Re: [Vo]:Does anyone keep a list of cold fusion patents?

2012-10-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
I know that list of patents (and companies beside) http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/fusion-base/fusion-patents/ You can follow Rob Woudenberg on linked-in too... 2012/10/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com Frank Gordon and David French are thinking of compiling a list of cold fusion related

Re: [Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate

2012-10-02 Thread Teslaalset
David, A few remarks that may help you in doing the experiments. 1) Be aware that Chuck, the orginal experimenter, did bend the coins so this likely causes some damage to the metal lattice on purpose (e.g. cracks). It may be essential to do this to create NAE's (nuclear active environments). 2)

Re: [Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate

2012-10-02 Thread Paul Stout
With the borax, I also saw a green deposit show up on the nickel coin. However, that fell off with time. I'm running with a much lower current, approximately 50 milliamps. After about 48 hours, the resistance across the cell has started to drop and the current is increasing slightly. My

Re: [Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate

2012-10-02 Thread Paul Stout
The green scale fell off the nickel long before the resistance started changing. - Based on voltage and current measurements, the resistance of the control cell is steady at approximately 80 ohms. - The active cell stayed constant at about 160 ohms until about 12 hours ago when I first

[Vo]:A New Spin on Solar Cells

2012-10-02 Thread Terry Blanton
http://v3solar.com/ V3Solar takes a known fact: Concentration of light increases the production of electrical energy in PV. And solves a known problem: Concentration of light increases heat, which decreases the production of electrical energy in PV. Current solar power theory estimates that a

[Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Gigi DiMarco
The following paper: Low Energy Neutron Production by Inverse-beta decay in Metallic Hydride Surfaces S. Ciuchi http://arxiv.org/find/nucl-th/1/au:+Ciuchi_S/0/1/0/all/0/1, L. Maiani http://arxiv.org/find/nucl-th/1/au:+Maiani_L/0/1/0/all/0/1, A. D. Polosa

Re: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
It doesn't rule out. They just find lower neutron production rates, which are merely 200x smaller. 2012/10/2 Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com The following paper: Low Energy Neutron Production by Inverse-beta decay in Metallic Hydride Surfaces S. Ciuchi

Re: [Vo]:Does anyone keep a list of cold fusion patents?

2012-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: I know that list of patents (and companies beside) http://www.fusioncatalyst.org/fusion-base/fusion-patents/ Thanks. - Jed

RE: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites

2012-10-02 Thread Roarty, Francis X
Jones, No doubt someone will McGiver the effect from off the shelf products once the facts are known.. the real challenge is finding the right combination ahead of the theory. An aquarium system with some simple USB device to instrument and datalog does seem like a bargain for entry into this

Re: [Vo]:Does anyone keep a list of cold fusion patents?

2012-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
David French says: This is a great list! But please note, any document with a serial number that ends with A is merely an application. Anyone can file an application and say virtually anything. The story contained in an application is not necessarily true. The ones that end with B are issued

[Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread fznidarsic
It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of 2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. I predict that even Jed will give up within the

Re: [Vo]:Does anyone keep a list of cold fusion patents?

2012-10-02 Thread Teslaalset
The indication Ax has different meanings in different countries: http://www.delphion.com/help/kindcodes On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: David French says: This is a great list! But please note, any document with a serial number that ends with A is

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. On the other hand, we do have independent replications of Ni-H heat by Celani and others. I never expected products from Rossi. I predict that even Jed will

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
Well, those are replications of NiH, not of Rossi's device. 2012/10/2 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. On the other hand, we do have independent replications

RE: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Jones Beene
.merely 200x fewer neutrons . but that does present a very strong objection, no? Even the guillotine did not provide instant death. http://www.theguillotine.info/articles/livingheads.php From: Daniel Rocha It doesn't rule out. They just find lower neutron production rates,

Re: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Daniel Rocha
I am actually surprised that they found a high neutron rate. I thought they'd find nothing. Those are conventional nuclear physicists, as you can see in their publication list. 2012/10/2 Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net …merely 200x fewer neutrons … but that does present a “very strong

