How sophisticated is neutron counting in these experiments and how
frequent? It's possible I guess that one of these experiments could
produce a burst of neutrons of some non-negligible danger to the lab
personnel. You would think this would be closely monitored.
The neutron's role in all this
On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 10:19 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I would be concerned about the cost of platinum. Stainless steel might
work since it is un reactive.
The problem of cost is an important one, since we're talking about a
tabletop experiment.
The danger of falling back
The input is not directly transformed into output but you must initially apply
heat of some type to coax Rossi's ECAT to put out excess heat energy. It does
nothing until the heat input occurs and after that the amount of heat
generated depends upon the internal temperature. What controls
I read that carbon rods could be obtained at craft stores so I might take a
trip to find one if my stainless is a problem. Did someone mention that iron
might be a catalyst in Rossi's device? I guess I might get some for this
experiment by default.
Originally, I was using a second nickel
I suppose that readers of this list are aware of the significant work of
Terence McKenna, one of the most thorough thinkers the Americans ever had.
Now TMK was very aware of the distinction, Whitehead made of 'stubborn reality'
versus belief-based sub-reality.
To some degree 'reality' is a
Reminder,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Va3objv1cIE/SeCVwj_HVwI/AYs/FYmv70j8LbM/s400/elephant.gif
RFG
Complex Electronics
AC or DC heating
Toroidal Chamber
Electro Magnetic Damping
Grain of sand on beach conversion (E=MC^2)
Hydrides
Energy Barriers
Phonon Lattice Oscillations
You forgot dark/collapsed matter
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 7:34 AM, Mint Candy m.ca...@gmx.us wrote:
Reminder,
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Va3objv1cIE/SeCVwj_HVwI/AYs/FYmv70j8LbM/s400/elephant.gif
RFG
Complex Electronics
AC or DC heating
Toroidal Chamber
Electro Magnetic Damping
On 09/22/2012 02:57 PM, Jouni Valkonen wrote:
There are two kinds of ethers.
Better said, those are two notions of the ether, that are of historical
value and of customary use.
When I say ether I refer to the also customary notion of 'light carrying
medium', but in general terms, that is,
You could not be more wrong - at least if you are classifying Ni-H as cold
fusion which it isn't.
Input is clearly being amplified by a positive feedback modality.
There is zero evidence of any self-running system - albeit lots of
unsubstantiated talk. The hallmark of nickel hydrogen, or
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
The input is not directly transformed into output but you must initially
apply heat of some type to coax Rossi's ECAT to put out excess heat energy.
That is true, but once it heats up you can turn off the heat input.
What controls does he have to
From: Jed Rothwell
Rossi has never demonstrated in public an ECAT that is truly self
sustaining.
Yes, he did. He ran for 4 hours with no input.
Wrong. His cell was connected during this time. He claimed the connection
was minimal or some such excuse - but no one ever got to test it.
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
You could not be more wrong – at least if you are classifying Ni-H as
“cold fusion” which it isn’t.
Are you suggesting that Pd-D is fusion and Ni-H is not? Or that they both
are not fusion? I do not see how Pd-D can produce helium at the same ratio
to
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Rossi has never demonstrated in public an ECAT that is truly self
sustaining.
** **
Yes, he did. He ran for 4 hours with no input.
** **
Wrong. His cell was connected during this time. He claimed the connection
was “minimal” or some such
In any event neither 4 hours - nor heat after death is adequate - these
are thermal excursion which are far from self-sustaining.
Of course, there is no real definition for what this parameter needs to be -
but in the context of a reactor having significant thermal insulation - at
least 24
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Input is clearly being amplified by a positive feedback modality.
That is true, without doubt. Fleischmann pointed that out in 1990. He
triggered the boil-off events with an external heat pulse. It works the
same way whether the heat comes from outside or
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
In any event neither “4 hours” – nor “heat after death” is adequate
4 hours far exceeds the limits of chemistry with this device, so it is
adequate. If there were 100 kg of potential chemical fuel and oxidizer in
the machine of course it would not be
From: Jed Rothwell
Jones Beene wrote: You could not be more wrong - at least if
you are classifying Ni-H as cold fusion which it isn't.
Are you suggesting that Pd-D is fusion and Ni-H is not?
Yes, that is exactly what I am
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Are you suggesting that Pd-D is fusion and Ni-H is not?
