[Vo]:Natural gas electricity struggling in Europe

2013-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
As noted here several times, coal is actually increasing in Europe. They should do something about that. See: http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/rea/news/article/2013/03/what-do-struggling-gas-fired-plants-mean-for-renewables QUOTE: The idling of power stations built to last a generation is

[Vo]:Fusors, Poissors, virtual electrodes and synergy

2013-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
Speaking of Philo and the Fusor ... Farnsworth discovered an anomalous self-focusing space-charge phenomenon of electrons - which made the Fusor viable. Normally the tendency is to think that mutual Coulomb repulsion of electrons makes them impossible to control, but in fact spheres of them

Re: [Vo]:Fusors, Poissors, virtual electrodes and synergy

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
Why no mention of the WB series? On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Speaking of Philo and the Fusor ... Farnsworth discovered an anomalous self-focusing space-charge phenomenon of electrons - which made the Fusor viable. Normally the tendency is to think

RE: [Vo]:Fusors, Poissors, virtual electrodes and synergy

2013-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
Do you mean the post was too short :-) After all, I wanted to leave something for others, so the stage is yours. From: James Bowery Why no mention of the WB series?

Re: [Vo]:Fusors, Poissors, virtual electrodes and synergy

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
No, I mean that if you are interested in magnetic enhanced electrostatic confinement, there is no need to speculate. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Do you mean the post was too short J ** ** After all, I wanted to leave something for others,

[Vo]:LENUCO slipped to second - need votes NOW

2013-03-15 Thread Ruby
Please forward to all your friends and put LENR on the docket: http://futureenergy.ultralightstartups.com/campaign/detail/861 SmrtPwrNet has 100 votes more for #1, and printable photovoltaics has 50 less for third. However you feel about this technology, we should be able to gather

RE: [Vo]:Fusors, Poissors, virtual electrodes and synergy

2013-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
Well Bussard has an approach which may work, but it may more likely be burdened with a fundamental design error - in not fully capitalizing on spherical convergence - since it or was closer to cubical. IMHO proper spherical convergence needs at least 12 converging vectors at a minimum, or

[Vo]:ICCF18 registration is now open

2013-03-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
A message from the organizers: The ICCF-18 Conference registration is open. Please distribute this message widely. http://iccf18.research.missouri.edu/index.php - Jed

Re: [Vo]:LENUCO slipped to second - need votes NOW

2013-03-15 Thread Robert Dorr
I just voted for George Miley. While I was at the site I refreshed my browser over a 15 minute period and the Printable Photovoltaics entry went up 20 votes and it just keeps rising and George is now in third place. I am a bit dubious of this voting. Robert Dorr At 09:37 AM 3/15/2013,

Re: [Vo]:LENUCO slipped to second - need votes NOW

2013-03-15 Thread Alain Sepeda
slipped to 3rd. lost. first used a facebook vote exchange site (not a bot, a human bot). 2nd used egyptian student network (more honest) We are the only technology based network... I agree that all that is a clown story, and I understand that some says it is not dign.. Anyway it can raise

Re: [Vo]:Fusors, Poissors, virtual electrodes and synergy

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
The geometry hasn't changed since he first released information on WB6 in 2006 about what he had been dong with the Navy for several years under a Navy-imposed publishing embargo. The subsequent developments of the WB series -- now up to WB8.1 -- have not failed... to live up to promises as far

RE: [Vo]:Fusors, Poissors, virtual electrodes and synergy

2013-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
Well good. This must mean that they are finally out of milliwatt range? Norton gives me a strong warning not to go to the Navy site (neco.navy.mil). What is their power level these days and how many orders of magnitude away from breakeven ? From: James Bowery The geometry

Re: [Vo]:Nuclear Industry Withers in U.S. as Wind Pummels Prices

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Terry Blanton's message of Thu, 14 Mar 2013 17:30:39 -0400: Hi, [snip] On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 5:11 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: Smart meters log exactly when you consume power, so the power company can compare this to the times when excess power was available, and charge you a

