Re: [Vo]:CERN clocks subatomic particles traveling faster than light

2011-09-26 Thread Dr Josef Karthauser
On 23 Sep 2011, at 20:46, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: On 11-09-23 03:30 PM, Dr Josef Karthauser wrote: From first principles if one starts with the notion that everyone should see light as travelling at the same speed, then a simple derivation naturally leads to the Lorenz contraction

Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Peter, that is just utterly untrue! In scientific steam experiments all that is required to measure is the steam pressure, because steam pressure correlates with the total enthalpy. Then it is needed only to calibrate this correlation e.g. with steam sparging tests. Clean, fast, unlimited,

Aw: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 26.09.2011 10:38 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry Peter, that is just utterly untrue! In scientific steam experiments all that is required to measure is the steam

Aw: Aw: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: peter.heck...@arcor.de An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 26.09.2011 11:06 Betreff: Aw: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry For example they could give a upside down shape of an U to the hose and make it from transparent silicone. Put this arrangement

Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: But on the other hand, how many really knows why do we even cook food instead of eating raw food? Tastes better? Evolutionary, My dear Watson. Cooking food kills parasites and bacteria, a survival trait. T

Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/9/26 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: But on the other hand, how many really knows why do we even cook food instead of eating raw food? Tastes better? Evolutionary, My dear Watson.  Cooking food kills

Aw: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread peter . heckert
- Original Nachricht Von: Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Datum: 26.09.2011 14:56 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: But on the other hand, how many

Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/9/26 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: But on the other hand, how many really knows why do we even cook food instead of eating

Re: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 9:20 AM, peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Cooking cracks those cell membranes that the human digestion system cannot crack. It makes food digestible that otherwise is not digestible. It also transforms poisons in some vegetables an tubers expanding what may be

Re: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/9/26 peter.heck...@arcor.de: Von:     Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: But on the other hand, how many really knows why do we even cook food instead of eating raw food? Tastes better? Evolutionary,

Re: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: This increases the digestibility of of food by a lot. This is because the energetic cost of digestion will be reduced greatly, because we can come along with smaller gut and shorter chewing time, but also we can get much more energy from the food

Re: Re: [Vo]:Rossi steam calorimetry

2011-09-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Ah, I see that Terry has already posted a link to this book. Great minds think alike. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Steam Sparge

2011-09-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: First, let me say, despite the casual, inaccurate, and one data point nature of the method shown, it is far better than any calorimetry applied in Rossi public demos. I agree it is better for steam. It is the only reasonable way to measure a

Re: [Vo]:Steam Sparge

2011-09-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/9/26 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: I suggested that they combine this method with other methods because this only produces one data point per test. It only works when power is stable. So you need another method to be sure that it is stable. We need to hope that Brian Josephson

Re: [Vo]:Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner
The text quoted by Passerini was from a letter from Levi inviting Brian Josephson to participate and not Brian Josephson's own words. Best regards, Horace Heffner http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/ On Sep 25, 2011, at 2:32 PM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: Hello group, This got just posted on

[Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Mattia Rizzi
The text quoted by Passerini was from a letter from Levi inviting Brian Josephson to participate and not Brian Josephson's own words. If was Levi, then This is NOT an official test of the University of Bologna because the contract is not active yet. make sense. -Messaggio

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Right. Josephson says he has no intention of doing a test at present. This was a mixup. The text quoted by Passerini was from a letter from Levi inviting Brian Josephson to participate and not Brian Josephson's own words. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Steam Sparge

2011-09-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Yup, stirring is the problem. You need to stir vigorously with a stick or something like a Dremel tool with a paint mixer attached. (Like a giant eggbeater.) That is untrue, it is not a problem. It really does not need much efforts to stir

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-09-26 19:51, Jed Rothwell wrote: Right. Josephson says he has no intention of doing a test at present. This was a mixup. The odd thing (or maybe not?) is that Andrea Rossi didn't catch this inaccuracy. As I've written in my opening post, Passerini reportedly consulted with him before

Re: [Vo]:Steam Sparge

2011-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner
It is nice to see our views so closely aligned. My comments are mainly additive. On Sep 26, 2011, at 6:39 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: First, let me say, despite the casual, inaccurate, and one data point nature of the method shown, it is far

[Vo]:Will Robots Steal Your Job?

