R C Macaulay wrote:
Thanks for bringing Sai Baba back to my attention, Ed. How foolish of
Money could not be a problem for a miracle worker, of course -- it
takes only the slightest ability to affect the laws of chance, or the
teeniest ability to predict the future, to allow one to amass
Thanks for bringing Sai Baba back to my attention, Ed. How foolish of
Money could not be a problem for a miracle worker, of course -- it
takes only the slightest ability to affect the laws of chance, or the
teeniest ability to predict the future, to allow one to amass as much
wealth as you
Let me answer your question, Richard. The issue was how does a person
evaluate reality. Of course, different kinds of or different levels of
reality exist. Therefore, different methods are required. Science uses
objective evaluation of observation in the material world. The question
was
Howdy Ed,
A very quality analysis of the direction taken in the thread. I always
understood Sai Baba to be a mystic but I can agree a mystic may not be
considered a mystic as long as his heart is pure and the gold is 24 karat..
Ole Balaam had this problem too, but God helped him out a little
the entire book) on-line.
Thanks, I ordered the book.
Ed
P.
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Thanks for pointing this out, Philip. I have not read of Richard
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PHILIP WINESTONE wrote:
Ed,
Yes - I know something of Sai Baba, the latest in a lineage of Sai
Babas. I also know a disciple who spent 25 years at his ashrama.
But Sai Baba
Edmund Storms wrote:
. Regardless of the difficulty in accepting the claims and
observations, when thousands of people keep experiencing the same
reproducible events, something real must be happening. I don't want
this to be a discussion of Sai Baba. Nevertheless, his existence
raises some
thomas malloy wrote:
Edmund Storms wrote:
. Regardless of the difficulty in accepting the claims and
observations, when thousands of people keep experiencing the same
reproducible events, something real must be happening. I don't want
this to be a discussion of Sai Baba. Nevertheless, his
Thanks for bringing Sai Baba back to my attention, Ed. How foolish of
me to have temporarily forgotten him.
Isn't it interesting that someone with his unique perception on
reality, combined with his ability to manipulate reality (seemingly
the fundamental laws of physics) as Sai does remains, for
OrionWorks wrote:
Thanks for bringing Sai Baba back to my attention, Ed. How foolish of
me to have temporarily forgotten him.
Isn't it interesting that someone with his unique perception on
reality, combined with his ability to manipulate reality (seemingly
the fundamental laws of physics) as
Hi Stephen,
I'm sorry, but I have to ask this... If he can work miracles,
and if he's here to fix up the mess in any way shape or form,
what's he actually doing to fix things up?
No apologies are necessary. ;-)
IMO: I suspect the phrase fix up the mess is being taken out of context.
Please
alternatively... God created us to fix his mistakes.
[Sometimeschildren do end up fixing their parents
mistakes] ;-)
Harry
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Date: Thursday, June 5, 2008 5:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention
Hi Stephen,I'm sorry
Ed,
I wonder if you've ever heard of a man they called the Backwoods Buddha...
Look him up on the 'Net if you're interested...
P.
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Harry sez:
alternatively... God created us to fix his mistakes.
[Sometimes children do end up fixing their parents
mistakes] ;-)
Harry
LOL!
Metaphorically speaking: Even G_d is surprised at what is occasionally
manifested.
Whoa! You did what
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
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Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:
OrionWorks wrote:
Thanks for bringing Sai Baba back to my attention, Ed. How foolish
: Thursday, June 5, 2008 9:23:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention
Thanks for pointing this out, Philip. I have not read of Richard Rose,
but I know of many other people who have acquired extraordinary insight.
In addition, some people have also been able to master some of the
abilities
Howdy Ed,
This thread is becoming most interesting because it deals with a voyage
toward a science of ideas where, once embarked upon that sea, there can be
no return. Our decision then becomes that of selecting the posture one
takes in the boat,
As the human species of flesh on an earth,
Edmund Storms wrote:
To get back to science, a lot of scientific study has been done to
reveal the existence of this ability. The results of this work, at least
to me, show that thought transfer is real. But like all such claims,
this belief is rejected by conventional science. My question
Edmund Storms wrote:
Interesting logic, Stephen. Let's explore another possibility. Suppose
thought transfer is common in animals that do not have a complex
language. One might use schooling fish as an example or perhaps a flock
of birds. While other explanations can be suggested for the
R C Macaulay wrote:
Howdy Ed,
This thread is becoming most interesting because it deals with a voyage
toward a science of ideas where, once embarked upon that sea, there can
be no return. Our decision then becomes that of selecting the posture
one takes in the boat,
I agree partially
Wow! There's been a LOT said on this subject. Jones! What a Chicken
Heart monster you unleashed on New York City! ;-)
Let me add yet a few more pennies to the on-going fertile discussion
of alleged mind-transference - is it real or is it Memorex.
First, two personal experiences:
(Experience
Thanks -- that's a very nifty pair of anecdotes.
As one of our favorite demons once said, The plural of anecdote is
data (from the collected aphorisms of Bob Park).
