On May 12, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
--- Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote:
Kyle,
I have a construction suggestion. If you haven't
already thought of
this, try using double sided tape to position the
rotor magnets instead
of glue.
Have to remember that for future. On
Horace Heffner wrote:
On May 12, 2009, at 4:12 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
--- Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote:
Kyle,
I have a construction suggestion. If you haven't
already thought of
this, try using double sided tape to position the
rotor magnets instead
of glue.
Have to
On May 13, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Also per Wikipedia, the Curie point for iron is 768 C. That's over
500
C margin between the hot melt temp and the Curie point, so one would
guess that hot gluing the magnets is probably harmless.
The Curie point of iron is
Horace Heffner wrote:
On May 13, 2009, at 8:32 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
Also per Wikipedia, the Curie point for iron is 768 C. That's over 500
C margin between the hot melt temp and the Curie point, so one would
guess that hot gluing the magnets is probably harmless.
The
--- Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca wrote:
Kyle,
I have a construction suggestion. If you haven't
already thought of
this, try using double sided tape to position the
rotor magnets instead
of glue.
Have to remember that for future. On Saturday, I spent
a while hot gluing them down to the
2009/5/10, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
On May 10, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand.
Has your hand raised yet? 8^)
Only under the force of my own thought so far :) I don't claim
ownership of that brilliant joke BTW, I
On May 10, 2009, at 10:00 PM, Michel Jullian wrote:
2009/5/10, Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net:
On May 10, 2009, at 12:55 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:
All those who believe in psychokinesis, raise my hand.
Has your hand raised yet? 8^)
Only under the force of my own thought so far
On May 10, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Suppose the wood is just wood and the magnet is just a magnet,
how else might he be faking it?
Harry
By use of air flow directed by a large orifice nozzle off camera. It
doesn't take much energy to keep a wheel turning. It is just a
- Original Message -
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
Date: Monday, May 11, 2009 4:07 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
On May 10, 2009, at 6:55 PM, Harry Veeder wrote:
Suppose the wood is just wood and the magnet is just a magnet,
how else might he be faking
]:Latest from Mylow
--- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I could easily design such a hoax: Batteries
connected to a solenoid
triggered by a Hall effect gate such that, between
the gap of the
rotor magnets a pulse is triggered providing enough
bump to keep the
rotor going
On May 11, 2009, at 7:32 AM, Harry Veeder wrote:
I guess he should be willing to dangle some strips of paper around
the motor
to prove he is not using air flow.
harry
Independent replication is key. And the keyword there is
independent. Anything else is not dependable. You can play
Horace -
That's what I was thinking too, but wouldn't those dangly things on his
table lamp serve to indicate air flow? They look rather heavy, but also look
like they hang loose enough to indicate a fairly small breeze.
R.
---
By use of air flow directed by a large orifice
On Sat, 9 May 2009, Terry Blanton wrote:
I could easily design such a hoax: Batteries connected to a solenoid
Over the last twenty years I came up with a few rules for FE analysis.
My number one rule is to either assume that the inventor is fooling
himself, or the device is an outright hoax.
On May 11, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Rick Monteverde wrote:
Horace -
That's what I was thinking too, but wouldn't those dangly things on
his
table lamp serve to indicate air flow? They look rather heavy, but
also look
like they hang loose enough to indicate a fairly small breeze.
R.
My
There are several videos. In one he says that people have complained that
the lamp beside the disc has a coil or something in it and he picks it,
turns it over, peels off the back to show inside it. The lamp has dangling
glass or plastic decorative parts that swing and move easily.
My impression
Scottsdale, Arizona US
http://HoytStearns.com
-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister
kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com
Harry
t- Original Message -
From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com
Date: Saturday, May 9, 2009 5:03 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
The most probable explanation IMHO is that the guy is a prankster,
besides doesn't he say so himself at the end of the 2nd video you
On May 9, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide
a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid,
and some control circuitry.
