RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD & Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-04 Thread hellokevin
One thing your theory does not seem to cover is why the original Proton + Proton fusion happened in the first place.  On the sun, it's because there's so much gravity holding the protons together.  In a lattice, presumably it's due to the metallic atoms caging the protons close enough together t

[Vo]:Brillouin Energy patent granted in China

2012-09-04 Thread Ruby
http://coldfusionnow.org/brillouin-energy-patent-granted-in-china/ -- Ruby Carat r...@coldfusionnow.org www.coldfusionnow.org

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread James Bowery
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:43 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > > Mark, I think that the site what James was citing is an obvious scam site. > > I did not cite the site. I cited the video at the site. Moreover PESN claims that video was not produced by the scam artists that run the site. The reason I f

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 9:11 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Terry, do you know how much it has influence to the speed of misalignment of > dipole structure, if neodymium magnets are cooled into -192°C using liquid > nitrogen? Yes, I certainly do. I was a part of a group who made a very large spir

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:01 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: >> I wrote: > But that depends on a narrow definition of work which is the > acceleration of a mass in the direction of a force. That is wrong. I should have said "But that depends on a narrow definition of work which is the displacement of

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread James Bowery
Well obviously there is too much noise surrounding the video and not enough signal. The implication from the PESN article indicates the video was ripped off from another company in Australia but no one seems interested in whether that company is legitimate or not. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 7:00 PM,

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Terry, do you know how much it has influence to the speed of misalignment of dipole structure, if neodymium magnets are cooled into -192°C using liquid nitrogen? In theory dipole structure should be far more resilient, if magnets are cooled. Neodymium magnets do retain 87% of their magnetic stre

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Terry Blanton
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:43 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Terry quite clearly stated that permanent magnets do wear down quite fast, Terry said magnets in opposition degrade. Magnets in attraction will not degrade over time. A magnet struck repeatedly by a hammer will degrade due to the randomiz

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:21 PM, MarkI-ZeroPoint wrote: > I’d like to note a few observations about the later half of this vid: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG-TL0WnjE > > - There are at least 6 places of energy-robbing friction: > > o 2 Drum bearings, (don’t see bearings p

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Mark, I think that the site what James was citing is an obvious scam site. There is no question about that. Terry quite clearly stated that permanent magnets do wear down quite fast, so it should be impossible to do commercially significant magnetic perpetual motion machine. It was sad that Ja

RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Bottom line: Mark Goldes is assuming it's the same group of guys and therefore, don't bother with it! -Mark Iverson -Original Message- From: Mark Goldes [mailto:mgol...@chavaenergy.com] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 4:10 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion

RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Mark Goldes
This is almost certainly the same group of scammers. They keep changing the device and the device is easily faked in a video. Mark Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 4

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > Technically a massive or a charged object moving in a circular path should > emit radiation, gravitational or electromagnetic. > > The gravitational radiation emitted by a planet is extremely small so the > energy loss is not going to a

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread James Bowery
These are not indictments of the device in the video I cited. Is device in that video, whether or not legitimately claimed by Magniwork, Lutec or others, a device that has been shown to be incapable of self-sustaining motion? If it has been so shown, where is the demonstration of that fact? On T

[Vo]:ILENRS-12 papers and slides added

2012-09-04 Thread Jed Rothwell
I added 17 files from ILENRS-12. Some are slides, some are papers, and some are both. See: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1097 Another method is to do a "Quick search" for "ILENRS-12" on this screen: http://lenr-canr.org/wordpress/?page_id=1081 - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Mark Goldes
They keep changing but here are a few of the stories... http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Buyer_Beware Magniwork Feature: Electromagnetic / Buyer Beware > Magniwork > Open letter to Clickbank regarding Magniwork scam involvement -- Warning of possible legal action - For the past

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread James Bowery
It looks very similar to the device currently under discussion in that it has a ramp of magnets with a discontinuity at the full cycle. Are they the same scam? Where can one read about the "well known scam"? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Mark Goldes wrote: > That site is the latest version o

RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Mark Goldes
That site is the latest version of a well known scam. Mark Goldes Co-founder, Chava Energy CEO, Aesop Institute 301A North Main Street Sebastopol, CA 95472 www.chavaenergy.com www.aesopinstitute.org 707 861-9070 707 497-3551 fax From: James Bowery [jabo

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Harry, standard QM does not comment on plausibility of magnetic motors. And for classical mechanics refrigerator magnets and spiral galaxies are exactly as impossible constructions as this magnetic motor. It is just that in classical mechanics work is ill-defined, because classical mechanics jus

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread James Bowery
The video at this site clearly shows accelleration. http://diymagneticmotor.com/ That pretty much rules out the "low friction" argument. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > According to standard physics, it is impossible to design a magnetic > motor that won't get stuck after

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Harry Veeder
According to standard physics, it is impossible to design a magnetic motor that won't get stuck after a few turns. Therefore, questions about how much was energy was needed to assemble the device distract from the real significance of the demonstration. Either this is a hoax OR the device is really

RE: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I’d like to note a few observations about the later half of this vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqG-TL0WnjE - As far as I can tell, there are an equal number of magnets on each side of the circumference of the drum. Each one looks to be the same size magnet. There are on

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Jouni Valkonen
There is interesting thing to note, that the rotation of the wheel is oscillating. This probably means that the oscillation is chaotic and is governed by nonlinear dynamics. This also means that system is not freely rotating, but there are significant friction forces that resist the rotation of

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Harry Veeder
On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Harry, I think that conventional or classical physics is just wrong, because > it just assumes gravity without explaining it. In real physics we cannot just > assume such things, as giovanni mentioned. If you hold two 10 kg hand weights >

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread James Bowery
Has anyone tried to do any arithmetic here? I mean to even an order of magnitude? On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:21 PM, Harry Veeder wrote: > Assuming no hidden power sources, the assumption is the work done > repeatedly lifting the magnets (and the rod at the side) will > eventually exceed the ene

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Harry Veeder
Assuming no hidden power sources, the assumption is the work done repeatedly lifting the magnets (and the rod at the side) will eventually exceed the energy required to place the magnets in their starting position. Harry On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:31 AM, Teslaalset wrote: > This stuff is quite mi

Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD & Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-04 Thread ChemE Stewart
Spooky/crazy action at a distance. Works the same in people associated with it... On Tuesday, September 4, 2012, Teslaalset wrote: > Same counts for Keshe foundation > > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Jones Beene > > > wrote: > >> If you are asking for a personal opinion, then it is not a

[Vo]:spoke to soon

2012-09-04 Thread fznidarsic
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Re: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD & Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-04 Thread Teslaalset
Same counts for Keshe foundation On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Jones Beene wrote: > If you are asking for a personal opinion, then it is not a simple yes or > no. > I believe Papp demonstrated a way to convert radioactive isotopes, mostly > radium/radon, into electricity at higher than expec

RE: [Vo]:Nanomagnetism, QCD & Goldstone bosons (part 1)

2012-09-04 Thread Jones Beene
If you are asking for a personal opinion, then it is not a simple yes or no. I believe Papp demonstrated a way to convert radioactive isotopes, mostly radium/radon, into electricity at higher than expected efficiency, and that is all there was to it. You cannot ready his biography - including the F

Re: [Vo]:Perpetual motion machine

2012-09-04 Thread Teslaalset
This stuff is quite misleading. One has to put energy in first to get the moving magnet into its starting position. So there is no energy gain. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 6:09 AM, Giovanni Santostasi wrote: > How is this an epicycle? > > A biological system is complicated and even if it has to obey