Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation

2012-06-24 Thread Axil Axil
http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0903/0903.5359.pdf



*A New Method of Obtaining High Enrichment of Metallic Single-*

*Walled Carbon Nanotubes*

* *

http://nopr.niscair.res.in/bitstream/123456789/13361/1/IJCA%2051A(01-02)%2032-46.pdf




Selective Synthesis of SWNT

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:

 **
 I read these patents and most of it is beyond my ability and skill. And
 they're mostly about how to produce SWNTs, which no distinction between the
 Metallic SWNTs from the Semiconducting SWNT varieties.

 I've found many papers discussing production of SWNTs as opposed to MWNTs,
 but I found only 2 papers discussing the Selective Production of Metallic
 SWNTs.  They're both from the same author and it was a very short paper and
 he does not really discuss how to do it in detail.  Do you know of any
 papers discussing the selective production of Metallic SWNTs?  I think
 this is the key in increasing the power density of LENR.


 With respect to the smaller SWNTs the better.  In your understanding,
 why would a smaller (diameter?) SWNT be better than one which is slightly
 bigger.  Any quantum mechanical reason that you can explain?

 Can you direct me to any papers discussing Charge accumulation in SWNTs?

 Jojo




 - Original Message -
 *From:* Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 *To:* vortex-l@eskimo.com
 *Sent:* Saturday, June 23, 2012 8:49 AM
 *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation

 I found about 1000 patents using the compound keywords…… Metallic AND SWNT


 On Google patents, use the “Download PDF” button to see the complete
 patent including the diagrams.



 This looked good to me on a quick scan of the material.



 http://www.google.com/patents/US8163263





 I found 134 patents using the compound keywords……  Armchair AND SWNT



 This looked good to me on a quick scan of the material.






 http://www.google.com/patents?id=pyz5AQAAEBAJprintsec=frontcoverdq=8,038,795hl=ensa=Xei=Ig7lT7jdCoHn0QG-mInWCQved=0CDcQ6AEwAA



 Also



 http://www.google.com/patents/US7807127







 *Just thinking out loud here, but do you think the size of the Fe or Ni
 nanopowders used as catalyst seed material might influence the creation of
 Armchair SWNTs.*



 I think this is true and the smaller the particle, the more active the
 SWNT formed from it will be.



 I will get you more as time permits.


 On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 3:59 PM, Jojo Jaro jth...@hotmail.com wrote:

 **
 Axil,

 I found a page discussing the properties of SWNTs and it mentions that
 Metallic SWNTs exhibit Long Coherence Lengths.

 http://ipn2.epfl.ch/CHBU/NTelectronic1.htm


 From the page:

 Numerous experiments on SWNTs and MWNTs allowed to gain additional
 informations. At low temperatures, SWNTs behave as coherent quantum wires
 where the conduction occurs through discrete electron states over large
 distances. Transport measurements revealed that metallic SWNTs show
 extremely long coherence lengths and that the presence of defects or
 disorder has little influence on electron conduction. This is not the case
 for semi-conducting SWNTs, which show far shorter coherence lengths. 


 Is this the same concept you were referring to in your post about charge
 accumulation in 1D structures.  If so, it appears that SWNTs are better
 than MWNTs; specifically Metallic SWNTs appears to be the right allotropes
 that would enchance Charge accumulation.

 And since, arc discharge generators normally produce a mixture of
 Metallic and Semiconducting SWNTs, it would explain the hit and miss
 results we been getting with Cold Fusion.

 If this is correct, tuning the reactor to bias its production towards
 Metallic SWNTs should increase power production in LENR.

 Any ideas how to do this?  I understand that doping the anode with Fe or
 Ni powders increases the production of SWNTs, I can tune my reactor towards
 SWNT production, but it seems, nobody knows how to tune production of the
 Metallic SWNTs variety over the Semiconducting Variety.  That is, Armchair
 nanotubes as opposed to ZigZag or other chirals.

 Just thinking out loud here, but do you think the size of the Fe or Ni
 nanopowders used as catalyst seed material might influence the creation of
 Armchair SWNTs.

 Can you direct me to papers about SWNT charge accumulation.


 Jojo










Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

2012-06-24 Thread David Roberson

This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power 
production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with 
protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual gamma 
rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is necessary 
if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?

I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based 
upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the 
nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.

Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress 
will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope 
that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven incorrect. 
 It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other researchers to 
continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one really can be sure 
that this particular mechanism is the best and only one operating.  The recent 
paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another possible mechanism that needs 
to be fleshed out.

Dave  







-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR


http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf
 
METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS
 
 
The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas with 
the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy 
neutrons. 



[Vo]:Deconstructing the Hexane/Propane Flat Plate Heat Exchanger Process

2012-06-24 Thread Jojo Jaro
Hello Gang,

Based on my understanding of this process from the very limited information 
about this process, I believe I have identified the heat source of the process. 
 I do not believe the heat source is LENR.

The following is based on my understanding of the procedure.

1.  Spark Plug on T, fired by an AC source or buzz (doorbell)
2.  Propane flow thru this Tee fittings towards the Flat Plate Heat Exchanger 
(FPHE).  Presumably, excess Propane flows out the other port towards the 
atmosphere.
3. On the other side of the FPHE, water is pumped in and Vigorous Steam is 
observed coming out.
4.  No mention of spark rate, propane flow rate, water flow rate or steam flow 
rate or how dry the steam is.  Since the claim is that vigorous steam is 
seen.  It is safe to assume that wet steam is seen as dry steam is invisible.
5.  Claim that the process is operating at 650C.
6.  No mention on whether the reaction in constant or whether the steam output 
fluctuates.
7.  Cotton swab on the Tee fitting reveals black soot.  It appears from the 
statement that very little black soot is being produced.

Based on these observations, I can draw the following hypothesis:

1.  The sparking of propane appears to produce very little black soot.  This is 
consistent with results from the free standing sparking of a hydrocarbon gas.  
It appears very little nanotubes are being formed.  

 Formation of nanotubes will result in significant quantities of web like 
black substances on the Cathode and distributed on the reactor wall.  This 
process appears to produce none of this.  Besides, AC excitation to produce an 
arc WILL NOT produce Carbon Nanotubes.  The nanotubes need to attach to the 
cathode for it to grow.  AC excitation will blow it all over the place 
preventing growth.

2.  The claim that the process operates at 650c appears to be inconsistent with 
what we know about these FPHE.  Copper brazed FPHE of the kind being sold by 
dudadiesel are not designed to operate at 650c.  Operating at such high 
temperatures and pressure will delaminate the individual plates apart since 
they are only brazed with copper.  Copper quickly loses its strength at these 
temperatures.  It is not unusual for copper to loose 90% of its rated tensile 
strength at these temperatures.  Hence, a FPHE rated at 400c and 300 psi would 
degrade to 30psi at 650c. 

 If you are familiar with FPHE design, you will notice that certain areas are 
sealed by as little as 2 mm of brazed copper.  It does not appear that this can 
withstand 650c and the corresponding steam pressure at these temps.

3.  Propane rate flow is not mentioned.  Hence, it is possible that very little 
propane is flowing into the FPHE.  If that is the case, there would be negative 
pressure on the FPHE at certain times that would suck in outside air.  The 
outside oxygen would then chemically react with propane to produce the heat.  
And since we don't know the rate of water flow, we can not really tell how much 
energy is being produced.


Let me know where I'm wrong. 

The Hexane/Propane process by Mint appears to be valid at first glance.  But 
looking deeper at the process reveals several engineering inconsistencies.  I 
was prompted to study this process in detail and now, I don't know what to 
believe.  Right now, I am once again leaning towards Baloney for this process.

But, I am willing to be wrong once again and I reserve the right to change my 
mind.  That after all is the essence of scientific discovery.



Jojo


Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation

2012-06-24 Thread Jojo Jaro
Nah!   If Axil owned a company close to commercialization, he wouldn't be so 
generous in sharing his understanding.  If he did, he will quickly lose any 
market advantage.


Axil is just one all around nice fellow for sharing his knowledge.  If his 
theories pan out and I am able to commercial my design, I know where to send 
a very generous thank you.


Jojo


- Original Message - 
From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com

To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation


With your Mensa mind, Axil, we must assume that you already own a company 
just about ready to market a high pressure boiler fuel insert. N'est-ce 
*pas*? Will you offer start up shares? Where can I join the investor 
waiting list? Looking forward to an offering where minimum five figures is 
required.


Warm Regards,

Reliable






Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

2012-06-24 Thread James Bowery
It would appear the government has a double standard regarding cold fusion
patents.