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Frank sez: ... I predict that even Jed will give up within the next five years. This, of course, is an incredibly open-ended proclamation to make. I have no idea what you are claiming Mr. Rothwell will give up on. It is never a wise course of action to predict the behavior of another

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread James Bowery
True enough but the verification of the NiH system is, itself, a condition for the reality of the Rossi effect. So to be rational, people have to distinguish between the probability of the Rossi effect being real GIVEN THAT the NiH system is real, and the probability that the Rossi effect is real

Re: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Moab Moab
mainstream scientists reading LENR papers and replying to them ? What happened, did LENR become noticeable overnight ? On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote: The following paper: Low Energy Neutron Production by Inverse-beta decay in Metallic Hydride

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-10-02 16:57, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. Apparently [1], by hearsay [2], something along those lines should come out at around mid-October but I'm personally not expecting much, or that

Re: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-10-02 17:27, Moab Moab wrote: mainstream scientists reading LENR papers and replying to them ? What happened, did LENR become noticeable overnight ? Not really. To my point of view, this is the result of a personal quarrel between one of the authors of this paper (the director of the

RE: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites

2012-10-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Roarty, Francis X [snip] I have toyed with the idea of a submerged tube of hydrogen being circulated in a closed loop where a small vertical section acting as reactor which is filled with nano powders, backfilled nickel foam or this cobalt loaded zeolite you mention. Fran Fran -

Re: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
I wish they wouldn't use Angstrom units. Come on. I think eq. (10) says R ~= 0.4 * 10^-12. But the text says ...that the electron should be confined within its Compton radius, which is completely unrealistic. Various references say the Compton radius of an electron is more like 2.8 * 10^-15. So

RE: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I don't know Jones. I read it differently. Unless there is some subtle sarcasm which is obscured by the jargon of nuclear physics, at least they, being hot fusion mainstream physicists and affiliated with CERN, have taken one of many LENR theories and provided polite, professional criticism.

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Alain Sepeda
Does anyone here have information on the two other evenst that Daniele Passerinit talk about : 1- Ugo Abundo team conference at IIS Pirelli on that 20th of October 2- and a very interesting, very high scientific value that seems leaked by MISTERI commentator...

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-10-02 18:34, Alain Sepeda wrote: Does anyone here have information on the two other evenst that Daniele Passerinit talk about : 1- Ugo Abundo team conference at IIS Pirelli on that 20th of October I think they will report in a more traditional manner on the latest developments on

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
At 07:57 AM 10/2/2012, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of 2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. From:

[Vo]:Livermore Lab Ignition Facility's woes

2012-10-02 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
I don't have a subscription to Physics Today (no loss there), but an article was published with the title: Ignition effort may be slowed as Livermore facility misses milestone, David Kramer, October 2012, page 28, http://dx.doi.org/10.1063/PT.3.1747 As one would expect from a mainstream rag,

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan J Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: e) There are multiple reports of NiH generating excess energy (So Rossi must be faking something real?) That's the point I was trying to make when I noted there have been many other Ni-H reports. Rossi's claims seem similar to many others, especially

RE: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Alan J Fletcher
Disclaimer : I'm TOTALLY out of my sphere of competence here. Most WLT-disprovers bring the electron from infinity (or Mars) and collide it with the Proton. But I think they need to look at the naturally occurring Electron Capture. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_capture eg A proton in

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2012-10-02 16:57, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: It has now been one year since Rossi's big demonstration. Products were to come out at the end of last year, then in the Summer of 2012. Now its one year later and there is nothing. No products, no independent tests by a reputable group. Just

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:08 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Rossi's claims seem similar to many others, especially Celani. The most worrisome thing is that indeed Celani's quantum reactor does resemble that of Rossi's, because he too refuses any independent confirmation or

Re: [Vo]:October is here

2012-10-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: The most worrisome thing is that indeed Celani's quantum reactor does resemble that of Rossi's, because he too refuses any independent confirmation or replication of his technology . . . That is incorrect. He is assisting other people who are

