I've heard Rossi and some others happy about some signal around 511Kev (e+
anihilation)... to be confirmed.
note that DGT claim gamme in 30-500keV... compatible with 511keV divided
(is it possible? )
however if much energy is cared by e+, and annihilation, should not there
be much more gamma
You make good points about different requirements... not that for most
physicist what is assumed by theory is not extraordinary thus need no
serious evidence... This is the only and key problem: theory!
In fact I think it is a very many time replicated tragedy. As Thomas Kuhn
and Nassim nicholas
Actually, they considered only what entered the core of D+T. That is about
1/100 000 of the total that enters the whole machine for the shot.
2014-02-13 1:55 GMT-02:00 Mark Gibbs mgi...@gibbs.com:
Correct me if I'm wrong but they didn't really achieve OU because the
target only got 10% of the
Jones--Bob Cook Here--
Can you show how the p-e-p reaction as you understand it conserves spin?
I would think that the newly fused particle, whatever it is, would have 1/2
or 3/2 spin--I do not know.
If a positron is emitted, its spin would be -1/2 I think. That would make
the new
Bob, these three particles create a deuteron after all of the excess mass
energy has been emitted as photons. The neutrino has very little energy because
very little remains when the d forms. The creation process is unique to lenr
and applies to all the isotopes of hydrogen, at least that is my
Upon further reflection, the paired proton conjecture may be on the right
track after all. In the ICCF-18 paper, Dr. Yeong E. Kim defines his
reactions in terms of deuterons, but deuteron formation can only happen
when the hydrogen isotope used in the LENR reaction is deuterium.
When protium
Ed--Bob here--
The protons are fermi particles with a spin of 1/2, so 2 protons would
create a new particle spin of 1 plus the 1/2 from the electron for a total
of +1-1/2.
I think deuteron's are Bose particles with a spin of 0. Correct me if I am
wrong.
What happens to the excess spin?
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Jones--Bob Cook Here--
Can you show how the p-e-p reaction as you understand it conserves spin?
Hi Bob,
No one can adequately explain the many inconsistencies of this proposed
route to gain in LENR.
Were it not for the reputation of the proponents,
I say in LENR that the double proton(spin 0) fusion happens then after this
fusion occurs an electron(spin -1/2) capture comes next (reverse beta
decay) the spin of 1/2 is removed by an electron neutrino.
Axil, if the reaction involves the capture of an electron, and there are many
available nearby, the positron - electron annihilation would not occur. This
would explain why no 511 keV radiation is seen. Of course the energy escaping
via the neutrino would be significant.
Dave
Hawaii has the most expensive electricity in the U.S. Now they have too
much PV electricity. The power company says it is overwhelming the
distribution network. See:
-Original Message-
From: Edmund Storms
Bob,
ES: these three particles create a deuteron after all of the excess mass
energy has been emitted as photons. The neutrino has very little energy
because very little remains when the d forms. The creation process is unique
to lenr and applies
Yes! And Duke power is trying to avoid having to credit customers for their
solar contributions to the grid. That was in last week's news.
Shame on Duke. There are a disgusting corporate citizen .
From: Jed Rothwell
Hawaii has the most expensive electricity in the U.S. Now they have
Statistics are just marvelous, sometimes theer is no way to deny the
findings..
One Swedish guy clearly showed that the consumption of soda were totally
driven by the first letter in the name of the month. J was the letter to
look for if you want to sell soda. It is still true.
Did I mention that
This is largely a problem with grid-tie solar inversion and the fact that
solar generation only happens during the day. As long as the utility
company has less PV inverted than the difference between their daytime and
nighttime loads, it is better for them to have the PV generation. Once the
PV
There is one complication that does not fall out of these various single
track theories of LENR fusion. That complication is the Fission/Fusion
reaction. What causes many protons to fuse with a high Z element like
nickel? This process results in many and various secondary reaction trees
producing
hmm, sounds like a need for a power intensive industry to move in. Say,
something that uses seawater as well? like, oh, I dunno... water
desalination and hydrogen separation?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Hawaii has the most expensive electricity
leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
hmm, sounds like a need for a power intensive industry to move in. Say,
something that uses seawater as well? like, oh, I dunno... water
desalination and hydrogen separation?
