Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
do you think? Stewart On Saturday, March 1, 2014, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: That's a nice cover. How did you make it? Frank -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread Axil Axil
: That's a nice cover. How did you make it? Frank -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook/dp/B00HZ05VIE/ref=sr_1_1?s=booksie=UTF8qid=1390339797sr=1-1 It is basically the first 6 months of my blog

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread Bob Cook
Stewart-- I think Jones has that first slot already taken. (:) Bob - Original Message - From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 10:47 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread ChemE Stewart
think Jones has that first slot already taken. (:) Bob - Original Message - *From:* ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 10:47 AM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find I'm not sure if I want to write a million books or sell

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread Bob Cook
Yes I think Peter said something about the first week in February Bob - Original Message - From: ChemE Stewart To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 03, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Yes, I thought of Jones as well grounded and has a very good

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread John Berry
Message - *From:* ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, March 03, 2014 2:13 PM *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Yes, I thought of Jones as well grounded and has a very good understanding of the potential quantum theory behind the animal

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-03 Thread fznidarsic
/negativity? Sound -Original Message- From: John Berry berry.joh...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find What about different dielectric values different for the plastic? (or more in-depth analysis dielectric

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-03-01 Thread fznidarsic
That's a nice cover. How did you make it? Frank -Original Message- From: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:13 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Matters-Lot-Annotated-Experiment-ebook

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find -Radar story

2014-03-01 Thread David L Babcock
I worked on Navy electronic contracts and had several opportunities to watch huge pulsed RF energies sprayed out of big waveguides onto our equipment, testing for radiation susceptibility, out on a rooftop. Huge because I have no clear memory of how much, but it was certainly more that a MW

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find -Radar story

2014-03-01 Thread ChemE Stewart
If you want to see what I think a couple years of 3-5 megawatts of 24/7 pulsed Doppler radiation from 7 radars is doing to biology, click on the link http://sdsimonson.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/2-8-14-indian-river-lagoon-florida1.png http://darkmattersalot.com/2014/01/31/the-killing-fields/

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic
that needs to be my next product. A USB to single digital output. Frank -Original Message- From: AlanG a...@magicsound.us To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 6:09 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM, fznidar

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic
- From: fznidarsic fznidar...@aol.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 9:09 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Thank you Alan G. How?I really want to do this. I am lacking in my knowledge of digital signal processing. What software? Once I process

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic
Sorry about the rant but getting the 1 and 0 out of the computer brings back bad memories. I had an office/ plant computer on my office. I used to print out documents and to print out data from a PLC, a PLC programmer, and local displays in the plant. It was OK and I was happy with it. They

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread AlanG
On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Alan G. How?I really want to do this. I would start with a process-control camera module, maybe 320x240 pixels. You shouldn't need more resolution, and keeping the pixel count small means you won't need a fancy image processing

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic
: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Alan G. How?I really want to do this. I would start with aprocess-control

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vortex-l@eskimo.com'); Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find On 2/28/2014 6:09 AM, fznidar...@aol.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','fznidar...@aol.com');wrote: Thank you Alan G. How?I really want to do this. I would start

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread fznidarsic
@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Frank, I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that count? I think more people are interested in watching Justin Beiber pee in a trash can. On Friday, February 28, 2014, fznidar

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread ChemE Stewart
: ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, Feb 28, 2014 2:33 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Frank, I sold 3 books in February, but I found out one sale was my wife, does that count? I think more people are interested in watching Justin

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-28 Thread Terry Blanton
On Fri, Feb 28, 2014 at 9:13 PM, ChemE Stewart cheme...@gmail.com wrote: You and Terry are electrical engineers, do you guys think that is a good idea to put your head beside a 30,000 watt pulsed microwave radar while drinking a Pina Colada?? No. It's either a Mai Tai or pure rum, 151 pf.

[Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
I am still working on my plastic detector. It can't discriminate between #1 and #5 plastic. The #5 plastic produces a rainbow of colors when placed between two linear polarizes. The #1 does not. #1 randomizes the polarization and the light path and becomes clear. The effect is dramatic. I

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
am Subject: [Vo]:Plastic detector find I am still working on my plastic detector. It can't discriminate between #1 and #5 plastic. The #5 plastic produces a rainbow of colors when placed between two linear polarizes. The #1 does not. #1 randomizes the polarization and the light path

RE: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Jones Beene
Can you use relative density as a parameter? Many plastics like PVC are relatively dense and will sink in water unless there is entrained air in the sample. This is because their solid density is higher than H2O. OTOH the most of common resins (cheap plastic) - which includes all the

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Thank you Jones. I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and washed. All of the intact bottles float. They arrive dirty, crushed flat, and with the labels on and off. Large recyclers have methods to do this. These methods are expensive at $100,000. There are a lot of small

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
Look into modifying this type of device as a value added modification. http://www.olivermanufacturing.com/products/color-sorter.php Wash and then mill the plastic into particles that can be sorted at high speed. software can react to optical characteristics to of particle sensors to air blast

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Jones. I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and washed. Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_recycling

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread leaking pen
terry, HIGH SPEED is the key. very interesting project. good luck! On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: Thank you Jones. I want to detect the bottles before they are shredded and washed.

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread H Veeder
Terry, Are you being funny? With barcodes and scanners cashiers don't need to read to price labels. He wants to devise a scanning method that identifies the type plastic without the need for labels. The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar code. Harry On Thu,

RE: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Jones Beene
Wait l-p . hodedo. there is a fix for everything. At least 15 years ago - a friend of mine helped design a zip code reader for USPS which operated at blinding speed even then. Now it the improved device reads everything on the address but at one time it only searched for zip codes.

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
This is a systems integration project. All the parts of the system that he wants have already be developed and exist in the marketplace. It is always better to intergrade that to develop from scratch. Total automation is the key with not humans to pay. Customers of this system do not like to

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Need Ideas. video linked below 3mb type mp4. http://www.angelfire.com/scifi2/zpt/temp/PlasticCir.mp4 Conditon #1 Two opposed circular polarizers block the light. Condition #2 #1 PET plastic between the polarizers lets in the light. The effect is dramatic and easily detectable.

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Axil Axil
If you serialize the flow of plastic particles, each particle is analyzed based on it own optical characterization. To get high speed throughput, Process a 1000 particles a second one at a time. Multiple parallel particle paths can provide any level of desired throughput. On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread Terry Blanton
On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Could this kind of reader be adapted with Kurtzweilian robotics to do the grunt job... ? Sure. But there are high speed plastic sorters already available.

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
I know. I am looking for a robust low cost solution. I have found that if you look at the number #5 though a opposed circular polarizers you get an array of colors with light and dark spots. ref the video. If you look at the same plastic with the second circular polarizer reversed (+ for -)

Fwd: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
Why don't you just read the code off the bottom of the bottle? Thank you Terry. The bottles arrive crushed flat in the garbage truck. I have to make another video of the reversing of the colors its neat. I am still thinking and why not, its to cold to go outside. Frank

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread fznidarsic
. The optical properties of each plastic type would act like a natural bar code. Harry -Original Message- From: H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, Feb 27, 2014 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find Terry, Are you being funny? With barcodes

Re: [Vo]:Plastic detector find

2014-02-27 Thread AlanG
On 2/27/2014 10:17 AM, fznidar...@aol.com wrote: #5 Plastic lets the light through in colors. Use a cheap camera sensor and look at the color counts. Assuming the light source is broad-spectrum, the #5 image should have a pretty high range of color delta compared to the others. AlanG It's