Re: [Vo]:Question about Defkalion products page

2012-03-31 Thread Alain Sepeda
good idea, but bad luck.8( 2012/3/31 Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote: I've often get through this page not reading it, to find the specs... does anybody remind if the following text is old, or have been

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-31 Thread Robert Lynn
Global warming has become an extremely polarising issue. There are strong science based arguments on both sides but whichever side you believe is to some extent a 'faith based' judgement as you can find contradictory journal papers and analyses on almost every issue (other than the actual general

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-31 Thread Alain Sepeda
polarizing yes as was saying an economic cronicle journalist on a frenc TV (BFM, N doze), there are some suject for which it is hard to make your opinion if you have both vision and no prejudice. the vision of Judith Corry, ex-IPCC contibutor, traitor, is that uncertaineties have been ignored to

Re: [Vo]:Should there be a prediction market for LENR?

2012-03-31 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 4:09 Samstag, 31.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Should there be a prediction market for LENR? pagnu...@htdconnect.com wrote:   And, having odds makers following LENR might generate a

Re: [Vo]:Are oil companies suppressing cold fusion? Probably not, but I am sure they will.

2012-03-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: I am not a republican, and I think global warming is a sham. I believe you are technically wrong about that. However, it is somewhat off topic. I think we can agree that cold fusion calorimetry is much easier to understand than climate science. The

[Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: Fukishima disaster? How many people died in this disaster? 3 so far, 0 from radiation. It was more an economic disaster, like Three Mile Island (TMI). TMI nearly bankrupted the local Pennsylvania power company, and cost billions of dollars.

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 15:38 Samstag, 31.März 2012 Betreff: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster About a trillion dollars, as I said. Monetizing the issue makes it comparative. But I doubt that. No every issue

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Regarding the scale of the ecological disaster, my impression is that is so big that no one has a handle on it. No one knows how much radioactive material escaped, where it ended up, or how widespread it is. It is much worse than they originally thought. Last week they inserted a camera into one

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Here are some details about that rough estimate of $1 trillion damage over the long term. The immediate aftermath of the entire tsunami disaster was cost roughly $250 billion, but it will cost a lot more in the future, especially if they rebuild the towns. I doubt they will rebuild many of them.

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von:Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com An: vortex-l@eskimo.com Gesendet: 17:00 Samstag, 31.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster Jed, the problem is: Are there problems who should be adressed as NIL. In software-speak this has been the

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread fznidarsic
This is nothing new, I am reading Atomic America by Todd tucker. When the SL-1 reactor went super critical in 1961 the control rod assembly impaled an army operator and pinned him to the roof of the containment structure. When they got the body out days later, it was perfectly preserved

[Vo]:Ice Circles

2012-03-31 Thread Terry Blanton
Sometimes associated with crop circles, they are actually formed thanks to natural whirpools. http://forgetomori.com/2009/science/ice-circles-explained-kind-of/ Really kewl video at the end of the page. T

[Vo]:Advanced Theory of Energy/Being

2012-03-31 Thread LORENHEYER
Now, I know my technical training and/or terminology needs improving, but I believe I can adequately describe the 'one' means of technology that is enabling significantly advanced civilizations to operate and/or exist in the very space above us, as 'we' go about the business of living (you

[Vo]:The Binuclear atom - a hybrid view

2012-03-31 Thread Jones Beene
A potentially useful hypothesis appeared in 1990 to explain the PF effect, one of many which are largely forgotten today. There were a number of papers on a this new bound hydrogen species, called the binuclear atom, authored by Cerofolini and Para - who moved on to other fields in the mid 90s.

[Vo]:South African Free Fuel Generator on hold -- destroys batteries

2012-03-31 Thread Alan Fletcher
http://pesn.com/2012/03/28/9602066_S_Africa_Company_Discovers_Problems_in_Alpha_Testing_their_Fuel_Free_Generator/ ... On the charging side, we have seen that the batteries are being destructively charged to the point where after some time they are do not hold charge. This occurs typically

Re: [Vo]:South African Free Fuel Generator on hold -- destroys batteries

2012-03-31 Thread Daniel Rocha
I cannot help not thinking like George Hodi in this case 2012/3/31 Alan Fletcher a...@well.com http://pesn.com/2012/03/28/9602066_S_Africa_Company_Discovers_Problems_in_Alpha_Testing_their_Fuel_Free_Generator/ ... On the charging side, we have seen that the batteries are being

Re: [Vo]:Should there be a prediction market for LENR?

2012-03-31 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
Von:pagnu...@htdconnect.com pagnu...@htdconnect.com An: Guenter Wildgruber gwildgru...@ymail.com Gesendet: 18:59 Samstag, 31.März 2012 Betreff: Re: [Vo]:Should there be a prediction market for LENR? Guenter, You are too cynical no, my dear friend, I'm trying to be a humanist realist. Cynicism

Re: [Vo]:South African Free Fuel Generator on hold -- destroys batteries

2012-03-31 Thread Guenter Wildgruber
these guys do not even pass the smell test. Same with UFOs. 'Back to the drawing board' sounds like a good idea. Next step: the mental asylum, with a workshop, where all so inclined work on their perpetuum mobile, along with the other guys, who feel like a reincarnation of Jesus Christ. A truly

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Alan Fletcher
How many people died when a renewable energy dam broke? That seldom happens nowadays. Retaining dams made from earth sometimes break, but not power dams made from concrete. About 1,000 and probably about the same economic damage with the homes washed away. When and where did that

[Vo]:There is no tomorrow Video

2012-03-31 Thread Patrick Ellul
Most of you might have already come across this, but here it goes: About the future of energy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOMWzjrRiBgfeature=share How much of the figures are for real? What about the gloomy conclusion? Regards, -- Patrick www.tRacePerfect.com The daily puzzle everyone

Re: [Vo]:There is no tomorrow Video

2012-03-31 Thread David Roberson
They paint a pretty gloomy picture. The unknown future has always appeared limited, but somehow we seem to get through it and I think LENR will come to the rescue this time. Dave -Original Message- From: Patrick Ellul ellulpatr...@gmail.com To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent:

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam -- 1929 ? ... the current death toll is estimated to be more than 600 victims . . . A concrete dam failure of this nature is extremely unlikely today. I believe dams are the safest and cheapest way to

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Jarold McWilliams
Nuclear is just as safe, if not more, than both of them. On Mar 31, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote: Alan Fletcher a...@well.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Francis_Dam -- 1929 ? ... the current death toll is estimated to be more than 600 victims . . . A concrete dam

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Jed Rothwell
Jarold McWilliams oldja...@hotmail.com wrote: Nuclear is just as safe, if not more, than both of them. Evidently not. The Fukushima accident proved it is not safe. Just because it did not kill people right away that does not make it safe. It will likely kill many workers in the years to come.

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread David Roberson
I agree Jed. The Fukushima accident was extrodinarily bad. It also should make us understand that we are not capable of anticipating the worst event that can occur. I suspect that there are scenarios much worse than what actually happened and thank God that they did not appear. Energy

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Jarold McWilliams
Other renewable energy sources will take trillions out of just the U.S. economy every year because they cost about twice as much as other energy sources. And your numbers for cost are way too high. It creates jobs by rebuilding lost homes, etc., thus stimulating the economy according to a lot

Re: [Vo]:The Fukushima disaster

2012-03-31 Thread Axil Axil
LENR notwithstanding as influential in this rejoinder… Everything is relative. The trillion dollar price tag is a drop in the bucket for non-carbon based energy; a great bargain in life and treasure lost. Nuclear disaster is a bargain. This unfortunate incident though tragic and heart-rending