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 10:57 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:

 This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power
 production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with
 protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual
 gamma rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is
 necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?

 I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is
 based upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate
 at the nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.

 Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that
 progress will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than
 before I hope that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is
 proven incorrect.  It would be in the best interest of everyone for them
 and other researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since
 no one really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and
 only one operating.  The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of
 another possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out.

 Dave

 http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf




 -Original Message-
 From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
 To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
 Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

  http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf

  METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS


  The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty
 plasmas with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated
 low energy neutrons.



RE: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

2012-06-24 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Dave typo'd:

. and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon.

 

celibate = abstaining from sex; 

I thought the whole purpose of going to the pub was not to celibate?

J

-m

 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:57 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

 

This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power
production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with
protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual
gamma rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is
necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?

 

I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based
upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the
nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.

 

Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress
will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope
that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven
incorrect.  It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other
researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one
really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and only one
operating.  The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another
possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out.

 

Dave  





-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

 http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf
http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf

 

METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS

 

 

The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas
with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low
energy neutrons. 



Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation

2012-06-24 Thread c_t
Jojo,What are you talking about: Ther is no original message on vortex-lHidekiSNIP Jojo- Original Message -From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com To: "vortex-l" vortex-l@eskimo.comSent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:52 AMSubject: Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge AccumulationWith your Mensa mind, Axil, we must assume that you already own a company  just about ready to market a high pressure boiler fuel insert. N'est-ce  *pas*? Will you offer start up shares? Where can I join the investor  waiting list? Looking forward to an offering where minimum five figures is  required. Warm Regards,Reliable



Re: [Vo]:Lost email in a Retrograde Mailing lIst system (was:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation)

2012-06-24 Thread Jojo Jaro
There was an original message from Reliable.  I responded to it.  Many times, 
the Vortex Mailing List system loses email.  It happens a lot where you receive 
an email that does not show up on the Web Interface and vice versa.

This is the Mailing List system that I have been lamenting about for quite a 
while now.  I have sent pleadings to Bill to convert but I am hitting a brick 
wall.  There is too much opposition from old farts here to convert to a Forum 
format to solve this dissappearing messages problem among others.

Anyways, that is something we have to put up with.  Pretty soon, my patience 
with this retrograde mailing list system will exhaust itself and I'll post 
somewhere else.  Now that I know Axil posts over at the Polywell site, I'll 
spend more time there.


Jojo


  - Original Message - 
  From: c...@inbox.lv 
  To: vortex-l@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 2:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation


  Jojo,

  What are you talking about: Ther is no original message on vortex-l

  Hideki
  SNIP





Jojo- Original Message -From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com 
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.comSent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:52 AMSubject: 
Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge AccumulationWith your Mensa mind, 
Axil, we must assume that you already own a company just about ready to market 
a high pressure boiler fuel insert. N'est-ce *pas*? Will you offer start up 
shares? Where can I join the investor waiting list? Looking forward to an 
offering where minimum five figures is required. 
Warm Regards,Reliable

Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

2012-06-24 Thread mixent
In reply to  David Roberson's message of Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:57:24 -0400 (EDT):
Hi,

In private email with someone not from this list, someone suggested to me that
the WL theory was the beast candidate so far for an explanation of CF. 
I would suggest rather that it is the theory most easily accepted by the
mainstream because it requires that they make the least adjustment to their
current way of thinking. God forbid that they should have been totally wrong
their entire lives. The dent to their egos would be just too much to bear. ;)


[snip]

This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power 
production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with 
protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual gamma 
rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is 
necessary if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?

I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based 
upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the 
nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.

Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress 
will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope 
that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven 
incorrect.  It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other 
researchers to continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one 
really can be sure that this particular mechanism is the best and only one 
operating.  The recent paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another 
possible mechanism that needs to be fleshed out.

Dave  







-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR


http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf
 
METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS
 
 
The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas 
with the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy 
neutrons. 
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



Re: [Vo]:Is OPEC afraid of synfuels?

2012-06-24 Thread mixent
In reply to  Axil Axil's message of Wed, 20 Jun 2012 18:02:57 -0400:
Hi,
[snip]
The total US yearly manure production capacity is about 2,100,000,000 tons.
The MSOP can accomidate the 40% moisture content of which 1,260,000,000
tons of dry content is estimated.