2011-09-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
See: http://www.slate.com/id/2304442/ This article references Martin Ford's Lights in the Tunnel which was discussed here. - Jed

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 26, 2011, at 10:02 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-09-26 19:51, Jed Rothwell wrote: Right. Josephson says he has no intention of doing a test at present. This was a mixup. The odd thing (or maybe not?) is that Andrea Rossi didn't catch this inaccuracy. As I've written in my

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-09-26 19:51, Jed Rothwell wrote: Right. Josephson says he has no intention of doing a test at present. This was a mixup. By his latest comments on that blog post, I see that Passerini acknowledges that there has been a mixup on this part. It was just an invitation that Josephson had

Re: [Vo]:Steam Sparge

2011-09-26 Thread Jed Rothwell
Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: It is nice to see our views so closely aligned. They are indeed. I think running the steam and water through a condensing heat exchanger works very well, provided *all* the flow and temperature variables are recorded very frequently - more

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Akira Shirakawa
On 2011-09-26 20:54, Horace Heffner wrote: Rossi states on the Passerini blog (translated by google): It seems appropriate to emphasize that [...] Quite a mixup! What is going on with NASA? Is that another mixup? The text you quoted (It seems appropriate [...] in a good 24 hours!) is from

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Peter Heckert
Am 26.09.2011 20:58, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-09-26 19:51, Jed Rothwell wrote: Right. Josephson says he has no intention of doing a test at present. This was a mixup. By his latest comments on that blog post, I see that Passerini acknowledges that there has been a mixup on this part.

Re: [Vo]:Steam Sparge

2011-09-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/9/26 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: Jouni Valkonen jounivalko...@gmail.com wrote: Yup, stirring is the problem. You need to stir vigorously with a stick or something like a Dremel tool with a paint mixer attached. (Like a giant eggbeater.) That is untrue, it is not a

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Terry Blanton
On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Peter Heckert peter.heck...@arcor.de wrote: Professor Bjoern Palm http://www.kth.se/en/itm/inst/energiteknik/Forskning/ett/personal/bjorn-palm-1.20386 who was interviewed by NyTeknik, would be a god candidate. A delightful typo! T

Re: [Vo]:Will Robots Steal Your Job?

2011-09-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
2011/9/26 Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com: This article references Martin Ford's Lights in the Tunnel which was discussed here. I have not yet read the article, but one short comment about the topic. That robots are stealing our jobs is not an issue, because we can tax robots and give

Re: [Vo]:Will Robots Steal Your Job?

2011-09-26 Thread OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson
Jouni sez: This article references Martin Ford's Lights in the Tunnel which was discussed here. I have not yet read the article, but one short comment about the topic. That robots are stealing our jobs is not an issue, because we can tax robots and give money to the poor as a basic income.

Re: [Vo]:Will Robots Steal Your Job?

2011-09-26 Thread Mark Goldes
Louis Kelso foresaw the automation issue decades ago. See Second Incomes for All at www.aesopinstitute.org A Capital Homestead Act has been proposed that grew directly out of his ideas regarding a way to deal with the problem. From: OrionWorks - Steven V

[Vo]:Toroidal Vortices

2011-09-26 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.wimp.com/toroidalvortices/ Mostly entertaining. Sometimes frightening. Steam quality not applicable. :-) T

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Peter Heckert wrote: Am 26.09.2011 20:58, schrieb Akira Shirakawa: On 2011-09-26 19:51, Jed Rothwell wrote: Right. Josephson says he has no intention of doing a test at present. This was a mixup. By his latest comments on that blog post, I see that Passerini

Re: [Vo]:Will Robots Steal Your Job?

2011-09-26 Thread Jouni Valkonen
Steven, you are refering to value add tax with that employment tax. There is no resistance for value add tax in europe and it is commonly ca. 20%. Many people however argue that the proportion should be increased because it is unethical to tax incomes. Some even think that all tax revenues should

Re: [Vo]:Re: Nobel Laureate Brian Josephson to test an e-Cat module on October 6th

2011-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Akira Shirakawa wrote: On 2011-09-26 20:54, Horace Heffner wrote: Rossi states on the Passerini blog (translated by google): It seems appropriate to emphasize that [...] Quite a mixup! What is going on with NASA? Is that another mixup? The text you quoted

Re: [Vo]:Steam Sparge

2011-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner
On Sep 26, 2011, at 11:04 AM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Horace Heffner hheff...@mtaonline.net wrote: It is nice to see our views so closely aligned. They are indeed. I think running the steam and water through a condensing heat exchanger works very well, provided *all* the flow and temperature

Re: [Vo]:Will Robots Steal Your Job?

2011-09-26 Thread Harry Veeder
- Original Message - From: OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson svj.orionwo...@gmail.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Cc: Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 6:29:44 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Will Robots Steal Your Job? Robots will never earn any income. Are you sure a robot could never be

Re: [Vo]:Steam Sparge

2011-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner
Some corrected thoughts. For the secondary circuit only one flow meter is needed, and two thermometers. For the primary circuit, input and output flow meters should be used, and two thermometers. It is important not to assume the pump outputs at a constant rate against all pressures into

Re: [Vo]:Steam Sparge

2011-09-26 Thread Horace Heffner
I wrote: The nice thing about this approach for the 1 MW E-cat is all that is needed for cooling is a 5 gal/min pump, some big hose, and a lake or river. That should have said: The nice thing about this approach for the 1 MW E-cat is all that is needed for cooling is a 200 gal/min pump,