Aggravated is a good term. They had me down in the Motorola deal for a 6
figure salary plus a car.
But then if Jim could not reproduce the beads from scratch then it is likely
best that the deal was not done.
D2
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 23:53:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion
DJ Cravens wrote:
Jim P. Yes, that was sad. ( I actually thought the number was $30 M from
> Motorola and $20M from State water heaters ).
>
Was it that much? What a nightmare. I just remember hearing $20 million and
feeling SO AGGRAVATED. Yet another lost opportunity for cold fusion. Oy veh.
22:44:24 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
DJ Cravens wrote:
"Voice input and typos are fact of life for me."
Perhaps you should read and edit your material before you hit send.
"You do not enough
DJ Cravens wrote:
"Voice input and typos are fact of life for me."
> Perhaps you should read and edit your material before you hit send.
>
> "You do not enough resources" (sic)
>
Meant: You do not HAVE enough resources.
Have telegraphic style. Often drop words. Not voice input's faul
you claim,
then do it. Many people claim they have rich friends and can do such things
but they don't and it is all just talk. If You do not then this conversation
is a waste.
D2
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 21:57:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...
From: jedrothw...@g
DJ Cravens wrote:
>
> I disagree that only an engineer can understand a CF demo.
>
A scientists or an engineer. Ordinary people cannot. I have a lot of
dealing with ordinary people. They are not stupid, but this stuff is harder
than you realize. You have been dealing with it for so long it seems
ave secretaries/grad students, have mega buck rich friends ...
Walk in another's moccasins before you condemn.
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 19:01:03 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
DJ Cravens wrote:
I personally
Yeah, give them a call. Let us know how they respond.
On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Daniel Rocha wrote:
> Why don't you call them?
>
>
> 2013/7/10 Alain Sepeda
>
>>
>> It they call me, I will accept to sign any honest NDA. I can design an
>> honest protocol to rule out fraud, but I know th
They don't need it. Trust me.
Google translator for Japanese gives "Electron scanning microscope".
2013/7/10 Jed Rothwell
>
>>
> That is true, but they make themselves look bad when they present frothy
> advertisements at ICC17. It is embarrassing to watch. It is unprofessional.
>
> - Jed
>
>
Why don't you call them?
2013/7/10 Alain Sepeda
>
> It they call me, I will accept to sign any honest NDA. I can design an
> honest protocol to rule out fraud, but I know that my voice will convince
> nobody who is not already convinced.
>
>
--
Daniel Rocha - RJ
danieldi...@gmail.com
DJ Cravens wrote:
> I personally think that we need the public on our side and that means
> taking demos and information to a new audience. But I guess it depends on
> your desired outcome. If you just think of money then you may take a
> different tactic than if you are just after public awa
Daniel Rocha wrote:
They have no need to demonstrate anything openly to anyone. Including any
> random people from this list.
>
That is true, but they make themselves look bad when they present frothy
advertisements at ICC17. It is embarrassing to watch. It is unprofessional.
If they do not wan
Alain Sepeda wrote:
I would love it, but it seems no evidence can convince the mainstream...
>
True, but we do not need to convince the mainstream. As I pointed out at
ICCF17, we have many friends. We need to convince them first, and work our
way up toward the mainstream:
http://lenr-canr.org/a
26 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...
From: janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Maybe DGT is trying to perfect a common man type of demo, to advance the
evaluation of their product above the outrages slings and arrows of the
experts.
In politics, the power of unrelenting repetition is undeniable. For
example, the business community has been repeating the meme that having
your wages reduced to below the poverty level is good both for you as well
as the country.
Through the weight of this unending reputation over the decade’s
I would love it, but it seems no evidence can convince the mainstream...
Making a solid test protocol is hopeless. It can convince you, but
convincing you have no value for the mainstream MY mind.
Nothing can, simply nothing else commercialization.
I imagine they do demonstration just to be poli
*“Ask yourself: What are they doing now? What, exactly, is the benefit of
having unknown outsiders publish fluff such as "on the order of 600°C"? On
the order of! They don't have a thermocouple? That's ridiculous. It is
unprofessional. It sounds like someone describing a fashion show in the
Huffing
They have no need to demonstrate anything openly to anyone. Including any
random people from this list.
