Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

a.ashfield wrote: > I have experience of ~90 glass melting furnaces ranging from 4 - 450 T/day. > The electrically heated ones were quite cool because the superstructure is > not hot. The gas fired ones use ~4 million BTU per ton so a 250 t/day > melter would use the

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed, I have experience of ~90 glass melting furnaces ranging from 4 - 450 T/day.The electrically heated ones were quite cool because the superstructure is not hot.The gas fired ones use ~4 million BTU per ton so a 250 t/day melter would use the equivalent of 12208 KW.The glass is heated to

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed, They may have been 20KW. I found a link that indicates that he did indeed switch from the smaller e-cats to the 250KW units. The URL is "http://hydrofusion.com/news/e-cat-third-quarter-developments-2015; The main quote is: "Built-in Redundancy In the first week of August, 2015,

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed, I understood that he did indeed have 4 250 kW units in the container which he used for the test. The older 50 or so smaller units were also in the container as back up units but were never used in 1 year test, only the 250 W units were used apparently. There are pictures I think on

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Robert Dorr wrote: > Didn't Rossi switch from the small square 10kw boxes you refer to, to 4 > 250kw units. I think there are 50 boxes in the latest unit, so that's 20 kW per box = 1,000 kW. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed, Didn't Rossi switch from the small square 10kw boxes you refer to, to 4 250kw units. Robert Dorr WA7ZQR At 01:17 PM 5/15/2016, you wrote: Okay, here are the specs for these boilers:

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Okay, here are the specs for these boilers: file:///home/chronos/u-1160197d37ec1500e70f021620dd3bae3f09f41c/Downloads/DR_Electric%20Steam%20Boiler_Nov10.pdf The models S242 and CR242 are both 420 kW. The dimensions for both are listed in inches: 43" L x 58" W x 78" H That's 1 m x 1.5 m x 2 m

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Thanks Eric. From the specs I got the impression it was about 1 sq m (30x30x60 inches) but perhaps it was a component as it looks bigger in your picture. Still should fit in a container though. More interesting to me was the data about efficiency. I wish there was an HVAC engineer who has

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On Sun, May 15, 2016 at 12:28 PM, Stephen Cooke wrote: http://www.cleaverbrooks.com/Products-and-Solutions/Boilers/Electric/Model-IWH/Index.aspx > > Would this not be equivalent to a 250 kW ecat unit? > The max is 350 kW. Here is an image with a person to show the

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hello Jed, I'm clearly no expert and do not claim to be but there are interesting examples of electrical boilers on the Internet. Here is an interesting link to a electrical water heater that seems comparable to an e-cat unit.

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Robert Dorr wrote: > I just don't see why it is so difficult determining the COP of such a > large system. As far as I can see you have to make a few measurements to > get a very good idea of a thermal plants performance. . . . > It is not difficult when you stick to the

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

I just don't see why it is so difficult determining the COP of such a large system. As far as I can see you have to make a few measurements to get a very good idea of a thermal plants performance. 1) temperature of water going in, 2) temperature or water going out, 3) water flow rate, 4)

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Robert Dorr wrote: > Since you are in communication with someone that is linked to I.H. maybe > you can answer a few questions. > Sorry, I cannot address these questions. I hope that I.H. will be able to address them. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed Thanks again for your patience with my questions. I know they were a bit basic but I wanted to clarify exactly the understanding. Most the thermal issues especially the waste heat are honestly over my head so I will leave that to experts. If there is less than 20kW thermal output I

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil-- Don’t be so mean! Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 9:00 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat But there is a contradiction here since IH accepted that the Rossi reactor does produce gainful heat to the tune of $11,500,000.

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Eric-- Thanks for that correction. I was reading the original agreement. I assume the difference between 4 and 6 was only a matter of fine tuning for Rossi. The agreement indicated the requirement to identify the control procedures to operate the E-Cat. What those procedures specify will

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil-- See the Civil complaint that Rossi filed in the Federal Court: Case 1:16-cv-21199-CMA Document 1, Entered on FLSD Document 04/05/2016 Page 1. I specifies: “CIVIL COMPLAINT & DEMAND FOR JURY TRIAL” Bob Cook From: Axil Axil Sent: Saturday, May 14, 2016 2:50 PM To: vortex-l Subject: Re:

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Stephen Cooke wrote: This is probably a naive question on my part, so I apologize for that. But > in the interest of clarity I wonder if the definition of "excess heat" and > "heat balance" is the same for all parties. I strongly expect it is of > course. > As far as

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Hi Jed, This is probably a naive question on my part, so I apologize for that. But in the interest of clarity I wonder if the definition of "excess heat" and "heat balance" is the same for all parties. I strongly expect it is of course. It seems from what you said that the technicians

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed, Since you are in communication with someone that is linked to I.H. maybe you can answer a few questions. 1) Is I.H.'s finding that the 1 MW e-cat plant produced no heat (COP <1) based on the very same data set that Rossi used to determine that the COP was greater than 50? Is the COP

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

But there is a contradiction here since IH accepted that the Rossi reactor does produce gainful heat to the tune of $11,500,000. This payment was made on response to the demonstration of a COP 6 or above for a 24 hour period as defined in the license agreement. You must be in error in your

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil Axil wrote: > Jed or another could negotiate the COP down but by how much is the > question. 50 is really high to come down from. > I cannot negotiate anything. I have no standing in this and no role. I am not a professional HVAC engineer licensed in Florida, so no

Re: [Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 11:00 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > Jed-- > > You noted that: > > > > > > THE AGREEMENT DOES NOT REQUIRE PRODUCING 50 TIME THE INPUT ENERGY. > > > If the COP is less than four, the amount paid is reduced proportionately. So a COP of 1,1 could still make

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Hi, On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Bob Cook wrote: I would note that all the Agreement called for is a COP of 4. > The second amendment to the agreement modified this detail to stipulate, as I understand it, a graduated payment for a COP between 2.6 and 6, with the

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Jed-- You noted that: “Think about it for a moment. Rossi says the machine is producing 50 times input. I.H. says it is producing no heat. One of them has to be drastically wrong. Completely, utterly mistaken, and grossly incompetent. Or, perhaps, fraudulent. There is no middle ground here.’

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Bob Cook wrote: Adrian-- > > I think it is a simple as Rossi using his skill (art not IP) at operation > and tuning the proper conditions which is not part of the IP he agreed to > transfer. IH technicians have not learned the art yet . . . No, it is much simpler than

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How do you know that this trial will be a jury trial? Reference? On Sat, May 14, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Bob Cook wrote: > > > Axil-- > > Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments > on either side and decides if they are appropriate. The Jury

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Axil-- Rossi has asked for a jury trial. The judge only listens to the arguments on either side and decides if they are appropriate. The Jury will decide whether or not the intent of the agreement was met. I would agree the wording will be important to the decision of the Jury. I am not

[Vo]:Re: LENR and the feline nature of the E-Cat

Adrian-- I think it is a simple as Rossi using his skill (art not IP) at operation and tuning the proper conditions which is not part of the IP he agreed to transfer. IH technicians have not learned the art yet, and, as others not proficient in the art of operating a E-Cat, are not able to