They have plenty of fresh water in Hawaii. Hydrogen energy storage might be
a
I do not know anything about the X-prize. If someone here would like to
submit a proposal, I would be happy to assist in writing it.
- Jed
I need to update these figures. I realized I have been comparing OverUnity
Apples to UnderUnity Oranges. Up until this week, Controlled Hot Fusion
(CHF) experiments haven't even broken overunity, let alone ignition.
*Nuclear fusion hits energy
I've been rather too busy to respond, since one must be _very_ careful
about setting up the criteria, but since there is additional interest I'll
respond now briefly but carefully:
On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
The weather has completely cleared up in Atlanta, and the snow has mostly
melted. But the power company website shows they are still hard at work:
http://outagemap.georgiapower.com/external/default.html
They are finally catching up. In the last 20 minutes, the numbers have
dropped:
2:16 2,603
Jed:
There is no need to reinvent the wheel. The Xprize foundation is very active.
Go to xprize.org
I was involved with Dr Peter Diamandis when he first came to St Louis to
propose a Lindbergh type prize to the St Louis Science Center. All the legal
documents for prizes have been hashed
Yes, but iirc, they are on the shipping path to a few areas that aren't,
and might not always be returning with full cargoes from dropping off in
north america.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:00 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.comwrote:
leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
hmm, sounds like
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Wed, 12 Feb 2014 13:10:32 -0800:
Hi Jones,
Note, that as Harry said, I was referring to p-e-p, not pp. The pp reaction does
indeed produce a positron, however the p-e-p reaction is an electron capture
reaction, and the only particles produced are a deuteron
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 06:52:29 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Ed--Bob here--
The protons are fermi particles with a spin of 1/2, so 2 protons would
create a new particle spin of 1 plus the 1/2 from the electron for a total
of +1-1/2.
I think deuteron's are Bose particles with a
leaking pen itsat...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, but iirc, they are on the shipping path to a few areas that aren't . .
.
Aren't what? You mean places that do not have fresh water? You cannot
ship water with an ordinary containership. You need a tanker. Water is so
cheap it would make no economic
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
There is no need to reinvent the wheel. The Xprize foundation is very
active. Go to xprize.org
Someone has to persuade this organization to offer a prize for cold fusion.
Right? I do not know how to go about doing that.
I do not think it is likely
Jed:
I know Diamandis pretty well and other members of his board.
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary. What is the chance any of the
players, Rossi, DGT, Lenuco, Brilluion etc have something that will be
convincing to the public, if so no Prize is necessary.
Ransom
Sent from my
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary. What is the chance any of
the players, Rossi, DGT, Lenuco, Brilluion etc have something that will be
convincing to the public, if so no Prize is necessary.
I agree.
Actually, if Rossi or one of the
From: H Veeder
(this also answers Robin's more recent posting)
The most elegant answer begins with the obvious assertion that there are
no
gammas ab initio, which means that no reaction of the kind which your theory
proposes can be valid because gammas are expected.
RvS: Actually not only
Axil—Bob Cook here--
I would note that the discussion in Wikipedia applies to a hydrogen molecular
QM system. The individual protons retain their 1/2 spin. When a Hydrogen
enters a matrix it may remain as a molecule or it may enter as an ion. If
there is an ionization process available, it
The nuclear power industry wants global warming to be real. So do wind and
solar interests. The biggest booster of the global warming movement is rarely
mentioned: the TBTJ banks such as Goldman Sachs - who want to feed off
supervising carbon markets.
Axil—Bob Cook here-
That sounds possible from the spin part.
How does the double proton form? I think the electrons and the two protons
may all react in the QM Ni system at the same time ( 10 x e-18 sec.)
Bob
From: Axil Axil
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 9:54 AM
To: vortex-l
Jones, you keep saying no theory explains LENR and keep suggesting reasons to
reject while suggesting your own explanation that is isolated to one part of
the process. On the other hand, I suggest a comprehensive mechanism that not
only can explain all observations wthout adhoc assumptions but
Funny you didn't mention the TBTJ banks in your supposed fallacy - the banks
that conspired with the FBI to discuss using snipers to deal with Occupy
protesters ( exposed in redacted documents) Or how they bribed police to make
sure that these protests were kept away from their mansions (
I like the cluster theory that Dr George Miley supports and also Dr. Kim
for a number of reasons.