..but most of this manure is spread across grazing lands, not conveniently
collected in feedlots.

Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/project.html



[Vo]:test

2012-06-24 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Is this getting through?

 

svj



Re: [Vo]:test

2012-06-24 Thread Terry Blanton
No, try again.

T

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:47 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
 Is this getting through?



 svj



Re: [Vo]:test

2012-06-24 Thread Terry Blanton
Eskimo.com is replacing the mail server with new h/w and s/w.  Some
hiccups have been experienced of late; but, patience will be a virtue.

T

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, try again.

 T

 On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 5:47 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
 orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
 Is this getting through?



 svj



Re: [Vo]:Sagnac effect, optical gyroscope lock-in

2012-06-24 Thread Terry Blanton
The MM device does not rotate, right?

T

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 10:36 AM, David Jonsson
davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for this reference. I thought lock in was also present in a optical
 fiber gyroscope or any type. Now I realize that the differences are big
 between different types of interferometers. Are you sure it is not involved
 in other types?

 What do you base your conclusion on that it isn't involved in the
 MM-interferometer?

 David


 On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 11:08 AM, David Jonsson
 davidjonssonswe...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi
 
  Can someone refer me to the lock-in effect in optical gyroscopes? I have
  also heard the effect being mentioned as a phase lock loop effect.
 
  Could lock-in effect also be present in a straight interferometer like a
  Michelson-Morley-interferometer?


 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_laser_gyroscope

 end

 I don't think it relates to the MM experiment.

 T





RE: [Vo]:test

2012-06-24 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
Drat!

I'm trying to send a post in HTML format because it contains some font
changes to make it easier to read some formulas. I got it down to under 40k
but Vortex-l still doesn't like it.

Oh, well... I'll send it in raw text format.

Screw the fancy fonts!

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks




[Vo]:Groking CoAM, Kepler and Rossi

2012-06-24 Thread OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
INTRODUCTION:

What do you do when you are trying to grasp the fundamentals of a well-known
physics equation, an equation you had not been formally taught it in school?
Wikipedia, of course! But what happens if what Wikipedia has to say on the
subject confuses you even more? You do your best to reason out the
fundamental elements that comprise the equation on your own recognizance.
You hope that what you come up with will somehow miraculously match up with
what the academic textbooks have to say on the subject.

The process of discovery can occasionally lead to surprising conclusions,
especially when you get around to comparing notes with what the priesthood
of physics has to say on the subject. You might discover the fact that while
your version of the equation seems to posses fundamental differences when
compared to what is formally laid out in the textbooks, what you came up
with nevertheless seems to explain the phenomenon in exactly the same way.
Not only that you can use your own equation to make the exact same
predictions.

This recently happened to me while trying to grok a well know algebraic
formula, the Conservation of Angular Momentum, or CoAM. It is intimately
related to my on-going study of Celestial Mechanics through the use of
computer simulation. Here's one of my prior posts pertaining to personal
research I've done in the field made back in March of 2012:

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64010.html

While continuing my research I eventually realized I needed to understand
the fundamentals of CoAM because I came to realize that the equation is an
essential part of the physics that helps explain how Celestial Mechanics
(CM) behaves. CoAM helps explain why a satellite orbiting a gravitational
mass, like a planetary body, typically assumes the path of an ellipse where
one of the foci is located at the center of the planetary body. Why does the
velocity of an orbiting satellite as it swoops away from the planetary mass
slow down? CoAM explains it. Why does the satellite's velocity speed up
dramatically during the return phase. Again CoAM explains the reason why.
What is even more astonishing is why does the speeding satellite after it
has made its nearest approach break away? How can that possibly happen? Why
doesn't it crash into the planetary body since the gravitational influence
being felt would be at its greatest strength? Again, CoAM explains why that
doesn't happen. I would conjecture that exactly how CoAM constantly comes to
the rescue is not necessarily that well groked by most folks, including
physicists. I certainly didn't understand nor appreciate the incredible
dance of physics that is involved, not until I started taking a long hard
look.

It is my hope that how I finally learned to grok CoAM might help others who
may also occasionally feel disenfranchised from what traditional physics
books might have to say on similar subjects. The experience lead me to a
belief that there may turn out to be many roads that lead to the Grand City
of Rome. Not only that, sometimes traveling down a less beaten path can have
its own unique surprises and rewards. I suspect Andrea Rossi is a perfect
example of such an individual who found his own unique pathway to the City
of Rome. I suspect he chose a road rarely travelled by others. The path he
chose could possibly end up turning the world of physics upside down -
assuming his eCats really do work, and perhaps most important of all, he
gets the chance to sell them en masse to the world.

