[Vo]:OFF TOPIC Torture cure for nostalgia about the good old days

2014-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
People sometimes wax nostalgic about the good old days. In the U.S. they often mean the era between the Civil War and WWI. Mark Twain called that the Gilded Age. It was a time of corruption and a growing gap between the social classes similar to our own. People who feel nostalgic about it should

[Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR

2014-05-20 Thread Jones Beene
With all the recent talk about the overlooked magnetic component of LENR - and spin coupling - at least for Ni-H and the Rossi effect, here is an excellent older paper which may contain insight on another piece of the puzzle, even if it was written to explain a completely different phenomenon (the

[Vo]:Dual Carbon Battery

2014-05-20 Thread Brad Lowe
This sounds pretty revolutionary battery technology: Japanese power company, Power Japan Plus has announced the development of a new type of battery intended for use in automobiles and other applications, the Ryden or dual carbon battery. The company claims the battery charges 20 times faster

[Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Peter Gluck
My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview-with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon.

RE: [Vo]:Dual Carbon Battery

2014-05-20 Thread Chris Zell
It's interesting but is it real? I wonder about the lack of details. -Original Message- From: Brad Lowe [mailto:ecatbuil...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2014 11:51 AM To: vortex-l Subject: [Vo]:Dual Carbon Battery This sounds pretty revolutionary battery technology: Japanese

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
Gamberalli is claiming that DGT applied a trick that mimics bubbling air of faulty pipes that increases the water bill. 2014-05-20 12:58 GMT-03:00 Peter Gluck peter.gl...@gmail.com: [image: Boxbe] https://www.boxbe.com/overview This message is eligible for Automatic Cleanup!

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
He didn't consider that the exhaust direction would have a higher differential of pressure and would be the ideal direction to go. The bubbling could just be a momentary effect, and he just showed a picture instead of a longer graph (notice that the fist one is set to 250ms and the in the second,

[Vo]:Re: CMNS: Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
One more thing to add. Why isn't the behavior of Argon different from what was seen during both demos? So, is Defkalion hidding a secret button, like Krivit thinks Rossi did during Mats Lewan's test? 2014-05-20 14:07 GMT-03:00 Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.com: He didn't consider that the

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Lennart Thornros
It is a big joke. Letterman would have a lot of fun with this story. So, after a year there are some unclear response. They say better late than never but I am not so sure that is applicable. I wrote the other day; As a young business man it happened that I was interviewed by local newspapers.

RE: [Vo]:Dual Carbon Battery

2014-05-20 Thread Jones Beene
I've been reading a lot of battery patents lately, and there are a lot to read. This battery does not appear to all that unique in the context of old patents ... and the story is typical of science by PR release which is a common practice these days. It is overhyped for sure. Using carbon for

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
Actually, there was some sarcasm, I don't know why the follow up comment was not posted here : He didn't consider that the exhaust direction would have a higher differential of pressure and would be the ideal direction to go. The bubbling could just be a momentary effect, and he just showed a

Re: [Vo]:Re: CMNS: Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Alain Sepeda
as far as I understand from Luca says the secret button is tuning 2 water tap. Probably it is ensuring slow flow of water in and some backpressure. It remind me when I open a tap in my house and at a point it is moaning, and in some house, some tap may make the house moan like a big cow.

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview -with-ceo-of-defkalion-green.html We also had a friendly discussion and have agreed that from now on Facts are so more important than Words..so please wait for Hyperion R6-pre-commercial, coming soon.

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 2:15 PM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: My dear Friends, I have just published: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2014/05/interview

Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer

2014-05-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Mon, 19 May 2014 16:37:16 -0700: Hi, [snip] Robin-- Would a crack cause alignment of magnetic lines of force better than the uniform lattice. If so, a crack in conjunction with magnetic field may be the NAE Ed has discussed. Bob I would think that due to

[Vo]:Industry standard calorimetry is described in the Federal Register, Title 10, Part 430

2014-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Defkalion and Rossi should should use the methods flow calorimetry described here and in the referenced ANSI documents: Federal Register, Title 10 of the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), Part 430—ENERGY CONSERVATION PROGRAM FOR CONSUMER PRODUCTS, Subpart B—Test Procedures Appendix E to Subpart

Re: [Vo]:An emerging diproton plus halo hypothesis

2014-05-20 Thread mixent
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Sun, 18 May 2014 16:58:19 -0700: Hi, [snip] -Original Message- From: mix...@bigpond.com Why invoke electrogravity when the normal nuclear force will do just fine? Note that the neutrons in the deuterons are already within range of this force, as the

Re: [Vo]:Nuclear isomer

2014-05-20 Thread Foks0904 .
You see something similar in Andrew Meulenberg's Extended Lochon Model, accept that he emphasizes the importance of electrostatic forces in and around linear NAE. All the best models, I think, are pointing in this direction of a sort of trap (whether magnetic or electrostatic). Even Ed's theory

Re: [Vo]:Defkalion looked promising at first

2014-05-20 Thread Rob Dingemans
Hi, It's so sad to notice that my gutfeeling about Defkalion was unfortunately right. On 15-5-2014 20:11, Jed Rothwell wrote: It seems the whole thing fell apart after Rossi broke the contract. My guess is that he never transferred the technology to them. That's what he said, and I suppose