1 -A small hydrogen nano-particle can supply all the protons needed to feed
a large proton cluster reaction.
2 - Strong magnetic screening can support a large scale suspension of the
coulomb barrier
When the coulomb repulsion is removed from a pile of protons, they will
attract each other and minimize energy by forming a pair with zero spin.
In other words, large scale wide area charge screening is required to get
protons to pair up based on opposite spins. This happens with electrons in
Seing the idea of p+e+p plus the fact it can only happen in lattice, in
some very specific situations, I naturally think about geometry, symmetry...
the error of free space nuclear physicist was to think in free space.
It seems Takahashi have similar ideas, but with different details...
and
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
Randy Wuller rwul...@freeark.com wrote:
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary. What is the chance any of
the players, Rossi, DGT, Lenuco, Brilluion etc have something that will be
convincing to the public, if
Alain, Math is useless because it is based on conventional mechanisms. The
process CAN NOT occur in a lattice without violating the laws of
thermodynamics. The p+e+p is the only form that can also explain tritium
production. These requirements limit what is possible. Please take them into
Chris Zell chrisz...@wetmtv.com wrote:
Categoring their malevolent influence as ad hominem is a fallacy, indeed.
I did not say ad hominem. That is a different fallacy. I said
circumstantial ad hominem. That is, dismissing a claim because it is in
the best interest of the claimant that the
I have not heard of any reports of tritium being generated by the NiH
reactor. Is tritium a dot that we need to concern ourselves about?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:23 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Alain, Math is useless because it is based on conventional mechanisms. The
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
That's true if Rossi has a handle on the science. There is wide-spread
opinion among genuine skeptics (not to be confused with true believers in
the bureaucratic interpretation of physical theory) that what Rossi has is
more likely a technique that is
Pulled Threads.
Unfortunately, many of them were pulled from FR and my efforts to save them
using Ubuntu software led to a debacle.
Here's my first new attempt. Looks like the mod is back from vacation.
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=3122363,26
In the *General/Chat* forum, on a
I mean to say: because it would be in the best interests of claimant Y for
claim X to be true, [and because I have proved X is false], I suspect that
Y is lying. In short, once you establish that X is false, you can then use
that fact to impugn motives. You cannot do it the other way around. The
As of 7:46 the number of outages is finally starting to fall, to 2,496, and
the number of customers is now 130,854.
This notice gives you a feeling for the scale and expense of the effort:
*2/13/2014, 7:00 p.m. *
*Georgia Power continues to experience widespread outages and damage to
power
Well, by exceedingly costly I wasn't referring to the scientific research
program. I was referring to the development program. You _really_ don't
want to do engineering in the absence of validated theory. Development is
costly enough with a validated theory. Indeed, *with* a validated theory
If one of these cold fusion companies comes out with an electrical
generator to power a home in the next few months, it won't be the blacks
being lynched by southerners.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
As of 7:46 the number of outages is finally
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:02:06 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Consider exclusivity. For the sake of argument - even if there are found to
be two possible proton reactions, and one reaction is supposed to be
different from the known solar reaction, but the outcome is the same
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary.
***WHY the f**k not? Whoever dumps money into the prize would get their
press exposure 20X over, and whomever wins the prize would have dumped more
than 3-4X into it than they won? Do you understand what the XPrize level
of exposure brings to LENR?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 8:15 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
If one of these cold fusion companies comes out with an electrical generator
to power a home in the next few months, it won't be the blacks being lynched
by southerners.
What an odd thing to say.
I wrote:
It makes you realize why electricity is so expensive, and how much better
small cold fusion generators would be. Imagine the cost of bringing 3,000
utility crews from places like Ohio and Texas.
Years ago when I made this point, someone responded by saying:
What if the generators
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, by exceedingly costly I wasn't referring to the scientific research
program. I was referring to the development program. You _really_ don't
want to do engineering in the absence of validated theory.
Why not? Most technology was developed without
Kevin O'Malley kevmol...@gmail.com wrote:
I am just not convinced a Prize is necessary.