All it takes is a bolt (core) wrapped with a small sense coil and a
larger energizing coil. You hook
-
From: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net
Date: Sunday, May 10, 2009 3:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
On May 9, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide
a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid,
and some
: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
On May 9, 2009, at 12:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister wrote:
I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide
a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid,
and some control circuitry.
All it takes is a bolt (core) wrapped with a small sense coil and a
larger
IMO based on what little information appears to have been posted so
far, there is no way to know for sure if Mylow is a con-artist or
whether he really has accomplished an extraordinary feat.
Under the circumstances it would seem wise not to invest one's
personal convictions too strongly in
]:Latest from Mylow
IMO based on what little information appears to have been posted so
far, there is no way to know for sure if Mylow is a con-artist or
whether he really has accomplished an extraordinary feat.
Under the circumstances it would seem wise not to invest one's
personal
,
maybe within the horizontal wooden supports, but there are so many
ways the thing could be faked!
Michel
2009/5/7 Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca:
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From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
If the magnetic
the stator assembly, maybe within the horizontal wooden supports, but there are so many ways the thing could be faked! Michel 2009/5/7 Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca: - Original Message - From: mix...@bigpond.com Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest
: Saturday, May 9, 2009 5:03 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
The most probable explanation IMHO is that the guy is a prankster,
besides doesn't he say so himself at the end of the 2nd video you
linked to? Something like Look at me, I am the prankster, now you
guys find how I did it.
My
--- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I could easily design such a hoax: Batteries
connected to a solenoid
triggered by a Hall effect gate such that, between
the gap of the
rotor magnets a pulse is triggered providing enough
bump to keep the
rotor going. All hidden in the woods so
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister
kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
...or am I? cue lightning bolts, organ music
Kitty fur static electricity?
Terry
From Kyle:
...
While I think this thing probably will not work, I am
building an attempted replication with my wife. We're
heading back to the workshop now to continue, rotor is
ready, and we'll make the stator. It is entertaining
her, so that counts for something :)
I wonder about the
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister
kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder about the aluminum U channel. One could hide
a few AAA's in there, and a small 'kicker' solenoid,
and some control circuitry.
Hmmm. And he has adjusted the
...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 2:09 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 3:45 PM, Kyle Mcallister
kyle_mcallis...@yahoo.com wrote:
--- Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
...or am I? cue lightning bolts, organ music
Kitty fur static
2009/5/5 Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca:
- Original Message -
From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
2009/5/5 OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
...eddies within the rotating aluminum disk...
Ah, is he
Harry
MJ: More seriously, 36 hours is no big feat, a simple pendulum can run
much longer than that while swapping potential energy with kinetic
energy, just like magmos do.
I think such a pendulum would have to swing higher and higher when it
first starts to run for the comparison to be
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From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 3:19 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
2009/5/5 Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca:
- Original Message -
From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 2:21
1) Alnico will not discharge or decay except by strong heating [to the Curie
point] or a very strong magnetic field, neither of which exist in the Mylow
setup. It takes a very strong magnetic field to magnetize the alloy, as with
ferrite or neodymium. These typically relax some after the
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
Harry
MJ: More seriously, 36 hours is no big feat, a simple pendulum
can run
much longer than that while swapping potential energy with kinetic
From Mike Carrell
My comments spaced between Mike's
1) Alnico will not discharge or decay except by strong heating
[to the Curie point] or a very strong magnetic field, neither of
which exist in the Mylow setup. It takes a very strong magnetic
field to magnetize the alloy, as with ferrite or
OrionWorks wrote:
From Mike Carrell
My comments spaced between Mike's
1) Alnico will not discharge or decay except by strong heating
[to the Curie point] or a very strong magnetic field, neither of
which exist in the Mylow setup. It takes a very strong magnetic
field to magnetize the
- Original Message -
From: Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 10:36 am
Subject: RE: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
Harry
MJ: More seriously, 36 hours is no big feat, a simple pendulum
can run
much longer than that while swapping potential energy with kinetic
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 06 May 2009 15:41:23 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
But that would involve a conspiracy of sorts!
