Re: [Vo]:Events at the end of Jiang's run #2, Fig. 3

2016-03-01 Thread Alain Sepeda
>From the exchanges it seems we miss some "metadata" associated with the curve. One thing that amazed me was pressure change, but if there is presurization by bottle, then there is no mystery. hot H2 and TC seems not to work together, even if Pr Songsheng reports documents that state

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread Axil Axil
1. Lars March 1, 2016 at 7:48 PM Can the Quark power itself? 2. Andrea Rossi March 1, 2016 at 9:18 PM Lars: Partly. Warm

Re: [Vo]:Events at the end of Jiang's run #2, Fig. 3

2016-03-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
H LV wrote: I think you interchanged T1 and T2. > I do not think so, but you can check my work. Copy the original image out of the Chinese .pdf paper and paste it into a graphics program. It comes out in one chunk, easily. I am pretty sure that at that point, T2 is

Re: [Vo]:Events at the end of Jiang's run #2, Fig. 3

2016-03-01 Thread H LV
I think you interchanged T1 and T2. Harry On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: > I printed out the graph and measured the elapsed time between events toward > the end of the run, starting around hour 14:00. I measured some temperatures > on the right Y

Re: [Vo]:Events at the end of Jiang's run #2, Fig. 3

2016-03-01 Thread Bob Higgins
The events leading up to the excess heat are also significant. Apparently in the heat treatment phase the H2 pressure was topped up with a tank to 500kPa and it stayed there a while. Then the pressure began to fall gradually to 300kPa where, at about 14:15, the pressure was topped up again to

[Vo]:Events at the end of Jiang's run #2, Fig. 3

2016-03-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Let me send this message again, with a very small copy of the image attached. I wrote: > Minute 41. T2 begins falling much faster. > This is a little hard to see. Look carefully. The slope of T2 changes a lot. At face value, that does indicate there is a source of heat in the cell which cuts

Re: [Vo]:Events at the end of Jiang's run #2, Fig. 3

2016-03-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
I wrote: > Minute 41. T2 begins falling much faster. > This is a little hard to see. Look carefully. The slope of T2 changes a lot. At face value, that does indicate there is a source of heat in the cell which cuts off when the slope increases. I am not saying this is definitive. Let me

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread David Roberson
I see that he clarified his original statement somewhat. His original post was quite misleading. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2016 5:00 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks Lars

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread Axil Axil
1. Lars March 1, 2016 at 12:05 PM Is your goal with E-Cat X to only produce electricity and with that being able to produce heat and light? 2. Andrea Rossi March 1, 2016 at 2:40 PM

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread Nick
Back in 2013 on his Blog, Rossi said a Cold Cat might be possible ; http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=771=5#comment-520563 Nixter, NICK

RE: [Vo]:Events at the end of Jiang's run #2, Fig. 3

2016-03-01 Thread Russ George
It is a telling and sad story on the character of LENR when this Chinese report that shows inadequate experimental design and clearly defective thermocouples with no redundancy is proposed by some as a ‘confirmation’ of lenr. Whether the reported experiment(s) are shoddy or not, the data

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

2016-03-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
Bob Higgins wrote: I sent a copy of my translation of Songsheng Jiang's paper to him for > review. He found a couple of typos and a couple other small things to > revise. . . . > Thanks again! - Jed

[Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

2016-03-01 Thread Bob Higgins
I sent a copy of my translation of Songsheng Jiang's paper to him for review. He found a couple of typos and a couple other small things to revise. So, I have made the changes and here is the revision 1 of Dr. Jiang's paper for your records.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread H LV
Maybe he means the E-Cat X will will be sold with an electrical voltage like a battery. Harry On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I just read Rossi's answer to a question where he is asked if a quark can be > built that only puts out electricity with no

[Vo]:Events at the end of Jiang's run #2, Fig. 3

2016-03-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
I printed out the graph and measured the elapsed time between events toward the end of the run, starting around hour 14:00. I measured some temperatures on the right Y axis. I assume T2 and T4 are correct. I do not trust T1. Times are approximate: Minute 0. T1 and T2 begin rising. T4 stable.

