoid it. You
just never learn…
Is there really a brain behind the name or is it just a very poor
implementation
They key word you used is meter. I think that it will be a big uphill run
for us to finally become free of the energy producers. Anything that does not
generate a cash stream reliably to those groups will find it difficult to get
past the regulations. Even Rossi and Defkalion like the idea
2012/1/4 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
Mary Yugo stated, for the millionth time,
“A much better theory is that, as Rossi says, they have nothing to show.”*
***
** **
Same old tired repetition, despite numerous requests that you avoid it.
You just never learn…
Is
MaryYugo states with such confidence,
And while they were technically hands on, all the tests used Rossi's gear
and his questionable methods so they were not independent. Failure to state
that is either dismal incompetence or deliberate bias.
Note the statement, ALL OF THE TESTS USED ROSSI'S
Mary Yugo stated/asked,
“Same response to the same repetition of absolute nonsense about Rossi and
Defkalion. You always seem to object to my response but not to the inanity
that spawned it. Why do you think that is?”
That’s easy… and I’ve explained it to you before.
I have stated my
You've already told her to shut up several times, so that's repetitive and
boring as well.
On Jan 4, 2012, at 13:48, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
wrote:
Mary Yugo stated/asked,
“Same response to the same repetition of absolute nonsense about Rossi and
Defkalion. You
Dave,
You are not alone in “wanting” true energy independence but I
am sure home brew reactors will only be allowed in remote locations for “safety
concerns” and politicians will work with big business to legislate and license
these energy sources making them illegal for home
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 10:42 AM, Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint
zeropo...@charter.net wrote:
MaryYugo states with such confidence,
“And while they were technically hands on, all the tests used Rossi's
gear and his questionable methods so they were not independent. Failure to
state that is
2012/1/4 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
Mary Yugo stated/asked,
“Same response to the same repetition of absolute nonsense about Rossi
and Defkalion. You always seem to object to my response but not to the
inanity that spawned it. Why do you think that is?”
** **
OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
It seems to me that a perfectly legitimate business many fossil
fuel industries ought to seriously consider would be to retool
into something equivalent to an eCat (or whatever eCats evolve
into) service provider. It would be no
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
They key word you used is meter. I think that it will be a big uphill
run for us to finally become free of the energy producers.
I do not think this will be a problem. There is a significant amount of
unmetered energy already. Many people in the U.S.
Charles Hope said,
“You've already told her to shut up several times, so that's repetitive and
boring as well.”
I have never told her to “shut up”…
I have only requested that she not repeat lengthy explanations; that she should
simply state that she disagrees and provide the link to
If LENR reactions are sufficiently branded as dangerous, they could easily be
banned from personal use. We cannot legally build a homemade fission reactor
(even removing Americium from smoke detectors is regulated by the US Nuclear
Regulatory Commission). Likewise, activities involving
Mary Yugo wrote:
All the essential parts of the method for measuring power input and
enthalpy were provided entirely by Rossi. It's true that some
thermometers and in a few instances AC power meters were provided by
the visitors. Those devices were a trivial part of the methodology.
What
2012/1/4 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net:
Mary Yugo stated, for the millionth time,
“A much better theory is that, as Rossi says, they have nothing to show.”
Same old tired repetition, despite numerous requests that you avoid it. You
just never learn…
Is there really a
Mary states,
“I am not responding to your repetition. I didn't allege that you repeat
yourself. I am responding to other people who make the same specious claims
and assumptions over and over again. You don't seem to mind THEIR
repetitions. Obviously, what bothers you the most is people who
Sunday, January 8, 2012, 12-1:30 PM PST (20-21:30 GMT)
Dr. Edmund Storms comes to the program to discuss the latest regarding LERN,
Cold Fusion/CANR.
Edmund Storms obtained a Ph.D. in radiochemistry from Washington University
(St. Louis) and is retired from the Los Alamos National Laboratory
Sorry Terry, Mary... just had some spare time and wanted to read something
interesting and all I saw was the usual tired repetition... back to the salt
mines!
-Mark
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 12:13 PM
To:
2012/1/4 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net:
Sorry Terry, Mary... just had some spare time and wanted to read something
interesting and all I saw was the usual tired repetition... back to the salt
mines!
Go read Embassytown by China Mieville. Possibly the most bizarre
scifi I have
2012/1/4 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
Others have registered their skepticism, and I don’t chastise them because
they don’t do it hundreds of times a month!
A tiny bit of hyperbole perhaps? I respond to others so I only do it a
hundred times a month if they do it the same or
2012/1/4 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
What opinion is that?
yours, with respect.
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
2012/1/4 Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com
What opinion is that?
yours, with respect.
Hi Alan,
Sorry but I didn't understand the significance of the second comment and
link. Perhaps you can restate or expand on it?
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
If LENR reactions are sufficiently branded as dangerous, they could
easily be banned from personal use.
They might actually be dangerous. I do not think extensive tests have been
performed with rats and other species.
I doubt they are
As some of you are aware from a vortex post, he met Rossi last year.
