RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Jones Beene
Final note: Mizuno saw 108 MJ of gain over 30 days at COP of 1.9 - his net output was about 8 MJ per day, on average. For Roulette et al, the next best result in the history of deuterium LENR, there was 294 MJ is net output over 152 days at COP of 1.5, or about 2 MJ

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Axil Axil
The LENR reaction always happens in a plasma that has been produced by electrical discharge, but when water is present, the plasma is quenched and it cools quickly. This removes the SPP solition before it can properly develop to the proper strength. On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jones Beene

RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Jones Beene
To clear up one detail, there is a looming question: “why is this Mizuno device not a more sophisticated version of the Farnsworth Fusor?” It can be acknowledged that there are similarities. The Fusor is a deuterium plasma device which can employ nickel as the electrode (tungsten is usually

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Since Yoshino did include slides showing the neutron cross-section of Ni58, the implication is that neutrons have been seen. I think the slides showing the neutron-cross section were hinting at the class of

RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Jones Beene
Two things. Deuterium stripping – if that is one of the operative gain mechanisms would still release lots of neutrons to be detected external to the reactor. Notice that the nickel cross-section for neutrons is basically rather low. Secondly, however, the Mizuno reaction releases

RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Jones Beene
Slide 47 shows a significant difference. Seems fairly well coordinated, actually, since there was stable gas quantity with no heat, and the excess heat came with excess hydrogen. Which slide shows no correlation ?? From: Eric Walker Note that the change in species does not

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Two things. Deuterium stripping – if that is one of the operative gain mechanisms would still release lots of neutrons to be detected external to the reactor. Notice that the nickel cross-section for neutrons is basically

RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker Jones Beene wrote: Two things. Deuterium stripping – if that is one of the operative gain mechanisms would still release lots of neutrons to be detected external to the reactor. Notice that the nickel cross-section for neutrons is

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Maybe it is, as the slides have a purpose - but I doubt that it can be the end-of-story, because even if it is true and the other four ways to disintegrate the deuteron are absent, O-P does not explain the doubling of gas

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Eric Walker
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 10:18 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Slide 47 shows a significant difference. A qualitative increase is seen in M/e=2 species in both the excess heat run and the control on both slides 46 and 47. We only have two trials, so we don't have a sense of what the

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-04 Thread Axil Axil
*However, I will declare a possibility: continued research into PdD *will* resolve the mystery of cold fusion. It could happen accidentally at almost any time, some researcher could stumble across evidence that leads to the solution.* The neutron is transmuted into a proton by pions that are

[Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Jones Beene
Apparently, many of the observers of LENR, especially among those who did not attend, are unwilling to give due credit to the paradigm shift which happened earlier this year at the MIT colloquium - in the Clean-Planet presentation of Yoshino, based on Mizuno's work. This is arguably the most

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: What is the next highest energy output for a single run (using deuterium, not hydrogen) to compare against this 100 megajoules? My suspicion is that it is at least 500% lower. As far as I know, the record for Pd-D is 294 MJ, Roulette et al.:

RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Jed Rothwell As far as I know, the record for Pd-D is 294 MJ, Roulette et al.: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/RouletteTresultsofi.pdf Good information to contrast here, Jed. Roulette was basically seven excellent experiments, of low power input, of which 5 failed with little

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: 1) Deuterium does not convert into helium Never since the advent of Bacon and the scientific method did a single experiment or set of experiments overturn a whole body of previous *experimental* results. When there's a

RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Jones Beene
Final note: To compare apples to apples, Mizuno saw 108 MJ of gain over 30 days at COP of 1.8 so the net energy was about 240 MJ, or about 8 per day, on average. For Roulette, the 294 MJ is net energy over 152 days at COP of 1.5, or about 2 MJ per day. Therefore, the Mizuno experiment

RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Eric Walker 1) Deuterium does not convert into helium Never since the advent of Bacon and the scientific method did a single experiment or set of experiments overturn a whole body of previous experimental results. Wait a minute, Eric. That is not what is being

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Bob Higgins
I have a few observations that are not being discussed here (and I may be missing something) from the slides from the MIT Colloquium. - *The report for the control experiment with no excess heat also showed the decline of the M/e=4 species and rise of the M/e=2 3 species*. The two

RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins I have a few observations that are not being discussed here (and I may be missing something) from the slides from the MIT Colloquium. * The report for the control experiment with no excess heat also showed the decline of the M/e=4 species and rise of the M/e=2 3

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, Your explanation below seems really a stretch, but it certainly is a mystery. The quadrapole mass spec RGA will have a front end ionizer to extract an ionized sample for measurement. I think this front end is likely to only extract positive ions and there will be no f/D+ because there is

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Eric Walker
On Sat, Aug 2, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com wrote: I have a few observations that are not being discussed here (and I may be missing something) from the slides from the MIT Colloquium. - *The report for the control experiment with no excess heat also showed the

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote: Mizuno/Yoshino was basically a 75 watt gain experiment that saw gain from start to end, and ended after 30 days due to fuel depletion. I doubt the fuel was depleted. I realize you say the mass 4 species are gone, but that does not mean they are used up

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Axil Axil
IMHO, the transmutation of D into H is a minor endothermic side reaction that uses energy from the primary nickel hydrogen reaction which is gainful on the average. Hydrogen serves as a plasmonic dielectric and is not always the primary source involved in the production of energy. On Sat, Aug

RE: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Jones Beene
From: Bob Higgins The quadrapole mass spec RGA will have a front end ionizer to extract an ionized sample for measurement. I think this front end is likely to only extract positive ions and there will be no f/D+ because there is no such thing. AFAIK - Mass specs can be run in

Re: [Vo]:Yoshino @ MIT

2014-08-02 Thread Bob Higgins
Jones, From what I have read, you are correct that some QMS RGA instruments can read negative ions (such as potentially f/D-), but it must have a dual mode ionizer front end. In normal mode the ionizer has fast electrons that will not produce significant negative ions, and in fact the high speed