On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Harry
In stars deuterons formation begins with the fusion of two protons
into a diproton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain_reaction
Since the diproton is very unstable it usually fissions soon
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From: mix...@bigpond.com
Actually The neutron has mass slightly larger than that of a proton:
939.565378 MeV compared to 938.272046 MeV. Consequently, a deuteron has
slightly more mass than a diproton.
That is one of the many reasons why the reaction on the Sun, the
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:38:34 -0700:
Hi Jones,Terry,
I'll respond to both posts at the same time.
[snip]
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From: mix...@bigpond.com
Actually The neutron has mass slightly larger than that of a proton:
939.565378 MeV compared to
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 25 Apr 2013 06:38:34 -0700:
Hi,
I wrote:
I don't see how physicists could possibly measure the ratio of beta+ to
electron capture reactions occurring in the core of the Sun anyway (see e.g.
Hi Robin,
Well I am including the mass-energy of the positron and the neutrino, which
are emitted - added to the mass of the deuteron to suggest that all of these
weigh considerably more than two protons. Therefore outside energy
(momentum) would have to be employed, even though real energy is
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 25 Apr 2013 17:36:50 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Hi Robin,
Well I am including the mass-energy of the positron and the neutrino, which
are emitted - added to the mass of the deuteron to suggest that all of these
weigh considerably more than two protons. Therefore
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 5:45 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:28:00 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
If a neutron can be made decay while in a deuteron then it seems to me
the warming of the lattice is best explained
by the motion arising from the
In stars deuterons formation begins with the fusion of two protons
into a diproton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain_reaction
Since the diproton is very unstable it usually fissions soon after by
emitting a positron and a neutrino.
Darn, I forgot to correct that.
Harry
In stars deuterons formation begins with the fusion of two protons
into a diproton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain_reaction
Since the diproton is very unstable it usually fissions soon after by
emitting a positron and a neutrino.
This is not accurate. The
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Harry
In stars deuterons formation begins with the fusion of two protons
into a diproton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton%E2%80%93proton_chain_reaction
Since the diproton is very unstable it usually fissions soon
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Harry Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
In RPF, Reversible Proton Fusion - the two protons which are immediately
split from nascent He-2 are technically not the original two protons
Actually The neutron has mass slightly larger than that of a proton:
939.565378 MeV compared to 938.272046 MeV. Consequently, a deuteron has
slightly more mass than a diproton.
That is one of the many reasons why the reaction on the Sun, the one that
results in a deuteron is extraordinarily
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:07:24 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Actually The neutron has mass slightly larger than that of a proton:
939.565378 MeV compared to 938.272046 MeV. Consequently, a deuteron has
slightly more mass than a diproton.
That is one of the many reasons why
On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 12:07 AM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 24 Apr 2013 19:07:24 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Actually The neutron has mass slightly larger than that of a proton:
939.565378 MeV compared to 938.272046 MeV. Consequently, a deuteron has
slightly
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder
* Here is an idea related to the natural propensity for a diproton to
fission which you have previously mentionedSuppose a neutron within a
deuteron is converted
To use a chemical analogy Ni62 is inert. It is not prone to change
through fusion or fission.
Perhaps this is the ideal context for getting other nuclei to change.
harry
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 11:23 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Naïve metaphorical approach to Rossi's claim.
The penetration of the coulomb barrier by a neutron from the outside as per
WL does not guaranty a LENR reaction.
Many neutrons may need to be added to get some nuclear event to occur.
For example, Nickel-58 is the most abundant isotope of nickel, making up
68.077% of the natural abundance. Ni58
Harry,
If Rossi were the least bit credible, Ni-62 as an active ingredient would be
worth digging into deeper.
Most likely, this application itself is an elaborate tactic to keep
competitors at bay while another real patent application remains
unpublished. It seems very unlikely to me that Ni-62
Makes perfect sense. excess heat is being generated by the motion of the
particles involved, and becoming more tightly bound and higher forces to
create the new atoms would move everything more, yes no?
On Sun, Apr 21, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
On April 15th, an
Jones,
Rossi may be playing games with his patents and the particular isotope
may be inconsequential but your post has made me rethink the role of
the binding energy of the lattice nuclei.
