Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-16 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/10/16 Terry Blanton : > They must be reading our posts where we express concerns about AR's > demonstration and potential disaster. > Indeed, I would not be surprised, if Vortex was the primary source for Defkalion's technical knowledge. This is not the first time when I get weird déjà vu when

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-16 Thread Terry Blanton
Later, in the same thread: Defkalion GT Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 10:30 am Joined: Fri Jun 24, 2011 6:56 am Posts: 153 spat wrote: Will Defkalion disclose the theory? Defkalion scope and objective is to bring to the market safe, reliable and stable Hyperion products, handling all us

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-16 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Jed Rothwell wrote: > Jouni Valkonen wrote: >> >> Rossi talked on his own technology. not about Defkalion's, >> because he did not have any intimate knowledge what >> was doing. > > He was there at the press conference where they > said that they had been working closely with him for a year. Th

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: > Rossi talked on his own technology. not about Defkalion's, because he did > not have any intimate knowledge what Defkalion was doing. He was there at the press conference where they said that they had been working closely with him for a year. They said they had the tech

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
> Jouni Valkonen wrote: >> From Rossi and Stremmenos. > Jed Rothwell wrote: > I do not believe Rossi's statements about this for two reasons, which I > think are compelling: > 1. After he said this the first time, he soon retracted. He said that his > dispute is about business and not technology.

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Terry Blanton
Rich, you are so naive. Do you honestly think that a technology of this type could come this close to commercialization and not be within the awareness of DARPA? Why do you think that AR, et.al. continuously explain that their rights exclude military applications? LENR has been suppressed until

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Rich Murray
Anyone agree that immediate disclosure of any nuclear reaction breakthroughs has to be detailed and worldwide, if the possible hazards of weapons applications are to be publicly and thoroughly assessed for the safety and good of all? Even if no explosions may be possible, we also have to consider

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: > >> And you really believe what Defkalion representatives says? There is > nothing for Dekalion, but it coulisse. There are no personals employed and > they do not have infrastructure and research and they do not posses any > money. > > > > Where did you get this informati

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
Being nice is the usual behavior of any company with decent public relations. 2011/10/15 > In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:30:34 -0300: > Hi, > [snip] > >Who said they need the catalyst? > > I think the fact that they are still being nice to Rossi implies that they > n

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:30:34 -0300: Hi, [snip] >Who said they need the catalyst? I think the fact that they are still being nice to Rossi implies that they need something. Regards, Robin van Spaandonk http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
Who said they need the catalyst? 2011/10/15 > In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:15:43 -0300: > Hi, > [snip] > >That's what I understand by reading this... "Even though, we intend to > >support papers with results supported by the measurements from *new > >instruments **w

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:15:43 -0300: Hi, [snip] >That's what I understand by reading this... "Even though, we intend to >support papers with results supported by the measurements from *new >instruments **we had to develop in order to control* and further develop t

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2011 18:12:40 -0300: Hi, [snip] >According to Rossi, Nickel transmutes to Copper and it decays to Nickel >again by beta decay, so there is neutrino emission. This assumes that Rossi et al actually do know which reactions are taking place. > >2011

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
That's what I understand by reading this... "Even though, we intend to support papers with results supported by the measurements from *new instruments **we had to develop in order to control* and further develop the technologies embedded in our products" 2011/10/15 > In reply to Daniel Rocha's

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
According to Rossi, Nickel transmutes to Copper and it decays to Nickel again by beta decay, so there is neutrino emission. 2011/10/15 > In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:37:53 -0300: > Hi, > [snip] > >It is extremely easy to prove within a few seconds that any of these

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
lauantai, 15. lokakuuta 2011 Jed Rothwell kirjoitti: > Jouni Valkonen wrote: > >> >> And you really believe what Defkalion representatives says? There is nothing for Dekalion, but it coulisse. There are no personals employed and they do not have infrastructure and research and they do not posses

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2011 13:16:30 -0300: Hi, [snip] >The best part here it is that they indeed confirm that Rossi is lying about >they not having the necessary know-how to make the core WOW! > >2011/10/15 Terry Blanton > >> http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/v

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread mixent
In reply to Daniel Rocha's message of Sat, 15 Oct 2011 15:37:53 -0300: Hi, [snip] >It is extremely easy to prove within a few seconds that any of these devices >work, without any kind of calorimetry, water heat or steam. Take it to the >neutrino detector in Gran Sasso, Italy. The neutrino emission

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen wrote: > And you really believe what Defkalion representatives says? There is > nothing for Dekalion, but it coulisse. There are no personals employed and > they do not have infrastructure and research and they do not posses any > money. Where did you get this information? - Je

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
It is extremely easy to prove within a few seconds that any of these devices work, without any kind of calorimetry, water heat or steam. Take it to the neutrino detector in Gran Sasso, Italy. The neutrino emission of Hyperion and Ecats must be extremely high, so there will be certainly a strong sig

RE: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Mr. Murray sez: > Defkalion spokesman seems defensive, offering hot air... "Defensive"? "Hot air"? Rich, you did read the original author's, Gaby de Wilde's, statement, didn't you? Seems to me that DGT had every right to take exception to Gaby's brief statement claiming that LENR is a field tha

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
I would add to that, that Defkalion did not even see a private demonstration with Rossi, expect those made with Stremmenos. That is because price tag for private demonstration is if I recall $45M. This much cash Rossi wants to see before he allows private demonstration. This is to make sure that hi

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Daniel Rocha wrote: > The best part here it is that they indeed confirm > that Rossi is lying about they not having the > necessary know-how to make the core WOW! And you really believe what Defkalion representatives says? There is nothing for Dekalion, but it coulisse. There are no personals

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Terry Blanton
I think they will stick with their November 2011 date. T

RE: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
DGT sez: ... > Even though, we intend to support papers with results supported by > the measurements from new instruments we had to develop in order to > control and further develop the technologies embedded in our products, > in peer-reviewed magazines and during the first LENR Industrialization

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Rich Murray
Defkalion spokesman seems defensive, offering hot air... If true, the anomalies must be made available to the world immediately, as any breakthrough in nuclear physics is a world security issue...

Re: [Vo]:DGT Understands LENR

2011-10-15 Thread Daniel Rocha
The best part here it is that they indeed confirm that Rossi is lying about they not having the necessary know-how to make the core WOW! 2011/10/15 Terry Blanton > http://www.defkalion-energy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=3407#p3407 > > > > Defkalion GT > Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:04 am > > J