Re: [Vo]:A New Spin on Solar Cells

2012-10-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Tue, 2 Oct 2012 08:13:27 -0400: Hi, [snip] The Spin Cell concentrates the light and avoids the heat. Light is transferred to electricity in nanoseconds. Heat is transferred in milliseconds (1000X longer). The PV on the Spin Cell captures the light,

Re: [Vo]:A New Spin on Solar Cells

2012-10-02 Thread Jouni Valkonen
On Oct 3, 2012, at 1:33 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: With normal solar cells, the cell is exposed to the light 100% of the time that the light is shining. If the cell spins away then it clearly isn't exposed to the light, therefore during the time that it is not exposed, it generates no

Re: [Vo]:Open Source Papp Update

2012-10-02 Thread Axil Axil
If shockwave production is central to the Papp reaction, it may be possible to build a Papp generator without the need for a piston. Here is my reasoning: When the spark fires, a shock wave will form, expand, and travel down the length of the tube. This wave is comprised of a shockwave front of

Re: [Vo]:Somewhat OFF TOPIC, Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

2012-10-02 Thread David Roberson
I would be afraid that that gun would explode in my face when it fired. Might help eliminate some terrorists by accident. Dave -Original Message- From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 4:32 pm Subject: [Vo]:Somewhat OFF

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

2012-10-02 Thread Jouni Valkonen
This is indeed a problem. Best 3D-printers can already produce jet engine grade components, although this technology is not yet available for the public. However it will be available some time in near future. Actually jet engine companies such as Rolls-royce does pursue 3D-printing not

Re: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Jeff Berkowitz
Under QM, the position of an election in an atom is stated as a probability density function. That is, under QM we can only state that an electron has a certain probability of being any particular location at any time. Apparently this very ordinary bit of QM doesn't appear in W-L theory. The

Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized

2012-10-02 Thread Jojo Jaro
This idea that poverty is the root cause of criminality is at best naive and at worst moronic. This can only come from the liberal minds of socialistic/communistic people who think that Income Redistribution is the panacea for all societal ills. My friend, stealing from people who work hard

Re: [Vo]:A New Spin on Solar Cells

2012-10-02 Thread mixent
In reply to Jouni Valkonen's message of Wed, 3 Oct 2012 03:04:19 +0300: Hi, [snip] Individual PV-cell is operating at 20x efficiency, because the light is concentrated with lenses. However as only minor portion of the cone is in direct sunlight at the time, the total amount of silicon required

Re: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread fznidarsic
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, Oct 2, 2012 12:27 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:WLT Disproof Again, they refer to it as an ‘interesting’ phenomenon… are they just being polite here? snip That's what Niels Bohr said when he did not like a paper. Its interesting!

Re: [Vo]: Experimental Results with Nickel and Sodium Carbonate

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Walker
David, thanks for the interesting update. I just looked at two papers, and the figures for A/cm^2 that I saw were in the range of 0.1 to 0.4, so I imagine you're applying sufficient power. Comments inline. On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 10:32 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote: I am not

Re: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, Oct 2, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Gigi DiMarco gdmgdms...@gmail.com wrote: Since WLT forms the basis of a number of experimental approaches to LENR's (including Brillouin and NASA) maybe it's wise to read and try to understand the paper. I wonder about this. I suspect that people are just

Re: [Vo]:WLT Disproof

2012-10-02 Thread Axil Axil
Anderson localizationon cause large concentrations of heavy electrons to accumulate around imperfections in lattices such as cracks and bumps on rough surfaces. These concentrations of heavy electrons are what cause the lowering of the coulomb barrier. Cheers:Axil On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at

Re: [Vo]:Video: Iraj Parchamazad on LENR with Zeolites

2012-10-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Ruby r...@hush.com wrote: I edited an under-23-minute video of Dr. Iraj Parchamazad Chemistry Chairman of University of LaVerne talking about his research into anomalous heat reactions using nano-palladium loaded zeolites exposed to deuterium gas.