Right. Anybody who puts an experiment on a glass table to show there's
nothing hidden underneath and then puts up a U-tube video of it doing
something
mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Stephen A. Lawrence's message of Wed, 06 May 2009 15:41:23 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
But that would involve a conspiracy of sorts!
Right. Anybody who puts an experiment on a glass table to show there's
nothing hidden underneath and then puts up a U-tube video
- Original Message -
From: mix...@bigpond.com
Date: Wednesday, May 6, 2009 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
If the magnetic domain wall relaxation time is on the same order of
size as the
time between changes in magnetic field strength due to passage of
the moving
From: Harry Veeder
Mylow demonstrates his magnetic motor on a table with a glass top:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMbgGcHeEYfeature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMdwL7bBmGEfeature=channel
The stator magnets (at the upper left of the assembly) consist of
two horseshoe magnets in
- Original Message -
From: OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
From: Harry Veeder
Mylow demonstrates his magnetic motor on a table with a glass top:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMbgGcHeEYfeature=channel
From Harry Veeder:
Somewhere he said the bar magnets came from radioshack.
I would like to see him cover the Aluminum disk with
something non-magnetic.
Yes, indeed!
I tracked down some additional info on the subject. A very good
description of Mylow's detailed explorations of the HJ
2009/5/5 OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
...eddies within the rotating aluminum disk...
Ah, is he? (your comment called for this Arthur Dent quote didn't it Steven ;-)
More seriously, 36 hours is no big feat, a simple pendulum can run
much longer than that while swapping potential energy
From Michel:
2009/5/5 OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
...eddies within the rotating aluminum disk...
Ah, is he? (your comment called for this Arthur Dent quote didn't
it Steven ;-)
You've got me in the cross-hairs, Michel. I doubt my clunky prose will
ever be as eloquent as Douglas
Lenz effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz's_law
If anything, it will impede the motion of the motor.
Terry
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 3:03 PM, OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com wrote:
From Michel:
2009/5/5 OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
...eddies within the rotating aluminum
Terry Sez:
Lenz effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz's_law
If anything, it will impede the motion of the motor.
Indeed, methinks that's a logical assumption. I was looking at the
same Wiki link.
Nevertheless, the alnico magnets are slowly demagnetizing. My
suspicion is that the
- Original Message -
From: Michel Jullian michelj...@gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 2:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
2009/5/5 OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com:
...eddies within the rotating aluminum disk...
Ah, is he? (your comment called for this Arthur Dent
Frankly, I think things are happening off camera. My opinion, I could be wrong.
All tests performed by my group show that you must eliminate as many
conductors from the magnetic motor as possible.
I'll consider replication when we see some independent testimony from
one who has seen the motor
I finally looked at the Mylow video. There have been many attempts at
something like this. Some years ago there was the SMOT, featuring a ball
bearing and a ramp between two magnets. There was seeming sincerity on the
part of its inventor, but the end was disappointment. There have been
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From Harry Veeder:
Somewhere he said the bar magnets came from radioshack.
I would like to see him cover the Aluminum disk with something
non-magnetic.
Yes, indeed!
I tracked down some additional info on the subject. A very good description
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As the smoke cleared, Mark Iverson zeropo...@charter.net
mounted the barricade and roared out:
Why the different magnets? There was some mention of asymmetry
involved... is it asymmetric with respect to magnet material? Did he
try using
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From: OrionWorks svj.orionwo...@gmail.com
Date: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 4:28 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Latest from Mylow
Terry Sez:
Lenz effect:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenz's_law
If anything, it will impede the motion of the motor.
Indeed, methinks
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As the smoke cleared, Harry Veeder hvee...@ncf.ca
mounted the barricade and roared out:
Do you think your group might be able to test this hypothesis?
...
One might also trying using the plastic disk with and without a layer
of aluminium foil.
Mylow demonstrates his magnetic motor on a table with a glass top:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvMbgGcHeEYfeature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMdwL7bBmGEfeature=channel
The stator magnets (at theupper left of the assembly) consist of two
horseshoe magnets in a staggered arrangement.
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