***WHY the f**k not? Whoever dumps money into the prize would get their
press exposure 20X over, and whomever wins the prize would have dumped more
than 3-4X into it than they won? Do you understand
In reply to Axil Axil's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 12:54:11 -0500:
Hi,
[snip]
In a series of independent secondary reactions, excess protons within the
nuclei of this collection of multiple fission reaction products would then
be converted to neutrons through electron capture after the primary
With fusion/fission in mind and its need for neutrons, it might make things
go smother in the reaction if the nickel's isotope neutron profile was
increased say to Ni62 or Ni64. That will supply 34 or 36 extra neutrons to
form light elements more readily.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:04 PM,
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
There is one complication that does not fall out of these various single
track theories of LENR fusion. That complication is the Fission/Fusion
reaction. What causes many protons to fuse with a high Z element like
nickel?
Axil—Bob Cook Here—
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I say in LENR that the double proton(spin 0) fusion happens then after this
fusion occurs an electron (spin -1/2) capture comes next (reverse beta decay)
the spin of 1/2 is removed by an electron
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
When a gamma reaction is known to happen with the same reactant, how can
that reaction be excluded from happening, in a new scenario when both
reactions are given enough energy to overcome the fusion threshold?
Especially if one (the desired
Yes, 1/2 and the electron neutrino has that same spin.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Bob Cook frobertc...@hotmail.com wrote:
Axil--Bob Cook Here--
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I say in LENR that the double proton(spin 0) fusion happens then
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 9:32 AM, Bob Higgins rj.bob.higg...@gmail.comwrote:
It is the difference in the two loads that must be supplied by sources
such as coal, oil, and gas because nuclear can supply the constant need
portion of the power.
I get the impression that the nuclear plants are as
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Alain Sepeda alain.sep...@gmail.comwrote:
Just a naive question... if no gamma nor neutrons is produced at noticeable
quantity, does it mean that most energy is transmitted by some charged
particles, that don't annihilate ?
This is not a naive question. It's
Theory has to account for the DGT ash assay released in ICCF-17.
http://cdn.coldfusionnow.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/2012-08-13-ICCF-17__Paper_DGTGx.pdf
See Table 3.
We learned from the MIT lecture that the coupling between the nuclear
reaction site and the gamma/energy receiver must be
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 6:39 PM, H Veeder hveeder...@gmail.com wrote:
If so, if it were possible to switch the barrier off, that would be like
opening a floodgate, so to speak. Fusion is likely to follow but it would
not be a necessity for the release of energy.
It seems to me that in order
The energy for the switch comes from infrared heat concentrated by 20
orders of magnitude and positive feed back of nuclear energy from the
nuclear reaction.
The magnitude of the magnetic field that does the screening is between 10^5
and10^12 tesla.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:19 PM, Eric Walker
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
The p+e+p is the only form that can also explain tritium production.
There are other possible explanations for tritium -- my own favorite lead
is that it arises when there is lithium. It is true that some LENR
Ed --Bob Here-
I have assumed spin--angular momentum--is conserved. Are you saying forget
about that conventional thinking--that angular momentum is not
conserved in the lenr new nuclear process?
Bob
-Original Message-
From: Bob Cook
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 6:52 AM
To:
Prove me wrong. Tritium production only happens in the Pd/D system and not
in a Ni/H system.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:23 PM, Eric Walker eric.wal...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
The p+e+p is the only form that can also explain
Why? Do you think the rule of law is going to deal justice to those
responsible for suppressing cold fusion? Do you think blacks will be
targeted by lynch mobs because blacks suppressed cold fusion?
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:41 PM, Terry Blanton hohlr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014
Dave—Bob Cook Here--
The electron neutrino may have high energy and 1/2 spin for sure.
I think high energy electron neutrinos have be seen coming from the Sun.
Bob
From: David Roberson
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 7:20 AM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: a note from Dr.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:01 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
From the website: A person's interests and circumstances have no bearing
on the truth or falsity of the claim being made. While a person's interests
will provide them with motives to support certain claims, the claims
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:54 PM, Jed Rothwell jedrothw...@gmail.com wrote:
James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Well, by exceedingly costly I wasn't referring to the scientific
research program. I was referring to the development program. You
_really_ don't want to do engineering in the
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Prove me wrong. Tritium production only happens in the Pd/D system and not
in a Ni/H system.
I think this is obvious.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:32 PM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Why? Do you think the rule of law is going to deal justice to those
responsible for suppressing cold fusion? Do you think blacks will be
targeted by lynch mobs because blacks suppressed cold fusion?