Yes, that is exactly what I am suggesting. Most of us on vortex agree that
Pd-D seems to have all the characteristics of fusion (to helium) but Ni-H
has no characteristics of
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:36 AM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
I read that carbon rods could be obtained at craft stores so I might take a
trip to find one if my stainless is a problem. Did someone mention that
iron might be a catalyst in Rossi's device? I guess I might get some
I wrote:
Thus far, there is no evidence of a self-running system. Celani, at one of
his demos, spoke as if he had accomplished this, but later retracted . . .
No, he did not claim that. Not in discussions with me, anyway. He said he
will increase insulation and he hopes to reduce input to
Running a device for 4 hours as it cools off is not self sustaining. Self
sustaining suggests that it will continue indefinitely since the energy
required to keep the device hot and active is being generated within and Rossi
has not stated that this is possible with the ECAT. As far as I
From: Jed Rothwell
* That should tell you volumes about the underlying mechanism.
What does it tell you? (Serious question.)
It tells me that Ni-H (as opposed to Pd-D)
1)Is a QM reaction involving ferromagnetic host material in
nano-geometry
2)Magnons are the
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Running a device for 4 hours as it cools off is not self sustaining.
This is wrong for two reasons:
1. It did not cool off. It got hotter, then cooler, than hotter again,
before finally cooling. This proves there was some source of energy in the
cell.
Jed says:
I do not see how an external heat source can be used to control the reaction,
because internal heating soon overtakes it in any case. If positive feedback
can cause an out-of-control reaction (such as an explosion), I do not see how
external heating can prevent that.
One can
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
One can establish control of a positive feedback ECAT system by taking
away enough of the internal device heat so it no longer possess the
temperature required to regenerate the self sustaining energy.
Yes, I see that. But it seems like a dicey way
Ed Storms remarked that his theory can explain both Pd and Ni reactions. I
believe other theories attempt to explain both as manifestations of the
same fundamental reaction.
Jones Beene has now listed some reasons to doubt this. He believes there
are multiple unrelated miracles. That is a
From: Jed Rothwell
This is wrong for two reasons:
1. It did not cool off. It got hotter, then cooler, than hotter again,
before finally cooling. This proves there was some source of energy in the
cell. That is fundamental to the laws of thermodynamics.
No! this does not
I'll just add that Defkalion claims that after a pulse of few dozens of
joules the reactor have a heat after death during few dozens of minutes,
of few hundreds of joules.
It works for few days, but electrodes wears out... anyway I imagine that we
can eliminate chemical hypothesis after few
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
You do not understand that phase-change alone can provide “heat after
death”.
A phase change -- from meaning from gas to liquid, or liquid to solid --
can change the rate of cooling but it cannot make it anything other than a
monotonic decrease as far as
Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.com wrote:
what is sure is that self-sustain is not a problem of power but of control.
it is much harder than triggering...
Quite right. It is much harder, and much more dangerous.
The two are related but not the same.
- Jed
I think replicators should read carefully this section of what chuck says:
Just so know how machined the coins into electrodes; I just used a hacksaw
and made two cuts into the coin to make a tab, and then bent it up with needle
nose pliers. The tab was about 1/8 thick and stood about 1/2
From: Jed Rothwell
A phase change -- from meaning from gas to liquid, or liquid
to solid -- can change the rate of cooling but it cannot make it anything
other than a monotonic decrease as far as I know.
Since you do not know - then why comment
A great deal depends upon exactly how the reaction behaves when the internal
temperature of the core is changed. Rossi can very rapidly cut off the power
to the heating element so slow response is not important in that operation.
After that point in time we are left with the effects of
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 12:52 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
There has been no evidence to support the notion that the internal heating
increases once the electrical heater is shut down, so it makes sense to
assume that the core temperature will begin to go down instead of up.
Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
Recalescence can be a deadly phenomenon in some situations. It is a
sudden
burst of heat during cooling. In fact, recalescence is the prototypical
version of heat after death. The death toll in steel mills . . .
Ah, I see. Thank you for explaining
We are discussing an interesting group of concepts here and I have counter
discussions for each one here. I may break it into several different posts to
make each of a reasonable length.
Rossi has never demonstrated in public an ECAT that is truly self sustaining.
Yes, he did. He ran for 4
From: Jed Rothwell
Recalescence can be a deadly phenomenon in some situations. It is a sudden
burst of heat during cooling. In fact, recalescence is the prototypical
version of heat after death. The death toll in steel mills . . .