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread pagnucco
An interesting paper - a printable copy is at URL: Arc-liberated chemical energy exceeds electrical input energy http://ose.accomazzi.net/files/15115795-Graneau-Paper-on-Water-Explosions.pdf There are also seven papers that cite this one, availble thru google. -- Lou Pagnucco James Bowery

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Thu, 14 Mar 2013 22:04:51 -0600: Hi Ed, [snip] Robin, according to my tables, the mass of a bare d is 2.014101778, which is the value I used. I don't know where you got the idea an electron is involved. These are nuclear reactions. Ed Your table is

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:56:35 -0500: Hi, [snip] I don't think even Jones suggested D = H + n. His words: Neutrons are 'stripped' from the deuterium ...and so they are, but only when either the neutron or the proton is immediately absorbed by another nucleus. I

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread Edmund Storms
Robin, that is not my understanding. The values are from GE nuclear Energy 15 Edition that give the mass of the nucleus. The mass is not only obtained using a mass spectrometer. It is obtained by IUPAC using a complex evaluation based on nuclear decay and energy measurements as well. The

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread David Roberson
And you get your short term loan and it pays you back with interest. :-) Dave -Original Message- From: mixent mix...@bigpond.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Mar 15, 2013 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine? In reply to James

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Edmund Storms's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 14:55:45 -0600: Hi Ed, [snip] Robin, that is not my understanding. The values are from GE nuclear Energy 15 Edition that give the mass of the nucleus. The mass is not only obtained using a mass spectrometer. It is obtained by IUPAC

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
Quoting from the conclusion of the article they reiterate the explanation of the source of energy: The difference in the latent heat between fog and bulk water is eventually restored by heat in the atmosphere, which allows the fog to condense and return to earth. Does this make any sense to

Re: [Vo]:RE: [Vo]:chlorine - hydrogen ion explosion

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 14 Mar 2013 13:41:12 -0400: Hi, [snip] First, Papp did not use hydrogen. He may not intentionally have used it, but it was definitely present, either as water or engine lubricating oil. The energy from the spark would be more than enough to liberate some

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:43:42 -0500: Hi, [snip] Quoting from the conclusion of the article they reiterate the explanation of the source of energy: The di?erence in the latent heat between fog and bulk water is eventually restored by heat in the atmosphere, which

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:56:35 -0500: Hi, [snip] I don't think even Jones suggested D = H + n. His words: Neutrons are 'stripped' from the deuterium ...and so they are, but only when either the

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:43:42 -0500: Hi, [snip] Quoting from the conclusion of the article they reiterate the explanation of the source of energy: The di?erence in the latent heat between fog

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:02:49 -0500: Hi, [snip] On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:56:35 -0500: Hi, [snip] I don't think even Jones suggested D = H + n. His words: Neutrons

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:05:34 -0500: Hi, [snip] On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:43:42 -0500: Hi, [snip] Quoting from the conclusion of the article they reiterate the

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 5:17 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:02:49 -0500: Hi, [snip] On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 3:39 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 00:56:35 -0500: Hi, [snip]

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 5:18 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:05:34 -0500: Hi, [snip] On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 4:49 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:43:42 -0500: Hi, [snip]

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread Edmund Storms
Thanks Robin, I see the problem. In this case, both the d and the p mass I used contains the electron. As a result, the energy change I calculated is correct because the electron mass cancels out. Nevertheless, this is not what Jones was claiming, so the value is not relevant. Ed On Mar

Re: [Vo]:LENUCO slipped to second - need votes NOW

2013-03-15 Thread Ruby
I'm bummed. Hope he doesn't try it a third time, cause I don't think I can put anymore time into another campaign like this. I just don't have enough friends. On 3/15/13 12:06 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote: slipped to 3rd. lost. first used a facebook vote exchange site (not a bot, a human bot).