MY SEARCH FOR COAM BEGINS:

Initially I tried reading what Wikipedia had to say on the subject. The
authors weren't of much help to me. See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservation_of_angular_momentum#Conservation_o
f_angular_momentum

http://tinyurl.com/yf28c7l

Something was missing. Nowhere in the all of the turgid mathematical
equations that had been written down was there the slightest hint of a
squared value. That bothered me. It bothered me because of my own extensive
computer simulation research into Celestial Mechanics, of how orbital bodies
are attracted to a central gravitational mass. I was also acutely aware of
Kepler's most famous law concerning planetary motion, his 2nd law which
states:

A line joining a planet and the Sun sweeps out equal areas during equal
intervals of time

Kepler's 2nd law introduces a constant that manifests in our
three-dimensional universe in the form of a flat and fixed 2-dimensional
piece of area. No matter what shape that flat patch of area assumes the
amount of area remains constant. First a qwik refresher course on area. An
area, such as a rectangle, is determined by multiplying two 1 dimensional
lengths held at 90 degrees to each other. It is often expressed as:

area = x * y.

If, as sometimes happens, x = y, representing a square, then you can
simplify the rectangular equation to:

area = x^2. 

There was the squared value! Based on my own experience of working with
computer simulations of 

Re: [Vo]:test

2012-06-24 Thread Terry Blanton
Post it in docs.google.com

T

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
 Drat!

 I'm trying to send a post in HTML format because it contains some font
 changes to make it easier to read some formulas. I got it down to under 40k
 but Vortex-l still doesn't like it.

 Oh, well... I'll send it in raw text format.

 Screw the fancy fonts!

 Regards,
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 www.OrionWorks.com
 www.zazzle.com/orionworks





Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

2012-06-24 Thread David Roberson

Oh my, guess I used a bad word!  I hope that you guys will forgive me for such 
a terrible suggestion.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: MarkI-ZeroPoint zeropo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 1:49 pm
Subject: RE: [Vo]:US government patents LENR



Dave typo’d:
“… and we can all go celibate at the nearest pub soon…”
 
celibate = abstaining from sex; 
I thought the whole purpose of going to the pub was not to celibate?
J
-m
 

From: David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 8:57 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

 

This is an interesting patent that I hope is important to LENR power 
production.  Has the existence of heavy electrons that can interact with 
protons and generate neutrons been proven at this juncture?  Have actual gamma 
rays been shown to be absorbed by these systems to the degree that is necessary 
if we are to see all of them in every direction eliminated?

 

I suspect that a lot of this push toward heavy electron involvement is based 
upon much speculation.  Perhaps it is true and we can all go celibate at the 
nearest pub soon, but too many loose ends keep nagging me.

 

Can we assume that now that NASA has become interested in LENR that progress 
will rapidly begin?  If they do put forth far more effort than before I hope 
that they do not become disillusioned when this pet theory is proven incorrect. 
 It would be in the best interest of everyone for them and other researchers to 
continue on as many possible fronts as arise since no one really can be sure 
that this particular mechanism is the best and only one operating.  The recent 
paper by Dr. Storms is a fine example of another possible mechanism that needs 
to be fleshed out.

 

Dave  





-Original Message-
From: Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 2:29 am
Subject: [Vo]:US government patents LENR

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/ZawodnyJmethodforp.pdf

 

METHOD FOR PRODUCING HEAVY ELECTRONS

 

 

The US government patents LENR covering particles, whiskers, dusty plasmas with 
the ultimate goal of producing heavy electrons and associated low energy 
neutrons. 





RE: [Vo]:test

2012-06-24 Thread MarkI-ZeroPoint
Do a screen capture of the equations and simply attach that as a JPG to your
vortex posting... if black text on white, it should compress to a fairly
small JPG. 

-Original Message-
From: Terry Blanton [mailto:hohlr...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2012 3:42 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:test

Post it in docs.google.com

T

On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 6:15 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson
orionwo...@charter.net wrote:
 Drat!

 I'm trying to send a post in HTML format because it contains some font 
 changes to make it easier to read some formulas. I got it down to 
 under 40k but Vortex-l still doesn't like it.