This is his New Year's Resolution - published yesterday.
http://www.cleantechblog.com/2012/01/new-years-resolution-commercialize-free-energy-technology.html
He has developed a non-profit organization to try a truly unique
This assumes Rossi has a nuclear reaction. There is reason to believe he might
not. Should that be proven, there may be little danger or delay.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject:
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:42 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Robert Leguillon robert.leguil...@hotmail.com wrote:
If LENR reactions are sufficiently branded as dangerous, they could
easily be banned from personal use.
They might actually be dangerous. I do not think
On 12-01-04 01:35 PM, Mary Yugo wrote:
2012/1/4 Mark Iverson-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
mailto:zeropo...@charter.net
Mary Yugo stated, for the millionth time,
“A much better theory is that, as Rossi says, they have nothing to
show.”
Same old tired repetition,
This assumes Rossi has a nuclear reaction. There is reason to believe he might
not. Should that be proven, there may be little danger or delay.
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2012 12:42 PM
Subject:
As some of you are aware from a vortex post, he met Rossi last year.
This is his New Year's Resolution - published yesterday.
http://www.cleantechblog.com/2012/01/new-years-resolution-commercialize-free-energy-technology.html
He has developed a non-profit organization to try a truly unique
As some of you are aware from a vortex post, he met Rossi last year.
This is his New Year's Resolution - published yesterday.
http://www.cleantechblog.com/2012/01/new-years-resolution-commercialize-free-energy-technology.html
He has developed a non-profit organization to try a truly unique
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
They might actually be dangerous. I do not think extensive tests have been
performed with rats and other species.
What are you describing here? There is no need for animal experiments
unless some sort of radiation is discovered to be emanating from the
Exactly. The engineering/science delay in getting this to market will be
dwarfed by the NRC regulatory delays, and if there are (any) neutrons released,
it will never be a mass market product, confined to govt regulated utilities
and similar large industrial uses.
- Original Message
This kind of near-coherent resonance was a frequent topic on this forum 4-5
years ago. Several messages in the archives refer to either Preperata or
Dicke or both. The acronym DPSR = Dicke-Preparata Super-radiance has been
used.
Cooperative radiation is another term, as is Ahern's 'energy
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 12:04 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo wrote:
All the essential parts of the method for measuring power input and
enthalpy were provided entirely by Rossi. It's true that some
thermometers and in a few instances AC power meters were provided
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
And by the way, it's expensive.
It is much cheaper than inadvertently irradiating hundreds of thousands of
people.
What's wrong with ordinary radiation detectors? Or do you think animals
are used to verify that
Stephen stated:
“Same old Mark. He hasn't changed. If you're skeptical, you get ad hominems.”
Not true Stephen…
Both your and Mary’s whole argument against my chastising the repetition (by
one person) is based on the premise that I don’t like skepticism. You
obviously did not see or
Thanks Jones and Nigel for raising the SNR. even if only for a nanosec!
Thanks for the link. I was not reading vortex daily back then, so I'll go
have a looksee.
J
-mi
From: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 1:20 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject:
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
Which liquid water test are you referring to? Rossi's October 6 was
objected to in multiple ways, including thermocouple placement, lack of
blank calibration, and possibly hidden sources of heat.
Sure, but these objections are nonsense. Anyone can
Mary Yugo wrote:
And by the way, it's expensive.
It is much cheaper than inadvertently irradiating hundreds of
thousands of people.
What's wrong with ordinary radiation detectors?
You can measure radioactivity with instruments but you cannot predict
what effect it will
FWIW, I use tritium-illuminated sights on my compound bow.
See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tritium_illumination
Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 17:48:58 -0500
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:The biological effects of radiation are difficult to quantify
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 2:48 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Mary Yugo wrote:
And by the way, it's expensive.
It is much cheaper than inadvertently irradiating hundreds of thousands
of people.
What's wrong with ordinary radiation detectors?
You can measure
Mary Yugo maryyu...@gmail.com wrote:
No radioactivity at all has ever been found in any other than the very
first Rossi experiment and it has been looked for each time.
There are several problems with this:
1. Only a few tests of Rossi reactor have been done. We need thousands of
hours in
On Wed, Jan 4, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
As to what is politically expedient for Levi, he'd better think of
something. I suspect his career at U of Bologna is going to be curtailed
some time soon unless Rossi coughs up some miracle such as $500K and a
device
If the released radiation is in the soft x-ray range, like 2KeV detection
will be extremely hard. Even kw of x rays will be stopped by less than
a millimeter of lead. I think it will hardly escape the powder itself.
Did anyone tryto detect that? Takahashi suggested something around that
VIP observers watching the spectacle during Operation Greenhouse at
Enewetak Atoll, 1951.
http://umanesimo.tumblr.com/post/907321188/monochrom23reich-vip-observers-watching-the
Harry
http://www.flickr.com/photos/harvich/6638542345/
Separation in time between magnetic fields above and below a stack of three
pancake spirals of the balanced 666 machine. The color codings of checkers show
the series routing of coil segments for each phase before folding into a circle
as a
ok,
as far as I understand,
it seems to propose that industrializing a product is hard (in absolute,
and for Rossi).
they tell us to be ready for bad news and unexpected problems.
they take the example of thermo electric device that rossi fail to
industrialize correctly and demonstrate...
the
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