Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces

On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Axil Axil wrote: > > What the Rossi experiments has shown over many years is that LENR in a lattice is not workable because the reaction cannot be controlled. This lack of control makes the E-Cat technology untenable. Rossi has realized this and Rossi is will to let

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On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Kevin O'Malley wrote: > > There is one conclusion that can be drawn. Rossi submitted all kinds of information to the court docket, under oath. The claim against him was fraud. > > The legal burden of proof in a civil case is "preponderance of the evidence". IH

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Looks like Rossi has gotten over the trial quickly. 1. JPR July 8, 2017 at 7:00 AM Update? 2. Andrea Rossi July 8, 2017 at 2:55 PM

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See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton_decay >> >> Holmlid has discovered experimentally that protons will decay no matter >> what science thinks now. >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 1:59 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com < >> bobcook39...@hotmail.co

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protons will decay no matter > what science thinks now. > > > > On Sat, Jul 8, 2017 at 1:59 AM, bobcook39...@hotmail.com < > bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?Lin

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, bobcook39...@hotmail.com < bobcook39...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Axil Axil > *Sent: *Friday, July 7, 2017 11:24 AM > *To: *vortex-l > *Subjec

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Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: Axil Axil<mailto:janap...@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 11:24 AM To: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces Axil— Most of your answers I do not

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What about the $10 million payment, what about the Lugano test and the IH patent that IH produced using Lugano as proof of function. https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2015127263&recNum=1&maxRec=&office=&prevFilter=&sortOption=&queryString=&tab=PCTDescription Inventors are

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Axil Axil wrote: I consider transmutation as a LENR success. Excess heat is a low order effect. No problem with that and certainly no problem with Kevin's advocacy for looking primarily for radiation effects. In fact, radiation without large transmutation is the best of all worlds, so long

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> The Swedes have arguably lost as much as Rossi in having ruined careers > over their mistakes at Lugano. Yet, even now they have the incentive, skill > and the resources to replicate, but have failed to do so. > How is it that scientists should ruin entire careers, simply over having been wrong

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There is one conclusion that can be drawn. Rossi submitted all kinds of information to the court docket, under oath. The claim against him was fraud. The legal burden of proof in a civil case is "preponderance of the evidence". IH obviously couldn't even meet that level of proof. The legal b

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I consider transmutation as a LENR success. Excess heat is a low order effect. Even Ken Shoulders got transmutation results using EVO interactions with hydrogen loaded palladium. Most of the energy produced in LENR goes into the production of subatomic particles. On Fri, Jul 7, 2017 at 6:18 PM, Jo

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Jed Rothwell wrote Axil: There are multiple third party validations No, there are not. Every one of them that I know about in detail was a failure. There were a few initial claims of replications but they were either retracted or proven wrong. The most recent one was the MFMP attemp

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On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 7:30 PM, Adrian Ashfield wrote: > > According to Abd... "All claims dropped on both sides. It is as if the > suit was never filed. > > The IP and license are not mentioned. As Rossi was apparently pleased I > deduce something has changed in the ownership of the IP or the mu

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Axil Axil wrote: There are multiple third party validations. > No, there are not. Every one of them that I know about in detail was a failure. There were a few initial claims of replications but they were either retracted or proven wrong. The most recent one was the MFMP attempt to confirm heat

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Look at the bright side people. Now that the trial is over, the Rossi will come with his new products with full force!!! IH will also push people into the show with full force!!! I think that both IH and Rossi are staging a circus and dragging people into the show and taking money from investors.

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LENR poison which may dampen the LENR reaction, however. IMHO, Ken Shoulders has produced SPPs via nanoparticle generation via spark discharge. Shoulders thought these solitons (EVO) where electron vortexes but they are really polariton vortices. > *From: *Axil Axil > *Sent: *Friday, Jul

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: vortex-l<mailto:vortex-l@eskimo.com> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Picking up the pieces There are multiple third party validations. Rossi's methods and approach have been verified in part by his many replicators. This is not to say that Rossi's reactor or any LENR reactor for that matter can be c

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There are multiple third party validations. Rossi's methods and approach have been verified in part by his many replicators. This is not to say that Rossi's reactor or any LENR reactor for that matter can be commercialized due to heavy subatomic particle emissions. This includes R. Mills and the S

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from recent data, taking any conclusion on Rossi's claims is at best risky, and to be honest, baseless. 2017-07-07 3:01 GMT+02:00 Axil Axil : > What the Rossi experiments has shown over many years is that LENR in a > lattice is not workable because the reaction cannot be controlled. This > lack o

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What the Rossi experiments has shown over many years is that LENR in a lattice is not workable because the reaction cannot be controlled. This lack of control makes the E-Cat technology untenable. Rossi has realized this and Rossi is will to let this knowhow fadeaway. The LENR reaction wants to ope

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Abd was speculating just like the rest of us. The most probable outcome was Status Quo Ante Bellum, but Rossi was focused on getting his IP back. So he probably did so, since IH supposedly considered it worthless. That's kind of weird how one side considers something worthless while the other sid

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According to Abd... "All claims dropped on both sides. It is as if the suit was never filed. The IP and license are not mentioned. As Rossi was apparently pleased I deduce something has changed in the ownership of the IP or the multi country license. As IH claimed the above were valueless