 Oh, well... I'll send it in raw text format.

 Screw the fancy fonts!

 Regards,
 Steven Vincent Johnson
 www.OrionWorks.com
 www.zazzle.com/orionworks





Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation

2012-06-24 Thread Puppy Dog
Hideki,Here is missing post:Axil,  Google *vale nickel powder carbonyl*. Revisit  http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg49505.html (Brilliant  analysis!). In addition, I read or heard Rossi ridicule possible shortage of Ni  powder but can not pick up on specific reference. It appears that proper  preparation, purification and handling are essential. See http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg45727.html and http://www.uibm.gov.it/uibm/dati/Titolare.aspx?load=info_list_unoid=1933570table=Invention#ancoraSearch “Method and Apparatus for Generating Energy through Nuclear Reactions of  Hydrogen Adsorbed by Orbital Capture to a Metal Crystalline  Nanostructure”, et alia.  You commented on this previously. See Axil :  http://www.talk-polywell.org/bb/viewtopic.php?p=67616sid=a67427fd867eb1b9b08913e1b77ed98e  With your Mensa mind, Axil, we must assume that you already own a  company just about ready to market a high pressure boiler fuel insert.  N'est-ce *pas*? Will you offer start up shares? Where can I join the  investor waiting list? Looking forward to an offering where minimum five  figures is required.  Warm Regards,  Reliable  Sun, 24 Jun 2012 11:25:40 -0700   		  Jojo,What are you talking about: Ther is no original message on vortex-lHidekiSNIP Jojo- Original Message -From: integral.property.serv...@gmail.com To: "vortex-l" vortex-l@eskimo.comSent: Monday, June 25, 2012 1:52 AMSubject: Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge AccumulationWith your Mensa mind, Axil, we must assume that you already own a company  just about ready to market a high pressure boiler fuel insert. N'est-ce  *pas*? Will you offer start up shares? Where can I join the investor  waiting list? Looking forward to an offering where minimum five figures is  required. Warm Regards,Reliable Thank you Reliable for the excellent references.. Axil is hidden and probably will never disclose background. See http://www.technologyreview.com/profile/Axil/ Anonymous  



Re: [Vo]:Groking CoAM, Kepler and Rossi

2012-06-24 Thread David Roberson

Bravo Steven,  it sounds like you have been having a good time in your path of 
discovery.  I find myself in the same boat on occasions where I discover 
something that is new to me but then I find that it has been documented by 
others and recently wikipedia has been my worst foe.  At least you and I have 
the satisfaction of knowing that we are venturing into the unknown.  I like to 
think of my new concepts as suggesting that I could have been there first, but 
was not.  Regardless of the timing, it is mind opening to venture into these 
types of studies.

Much is learned about the natural world by actually exploring interesting 
concepts.  When the pieces fall together we get a better view of the entire 
picture that tends to remain in our memories far longer than one can recall a 
equation.  And as you suggest, unusual modifications from the original well 
known paths lead to interesting observations that might not make sense at the 
first look.

I have a tendency to think differently than others about natural phenomenon.  
You appear to exhibit that curse as well!  This type of reasoning has served me 
well in the past when I have solved extremely complicated problems that have 
been unresolved for months until an unorthodox idea appears.  The more we think 
about things in a different manner, the more likely it is to stumble upon these 
wondrous ideas.

Keep stressing your mind as it is extremely good for you.  A number of years 
ago I played chess with some very good players and I suspect that you may have 
done the same.  That should be a requirement for guys and gals that want to 
enter into the engineering or science fields in the future.  The deep planning 
necessary to play chess at a reasonable level is greatly advantageous for 
problem solving.

I find the CoE as a very useful guide as well.  That along with the CoM, 
coupled with a observation reference change can make many problems become much 
more transparent.  

I wish you good fortune my friend.