Ah, I see. Thank you for explaining this.
It would
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 1:35 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Take a look at the lab explosions that are on your site. I hope they were
not intentional! The recent experiment by Celani appears to demonstrate
what happens when a system of this nature is not under control. The
I suspect that I did not get across what I had in mind in that paragraph. I
was assuming that we were operating below the critical self sustaining level
per my definition. In that case the net power being delivered to the core
after the drive is removed is not sufficient to keep the device at
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Take a look at the lab explosions that are on your site. I hope they were
not intentional!
They were not intentional, but the cells were not in heat after death as
far as I know. I am sure that Mizuno, Biberian and the Chinese cells that
exploded
Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
The explosions may be due to sudden power excursions, but I wonder instead
whether they are due to the evolution of oxygen and nitrogen, which then
explosively combine with hydrogen.
The energy release far exceeds the amount of energy available in free
Do you recall an event mentioned by FP where the device burned it way through
a table or floor? The amount of heat released would most likely be more than
expected by a chemical reaction. I suspect that none of us are aware of the
dangers that might lurk in some of these rough experiments.
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Do you recall an event mentioned by FP where the device burned it way
through a table or floor?
That as the cube I referred to. I listed it in my book. There are no
photos or other physical evidence, I am sorry to say. As far as I know,
electrolysis was
From: John Page johnp...@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 11:41:11 AM
I would think that cutting and bending might create numerous NAE
sites. This step may be very important.
I always point out that the initial replicators should heed the alchemists, and
follow the instructions
From: Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2012 8:53:26 AM
Obviously there are differences. Pd only works with D, for example.
U Godes..McKubre ICCF17 :
I give Peace and Freedom Party Candidate Roseanne Barr stickers and a
t-shirt to start research on cold fusion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0t2UELpLVkAfeature=plcp
--
Ruby Carat
Skype ruby-carat
www.coldfusionnow.org http://www.coldfusionnow.org
Nickel Coin LENR Experiment
http://www.e-catworld.com/2012/09/nickel-coin-lenr-experiment/
Mostly a quote and summary of vortex.
I want to discuss the temperature readings from Rossi's October demonstration.
I think calling that experiment controversial is an understatement.
First of all, we are only given the temperature at the output of the device
which as far as I know approximates the region above the internal
I am not sure I would call the demonstration fake just because a trick is used
to enhance the apparent performance. The main observation I received from the
show was that Rossi's device appears to generate significant excess energy as a
result of LENR. That is where the meat is.
I have
At 03:55 PM 9/23/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
David Roberson mailto:dlrober...@aol.comdlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Do you recall an event mentioned by FP where the device burned it
way through a table or floor?
That as the cube I referred to. I listed it in my book. There are
no photos or other
The world faces an unimaginable fate: the demise of the helium balloon.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19676639
Only LENR can save us!
;-)
Jeff
David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Do you consider this an out of control cold fusion device? It certainly
has that appearance to me.
Of course it was out of control. However, as far as I know, when the
runaway reaction began the cell was undergoing electrolysis. It did not
begin to go
Eric, I chose the nickel since it has a composition that resembles the wire
used by Celani in his recent demonstration. This was recommended by someone
else and I thought the idea was great. Nickels are easy to come by.
Today I picked up some pencil lead of .9 mm size #2 and replaced my
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM, David Roberson dlrober...@aol.com wrote:
At the moment my hydrogen loading system is taking 1 amp at about 20 volts.
The voltage reading varies greatly depending upon the spacing between the
electrodes as expected with a resistive electrolyte.
I'm enjoying
The first extremely crude experiment is to learn how to handle the components.
That seems to be coming along well when you look at the first approach where I
used table salt and two nickels. Next, it was with sodium bromide which
behaved quite a bit better but still was seriously gooping up
At 07:53 PM 9/23/2012, Jed Rothwell wrote:
David Roberson mailto:dlrober...@aol.comdlrober...@aol.com wrote:
Do you consider this an out of control cold fusion device? It
certainly has that appearance to me.
Of course it was out of control. However, as far as I know, when the
runaway
At 08:29 PM 9/23/2012, Eric Walker wrote:
On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 6:00 PM, David Roberson
mailto:dlrober...@aol.comdlrober...@aol.com wrote:
At the moment my hydrogen loading system is
taking 1 amp at about 20 volts. Â The voltage
reading varies greatly depending upon the
spacing between
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