Theoreticians have tended to fall into two camps.
Camp 1) Excess energy comes from the loaded nuclei so the
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 14:28:00 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
If a neutron can be made decay while in a deuteron then it seems to me
the warming of the lattice is best explained
by the motion arising from the mutual repulsion of the protons.
Thermalization of gammas is not
In reply to Harry Veeder's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:05:59 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
To use a chemical analogy Ni62 is inert. It is not prone to change
through fusion or fission.
Perhaps this is the ideal context for getting other nuclei to change.
harry
IMO Rossi only concentrates on 62Ni because
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Having said that - there does seem to be an inexpensive way to enrich nickel
in the heavier isotopes up to perhaps 5 times natural ratios, but it's not
worth mentioning.
And why is it not worth mentioning?
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 12:49:27 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
Having said that - there does seem to be an inexpensive way to enrich nickel
in the heavier isotopes up to perhaps 5 times natural ratios, but it's not
worth mentioning.
It might be worth considering if the natural
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:15:24 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The penetration of the coulomb barrier by a neutron from the outside as per
WL does not guaranty a LENR reaction.
Many neutrons may need to be added to get some nuclear event to occur.
For example, Nickel-58 is the
Nickel-59 is a long-lived cosmogenic radionuclide with a half-life of
76,000 years. Seems like a long time to wait.
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 6:22 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 15:15:24 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The penetration of the coulomb
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:46:53 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Nickel-59 is a long-lived cosmogenic radionuclide with a half-life of
76,000 years. Seems like a long time to wait.
No, that's a beta decay once it's in the ground state. The transition from the
excited state to the
thanks
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 10:03 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 21:46:53 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
Nickel-59 is a long-lived cosmogenic radionuclide with a half-life of
76,000 years. Seems like a long time to wait.
No, that's a beta decay
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 2:48 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
IMO Rossi only concentrates on 62Ni because there is more of it in natural
Ni
that 64Ni, and because fusion with a proton results in 63Cu which is
stable.
Since it produces a stable isotope he can then claim that his reactor
doesn't
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 3:22 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
58Ni + n = 59Ni + 9 MeV.
This results in a 59Ni nucleus in an excited state, and it soon loses the
9 MeV
of energy in the form of gamma radiation as it decays to the ground state.
I think you're addressing a specific point. It's
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 19:48:20 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
I think you're addressing a specific point. It's interesting to note that
unless there's a gamma thermalization mechanism, this kind of reaction will
both be deadly and will not result in much heat. I suspect it is
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
5) Consequently, it is highly unlikely that neutron capture is the energy
generating mechanism (if indeed there is one) in Rossi's device.
Can a similar argument be made for proton capture? I got the impression
somewhere that proton
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:25:05 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:19 PM, mix...@bigpond.com wrote:
5) Consequently, it is highly unlikely that neutron capture is the energy
generating mechanism (if indeed there is one) in Rossi's device.
Can a similar
In reply to Eric Walker's message of Tue, 23 Apr 2013 20:25:05 -0700:
Hi,
[snip]
I got the impression
somewhere that proton capture is fundamentally more benign than neutron
capture, both in the immediate effects and in any unstable daughters, but
this could be a misunderstanding.
Eric
You
Naïve metaphorical approach to Rossi's claim. Imagine a number of strong
springs subject to compressive loads. The strongest spring gives the fastest
return to normal geometry following compression, but it is always less than
a full 100% return.
What is the limiting factor on how close to 100%
On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
On April 15th, an update has been made to the Rossi patent application at
the European Patent Office - which was mentioned previously here.
https://register.epo.org/espacenet/application?documentId=EUIP5C400118284nu
-Original Message-
From: Harry Veeder
* Here is an idea related to the natural propensity for a diproton to
fission which you have previously mentionedSuppose a neutron within a
deuteron is converted into proton. The subsequent motion of the protons due
to mutual repulsion
If Rossi's invention works - and for the reason supplied in the application,
and if one wanted to apply standard logic to why the isotope with the
highest binding energy per nucleon of all known nuclides is responsible,
then perhaps one could pose the argument that: the one with the most - has
the
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