Dave



-Original Message-
From: OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson orionwo...@charter.net
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Sun, Jun 24, 2012 6:25 pm
Subject: [Vo]:Groking CoAM, Kepler and Rossi


INTRODUCTION:
What do you do when you are trying to grasp the fundamentals of a well-known
hysics equation, an equation you had not been formally taught it in school?
ikipedia, of course! But what happens if what Wikipedia has to say on the
ubject confuses you even more? You do your best to reason out the
undamental elements that comprise the equation on your own recognizance.
ou hope that what you come up with will somehow miraculously match up with
hat the academic textbooks have to say on the subject.
The process of discovery can occasionally lead to surprising conclusions,
specially when you get around to comparing notes with what the priesthood
f physics has to say on the subject. You might discover the fact that while
our version of the equation seems to posses fundamental differences when
ompared to what is formally laid out in the textbooks, what you came up
ith nevertheless seems to explain the phenomenon in exactly the same way.
ot only that you can use your own equation to make the exact same
redictions.
This recently happened to me while trying to grok a well know algebraic
ormula, the Conservation of Angular Momentum, or CoAM. It is intimately
elated to my on-going study of Celestial Mechanics through the use of
omputer simulation. Here's one of my prior posts pertaining to personal
esearch I've done in the field made back in March of 2012:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex-l@eskimo.com/msg64010.html
While continuing my research I eventually realized I needed to understand
he fundamentals of CoAM because I came to realize that the equation is an
ssential part of the physics that helps explain how Celestial Mechanics
CM) behaves. CoAM helps explain why a satellite orbiting a gravitational
ass, like a planetary body, typically assumes the path of an ellipse where
ne of the foci is located at the center of the planetary body. Why does the
elocity of an orbiting satellite as it swoops away from the planetary mass
low down? CoAM explains it. Why does the satellite's velocity speed up
ramatically during the return phase. Again CoAM explains the reason why.
hat is even more astonishing is why does the speeding satellite after it
as made its nearest approach break away? How can that possibly happen? Why
oesn't it crash into the planetary body since the gravitational influence
eing felt would be at its greatest strength? Again, CoAM explains why that
oesn't happen. I would conjecture that exactly how CoAM constantly comes to
he rescue is not necessarily that well groked by most folks, including
hysicists. I certainly didn't understand nor appreciate the incredible
ance of physics that is involved, not until I started taking a long hard
ook.
It is my hope that how I finally learned to grok CoAM might help others who
ay also 

Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation

2012-06-24 Thread Terry Blanton
On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 7:56 PM, Puppy Dog d...@inbox.lv wrote:

 Axil is hidden and
 probably will never disclose background.

Et vous?

T



Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation

2012-06-24 Thread pagnucco
Jojo,
Please note this correction -

...current density is directly related to radius^2...
- should read
...current is directly related to radius^2...

The extra word changes the meaning entirely.
Too large a radius (~ electron mean free path), though, will make the
current diffusive instead of ballistic.

-- Lou Pagnucco

Lou Pagnucco wrote:
Jojo,

I believe in both metal nanowires and carbon SWNTs, current density is
directly related to radius^2 - Refer to equation(1), page 1 of -

Stability of Metal Nanowires at Ultrahigh Current Densities
http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0411058v3.pdf




Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation

2012-06-24 Thread Jojo Jaro
What you are saying is the current carrying capacity of a conductor is 
proportional to the cross sectional area of the conductor.  That is true 
only for the macro scale.


Current flow in a 1 dimensional SWNT appears to be governed by quite 
different mechanisms.  I do not believe the Current carrying capacity of a 
CNT is proportional to its cross sectional area.  I believe SWNTs with 
smaller diameters can carry more current that MWNT with larger diameters.  I 
believe that is exactly what long coherence lengths mean in this context.


Tell me where I'm wrong.


Jojo


- Original Message - 
From: pagnu...@htdconnect.com

To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2012 11:59 AM
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Coherent Quantum Wires and Charge Accumulation



Jojo,
Please note this correction -

...current density is directly related to radius^2...
- should read
...current is directly related to radius^2...

The extra word changes the meaning entirely.
Too large a radius (~ electron mean free path), though, will make the
current diffusive instead of ballistic.

-- Lou Pagnucco

Lou Pagnucco wrote:

Jojo,

I believe in both metal nanowires and carbon SWNTs, current density is
directly related to radius^2 - Refer to equation(1), page 1 of -

Stability of Metal Nanowires at Ultrahigh Current Densities
http://arxiv.org/pdf/cond-mat/0411058v3.pdf








Re: [Vo]:Is OPEC afraid of synfuels?

2012-06-24 Thread Axil Axil
To cover the losses in waste production from small operations, it may be
appropriate to extend the analysis to more types of waste streams.

First, Chicken manure.



Estimation of the total yearly United States bio-diesel production
capability from chicken manure.