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread David Roberson
I just read Rossi's answer to a question where he is asked if a quark can be built that only puts out electricity with no heat. Frank Acland asked the question and Rossi responded yes with his f9 key active. The answer was fairly clear to me and extremely difficult to believe! I hope his

Re: [Vo]:Solving the mystery of SPP

2016-03-01 Thread Axil Axil
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String-net_liquid The vacuum is considered a String-net liquid and the electron and photon are emergent properties that derive from the vacuum. "Their model purports to show the derivation of photons, electrons, and U(1) gauge charge, small (relative to the planck

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Video shows how superior animal intelligence is compared to artificial intelligence

2016-03-01 Thread Jed Rothwell
H LV wrote: I wonder if the cat felt surprised, annoyed and/or amused after > realizing the glass had been moved. > I am pretty sure she was surprised, based on her reaction. If the video had lasted longer we might be able to read other emotions, especially by watching the

[Vo]:Solving the mystery of SPP

2016-03-01 Thread Jones Beene
There is an interesting artist (yup, artiste) and intuitive (i.e. potential crackpot or potential genius, not sure) and physics theorist name Miles Mathis … which many have heard of in a negative light, because, despite his brilliance, well he does things like this (propose that Pi=4).

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread Axil Axil
What Rossi wants to do is produce the most basic LENR module that is possible and do it as efficiently as possible using economies of scale. It will be up to the systems integrator to design the backplane and heat transfer system to meet the spec that is required. A factory steam boiler, a

[Vo]:OT: Restorative Justice

2016-03-01 Thread H LV
Three minute video explaining the difference between Restorative Justice and Criminal Justice. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE8TDzlR2tg Some key points: Restorative justice represents a paradigm change from thinking about justice as a mechanism for social control to thinking about justice as

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

2016-03-01 Thread H LV
On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 9:23 AM, Jones Beene wrote: > -Original Message- > From: H LV > >> The 'self-sustaining' phase that follows represents the release of energy >> which was being stored while the power was on. > > Harry - If you are talking about Fig2 - the May

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread David Roberson
That is what I recall. Perhaps it is time to recheck this fact within his blog. Dave -Original Message- From: Axil Axil To: vortex-l Sent: Tue, Mar 1, 2016 12:50 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks Was it stated somewhere

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread a.ashfield
Rossi has said elsewhere that of course the E Cat X is hot. What I think he means is that the excess power can be taken off almost entirely by electrical energy. He adds that this is less efficient. Of course there are no hard facts here, but Rossi watchers note that he is noticeably more

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread Axil Axil
Was it stated somewhere that the quark produces little or no heat? On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 12:34 PM, David Roberson wrote: > I read his postings and remain quite skeptical. I especially find it > difficult to believe that the output of one of these devices can be > entirely

[Vo]:about the so-called LENR swamp

2016-03-01 Thread Peter Gluck
Info-flow quite promisng Yes, it is a swamp in LENR-land and it is created by the Problem itself Senot by inadequate people or attitudes.See: http://egooutpeters.blogspot.ro/2016/03/mar-01-2016-about-so-called-lenr-swamp.html Peter -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania

Re: [Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread David Roberson
I read his postings and remain quite skeptical. I especially find it difficult to believe that the output of one of these devices can be entirely electrical with no residual heat. Dave -Original Message- From: a.ashfield To: vortex-l

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Video shows how superior animal intelligence is compared to artificial intelligence

2016-03-01 Thread H LV
I wonder if the cat felt surprised, annoyed and/or amused after realizing the glass had been moved. harry

Re: [Vo]:OFF TOPIC Video shows how superior animal intelligence is compared to artificial intelligence

2016-03-01 Thread Ken Deboer
Nice work, Jed, and also the comments of Vibrator are right on. As an old retired biologist,it has been heartening to see the neurosciences admitting to higher neural and mental functioning in animals, including the near-human intellectual and cognitive achievements you noted in the cat.

[Vo]:Rossi's tiny 100W quarks

2016-03-01 Thread a.ashfield
Rossi has made several comments about a tiny version of the E-Cat X. He says he is thinking of using it as a basic module for larger units. How would he control it? Unless it is much more stable in the smaller size the cost of the control system would be a disadvantage. Interesting that it

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

2016-03-01 Thread Vibrator !
Calorimetry, external TC's and OT for internal temps would provide a fuller picture. K-type TC's typically contain nickel so have a low Curie point and are often only rated up to 185°C anyway. I also suspect they may be susceptible to photoelectric induction since what they actually sense is

RE: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

2016-03-01 Thread Jones Beene
-Original Message- From: H LV > The 'self-sustaining' phase that follows represents the release of energy > which was being stored while the power was on. Harry - If you are talking about Fig2 - the May run, that conclusion is not supported by the facts, since --- when the power was

Re: [Vo]:New paper from Jiang in Chinese

2016-03-01 Thread Alain Sepeda
(about 2nd november experiment, fig3) When I look at T4, at pressure, compared to input power, it seems there is something weird happening. does anybody know what causes the increase of pressure just when power is slightly stepped ? about 14:00-14:15... I suspect it is just heat ? since all other