2013/7/10 Jed Rothwell
>
> No one is asking them to do that, least of all me. I say they should
> describe the calorimetry that supports their claims. They can make this a
> black-box presenta
blaze spinnaker wrote:
> Perhap's it is your overt negativity towards them?
>
The role of temporal order in causality negates that hypothesis.
- Jed
>
>
>
>
>> They seem open to that sort of thing as far as I can tell.
>>
>
> No, they are not. Not open to me, anyway.
>
> I am not going to speculate about why or wherefore.
>
> - Jed
>
>
Perhap's it is your overt negativity towards them?
Professor Kim seemed confident they have a breakthrough.
wrote:
Well, I think the issue is that a third party has not proposed coming in
> and doing a black box test.
>
That is incorrect.
> They seem open to that sort of thing as far as I can tell.
>
No, they are not. Not open to me, anyway.
I am not going to speculate about why or wherefore.
-
Well, I think the issue is that a third party has not proposed coming in and
doing a black box test. They seem open to that sort of thing as far as I can
tell.
They may also be concerned about being accused of being frauds. Perhaps the
data they have is so unbelievable, they know they will be
Daniel Rocha wrote:
Sign an NDA, visit them and stop complaining!
>
1. They have not invited me.
2. I never sign NDAs. I do not want to hear any secrets.
An NDA covering everything would defeat the whole purpose of the visit.
When I go to a laboratory, my purpose is to learn the facts and to r
DJ Cravens wrote:
> Not everything is intended for science.
>
This kind of presentation is only good for fluffy public relations.
> I see no reason that Defkalion should be assumed to be required to
> display the science behind their inventions.
>
No one is asking them to do that, least o
yes, if you want data - go there and take it.
Dennis
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 11:34:19 -0300
Subject: Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...
From: danieldi...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sign an NDA, visit them and stop complaining!
2013/7/10 Jed Rothwell
reaction is quite
that you do not know about. Yes, it is great when science is
shared but it can still be science and engineering without that.
Dennis
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:27:10 -0400
Subject: Re: [Vo]:News about Defkalion Europe...
From: jedrothw...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Frederic Gila
Sign an NDA, visit them and stop complaining!
2013/7/10 Jed Rothwell
> reaction is quite mastered (about 20 to 30 minutes after start). . . .
>>
> What is it with the people who visit Defkalion?!? They don't have
> wristwatches? They don't carry pens or a pad of paper?!? "About 20 to 30
> minut
You are exactly right. DGT have presented ZERO data. Every detail is
anecdotal and probably non-existent.
Not only that their reported progress depends on trusting a company which
admittedly stole the underlying technology. According to their own CEO,
Defkalion acquired their process by way
Frederic Gilardone is quoted:
> Currently, the temperatures obtained are of the order of 600 ° C in the
> secondary circuit through the use of appropriate thermal fluids.
> The reactor can be activated and deactivated in a short period of time and
> the reaction is quite mastered (about 20 to 30
>From the french words
http://www.agoravox.fr/actualites/technologies/article/fusion-froide-lenr-resume-pour-130995?pn=1000#forum3769829
It is probably not an official title "Conseiller du Commerce Extérieur",
but a consultant job, if not lobbying.
Hard to translate, especially because I don't kno
"Frederic Gilardone" "foreign trade" : lots of legitimate hits
Frederic GILARDONE, MILANO, Bankwesen, Versicherungen, Energiewirtschaft, ...
Councilman (Foreign trade) at the French Embassy in Rome.
...
Frederic Gilardone. GEB-SOLUTIONS, Country Manager ... Junior export manager,
Italian Insti
> From: "blaze spinnaker"
> Sent: Tuesday, July 9, 2013 3:00:43 PM
> I gotta jet, but Frederic Gilardone "trade minister" isn't showing
> anything in Google.
Foreign Trade Advisor
Could be any kind of speculator/punter.
I gotta jet, but Frederic Gilardone "trade minister" isn't showing
anything in Google.
If we can establish him as a real and independent person with a track
record, this could be pretty exciting news.
On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 2:35 PM, Alain Sepeda wrote:
>
> For Your information...
>
>
> http:/
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