I just think that it
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 7:29 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
Prove me wrong. Tritium production only happens in the Pd/D system and not
in a Ni/H system.
I don't disagree. This seems like a promising conclusion. I'm not aware
of any hard evidence one way or the other.
Eric
One big limitation of gamma decay is for nuclear states of zero spin. This
is the usual case in LENR. A state of zero spin cannot transition to
another state of zero spin by emitting a photon. As discussed in chapter
this violates conservation of angular momentum.
But there are other ways that a
Axil, tritium has been made using H2O, which is close enough. Tritium has been
made in the absence of lithium.
Ed Storms
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 13, 2014, at 5:49 PM, Axil Axil janap...@gmail.com wrote:
I have not heard of any reports of tritium being generated by the NiH
reactor. Is
Oh its strange to associate the south with lynching or is it strange to
associate the south with a particular potential to recognize how much
damage has been done by suppression of cold fusion's potential for home
generators now that they've experienced catastrophic cold cutting the
lifeblood of
Close only counts in horse shoes. There is always a small amount of
deuterium in water. That tritium could be coming from contamination.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Edmund Storms stor...@ix.netcom.comwrote:
Axil, tritium has been made using H2O, which is close enough. Tritium has
been
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conversion
*Internal conversion* is a radioactive
decayhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioactive_decayprocess where an
excited
nucleus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_nucleus interacts
electromagnetically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism with
Yes.
- Reply message -
From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
Date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:51 PM
Oh its strange to associate the south with lynching or is it strange to
associate the south with a particular potential to
In reply to Jones Beene's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 19:00:00 -0800:
Hi Jones,
[snip]
-Original Message-
From: mix...@bigpond.com
When a gamma reaction is known to happen with the same reactant, how can
that reaction be excluded from happening, in a new scenario when both
reactions
No.
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 10:23 PM, hohlr...@gmail.com hohlr...@gmail.comwrote:
Yes.
- Reply message -
From: James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com
To: vortex-l vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: [Vo]:Atlanta is in a tizzy
Date: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 10:51 PM
Oh its strange to associate the
Bob wrote:
| Axil I believe electrons have a spin of +1/2, not –1/2. The outgoing
neutrino would have to have
| a –1/2 spin—maybe an electron anti neutrino or whatever its called—a
positron neutrino.
... Sorry for barging into this convo here, but I thought it would be useful to
Of course I understand what the Xprize can accomplish, I was there at the
beginning pitching it in St Louis.
But if any of the entities talking about products introduces one that works,
what prize do you suggest be funded?
Ransom
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 13, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Kevin
Randy, think about it like this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEYcGPF00l0
The companies that are threatening to, any day now (really -- just another
year -- trust us -- don't introduce an X-Prize for cold fusion because it
is moot or really soon will be) start selling a commercial cold
In reply to Bob Cook's message of Thu, 13 Feb 2014 18:59:06 -0800:
Hi,
[snip]
Axil I believe electrons have a spin of +1/2, not 1/2. The outgoing
neutrino would have to have a 1/2 spinmaybe an electron anti neutrino or
whatever its calleda positron neutrino. Bob
AFAIK The spin quantum
James Bowery and other vortex members,
Today I learned about the the work of Bernard Burchell.
He argues for a velocity dependent version of coulomb's law*
In his model the coloumb force between two like charges increases when the
charges are moving together and decreases when they are moving
On Thu, Feb 13, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Jones Beene jone...@pacbell.net wrote:
BTW - take an electron and proton at rest, that system has a mass of 0.511
+ 938.272 = 938.8 MeV/c^2. That is the total mass available to that system.
It cannot increase above that level unless substantial energy comes
(Seriously, that's one of my favorite shorts of all time. The actor is a
comedic genius as well as the directing, editing and writing being
excellent.)
On Fri, Feb 14, 2014 at 12:02 AM, James Bowery jabow...@gmail.com wrote:
Randy, think about it like this video:
about tritium, and NiH, in your vision,
does this mean some
d+e+p, or d+e+d happen like p+e+p depending on the available reactant (and
I imagine the geometric structure of the fields around).
the fact that d and p have different mass, make the reaction p+e+d very
different from p+e+p or d+e+d,
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