They have a big advantage over the theophanies which are commonly
experienced (and which are one of the primary engines which
--- Edmund Storms wrote:
study the life and teachings of Sai Baba
These details do not do justice to the man:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirdi_Sai_Baba_movement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirdi_Sai_Baba
A lazy-boy-lab experiment for the spiritually
inclined, or even the spiritually
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:46 AM, OrionWorks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
FWIW: I actually briefly talked about this personal impression
within Vortex several months ago, so those who are curious you can
probably find my ramblings in the archives. I believe Terry Blanton
contributed a brief reply.
This reminds me of Cleve Baxter his polygraph machine that he wired up to
plants, cell cultures etc. found remote reactions to human thoughts deeds.
In one experiment he would grow a culture form an person and have that person
go miles away poke himself with a pin he would get a reaction
Terry sez (most eloquently):
FWIW: I actually briefly talked about this personal
impression within Vortex several months ago, so those
who are curious you can probably find my ramblings in the
archives. I believe Terry Blanton contributed a brief
reply. As for me I'm just not motivated
Jones, Ed, and Richard ponder one of the Big Mysteries pertaining to
our Existence:
...
Specifically from Jones:
Is it possible to stimulate actual
scientific advancement through mere
intent? Can we even rid ourself from oil
addiction this way? ... or is the
time horizon too extended for
OrionWorks wrote:
There's a popular NewAge saying which proclaims that we create our own
reality. I suspect most who ponder the ramifications of the NA phrase
take the meaning metaphorically, perhaps in the same vein as reading
certain passages from the bible, particularly Genesis. Others are
--- Ed,
I am not suggesting that intent is ever necessary or
required for scientific advancement. After all, we can
point to many anecdotes in the history of science
where a great advance was either random or accidental.
In fact seeming randomness serves to disguise the
proportion of cases where
From Stephen Lawrence
...
The Practice Effect explores a cute variation on it;
can't recall the author.
David Brin is the author. (His series of novels on the Uplifting of
species are particularly noteworthy.)
In that universe which Brin created the more you worked ON a
particular thing (or
Here on this island, there is this wonderful black box...
R.
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From: Stephen A. Lawrence [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:28 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:The Science of Intention
snip
It's an easy proof that in an infinite
At the risk of replowing the same field, of course intention and belief
play a role at some level. For example, people can never win at the
slots unless they have sufficient belief to actually put the coin into
the machine and push the button. If the expected belief is not
fulfilled, the
FWIW - and to rescue the subject of intent from the
more obscure realms of SciFi and try to shine some
light onto its deeper hidden meaning, consider the
film noir: Dark City ...
...which Roger Ebert calls one of the greatest films
of all time. He even taught a University film school
class on
Howdy Ed,
By asking for a return to science, this theme, begun by Jones is beginning
to reach a level of scientific inquiry, fitting of Vorts.
Solomon expressed his opinion that time and chance happens to us all. This
profound wisdom does not escape Jones in his musings.
There can be an
Jones, Ed and Richard continue to transfuse stimulating thoughts into
this delightful subject called MAYA - sometimes interpreted as
reality. It comes as a nice tangential distraction from recent BLP
speculation. Oh, what a relief it is!
I'd like to contribute additional fertilizer to a thought
You raise an interesting point, Richard, by this example. People need
encourage to believe they can do things that need to be done but are
threatening or hard. Stories like David and Goliath, whether it is true
or not, provide this encouragement. Missing, of course are the stories
of the more
You are right, Steven, if belief were only required, the reality we find
ourselves in would not work and it would not survive long enough for us
to debate the issue. I suppose we could conclude that the Darwin process
has eliminated this possibility. If this is true, then this process
would
Howdy Ed,
Is is possible to engage in a discussion of ideas without veering off into
religion? Yes! perhaps, among Vorts which make for such an interesting
group.
Religions have perplexed me because I cannot understand why so many
reasonably educated people cannot get past religion and
Hi Richard,
I used religion as an example of my point because you used a metaphor
based on religion in your example. I agree with you, the organized
religions are nothing but power structures that are used to control
behavior, which is needed of course. However, they offer very little
From Edmund Storms:
Of course, there is another possibility that can be confused with
getting something when you want it bad enough. Suppose, certain people
are able to obtain information by mental telepathy. This ability would
give them an advantage in getting their way that could be
OrionWorks wrote:
From Edmund Storms:
Of course, there is another possibility that can be confused with
getting something when you want it bad enough. Suppose, certain people
are able to obtain information by mental telepathy. This ability would
give them an advantage in getting their way
Edmund Storms wrote:
You are right, Steven, if belief were only required, the reality we find
ourselves in would not work and it would not survive long enough for us
to debate the issue. I suppose we could conclude that the Darwin process
has eliminated this possibility. If this is true,
Interesting logic, Stephen. Let's explore another possibility. Suppose
thought transfer is common in animals that do not have a complex
language. One might use schooling fish as an example or perhaps a flock
of birds. While other explanations can be suggested for the observed
behavior, thought
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