[Vo]:Scientists discover how to turn light into matter after 80-year quest

2014-05-20 Thread Jack Cole
http://phys.org/news/2014-05-scientists-year-quest.html

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Jed Rothwell
Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with busting your NDA so openly is that it's going to be impossible to get anyone to trust you again. As I pointed out elsewhere, if Gamberale had not busted his NDA openly, warned the customers, and closed down the company, he

Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR

2014-05-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:28 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Since many observers seem wedded to a fusion scenario, despite the lack of any relevant indicia of a nuclear reaction, this insight from Cyril may be limited to those on the fringe of the fringe. There is at least one

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Interesting point, Jed. I wonder if this is why DGT is reluctant to sue him, because Luca would have to prove himself by saying that DGT was fraudulent and they don't want to have to defend against that. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:15 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote: Blaze

RE: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR

2014-05-20 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker There is at least one relevant indicium that NiH is a nuclear process: http://b-i.forbesimg.com/markgibbs/files/2013/05/130520_ragone_04.png Hmm… your assumption seems to be that if any reaction is an outlier to the main grouping, and much higher in energy or

Re: [Vo]:Increasing probability of Rossi being real upwards, to 35%

2014-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
CYPW is even cheaper today, closing at 0.009 cents. If they stay below a penny, they'll get downgraded to the pink sheets AFAIK. This is a rare chance for LENR aficianados to put a little bit of money down with the possibility of Black Swan Level gains and support LENR at the same time. With the

Re: [Vo]:Cyril Smith Paper may have relevance to LENR

2014-05-20 Thread Eric Walker
On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 9:42 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: If you think about that logically for a while, you will probably realize that your conclusion is false for reasons related to the incompleteness of the chart. Far from the conclusion that the location on the Ragone chart

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Axil Axil
At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal statute, fraud, NDA, jail, and illegal actions apply. When a valid patent is granted and the field of cold fusion becomes generally accepted in the real world, then DGT might well fell it legally possible to bring Gamberale

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What matters if money changed hands over misrepresentation. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: At this juncture, cold fusion is not a subject where the words criminal

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
*Q*: *Was calorimetry wrong?* A: I am not a scientist. Calorimetry was not set by us but from brilliant and well known international scientists. More obfuscation. Not answering the question. Basically bullshit. The answer is YES. The calorimetry was wrong. If Facts are so more important

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Axil Axil
To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to pink unicorn fairy dust or cold fusion: just one please. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:14 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: The subject matter is meaningless. The subject could be pink unicorn fairy dust. What

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you like. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:21 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: To support your opinion, please provide legal precedent pursuant to

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
Can you really understand why the calorimetry is wrong? Can you really see that the paper posted by DE is full of anecdotal evidences? Can you see that what they claim in AR vs. H2 is contradicted by the DEMO? Even if the DEMO was using wrong calorimetry, it was not in the way it was explained in

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Axil Axil
Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Axil, if you lie to someone that something does something it doesn't work so they give you money, that's Fraud. You can use a dictionary, if you

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Blaze Spinnaker
Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: Just one legal case dealing will cold fusion please, just one. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:24 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.com

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Can you really understand kindergarten level gamesmanship? Can you really see that the paper NEVER posted by Defkalion wouldn't have provided the kind of evidence we all needed anyways? Can you see that what is claimed in Obscurity vs. Larceny is contradicted by the fact that one of them

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Axil Axil
I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system provides consistency. On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:29 AM, Blaze Spinnaker blazespinna...@gmail.comwrote: Axil, that's not how the legal system works. There are no cold fusion laws. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:28

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold fusion supposed to be somehow exempt? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote: I thought that the legal system worked on precedent. That is how the legal system

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Well, Blaze, since you're back from your vacation or whatever... could you reply to the posts to you on your own thread about the assessment of the likelihood of Rossi being real? On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:38 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: The legal system DOES rely on

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Daniel Rocha
Uh, why would I care about Ed regarding this whole mess? This is not something related to how my ideas regarding CF are related to his. I read the 3 papers from Defkalion and they provided enough evidence for me to know how their process and Rossi's work. But an accusative article such as DE

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Ok, then let's leave Ed out of it. Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Daniel Rocha danieldi...@gmail.comwrote: Uh, why would I care about Ed regarding this whole mess? This is not something related to how my ideas regarding CF are related to his.

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Kevin O'Malley
Jed is right, and you are just whining like a couple of girls who didn't get ice cream. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:50 PM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.comwrote: Ok, then let's leave Ed out of it. Lately, you and Axil have gone off the edge. On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 10:45 PM, Daniel Rocha

Re: [Vo]:Interview with the CEO of Defkalion

2014-05-20 Thread Axil Axil
Defrauding people or organizations of money or valuables is the usual purpose of fraud. How was Gamberale defrauded? On Wed, May 21, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote: The legal system DOES rely on precedent. And there's tons of it when it comes to fraud. Is cold