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:20:21 -0500: Hi, [snip] How could such a short-lived neutron could get to the engine block? ..the reaction happens at or in the wall of the engine block. e.g. D + 56Fe = 57Fe + H + 5.4 MeV, or D + 58Fe = 59Fe (radioactive) + H + 4.3

RE: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
Robin, Yes - in the O-P effect, as you say - one or the other nucleons of D is absorbed by a target nucleus; and in the Fusor, it usually is the neutron. When the neutron is absorbed the net energy is ~20% less even though the mass of reactants cannot explain that difference, and the net

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 16:39:32 -0700: Hi Jones, Robin, Yes - in the O-P effect, as you say - one or the other nucleons of D is absorbed by a target nucleus; and in the Fusor, it usually is the neutron. When the neutron is absorbed the net energy is ~20% less even

RE: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
If my memory serves me correctly, it was Dr. Peter Graneau who wrote: Ampere-Neumann Electrodynamics of Metals which was advocating longitudinal forces. In the latest issue of JSE is this interesting article: The Journal of Scientific Exploration has just published its latest issue at

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:24:47 -0500: Hi, [snip] That's very problematic given Figure 6. They're showing 10 gain in that figure from E7 to E12. How can plasma physicists who are staking their careers on billions of dollars of investment to get to near break be

RE: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
Try this one: http://www.fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/375/Cross%20Section%20for%2 0Cold%20Deuterium-Deuterium%20Fusion.pdf there is a newer one, but the citation is eluding me. Fusion Technology apparently does not like for their articles to appear online without a cash exchange

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:04 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:24:47 -0500: Hi, [snip] That's very problematic given Figure 6. They're showing 10 gain in that figure from E7 to E12. How can plasma physicists who are staking their

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread Eric Walker
On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 6:04 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: The sentence:- The loss of intermolecular bond energy in the conversion from liquid to fog must be the source of the explosion energy. ... is the problem. First, they have the sign of intermolecular bond energy wrong. When water

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 20:16:02 -0500: Hi, [snip] On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:04 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote: In reply to James Bowery's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:24:47 -0500: Hi, [snip] That's very problematic given Figure 6. They're showing 10 gain

RE: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
It should be noted that George Hathaway was a co-author on several of the Graneau papers. He retracted some of conclusions: http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg26685.html “I published a rebuttal of the Graneau excess-energy claims a letter to the editor of Infinite Energy

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
Well, of course he would retract the nonsense about ambient energy. HOWEVER Did Hathaway retract the experimental data presented? If not, then the comparison of E7 to E12 still stands as true with very little in the way of inference. On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:07 PM, Jones Beene

RE: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread Jones Beene
Well, it would not be nonsense if there was gain from the zero point field. That kind of gain is expected to carry ambient heat with it - with the side effect of cooling the surroundings. From: James Bowery Well, of course he would retract the nonsense about ambient energy.

Re: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread James Bowery
Touché On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 9:44 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Well, it would not be nonsense if there was gain from the zero point field. ** ** That kind of gain is expected to carry ambient heat with it – with the side effect of cooling the surroundings. **

Re: [Vo]:Dilute D2O Cold Neutron Capture In Papp Engine?

2013-03-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Fri, 15 Mar 2013 18:09:38 -0700: Hi, [snip] Try this one: http://www.fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/375/Cross%20Section%20for%2 0Cold%20Deuterium-Deuterium%20Fusion.pdf This is an interesting paper, but I have a few problems with it. 1) Kim

RE: [Vo]:Graneau Questions

2013-03-15 Thread pagnucco
Yes. There are a number of papers proposing a counter-intuitive environment-to-system heat energy concentration based on non-thermal entropy exchanges (e.g. from spin baths) and/or taylored quantum measurement wavefunction collapses. Also, the anomalous effects surrounding lightning may be

Re: [Vo]:Natural gas electricity struggling in Europe

2013-03-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
I think that only way to make natural gas competitive, is to start fracking in Europe. In France Poland and Ukraine, there is good fracking reserves for natural gas, but this comes with high environmental cost. Situation is indeed grim for natural gas, because gas price is rising and it is