Chicken manure weight = 0.21 lb/day



The United States chicken population is (1,970,000,000)



Average chicken waste (litter) production is 0.21 lb/day. The total yearly
litter production is as follows:



1,970,000,000 * 0.21 lb/day * 365 days * 1/2000 =  75,500,250 tons



At 150 gallons of bio-diesel per dry ton of chicken litter



75,500,250 tons * 150 gallons = 11,325,037,500 gallons of bio-diesel per
year from chicken litter.



Running total U.S yearly bio-diesel from United States manure production is
as follows:



11,325,037,500 gallons from chickens + 189,000,000,000 gallons from cow
manure = 200,325,037,500 total gallons of bio diesel per year.



-



Estimation of the total yearly United States bio-diesel production
capability from human waste sludge.



The United States population is (310,000,000)



Annual mass sludge per capita 64.4 pounds



The total yearly sludge production is as follows:

310,000,000 * 64.4 pounds/year * 1/2000 =  9,982,000 tons/year



Assuming a 40% moisture content, the dry weight of sludge = 9,982,000 * .6
= 5,989,200 tons/year



At 150 gallons of bio-diesel per dry ton of sludge - 5,989,200 tons/year *
150 gallons/dry ton = 898,380,000 gallons of bio-diesel per year from human
waste sludge.



Running total U.S yearly bio-diesel from United States manure/bio-waste
production is as follows:



11,325,037,500 gallons from chicken litter +

189,000,000,000 gallons from cow manure +

898,380,000 gallons of bio-diesel per year from human waste sludge



= 201,223,417,500 total potential gallons of bio diesel per year.

=





Estimation of the total yearly United States bio-diesel production
capability from swine waste.



The United States swine population is (60,388,700)



Swine are estimated to produce daily raw manure of as much as 8.4 percent
of body weight (urine and feces).



Generally, growing-finishing pigs weighing 21 to 100 kg can be expected to
generate 0.39 to 0.45 kg of waste per day on a dry matter basis (Brumm et
al. 1980).





.45kg (1 lbs) * 60,388,700 * 1/2000 *365 = 11020937 tons of swine waste/year





150 gallons of bio-diesel/ton *  11,020,937 tons of swine waste/year  =
1,653,140,662 gallons of bio-diesel/year from swine waste









Estimation of the total yearly United States bio-diesel production
capability from municipal solid waste.





The United States Environmental Protection Agency estimates that in 2006
there were 251 million tons of municipal solid waste, or 4.6 pounds
generated per day per person in the USA



310,000,000 people * 4.6 lbs/person * 1/2000 * 365 days = 260,245,000 tons
of municipal solid waste



150 gallons of bio-diesel/ton * 260,245,000 tons of municipal solid =
39,036,750,000 gallons of bio-diesel/year from municipal solid waste



Running total U.S yearly bio-diesel from United States
manure/bio-waste/solid waste production is as follows:



11,325,037,500 gallons from chicken litter +



189,000,000,000 gallons from cow manure +



898,380,000 gallons of bio-diesel per year from human waste sludge +



 1,653,140,662 gallons of bio-diesel/year from swine waste +



39,036,750,000 gallons of bio-diesel/year from municipal solid waste =



 241,913,308,162 gallons of bio-diesel/year(5,759,840,670 b/y ---
15,780,385 b/d) total potential gallons of bio diesel per year from U.S.
waste streams.



--





Because it is produced in massive concentrations, much of the bio-waste
produces water pollution in streams and rivers or is burned for electric
power production in meat processing plants or incinerated or landfilled.
Also anaerobic digestion converts the waste to a methane and carbon dioxide
rich biogas (sewage treatment) released to the atmosphere.



All the minerals and nitrogen content from bio-diesel processing of the
animal waste can be reapplied to farm land as mineral fertilizers formed
from ash residue.







Elimination of concentrated animal waste streams from the US biosphere will
save about $500,000,000 to a high estimate of $ one trillion in medical
costs and 3000 to 5000 deaths from food poisoning.



http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/16/business/16illness.html



*In a pair of research reports made public on Wednesday, the **Centers for
Disease Control and
Prevention*http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/organizations/c/centers_for_disease_control_and_prevention/index.html?inline=nyt-org
* said that about 48 million people a year get sick from tainted food, down
from the previous, often-cited estimate of 76 million. The number of